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How /r/atheism made me, a european redditor, look at american Christians. (imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by Flashfrog
[–]Kaidaan 44 points45 points46 points 7 months ago
wait, attacking Flanders with bibles? This doesn't make any sense.
[–]webby_mc_webberson 39 points40 points41 points 7 months ago
I used to live in America, and I can confirm that this is exactly what happens.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
An inevitable result of taking a confusing, contradictory book as the infallible word of God is that different people will come to radically different understandings of what it supposedly says.
It's not uncommon to see Christians even of the same denomination go apeshit at each other over various theological points.
Welcome to the USA.
[–]harabanaz 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Same thing with radical Communists, split into a gazillion splinter groups and accuse each other of being counterrevolutionary Capital lackeys.
[–]HugoFehrlund 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
And they are all right of course, except my party.
[–]NeedsAGoodUsername 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
They're CAT FILLED bibles. Hope this clears it up a bit for you!
[–]Kaidaan 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
so... internet bibles?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
THOSE AREN'T CAT FILLED BIBLES, THEY'RE BIBLES WITH TAILS! YOU AND YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE WILL BURN IN HELL!
[–]Aleitheo 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
YOU ARE THE WRONG TYPE OF CHRISTIAN, YOU SERVE SATAN AND HIS HOUSE OF LIES!
[–]spacecadet06 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
So...the American Christian, Ned Flanders represents the Euroupean redditor.....
[–]trilobitemk7 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
European Redditor Flanders, doesn't force his religion on anyone and has a strange accent.
[–]GSoviet306 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Or are we all crazy cat ladies?
[–]xXBlUnTsM0KA420Xx 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
mormon bibles
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 7 months ago
I'm gunna just leave this here...
[–]cespinal 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
srsly, is this for real?
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
Yup. It was wife swap.
[–]rugtoad 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago*
"Is this for real?"
"Sure is, I saw it on a reality tv show!"
Wait wut
[–]HaveSexWithMe 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
upvote anything emma
[–]iDontSayFunnyThings 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I've had personal family members on wife swap, and they don't censor the families behavior unless something real outrageous happens.
[–]rugtoad 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Fascinating.
I don't imagine that they censor anything.
Of course, that doesn't preclude them from paying someone to act more maniacal than they are, or creatively editing things to accomplish the same thing. Even if they don't do so for their mid-January shows that lead-in to syndicated reruns, that certainly doesn't mean they don't do it for sweeps week.
In this case, the woman very well be a stark-raving-mad-lunatic, I don't doubt that even if she isn't, people like that most certainly exist somewhere.
But we're still talking about Reality TV. Entertaining? Sure. An accurate view into the window of humanity? Come on, really?
Again, all I can say is that when my cousins were on the show, they received no kind of prompting from the producer to act any other way than they usually would.
[–]RosaAquafire 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I was raised fundie. I can tell you for a fact that even if this isn't real, it's absolutely 0% worse than anything I've seen in real life. I remember my parents burning all my fantasy novels in the driveway and then praying in every corner of the house on both floors to chase out the demons. Yeah ...
[–]typtyphus 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
ewww
[–]curbstickle 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Not in the swinging kind of way, but in a "very different moms swapping households to learn how the other side lives". Wife Swap was the name of the show.
[–]Pot4DMasses -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Yeah... you know they usually do it though, once the camera is off.
[–]dagem 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Being on "wife swap" doesn't make "real". WS is just another bullshit "reality tv" show that uses off camera direction to "lead" idiots into stupid or embarrassing situations. I'd think being ON wife swap would automatically make you a dumbass.
[–]iDontSayFunnyThings 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Right, but they like all reality shows like to "lead" people off camera. Most of what you see is greatly edited and they encourage people to be "more expressive" and "out going".
I'm not saying this lady isn't a nutter, but I can't imagine ANYONE being able to live with someone like this 24/7.
[–]tannhauser -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
For real?
We'll not really, It's just American TV people. I figured most smart redditors would realize that before anything.
[–]tannhauser 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
They have their methods though. I worked in reality TV for a little bit in Australia. Really insane stuff. The directors have methods when it comes to setting up arguments. They are very good at making a stressful environment.
