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Shackles of religion (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by PerplexD
[–]rodalage 55 points56 points57 points 7 months ago
Aerosmith is the key?
[–]jaycee7 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
I was thinking "anarchy."
[–]sunbathingelbow 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
No, adultery is the key!
[–]darklancer4 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
atheism is the scarlet letter!!
[–]dkz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
same here. It's a great piece though
[–]Slakter 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
"No gods, no masters."
[–]Kotton 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
?
[–]Crewiz 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Why would someone downvote instead of explain? Dick.
''No gods, no masters'' Because that's what anarchy is more or less, a stateless society in which noone has more authority over you than you have over them (I think that's right, correct me if i'm wrong)
[–]Kotton 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago*
Well I supposed it could be interpreted in that way, but the most common use for the term is to describe the political view of being absent of government. Thanks for the explanation.
[–]shoffing 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Same
[–]ghost_of_kim_jong_il 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Backstage we're having the time Of our lives until somebody say Forgive me if I seem out of line Then she whipped out her gun And tried to blow me away
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady
So never judge a book by it's cover Or who you're going to love by your lover Love put me wise to her love in disguise She had the body of a venus Lord imagine my surprise
Baby let me follow you down Let me take a peek dear Baby let me follow you down Do me, do me, do me all night Baby let me follow you down Turn the other cheek dear Baby let me follow you down Do me, do me, do me, do me
(Guitar solo)
Ooh what a funky lady She like it, like it, like it, like that, Ooh he was a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady (That, that) Dude looks like a lady
Dude, dude, dude, dude looks like a lady Dude, dude, dude, dude looks like a lady Dude, dude, dude, dude looks like a lady Dude, dude, dude, dude looks like a lady
(That that) ya ya ya yya ya yya ya chit chit yaow
(That, that) (That, that) [Repeat and fade]
[–]DragonBonecrusher 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Came here to post this, you beat me to it!
[–]PirateVikingNinja 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Came here to post exactly that. You ser, deserve infinite karma.
[–]alexvenegas 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Damnit, you beat me to it.
[–]Eldias 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
I feel like if the "atheism is key" imagery were missing and instead had maybe just a pair of wings on the brain, that this would have been a much more meaningful image. The viewer should be allowed to make the clear connection of having your mind tied down by religion without having it force-fuck their eyes.
[–]Smooth__Criminal 43 points44 points45 points 7 months ago
No. Atheism is by no means the key to a free mind. How many atheists make the rest of us look just as extremist as the other paths of belief? The only key to a free mind is the desire to be open with a willingness to be proven wrong.
[–]RedAnarchist 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
And how many great minds have had no problem reconciling their religious beliefs with their tremendous work that contributed so greatly to the human race.
[–]BankerWhoLeavesAt420 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
atheism is not a path of belief.
[–]KingN 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I didn't take the A as standing for Atheism, I took it to mean anarchy
[–]elmstfreddie 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
/r/atheism talks about anarchy all the time!
[–]Hypersapien 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Freeing your mind does, however, generally lead to atheism.
[–]Smooth__Criminal 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
You could argue that. I'm responding to the image.
[–]MidEastBeast777 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I wish i could upvote you more.
[–]Dolgthvari 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Aerosmith will set you free.
[–]MrMudd88 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Like it's that simple. You just solved all the worlds problems right here....not.
[–]RandomExcess 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
flying brains?
[–]cgass63 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
a free mind does not equate to atheism...
[–]Thauron2 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
The shackles of reposts.
[–]mrdifficult1 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Well played.
[–]PerplexD[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 months ago
"redditor for 10 hours"
[–]Thauron2 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Point is? you could be a redditor since the sites creation its still a fucking repost.
[–]PerplexD[S] -9 points-8 points-7 points 7 months ago
Means I don't give two shits about what you have to say about reposts.
[–]uofc2015 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Note to self...Repost this image for the 100th time in about a month for an easy load of karma...
[–]BC8786 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Judaism is not the best example of a religion holding down the potentials of the human mind.
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[–]BC8786 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
"Jewish wisdom" is basically it's own category of life advice that, outside of the God-talk in particular points, has some very valuable insights that are directly applicable to both the believer and the athiest. Basically, my point is that judaism has not really shackled the mind of many people, in fact in the jewish faith it is basically unforgivable to remain illiterate.
