Okay technically.

elbruce · 8 months

I think "agnostic" vs. "gnostic" is a false distinction.

As far as "agnostic theists" go, I can't imagine what it would mean to believe something without believing your belief is true. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

And on the atheist side, there's really no functional difference between not believing X and believing there is no X. In either case, X is not present in the set of things you hold to exist. It's largely a language-created distinction. And I don't really know of anyone who actually insists that God has been positively proven to be nonexistent. I'm sure there are some, but it shouldn't be hard to disabuse them of that notion, as well as its unnecessariness.

JonahFrank · 8 months

I see no reason why god should be considered any more probable than a teapot orbiting about the sun or faeries or the loch ness monster. Therefore, I "know" there is no god just as much as I know those other fictional creations of humanity's imagination do not exist.

At a certain point, agnosticism has to be seen as irrational in some cases as gnosticism would be in others.

pngwn56 · 8 months

I think it would be a tad more accurate to say that agnosticism is the position that god can/could not be proved, while gnosticism is the position that god can/could be proved.

Gopaks · 8 months

I'm not sure where I would fit past Atheist. I believe that there could be magnificent cosmic forces beyond our view and understanding (and/or purpose) but it, in no way, shape, or form, resembles anything of a god. I can't disprove there is no god but I consider the hypothesis one of the weakest and would never believe it without any sort of linking evidence to reality. Much more interesting ideas out there.

Tbabs · 8 months

Can any (intellectually honest) person really be a gnostic (atheist or theist)?

RationalUniversalist · 8 months

As an agnostic theist I've noticed that I am immune to all the conventional atheist talking points.

tonyp2121 · 8 months

I dont think one man can truly say there is one God or there isnt, as you say its semantics but you nor I do not know if there is a God and pretending like we do is childish.

brucemo · 8 months

"Strong" and "weak" atheism was poor terminology, and there is a relic of that on this page.

I'm tired of getting into arguments with people who refuse to accept this simple diagram, which so many of us seem to like.

[deleted] · 8 months

Agnostic Atheism is the way to go, man. I see no evidence of a God, but there is absolutely no way of knowing for sure.

Avatar_with_no_name · 8 months

agnostic [ag-nos-tik]

noun

a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.

adjective

of or pertaining to agnostics or agnosticism.
asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.
holding neither of two opposing positions: If you take an agnostic view of technology, then it becomes clear that your decisions to implement one solution or another should be driven by need.

gnos·tic [nos-tik]

adjective

pertaining to knowledge.
possessing knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters.
(initial capital letter) pertaining to or characteristic of the Gnostics.

noun

(initial capital letter) a member of any of certain sects among the early Christians who claimed to have superior knowledge of spiritual matters, and explained the world as created by powers or agencies arising as emanations from the Godhead.

antitheistsCOUK · 8 months

Agnostic atheism is DEAD.

throesofdespair · 8 months

Thanks, man. No matter how many times people post this image, Redditors still seem to not "get" it.


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