Money also talks.
Yet you have provided no examples. o-o
I din't realize we were debating? But honestly, you are going to debate the realism of reality TV?
[–]itsme_timd 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
It really is too bad that so many Christians get portrayed like this or like the comic in the OP's post. The extremists are a very small percentage. Most Christians want to live a normal life, got to bible study through the week, church on Sunday and pray every day. This lady is a wacko. She's crazy. Absolutely off her rocker. She does not represent the Christian majority anymore than those idiots at Westboro.
All Christians have a duty to share their faith and to bring others to God. But that can, and should, be done in a friendly and non-threatening way. I know many people don't like to be approached at all and will be very confrontational about it but I imagine atheists have extremists just like anyone else.
[–]PuppyPuppies 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
but I imagine atheists have extremists just like anyone else.
The difference between atheist extremists and Christian extremists is that extremist Christians picket funerals, bomb abortion clinics, perform lobotomies on gay people, defend priests who rape children and all in the name of God. Extremist atheists mostly just insult religion on the internet.
[–]Jakasaurus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Ever hear of a fellow named Joseph Stalin?
[–]PuppyPuppies 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago*
Joseph Stalin is an interesting case, and this can come down to opinion, but the reason I don't consider him an extremist atheist specifically is because what he did was not intended to further atheism for the sake of atheism. The reason he attempted to remove all traces of religion from his country is because he believed it would take away from his workforce. He was more of an extremist antitheist than an extremist atheist, but I can see why some might not be able to understand the difference between the two. What Stalin did was in the name of Communism, not atheism.
EDIT: This is the difference between labeling Hitler as an extremist anti-Semite and an extremist Christian, if that helps you understand my explanation at all.
[–]itsme_timd -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
And also Pol Pot, Mussolini.
I would not consider someone who chooses to insult religion on the internet an extremist.
[–]hillesheim1992 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
In my opinion, anyone who has to insult or belittle someone else, trying to bully them into changing their ways is an idiot. Nothing good ever comes from trying to force people into thinking like yourself, that goes for both christians and athiests
[–]PuppyPuppies 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Agreed. Using bullying tactics in order to convert/deconvert people only reflects poorly on the bully, not the bullied. That being said, I don't think every insult directed toward Christianity (or atheism, for that matter) is always what I would call "bullying." There's a difference between, "Oh, you believe in Jesus? What are you stupid? LOL!" and "I find priests who molest children morally unacceptable." But I admit, I'm being a bit pedantic here.
[–]hillesheim1992 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yes, but it does seem that many people on /r/atheism have the attitude that anyone who thinks differently is retarded.
We're not supposed to try and force others to believe as we do, I know that some take that approach. We are supposed to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with others, pray for them and allow God to work within that individual. No one should ever feel condemned, cornered, attacked or belittled by a Christian sharing the gospel with them.
Say that to the jehova's witnesses, HEYOOO! just kidding... sorry.
[–]Tildryn 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Pol Pot was a Buddhist.
[–]wahoo1066 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Implying that this represents a significant fraction of real Christianity betrays an ignorance of Christianity and the Church. WBC? Look them up-- they're one crazy family, the Phelpses. Certainly, arguments can be made that there is corruption and ignorance in the modern Christian church, as there is in any religion (or lack thereof). But please, keep your arguments intelligent and directed toward real Christianity instead of this false idea of Christianity perpetuated by r/atheism
I didn't imply that it represents a significant fraction of Christians, I specifically stated that it is extremist Christians who perform these behaviors. But please, read the comments before you try to respond them. The point isn't that the majority of Christians are extremists, or even bad people. The point is that itsme_timd compared Christian extremists with atheist extremists, which is a pretty poor comparison.
Also, saying the Westboro Baptist Church isn't "real" Christianity is just using the No True Scotsman fallacy, why don't you look that up?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Her passion is soooo hottxxx.
[–]blitz79 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
EVERYTHING WAS DORKSIDED!!!!
[–]unknownpoltroon 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
This is totally wrong. Bibles in the US do not have tails.
