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Girl in astronomy class argued the Earth was 6,000 years old, not 4.5 billion (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by faceinthegrass
[–][deleted] 89 points90 points91 points 7 months ago
This happened in one of my astronomy classes! I'm a physics major but most people were taking it for an 'easy' science gen ed.
Our final was a blue book final where we wrote the history of the universe from the big bang to its probable end.
Two people wrote "God did it." and turned it in. The Prof. opened there books (because they finished after 5 minutes in a 4 hour final) and said, "See you next semester!"
[–]Hypersapien 46 points47 points48 points 7 months ago
It took them five minutes to write "God did it"?
[–]Comfortably_Numb 65 points66 points67 points 7 months ago
They also had to remember how to spell their names.
[–]Ravengambitx 31 points32 points33 points 7 months ago
30 seconds to write "God did it." 4 minutes 30 seconds to pray for guidance in answering the question :P
[–]TheEnraptured 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
This obviously didn't help them answer the question. They could have atleast (if they wanted to use such an arguement) have claimed that god set the laws of physics in such a way as to allow such a universe to work in the way it does (not that the evidence of the observable universe suggests this in any way). They could have also atleast intelligently speculated on what happened before the big bang, though I suppose if you have the argument that something would have had to created the matter of the big bang you might also have to ask yourself, who made the creator? That might be too scary..... I understand why they just wrote "god did it". Science is terrifying when it explains reality so much better than a preconceived notion you've clung to desperately your whole life to make you feel better. I believe it is better to percieve the universe as it really is than to persisnt in delusion, no matter how comforting or reassuring it is.
[–]CaptainObviousMC 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I'd have failed them for 'God did it' not because of the content, but because of its brevity.
It's not failing for its claims, but failing to support or expound on them in sufficient detail for a final exam in order to demonstrate sufficient skill in the subject matter.
[–]throwninlie 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Mentioning religion as the sole explanation for the universe should show they are quite skilled at BSing.
[–]TrevorBradley 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
In that order.
[–]thatguy1717 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
That professor is a BAMF! I'd double flunk them for being as arrogant as they are stupid.
[–]just_commenting 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Is being double flunked like being on double secret probation?
[–]wintremute 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
Best line I've heard from a (Biology) professor vs. a fundie:
"You don't have to believe it, but you'd better learn it or you'll fail my class".
[–]IvanTheDominator 58 points59 points60 points 7 months ago
i experienced a similar occurrence in geography. The person in question was telling the geography professor that the earth didnt form the way he was teaching it and told him god created it in its current form. the professor proceeded to laugh and told the guy "man im glad you're in this class, maby you might learn something for once."
EDIT: that professor was also a life long atheist.
[–]dustinechos -20 points-19 points-18 points 7 months ago
maybe*
[–]Wanhope 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
Not sure why everyone is being a dick to you. Reddit gets a hard-on for spelling every other day. Apparently you just picked the wrong one.
[–]respectfullyatheist 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I feel like this is a typo, not a misspelling. No idea why I decided to take the time to post this seemingly useless correction, but, well, I did.
[–]Wanhope 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Hey well, the more I know I guess.
[–]intisun 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Actualy, correctin other's grammer is against reddiquette.
(intentional typos)
[–]dustinechos -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Did you mean to post this to the parent comment? I was the person being a dick.
I just lol when someone corrects my spelling. I'm not sure why people freak out over it.
[–]IvanTheDominator 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
Thank you! I don't know if i could have gone on without you correcting me. thank you, sir.
[–]HPDerpcraft 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
My evolutionary biology prof knew I was a staunch atheist. In the times where I would write out something (we did a surprisinf amount of biochem) get frustrated, and cross it all out, I would write god did it. He gave me extra credit the first time, but he saw that I "adapted" to seek out this witty extra credit niche and stopped.
He should have given me an A for evolving.
[–]Commiserator 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
Damn, I honestly googled the word "surprisinf."
Thought I was going to learn some new fancy college word. :/
[–]inikul 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
Really?
I...really?
[–]thatguy1717 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
You're way too early. M-W won't come out with that word until next year. Try again in January.