One pearl of wisdom from this stuff: "When you kill one person, you are killing the entire world." Basically meaning that if you kill one person, since the whole world is basically seen through the lens of only one person's perception at a time, you might as well be destroying the entire world, because you have for that one person, at least.
FYI: raised in jewish household, I do not accept judaism as my religion (nor any religion for that matter).
I hope this clears this up a little bit. Obviously if there are any jewish people out there denying scientific insight based on their faith, then I disagree with that and would accept that as a shackling of the mind due to judaism.
I absolutely hate absolutes.
[–]mechanicalhuman -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
That's cute, trying to make judaism not sound like a religion
[–]BC8786 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
actually...fuck it. I don't care. If you have a problem with pearls of wisdom emerging from religious people, then your mind is shackled, and I wish you the best of luck in life. A wise person learns from anyone they can.
[–]mechanicalhuman 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Good you shouldn't care. I love semi-religious people, I think they're more well rounded than most atheists. But that doesn't change the fact that you're trying to make judaism not be a religion.
[–]BC8786 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
i dont think you get at all what im saying
I'm ok with that.
[–]thegraymaninthmiddle 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Open mindedness? DOWNVOTE.
[–]JTown91 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I agree, religion is not the antithesis of wisdom. Religions are deeply rooted into our history and much of our knowledge and understanding of the modern world comes from these traditions. You cannot designate a one to one relationship between the concepts of religion and atheism and restriction and free thought.
Is it true that these traditions also hinder our ability to break the mold and think freely? Yes in many cases, but it is ignorant to have such a fixed view of religion as the end all cause of our society's weaknesses.
[–]redditopus -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
That first paragraph sounds like someone's drinking a little too deeply from the New-Agey Feel-Good bottle.
[–]JTown91 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I don't really know what that means. Do you have a legitimate criticism?
[–]redditopus -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 months ago
Do you really think you can divine knowledge of the modern world from books published in an era long before ours in a totally different context?
I suppose they may be useful for a window onto history in some cases - I seem to remember that the fireball over Sodom or Gomorrah was actually an asteroid that hit not far from the site connected with the legend, and that they recently discovered the crater - and for a window onto the psychology of many people of the time and onto the general psychology of the average 46-chromosomed idiot bumbling around, archetypes and common myth themes and such, but it is nonsense to say there is any topic on which it can speak that empirical observation and scientific investigation cannot. Even such things as consciousness and human emotion - I am in neuroscience and we are slowly deducing the facts behind these things.
Factual, real observations, with no deities inserted into areas of uncertainty (I will never comprehend the tendency of most other humans to insert an anthropomorphic deity into a hole of uncertainty. Do they not realize how unparsimonious and anthropocentric it is?), are not only accurate, they are so much cooler than the fevered attempts at hand-waving and ill ease at uncertainty that religion exhibits.
Ill respond to the part of your comment that I understand... Your point (correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be that no empirical observation or content can be extracted from holy texts or religion. In the majority of cases you are probably correct. The stories in religious traditions do not provide data for neuroscience or reliable statistics about the era from which they come. There are however lessons that have been woven into these traditions that shaped past societies and our modern world, which evolved out of these past cultures. In my opinion it is important to pay attention to the way in which these traditions shaped our society both for better and for worse.
I'm not saying that science is wrong, bad or incompatible with religion. My point is that you shouldn't disrespect people who choose to follow the teachings of religion, because it wont help your cause as an athiest or agnostic or whatever you believe in. You owe it to religious people to understand their point of view as much as they owe it to you to learn about astronomy, biology or other modern sciences. Religion is imperfect, but so is science, it is exact, but by no means is it the blueprint to a utopian society. At the end of the day, religion evokes the questions that science is unable to answer. In some respects the degree to which these traditions are set in stone can work in opposition to scientific progress, as the original post attempts to depict. But on the other hand, to throw away the hundreds of years of thought based on these traditions can also work in opposition to science, not in terms of data, but in terms of hypothesis and reason.
There are however lessons that have been woven into these traditions that shaped past societies and our modern world, which evolved out of these past cultures. In my opinion it is important to pay attention to the way in which these traditions shaped our society both for better and for worse.
Religious traditions are not the only sources of these lessons. In fact, the first source of these lessons - morality, I'm supposing? - is older than humanity itself is: family. A sense of ethics is evident in our primate cousins, and even in many of our non-primate cousins as well.