[–]an_imperfect_lady 22 points23 points24 points 7 months ago
Those are bookmarks, so they can find the one verse they depend on while ignoring most of the others.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago*
If Bibles evolved from the Torah, why are there still Bibles with tails?
[–]carrot72 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Aliens.
[–]mtheoryx -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 months ago
Relevant
[–]spherexenon 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Nonsense goes in, faith comes out...You can't explain that
[–]TheLateApexLine 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Heh!
[–]andropogon09 56 points57 points58 points 7 months ago
Scumbag Europe: Sends all its religious zealots to the Americas. Then abandons religious belief while complaining about Christian loonies in the US.
[–]Stemp 16 points17 points18 points 7 months ago
I'm sorry but the constitution of the USA is not based on religious zealot's ideas but mainly on the Enlightenment ! It's not our fault if you forgot the legacy of Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (among many others) :p
[–]Glucksberg 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Well, that's true, but the U.S. has a strong cultural founding in Christianity and fundamentalist religion. The Pilgrims, the Great Awakening, the Second Great Awakening, Quakers, Mormons, Puritans, the Moral Majority. Lots of very religious stuff happened here.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
I wonder then, who's fault is it? Was it the various ministers for education over the centuries? Religious pressure groups? Just poor management altogether?
[–]eddieee 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago*
I wonder then, who's fault is it?
Not enough wars. You see, tens of millions dead, rape and destruction everywhere, holocaust etc. makes you start thinking.
Also, I also think different values. From what I saw in US e.g. in high school, being clever makes you geek in a wrong way. In my high school (in Europe) we had a math genius who was quite asocial, not really pretty/athletic but he was kind of a celebrity there and people valued him.
[–]stufff -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
Was it the various ministers for education over the centuries?
The federal government's involvement in education is fairly recent actually, and coincides nicely with the decline of quality in education. Hmmmm.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
So before the recent involvement in education from the federal government, Americans were as rational and understood the rationalism from the likes of Franklin who was from the intellectual Enlightenment? And then the government gets involved, and people revert back to religion after hundreds of years and suddenly become ignorant of science and reality?
[–]ncmentis 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Yup, back in the Jim Crow era we were paragons of rationality. Also we were all atheists. Also this is sarcasm.
[–]stufff 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'll go ahead and ignore your hyperbole here and respond by saying that prior to federal involvement in education the quality of schools (compared to other nations in that time period) was higher than it is now, particularly in higher education.
The influence of the federal government, particularly in the last couple decades, has shifted the focus away from actual learning and developing critical thinking skills to training to pass standardized tests that only test for the most basic levels of competence, to make sure the students have a high rate of passing and so they don't make the school lose the delicious federal funding it craves.
I remember having my AP calculus class interrupted every week in high school because we were required to train for the standardized test, so I had to learn about the fucking area of a triangle and how to find the value of x in 2 + x = 5.
So then what I said is correct, before the government got involved, most people were rational and America was on course for the next atheistic intellectual enlightenment.
[–]DisplacedLeprechaun 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The federal government simply picked up the slack from the states because they were all teaching different shit as though it were the same shit, and it was making everything ridiculously hard to unify around.
The decline in the quality of our education system actually coincided with the emergence of the idiots who think that taxes are the most evil thing on earth. Namely, Reagan Republicans.
[–]wayndom 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Actually, one of the biggest factors in the decline in public schools was the "local control" movement of the 1980's. "Local control of schools," was code for "no sex education." The religious right put up candidates for local school boards, then easily got them elected because no one bothers to vote for school board members and the fundies all vote on command from god.
The strategy worked so well that it encouraged fundies to climb the electoral ladder while they gradually expanded their influence on the Republican party using the same technique.
I was a news reporter in the 1980's (back when there was real news reporting -- sigh...) and covered a couple of school board meetings where things got extremely heated, with fundie board members throwing all sorts of outrageous accusations around. It's a damn shame there was never any wide coverage of this phenomenon in the press (I worked for a small-city news/talk radio station).
[–]DaveDodo007 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Yep, sorry about that.