[–]spinozasrobot 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I was goinf to do the same thing.
[–]HPDerpcraft -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Oops, phone typing.
[–]Zrk2 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
You sir, a a gentleman and a scholar.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
THEY'RE
THEIR
THERE
you should be in 8th grade English, not physics classes.
[–]Ive_done_this_before 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
My first thought was that you are a dick. Then I posted it.
[–]BaltimoreBears -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
So you've done this before...
[–]Thor_is_god 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
So Baltimore...um bear....
[–]Bootpolish 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
What sort of school do you go to where a physics course is an easy science gen ed? There's supposed to be a ton of math to keep those people out.
It was a 100 level introductory Astronomy course.
[–]Unerlion 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
AKA Non-calc based qualitative course.
[–]Jaybo06 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
AKA I slept through the class so I would be there for the mandatory nightly telescope viewings.
[–]twentypastfourPM 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Astronomy has more to do with trig than calc, now orbital mechanics on the other hand is one big clusterfuck of vector calc. Both were at the top of my favorite classes list.
[–]VeryLittle 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
If I were that professor, I would have said something like this.
[–]dlpwillywonka -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
"Next semester, you'll learn how he did it."
[–]LuciferWasTheGoodGuy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Next semester, you'll learn.
[–]dlpwillywonka 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
We can only hope they do.
[–]dustinechos 29 points30 points31 points 7 months ago
(relevant)[http://www.theonion.com/articles/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-worl,2879/]
[–]bekito 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
That article might be 2 years old, but it's the 1st time I've seen it and it's awesome. Thanks! :)
[–]Wanhope 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Same here, I can't believe I missed this gem.
Time to invite the semi-fundy girlfriend over...
[–]Tron-Gorf 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You mean 6,000 years old.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
This is great, it reminds me of a conversation I had with my roommate. I mentioned something about the Earth being over 4 billion years old and he said "Hey man, you can believe what you want, but don't try and force your beliefs against mine. I know that the Earth is less than 6000 years old." I just died laughing and asked him to explain fossils like these. He of course had no response except "lalalala Bible, bye".
[–]dustinechos 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
My favorite is "What scientists call fossils are actually just rocks shaped like bones." I've heard someone seriously use that no less than 5 times.
[–]ohyasure 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
She will do well on the next exam! If you have group projects I would immediately go up to the teacher and request a transfer.
[–]niczar 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
Context? Where? What class? What curriculum? What teaching institution? What was the reaction of the teacher/prof? Of the class? When did she interject?
[–]slowhand88 30 points31 points32 points 7 months ago
Fun Fact: This story was made up for karma. You can tell by the completely unrelated gif attached to what could otherwise be a self post.
[–]niczar 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
That's what I was implying.
[–]leescrilla -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
Someone didn't post every single detail in a story on the internet? It MUST be fake!
[–]hotbowlofsoup 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
If karma makes this guy happy, he can have all I can give.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
... How hard did the class laugh ? when did she commit suicide for being so ridiculous in an astronomy class ? was she sane enough to be accepted in an astronomy course ? was the person who accepted her fired after the incident ?
[–]jjg_denis_robert 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
I certainly hope the prof fails her out of the class. There's simply no way you can pass astronomy without accepting that the Universe is 14 billion years old, and that the Solar System is 4.6 billion years old. Let her study Astrology, which at least is not incompatible with her understanding of the world...
[–]oddmodern 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
even astrology follows a 25,000 year cycle
[–]ForgettableUsername 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It does, but we're only about a fifth of the way through the first one.
[–]Dusk-AF -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago*
"The first one."
What?
Edit: HOW is his post still positive and mine is now negative. You realize a fifth of the way through the 'first cycle' implies the world could only have existed less than 5 thousand years, we can't possibly still be within the first astrological cycle. We must be at least in our 184,000th cycle, assuming the planet is 4.6 billion years old. I hate all of you.
[–]jewdass 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
For certain values of "we"...
[–]Dusk-AF 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Lol by that logic every one of them is the first.
Irrefutable!