What questions do you believe science cannot answer? Moreover, what questions do you believe religion is required to answer, and what something that is not religion cannot answer? In what way do you think they somehow conquer science in terms of hypothesis and reason - I have not seen any attempt at reason or hypothesis coming out of religion that is not somehow formed on premises that are to some extent demonstrably false.
Regarding questions that some people might use religion to answer that some people may perceive as lying outside the scientific realm, such as questions of ethics, I find that they can be informed by scientific fact, non-religious principles such as utilitarianism (my ethics can best be described as more utilitarian than not, although they are not perfectly utilitarian), hedonism, and humanism, and a general sense of altruism. None of these things require religion, which may bring some people an ethical structure like this but brings with it the stupidity of belief in a deity that does not exist and in most cases demonstrably CANNOT exist (never mind the unparsimonious assertion of many that they think a deity who just happens to act exactly like humans do created the universe and somehow exists out there), the belief that events unexplainable by science can happen, and ethical atrocities such as homophobia, witch-burning, and the attempt to curtail the rights of half of the human race.
I cannot respect religion, in part because of these demonstrable falsehoods and the fact that one can get the good parts of it without the nasty bits and without the horrible herd mentality and other-kicking if one actually thinks critically.
The fact that there exists evidence of ethics in "our primate cousins..." is a bit vague to me and i don't understand your point. I'm talking about religious traditions that shaped our society not our individual natural instincts. There is a difference between how we function alone and how we work together (or don't) in a community. My point is that religion has played the role of this adhesive force that brings together people with higher moral objectives. It is easy to argue against this point, but I am referring to people of history who had no science to play this role and so instead came together based on a code of ethics (such as the 10 commandments) or under the bible. Granted, it is possible to misuse the teachings within these traditions (as it is possible to misuse science), but it is my opinion that the structure of religion served to unite cultures and preserve their knowledge more than it did disperse them (in the same way that science does today).
As far as questions science cannot answer, I was not clear. Its not that I believe that there are questions that science will never be able to answer, its that there are questions that science does not yet have an answer to. Ethics are an example of one of these questions, and rattling off a bunch of schools of ethics does no provide a concrete answer as to what is right and what is wrong. I guess a prerequisite for the validity of this argument is that I myself am person who believes that there is such thing as right and wrong, but regardless, this question is one that science is unable to answer today.
As far as a deity, I cannot answer this because I am not sure of my own beliefs on the matter. I am not one to force the belief of a deity on to others, but I believe that one should be able to believe in a God if falls in line with their religious beliefs. This is a difficult topic because as individuals with different perspectives and understandings of religion, it is possible (and indeed the case) that individuals have varying degrees as to what a deity would consist of. I do not however accept that anyone has demonstrated there is no God and if you have the proof of this you will most likely be a very famous scientist in presenting it.
I never said that religion conquers science in terms of hypothesis or reasoning. What I said was that throwing away hundreds of years of religious traditions would work in opposition to science. Religion itself is a hypothesis, and by testing hypotheses we are able to come to new questions. The very example of why so many people believe in religion is a good question which forms under the hypothesis that religion is in fact useful to humanity. To disregard all people who believe in religion (alot of people) is to be untrue to the scientific method which attempts to test hypotheses based on the what we initially observe or believe.
I'm sure I have not addressed all of the points you made, but i would like to conclude by mentioning that your idea of what it is to "think critically" is also not the same as everyone else. I would propose that it may in fact be possible to think critically using religious tradition as your inspiration as opposed to science because as i mentioned, neither religion nor science is perfect. In your reading and or response to this post please try to consider that the worst results of religion do not necessarily stem from the religion itself just as the worst uses of science do not stem from the scientific knowledge derived.
[–]BroBuzz 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Down voted because of repost.
[–]JoeUnseen 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Great graffic!
[–]VeryLargePenis 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
gotta get married then cheat on my wife
[–]Jrcrouch92 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
everytime i see one of these i think of andrew ryan
[–]dikfeld 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
More like the shackles of your mum!
[–]D2_Smurf 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Adultery sets you free?
[–]Aries37 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Subtle
[–]iloveericlyons 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
All hail the glorious "A", the symbol of our lack of belief.
[–]Nirel 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
This is the depiction of my view on religion and atheism. Thanks for posting!
[–]zachbarnett[] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
It's unlikely that one and the same brain would be shackled down by Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
[–]Brightt 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Technically, it's the same God.
[–]zachbarnett[] 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
The symbols represent the religions... not the God. And it's the religion that does the shackling, not the God.