[–]harabanaz 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Worked before. That's what was up with the crusades: sent all the violent nobles to swing their swords in foreign parts so that we could be rid of them for a while. :-)
[–]andropogon09 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
For example, compare the state of Catholicism today in South and Central America with that of "Mother Spain."
[–]Jenashy 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Hey, we didn't send them! They went on their own accord so they could worship in the way they believed to be correct. The Puritans decided to start their own community where they had complete control over religion without influence from Catholics.
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[–]GeneticAlgorithm 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
At least we 're past the point where christians tortured and killed other christians.
[–]ComradeRoba 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
/r/atheism is not an accurate representation of America or American Christians. You need to take all the hyperbole here with a heaping spoonful of salt.
[–]PabloBablo 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
The religious crazies are only very prevalent in certain parts of the country. I'm under the assumption that most active members of r/atheism are from these parts.
I have never had any real run ins with religious nuts and I've lived in the US my whole life.
[–]RunningBearMan 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Agreed. My best friend is a baptist (albeit a very open minded one), and some of the nicest people I have ever met are mormons I've gone to school with for years. I've never been attacked for my atheism/agnosticism/buddhism by any of these people. The best discussions I've ever had were with my friend and our friends, most of whom were baptists.
[–]sturg1dj 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
you say that...then you go somewhere where you are not expecting it and bam! smacked in the face.
[–]londontime 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I live in Kentucky and pretty much everyone is nuts. My PUBLIC school had mandatory "Bible class" every other wednesday. Of course you could opt out by appealing the principal with your parents, but it was a lengthy process and I did not know anyone that went through with it (even the very few non-christian people). I can see three baptist churches just by looking out my window.
Illinois checking in. Moderately nuts, mostly in rural areas though. Cities are fine.
[–]umanwizard 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
True, but religion is MUCH more prevalent in the U.S. than in the more developed parts of Europe. This is undeniable.
[–]ComradeRoba 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Not in every part of the country. I wish more people realised that there are many many regions in the united states that are very far removed from religious culture.
[–]dillona 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Which ones? I'd like to move there
Anywhere that isn't in the bible belt.
[–]AfroSamurai -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
You're talking out of your ass.
[–]elbruce 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I'm confused; on that show, Ned Flanders represents the main caricature of Christian fundamentalism...
[–]SecularMantis 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Not fundamentalism. He attends the same church as the Simpson family, making him an exceptionally devout Presbylutheranist.
he's not fundamenalist enough
[–]RunningBearMan 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
He's just devout.
[–]hankmcfee 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
He's anti gay marriage, anti Irish, anti-evolution, pro angels, pro judgement day, etc. He is ultraconservative, but caring and genuine, and doesn't (usually) throw his beliefs in your face. He's not fundamentalist, but, he's close.
[–]craiggers 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
He's a fundamentalist, just not an angry one.
"Asshole" isn't included in the definition of "fundamentalist," the two just often overlap.
Well let's be honest, who is "Pro-Irish"?
[–]zHellas 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
No, that's because of Flanderization.
[–]bmorenotless 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Every time I meet a Canadian I'm reminded of Ned Flanders.
[–]MacGuffinProductions 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
Accurate!
[–]jimmybeans44 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
pleaseeee don't think of all american christians like this! I'm pretty sure 95% of us aren't the crazy radicals that Reddit is against. I'm a christian and I believe in the big bang, evolution, i study astronomy, and i've read the elegant universe (believe it too)
As a European living in the US, I can assure you Christmas works the exact same way on both sides of the pond.
(Extreme Shopping Season)
[–]Auvit 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
http://i.imgur.com/ChZqJ.png
[–]ReignCityStarcraft 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
As a former European who moved to one of the most liberal parts of America, I never thought I'd see this happen. Then one day - it did. You're never safe here.
[–]Sysiphuslove 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
So do you now see American Christians as the cat lady, or Flanders?
Either one could work here...
[–]Rory_B_Bellows 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Fail. Ned should be the one flinging the bibles.
[–]purplemanjoe 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
As an American, I can tell you that it's only on rare occasions they have cats in them.
[–]anon_atheist 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Watch Jesus Camp, then you will really get a feel for what American Christians are. To those who say it doesn't represent all Christians, I'll just point out that evangelicals are the largest Christian denomination in the US (~30%).