[–]jewdass 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Well, I'm assuming that he meant "human society, insofar as it has existed in a form that has been keeping track of shit like this" but maybe I'm trying too hard to read between the lines...
Well ya obviously, but you're implying something that just clearly isn't stated. It means nothing if say 'We're in the first part of a cycle I'm assuming started such that we would be in the first cycle', even though this cycle clearly must have happened at least 184,000 times. It's just a meaningless statement.
[–][deleted] 7 months ago
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Oh.. Well.. then I guess I'm the idiot. =\
[–]stalker007 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
You had to have heard the "age of aquarius" song...
[–]Lance_lake 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
HOW is his post still positive and mine is now negative.
Fixed as best I can friend.
[–]andropogon09 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
A young universe works if you accept that the speed of light has slowed since the beginning (as many creationists posit).
[–]Dusk-AF 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
So it works as long as you make an assumption that makes no sense whatsoever? Also the speed of light definitely varies, what you are referring to is the 'speed of light in vacuum' which is most certainly constant.
[–]insickness 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
This would have been my response:
I believe that God created the universe ten minutes ago and that he created everything to make it look older, including a lifetime of memories in all of our minds. Prove me wrong.
[–]yyx9 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Did you say anything about Tillman's Crest? It's not a bowl.
[–]clockworkcrows 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
If you collapsed the Universe into a tube, the resulting tube would extend twice the length of the Universe... you wouldn't want to put it in a tube.
[–]yyx9 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm shining a light into your son's window. Why are you communicating with my son? I do this every night.
[–]ApokalypseCow 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Does she think the rest of the universe is similarly young? If so, ask why we can see stars that are further away than 6000 light years.
[–]PutridBile 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Because god put that light in place when he created the universe to trick us. DUH!
[–]bill-merrly 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
on the morning of the seventh day god buried all the fossils around the earth just to fuck with people. then he rested
[–]adzug 26 points27 points28 points 7 months ago
were i the teacher id give her the floor to explain her theory then destroy her comments with logic. these ppl should be shamed into the 21rst century.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Also, happy cake day.
The fact you let them speak in a educational institute is unbearable to me.
Do NOT let them have the status of your equal. The is no debate, the wold is roughly 4.5 billion years old, period.
[–]PraiseBeToScience 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
The is no debate, the world is roughly 4.5 billion years old, period.
I lol'd at the confident uncertainty in that sentence.
[–]Wanhope 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Well it definitely might be!
[–]Flagyl400 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
First point - if you're going to berate the utter stupidity of others, you should really proof-read your post for basic linguistic errors. It makes it hard to take you seriously :-)
Second, more important point - if you try to shut up a human being, it will just make them shout louder. Let them have their say, prove them wrong, move on. While doing it this way has only a slight chance of changing their minds, your method has a 100% chance of reinforcing their falsehoods.
Funny, the church pulled exactly that off for thousands of years...
Also you seem a bit mad, so I'm not going to bother.
[–]Flagyl400 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Sorry this has taken so long - Xmas and New Year and so on, mad old time of year.
Yes, the church has pulled off a whole heap of stuff over the last few thousand years - and continues to do so until this day. But...aren't we supposed to be better than them?
No, thats the sumg attitude of an elitist. We're just apes in cloth.
I've personally ridiculed and mocked 4/5 of my own family out of the cult of Jehovah and it proved quite effective.
They believe in talking snakes, unicorns and slavery. They should be ashamed or admit they don't even read the damn book.
[–]adzug 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
they dont have that status which is why im saying they should be shamed into it. i wouldnt give them the right to teach it along in a science class mind you. but theyll continue on with this nonsense forever. it needs to be addressed in some way since they are obstinate bigots proud of ignorance. cheers
[–]lvsetecastronomy -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
You are no better then them with that blind belief. Everything should be open to question and criticism.
[–]DoomyDoom 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Everything is open to question and criticism. Feel free to find legitimate proof that the Earth is 6000 years old. I'll be here eating pie.
[–]neanderthalman 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
apple pie?
[–]DoomyDoom 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
No, apple pie is shit-tier pie.
[–]neanderthalman 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I was hoping it was made from scratch.
