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Dwight puts and end to dead memes (i.imgur.com)

submitted ago by EverybodyWantsSomeE

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[–]pretzelzetzel 3 points4 points ago

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A meme is a living idea. It's been called that by the person who invented the word, as well as by one of the most prominent, well known and well respected Philosophers of mind of the modern era. In every real sense apart from the mundane requirements for material sustenance, a meme is a living thing. They can, indeed, die.

[–]threetoast 2 points3 points ago

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Calling it "a living idea" implies that there are ideas that aren't alive. All ideas are memes. Most people think only things like Advice Dog or >greentext are memes.

[–]Naejard 2 points3 points ago

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It doesn't necessarily imply that there are ideas that aren't alive; it could be a pleonasm. Much like saying "a massless photon" does not imply that some photons have a mass, and although the adjective is superfluous, it can be rhetorically useful.

[–]threetoast 1 point2 points ago

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You're mostly right, however pretzelzetzel's not saying something like "a massless photon". It's more like he's saying "a photon is a massless particle". Of course, for this to be a perfect analogy, it'd have to be in a universe where all particles are photons.

[–]Naejard 1 point2 points ago

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As you very well pointed out, my analogy wasn't very well constructed (hence the "much like"). Nonetheless, I stand by my affirmation that ascribing the property "living" to idea does not necessarily imply that there exist non-living ideas, although - as I stated - the adjective is wholly superfluous.

From a different approach - one of the reasons I find a perfect analogy hard to find - I would tend to say that if memes can die, then it seems plausible to posit that there can exist non-living ideas; these ideas would be those that do not exist in any single human/conscience being's memory/mind at this moment.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I would argue that unliving ideas are those that exist in potentia. Potential ideas are ideas yet thought, and as such aren't alive.

[–]EverybodyWantsSomeE[S] 1 point2 points ago

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...you just put me down with philosophy, I didn't even know that was possible.

[–]pretzelzetzel 0 points1 point ago

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I wasn't puttin' you down, bro. Just sayin'.

[–]Naejard 1 point2 points ago

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Let me guess: Dawkins & Dennett?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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came here to say this. well done sir or madam

[–]mrupyours13 0 points1 point ago

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So is Dwight

[–]legendaris 0 points1 point ago

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How do you kill that which has no life?

[–]Dassembrae 0 points1 point ago

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That is not dead that can eternal lie...

[–]Ahrounmoon 0 points1 point ago

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http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_dangerous_memes.html

[–]liebchan -1 points0 points ago

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More Dwight memes plz.

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