[–]ENRICOs 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Good work, however, that's just an accurate depiction of the moderates.
[–]feral_troll 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
false ned flanders is a hardcore christians therefore making this amusing gif void
[–]TrollingMuffins 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This is how I, an american redditor, feel when i look at american christians.
[–]catladyintraining 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
I, for one, am offended.
[–]Naejard 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
How /r/atheism made me, a canadian redditor, look at american a(nti)theists.
[–]Syujinkou 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Harper.
[–]Naejard 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Harper's not that much of a religious nutjob, though. He's just a conservative nutjob.
[–]ebz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Why do you guys judge Christianity based on stupid idiots who selfishly use religion to advance their own agendas, like many Republicans? Shouldn't you judge Christianity based on its founder Jesus? Buddhism gets judged based on its teachings, philosophies, and founder Gautama Buddha. But Christianity is judged by Michelle Bachman, priests who rape little boys, the crusades, and scared parents who force RELIGION down their children's throats. It's this that I have a problem with r/atheism. And I know this is gonna get downloaded like shit, but I would really like thoughts on this. I know that not all of you are this naive, but it seems like almost every post in here rips on stupid Christians instead of Jesus and what he taught. There are genuine Christians out there who follow Jesus selflessly, there are selfish bastards, and there is Jesus. But it's always the selfish bastards that get the limelight.
What do you think? Am I wrongly accusing? I was a little upset writing this since the Christianity I know and the community I have of other Christians is so far removed from the religion you guys seem to encounter. So it's difficult seeing SO many posts that are wrongly representing my beliefs and the beliefs of many others. If you want to rip Christianity apart, please rip apart Jesus and his teachings, not Rick Perry. Thoughts? Opposition?
[–]nondescriptuser 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Shouldn't you judge Christianity based on its founder Jesus?
Sorry im more concerned with what the religion actually does than what it hypothetically should do
if buddhism was an entrenched power structure bent on social control and manipulation (and in some places of the world, it actually is turned to pretty awful purposes, so yeah fuck buddhism) i would probably throw more vitriol at it. but for now, christianity is a bigger problem
[–]Otend 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Anyone who considers eternal punishment ever justifiable is probably going to be judged poorly by me. Anyone who says that he himself will send us into that for doing things that he doesn't like is someone I consider a terrible person.
[–]ebz 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
He doesn't say that he'll send us there for doing things. He says EVERYONE is going there, for everyone has sinned. That's the beauty of grace. God is holy and cannot dwell with sin, so he therefore cannot allow anyone to be with him since we are all sinful. But that's the beauty of the cross and grace -- Jesus came to make a bridge for us into eternal life and love, and we didn't do ANYTHING to deserve it. It's so simple -- accept his sacrifice and you will be saved. God is love, and it's a love that is completely selfless and all-encompassing. There is nothing we can do to earn more or less, God simply loves us because he loves us because he loves because he loves us. It's his love that made him take the form of a lowly human, be ridiculed, oppressed, beaten, and die a criminal's death. He did it all so we could be with him. It's so amazingly simple and counter intuitive to our thinking; why would a God so powerful want to be die for me? Love. I don't know, I just think it's the most beautiful story of all time.
[–]Otend 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago*
John 15:6 destroys the first point.
Also, expecting people to believe and threatening them for not doing so is, again, terrible. It is not a selfless love when the person basically says, "if you don't believe in me, despite there being no real reason to take my word over the word of the hundreds (if not thousands) of other prophets and messiahs, you get to burn!" It's not grace when someone holds a knife to your throat and then lets go if you do whatever they say.
[–]TBBH_Bear 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Living in the EU, I had some god bothers here this morning that were quite crazy.
[–]Warfare_by_Words 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Got chased down a street in Glasgow because I "associated with the devil" we do have religious nut jobs, but they are few and far between.
[–]Diltyrr 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Swiss here, saw one once, they do exist x)
[–]jarjarbinks92 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The worst part is that they are the most consistent voters as well...
[–]Funkafize 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yep. Pretty much sums it up.