[–]mcnaste 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
and that is why the A is for anarchy not atheism the A in the circle/o stands for anarchy is order (a little fun fact for you) and gods are masters created in the minds of men. "No Gods, No Masters" Margaret Sanger
[–]PerplexD[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 months ago
This
[–]goldenf56 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 months ago
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html
[–]martingraney -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
I could give a list of deeply religious mass murderers and it would likewise prove absolutely nothing.
And I won't even get into the thorny argument about Einstein, other than briefly that note he wrote;
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
It is also spurious to bundle together all of these scientists anyway, as the scientific method has changed significantly over the centuries.
The science of Newton was not the science of Darwin which was not the science of Einstein which is not the science of the present day.
The contributions of Peirce (1877-1885) and Popper (1934) are fundamental to the what we mean when we use the word science today.
science
And there is no way of knowing if, when equipped with modern science, any of those listed would continue to hold the same beliefs.
[–]goldenf56 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Dude you're such a fag, why don't we not argue what Newton would believe if you built a time machine and brought him here. Why can't you just see that there existed people who believed in God yet at the same time brought out advances in science that we use every day.
Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they're not intelligent, but you are living proof that someone who doesn't believe in God can still be retarded.
[–]Lightforge 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I might not have used the uhh...colorful language, but yeah, people putting so much energy into rationalizing why brilliant and creative minds who were also religious weren't "really" religious is up there among most clear examples of willful ignorance I see in my everyday life.
I never said they were not intelligent. And never would. They contributed a great deal to the furtherance of science as a credible discipline.
If you are religious then check out George Boole a deeply christian man without whom we would not have developed an equally deep understanding of logic and probability.
And I also never said that those listed did not believe in god. [Although Einstein is a debatable one, as I said. He was a bit ambiguous.]
I merely said that your argument from authority, as postulated by the apologetics site that you linked to, is entirely invalid and preposterous.
My first contention is that any arguments from authorityimmediately fail because you can simply propose the exact opposite, such as a list of deeply religious mass murderers, or a list of intelligent people who abandoned their faith to become atheist, and then went on to become well known scientists.
arguments from authority
Such lists prove nothing.
A list of intelligent religious folk does not prove religion anymore right than a list of mass murdering religious folk proves it to be sociopathic.
My second contention is that your specific argument from scientific authority draws on a false equivalence between the science practiced today and the science of ages past.
argument from scientific authority
In the time of Netwon alchemy was also a mainstream science then… which today is considered totally nuts.
And it is a commonplace intellectual conceit to consider what noted people from history would do given the circumstances of today.
After all; what would jesus do is one such intellectual conceit that is common amongst christians.
To deny atheists an identical intellectual conceit is disingenuous.
Ok artard that's what I'm saying, making a comic like that says the same thing as me providing that link, it goes both ways, so you just agreed with me that religion doesn't make bad people so HAHAHAHAHA Suck my reverse logic balls! http://www.allweirdpictures.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/double-chin-balls1-300x300.jpg
[–]Merrena -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 months ago
Seen 20 times before.
[–]REPOST_THE_GROUCH 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
GRRR, REPOST, GRRR!
[–]REPOSTS_R_OK 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Reddiquette:
[–]PerplexD[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago
Enjoy the 21st then.
[–]Merrena 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
December 21st ?!?!
[–]Erik8world -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Anarchy really? sounds like a horrible idea.
[–]gingykid 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I wish I could downvote you more. I really do.
[–]PerplexD[S] -15 points-14 points-13 points 7 months ago*
Aw seems like the religious fanatics stumbled upon my post and ruined my perfect up vote count. How unfortunate. So anyone want to discuss :3
[–]imrickjamesbyach 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Downvotes mainly came from reddit's downvote algorithm to keep archived posts even with newer posts in terms of total points. They also come from people who don't like reposts. They also come from atheists who think that these type of ignorant blanket statements do not help our cause at all.
Newton was a devout Christian. Without those "chains of religion", maybe he could have discovered something great in his life. Oh wait, he did...
[–]Frogel 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Don't blame downvotes on "Religious fanatics." Blame them on people like me, who have both seen this comic already, and don't think that this contributes to a good atmosphere of open discussion on /r/atheism. While a cool, "Atheism frees your mind!" comic, I don't think this brings anything new to the table.
[–]Roxerg 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
think about everyone else who didn't see this. Everything on Reddit earlier was not on Reddit and was possible to see it before it's posted in other sites.
all it takes is a username and password
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is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
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