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Good without God (imgur.com)

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[–]EliMacGuffin 1 point2 points ago

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Warren Buffet is an atheist too?

Woo! What a sensible old man he is.

[–]periculum_in_mora 0 points1 point ago

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A few examples of "good" or "bad" people says nothing about the groups they belong to.

[–]EliMacGuffin 2 points3 points ago

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It's true. That's why these good without god campaigns are important... Many theists feel morality is dependent on religion and so see atheists as without morals, or untrustworthy. When the truth is, morality in action is often independent of belief.

[–]periculum_in_mora 0 points1 point ago

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ok, but it's not scientific and doesn't show anything. Christians could bring up lots of atheist murderers and child molesters if they wanted, and that would be ridiculous.

Better to provide some statistics of the general atheist population. That would give a better sense of whether or not atheists are "moral".

[–]EliMacGuffin 1 point2 points ago

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But that would be impossible, the definitions of the census would take forever to come up with... Especially if like me you do not believe in an objective morality.

[–]periculum_in_mora 0 points1 point ago

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My point wasn't really about the census.

My point is that individuals don't say anything about the larger group.

[–]samisbond 1 point2 points ago

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That's not what they're going for. All they are trying to say is that you can be moral without god, and you can be immoral with god, meaning god is no requirement for morality, nor does it constitute morality.

[–]EliMacGuffin 0 points1 point ago

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There is a slight progress to this though, even pointing out individuals.

It forces many theists to concede that not ALL atheists are immoral, which is the most frequently made blanket claim against ALL atheists.

In this case cherry-picking forces them to come to grips with the fact that the statement does not apply to ALL. So pointing out some is productive.

[–]periculum_in_mora -1 points0 points ago

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I wasn't aware that people made claims against ALL atheists.

I mean, you must be dealing the stupidest of the stupid, and really, who cares about them??

[–]EliMacGuffin 2 points3 points ago

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I do. They're in my family.

[–]satereader 0 points1 point ago

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I produced the original ads (and I've never reposted it). The Pat Robertson bit is something someone else added.

These were intended to fight a stereotypical view of the nonreligious. Examples can do that- especially since 4/5 of the largest philanthropists in the world are non-religious. Those aren't just examples.. that's a trend.

The point is that people can be good without god. Not that the godless are xyz as a group.

[–]kevin0103 0 points1 point ago

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I have seen this picture so many times on this subreddit.

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[–]brauntosaur[S] -2 points-1 points ago

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8 isn't that much. 200 would be a lot.

[–]kevin0103 0 points1 point ago

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That's just the first 8.

[–]brauntosaur[S] -2 points-1 points ago

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why stop at 8? point not yet proven

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