[–]brad_the_rad 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
it's true, they are magnets for crazy cat ladies.
[–]nexusheli 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Nailed it.
You've pretty much got it right.
[–]datTrooper 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Thank you for saying american Christians!
[–]mechanicalspirits 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
So many people wouldn't be angry at Christians if they didn't impose their beliefs on the world using it as political propaganda, and try to pressure everyone to convert instead of respecting other peoples' beliefs.
[–]listentolizzie 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
They're not all like that. Some are just more prevalent than others.
[–]Atrain009 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The worst part is, that's not an inaccurate portrayal of the Bible Belt.
[–]iknowyourdad 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
That's pretty much it... if this woman was real I would recomend she try to join the band Stryper.
[–]loneflanger 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The CatBibles™ made me realize that I think I've yet to see Christians co-opt cat memes like they do with other things related to pop-culture.
[–]rugtoad 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
As an American Atheist, this is kinda how I feel.
[–]Porkfish 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Wait...are you saying American Christians are constantly dodging attacks by crazy people or that American Christians are the crazy people doing the attacking?
Your choice of Ned Flanders has made this very confusing for me.
Or are you saying that American Christianity is torn apart by sectarian conflict? I'm so confused...
[–]aepoz 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Bible cats?
[–]DeathAngelNick 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm more distracted by the lady throwing bible shaped cats at Ned Flanders to pay the slightest attention to these highly important life pondering comments.
[–]knifebucket 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
To be fair, there are crazies of all persuasions. Plenty of normal sane people too.
[–]disturbing_halfwit 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Those two are both christians, so I guess it's accurate because you're representing both sides. I'm definitely atheist by the way, but just thought I'd mention.
[–]Finaltidus 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
not too far off
[–]PanFlute 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
So, are you the cat lady or Flanders? Neither is the epitome of rationality.
[–]colinsteadman 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I see your point. But coming in here has improved my view of Americans no end.
[–]euxneks 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Wait, are you the cat lady or flanders? Either option doesn't put you in a good light.. :\
[–]brochill34 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I love how it's Ned Flanders of all people.
[–]brevityis 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Don't. We're surrounded by christians much of the time in the US, most of which goes unremarked-upon, but it's the crazy ones that make for more interesting stories. Just like how you're not going to talk about the guy at the party who just stood by the wall and talked, but you're going to talk about the guy who passed out in the flowerbed.
As an American, I have to say, that looks about right...
[–]Eorily 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Very accurate.
[–]Qweef 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
So Christians have bibles...correction.. bibles with cats in them are thrown at Christians on reddit? That's pretty accurate actually.
[–]Bilbo_Fraggins 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
To be fair, only about 1/2 of them are like that. Unfortunately, that still turns out to be about 30-40% of our society made up of crazy fundies.
[–]ostrofci 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
This is mainly in the south of the US. Come to the north my european redditor friendies we are all athiests up here. Not only that but we aren't crazy lol
[–]GregLoire 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm so confused. Is this a critique of /r/atheism? Does Flanders represent Christians, and does the crazy cat lady represent /r/atheism, hurling relentless attacks at the poor blindsided Christian?
Or does the crazy cat lady represent Christians, just being crazy and throwing random stuff everywhere? In this case, what does Flanders represent? Anything? Something other than Christians?
All I really got from this image is that someone is crazy, but I can't figure out who it's supposed to be.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I thnk the lady represents the american cristians as percieved by a european redditor through /r/atheism.
There is no immediate judgement in this statement: OP is just saying that /r/atheism gives him the feeling that american cristians are crazy. He doesn't say whether he believes this or not.
[–]Flashfrog[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
At least someone gets it. Wish I could give you a medal.
I think you just described /r/atheism
[–]Batrok 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
American Christians are much like the super devout from any religion - very scary. Anyone who accepts something they're told with that much fever, scares the living shit out of me. They don't think, and therefore are capable of anything.
[–]RunningBearMan 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Religious fanatics from any nation - very scary. Anyone who accepts something they're told with that much fever, scares the living shit out of me. They don't think, and therefore are capable of anything.
You had a typo. I think you tried to type religious fanatics, and accidentally made a huge generalization.
[–]Batrok 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Nope, that's your inference. Almost ALL religious people scare me. They beleive in ghosts and monsters. They think they keep on living after they die (some made-up nonsense about an afterlife). It's all crazy and scares me.
When I decided to lose faith in religion is when I discovered faith in man.
[–]buckygrad 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
If your only opinion of American Christians comes from reddit, you have no choice but to think that way. "Boring" Christians (which is by far the most typical type here) don't make it to the front page.
[–]LoyuR 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It's ironic because Ned flanders is the god loving christian not the crazy cat lady.
[–]paulsagan4pres -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
OMG I DIDNT KNOW EUROPEAN REDDITORS THOUGHT AMERICANS WERE IGNORANT. THIS IS SUCH AN ORIGINAL POST
[–]wahoo1066 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Repeat after me:
(Christians): "I solemnly swear that no matter how heated the discussion or how many cat-Bibles are being thrown, I will find a way to argue without generalizing atheists as hellbound, amoral people or grouping them with Joseph Stalin, so help me God."
(Atheists): "I solemnly swear that no matter how heated the discussion or whatever comments Glenn Beck recently made, I will find a way to argue without generalizing Christians as ignorant, creationist bigots, and without grouping them in with the Westboro Baptist Church or the crazies who bomb abortion clinics, so help me not-God."
[–]wildtabeast -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
That is how r/atheism me me, an american atheist, look at atheists. This sub reddit is just as bad, if not worse, than the christians it hates.
[–]policeAcademy3 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
Of course Europe is being overrun with muslims now
[–]carl_serung 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yeah, thanks for Afghanistan & Iraq btw. That really helped.
[–]EmpireAmerica -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago*
Fuck you! American christians are the best christians. They know jesus christ better than anyone. By the way, we saved ur asses in world war 2 so be greatful u douchebag!
[–]Holyfritolebatman 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I hope you are trolling
His username is EmpireAmerica.
Yeah, it does seem like a novelty account.
[–]BobbyDEllis -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 months ago
They're not all like this. Just like not all atheists are assholes, despite what /r/atheism looks like to a religious person like me.
[–]mr_majorly -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
New meaning to the phrase bible thumper. I like it.
[–]defiantapple -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
You've got it right.
[–]omizzle4shizzle -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
you capitalize the Christians but not American....
could it be? A Euro, who's first language isn't English?
Could it be, a passive aggressive redditor? It's just awkward capitalization. If you understand its essential purpose, then why do one and not the other?
Because you may not fully understand the grammatical rules of English?
[–]omizzle4shizzle 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Proper noun = capitalization. Pretty straight forward and a lesson learned by the vast majority by the age of 10. I don't know why you're keeping this thing going. It was just a trivial observation not meant to offend.
Didn't see any offensive remarks, just wanted to respond with a possible answer.
the essential purpose of capitalization could be different in other languages...
[–]teh_trolling_stones -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Yup bullseye
[–]drchaos2000 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
i am still undecided if all the american atheists here are just douchebags that cry a lot ... or if the usa has really become a state like iran or afghanistan.
here in germany i have never met any annoying theists (well at least not annoying about their beliefs) and i know of noone that ever encountered anything bad cause they are an atheist.
I've been called an agent of Satan a few times, does that count?
Seriously, though, what you view as annoying has a terrible tendency here to be seen as rather mainstream.
[–]SweetMoses321 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Appears to be a pretty accurate portrayal
[–]fascistgases -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
This guy is not your average stereotypical redditor.
[–]scott01019 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
It's sad too, because that's the exception not the norm. I'm positive that people are just as crazy in Europe as America, because I read about things that are just as bad over there if not worse.
[–]PoeticalArt -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 months ago
Um... yeah pretty much. Look up the Westboro Baptist Church to TRULY understand
[–]Aletheia42 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Fallacy of composition. I'm glad so many atheists pride themselves in being superior to Christians in their logic. For example, Joseph Stalin was an atheist. You are an atheist. Joseph Stalin killed millions of people. Since you share religious background, you support the senseless killing of millions.
[–]PoeticalArt 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm in no way saying that EVERY Christian is illogical nor am I saying that every atheist is logical. All I'm saying here is that there really are some rather extreme issues coming from religion in the US.
[–]Aletheia42 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'd agree that there are some very radical sects. And I hate what they stand for every bit as much as you do. But first, this is a post about how someone has grown to view American Christianity as a whole and you comment with an example of something. It can be safely assumed that this example is supposed to be about American Christianity as a whole, since that is what the original post was about. But in reality, westboro baptist is in no way representative of American Christianity any more than suicide bombers are representative of all Muslims. It is a small, radical sect. Second, it is an extremely common view on reddit that atheists are logical and Christians are not. This was just an example of an illogical atheist argument that disproves that view. Sorry if it was the example that I decided to actually point out a logical fallacy in, but the point stands that it is a logical fallacy.
I won't argue that point but the point I was making was simply that this is the heart of WHY anyone would view Christianity in America as such.
Correlation does not imply a causal link.
[–]Aletheia42 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's the exact point that I'm trying to make. Just because Westboro Baptist exists, that doesn't mean every single Christian is like that. Just like even though Joseph Stalin was a real person, that doesn't mean that every atheist is like him. It's exactly what fallacy of composition means.
I was agreeing with you, by the way.
Ah. I feel kind of stupid now. Haha, thank you. Sorry, I've just gotten used to hostile remarks around here.
No problem. I get the same feeling.
So how do you feel about gay marriage? Remember that answering "against" means you are a horrible person.
As far as what the government does about it, legalizing it or no, I really don't care. I'm all for legalization, because this is not a Christian nation. As far as in the church, I will say I am against it. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals, it doesn't mean I'm homophobic, none of that. I have some very close friends who are homosexual and I love them every bit as much as I love my straight friends.
But there's no need to love or hate homosexuals. On this topic, all atheists I know look at it this Way; homosexuality doesn't ONLY exist in humans. Hell, penguins will take an egg that's been abandoned and Foster it until it hatches, then raise the baby. And for all intents and purposes, Christianity is the only religion that outright speaks against it in any way, even though homosexuality has existed longer than Christianity itself has.
I've got to point out as an atheist, I don't care if it's natural or not. It is an individual's right to choose who or what they decide to have sex/spend their life with.
"Christianity is the only religion that outright speaks against it in any way"? What about Judaism? Islam? Heck, Scientology speaks out against homosexuality in a much, much stronger way than Christians. Also, the thing about penguins taking babies is completely non sequitur. But since you brought it up, I plan on adopting and many Christians see adoption as part of a Christian's duty. And there IS need to love homosexuals. Just like there's need to love, I don't know, people who have hair. Or people who are bald. I love people because they are people. This doesn't change because of their sexual tendencies, political leanings, or religious beliefs. And also, the whole "homosexuality has existed longer than Christianity" thing is an appeal to antiquity. It has absolutely no relevance.
No I simply mean that you don't hear about Islamic extremists going to gay funerals and harassing their family. And HOMOSEXUAL penguins that spend their whole life together adopt an egg. But same as racism, people look at there being straight and gay. Not just people.
The church of Scientology says that homosexuality is a severe mental illness. That's not an extreme view? And you don't hear about it because the news eats up anything that "Christians" (as they label them. I call them heretics) do wrong. Or because you aren't listening. Just a few days ago, some Muslim men were handing out pamphlets encouraging people to give homosexuals the death penalty. That's not an extreme view? I'm not saying Islam is bad, but there are extremists there too. If you had added in that the penguins who raise children are gay, it would be somewhat relevant. And Christianity teaches to see everyone as merely people instead of judging them based on their sexual preferences or their race. Just because some people are too ignorant of the overall religion to understand this does not make the religion as a whole a bad thing.
[–]tanmccuin 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I think many would argue that Christianity itself is an appeal to antiquity.
[–]Aletheia42 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
No? I don't believe the Bible because of its age. I believe it because I have seen it to be true, both in logical arguments (proof from prophecy) and through personal revelation.
[–]Otend -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
And now you're just being a dick.
These are the arguments used against me constantly. How about we stop using them on both sides?
[–]Otend 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Fair enough.
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