[–]lvsetecastronomy 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I am not suggesting there is legitimate proof, but we are still learning alot and we may find that the world is not 4.5 billion years old. Maybe it is younger, maybe it is older then that. Who knows, but if we close our minds to anyone we don't like (regardless of how insane they may be) then we may not advance.
Remember we are criticising them for ignoring evidence, lets not take their example.
Besides it doesn't take much time to hear their 'evidence' and it is always fun to poke holes afterwards.
The point was not that it was exactly 4.5 billion that's why I said "roughly" as in ~15%. The point is its roughly 750000 times older than sand people 3000 years ago claimed it was.
You misunderstand me. I am talking about more 15%. I am talking about there being something the scientists misunderstood and miscalculated by more then 15% maybe 50%. We find mistakes like this from time to time, and one should even notice the idiots because sometimes they accidentally make a good point.
Lets not be over literal, there is no "belief" that the earth rotates around the sun. Some day when we have better dating methods, it will be down to the hundreds of years.
You just act like a doush when you act like "a good scientist wont ever say he knows for sure anything". We know alot of facts, just not how they work, like gravity.
[–]santa4nt -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
"roughly"
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Probably an honest mistake and no need for me to be some grammar nazi but it's "21st" not "21rst".
Just in case you weren't sure!
ok ty
[–]Abedeus 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Smack her in the head.
With a telescope.
[–]ForgettableUsername 25 points26 points27 points 7 months ago
Don't be vulgar. That could damage the telescope.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
chicken, all over myself.... you bastard
[–]W00ster 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Not my kind of kink but I guess a chicken orgy is just as good as any...
Clucky clucky, five dollah, me nourish you long time?
[–]Abedeus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Everyone has to make sacrifices. Even the tiniest of telescopes.
[–]ExplosmChicken 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Those things are fragile, precious and very expensive.
[–]onomotopoeia 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
I do this every night with your son.
[–]AKJ90 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Tell us more!
[–]cryptobeast 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Resources for the curious..
USGS links page for isotopic analysis.
http://www.usgs.gov/science/science.php?term=609
Radiometric dating.
http://www.usgs.gov/science/science.php?term=954
"How do geologists date rocks?"
http://web.archive.org/web/20080310175442/http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/parks/gtime/radiom.html
This Dynamic Earth is a fantastic primer for the layman on how plate tectonics works. It gives, during the discussion of several topics, numerous evidences the Earth is old.
from a forums.randi.org thread
[–]Lowbacca1977 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I fear this happening to me next semester.
[–]robbydb 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
how/why do people this stupid feel the need to further their education? shouldn't god teach them everything they should know?
[–]Gramma42ton 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Not only is the earth 6000 years old, it is also flat and the sun revolves around it.
Grrr, God loves you, and if you don't love him, God hates you, now accept our cosmic zombie as your lord and master!
[–]MyHeadisFullofStars 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Some girl did this in my 7th grade science class, but she said something about 4,000 years. I looked at her at said "What the HELL are you talking about? ಠ_ಠ". I had no idea that religious folks believed that, and I got serious stink-eye from everyone in the room. Except my science teacher, she looked at me like "Fuck yeah, MyHeadisFullofStars."
[–]gbCerberus 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
This is the proper .gif for this situation.
[–]Can-eh-dian 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I used to work in a custom photo lab, and police would drop off film to be developed from crime scenes - murders, suicides etc. This one guy had sat in a chair and put a double-barrel shotgun under his chin. The result, honestly, didn't look much different than this gif!
[–]MistaPea 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
put this in r/WTF
[–]RedditGoldDigger 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
what's this gif from?
[–]roboticross 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Its Eric Wareheim and its an awesome gif.
[–]Cragvis 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
IM HER BOYFRND AND DONT U TELL ME I DUN COME FROM SUM DIRTY MONKEY NEITHER!
[–]shizzy0 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
DIRT BABY!
[–]horse-pheathers 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
....of the universe. The earth itself? 4.5 billion. Ish.
[–]ruffus4life 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
if god made it all this is how it was done. ka pewwww ka plaaaaa
[–]Whataboutthatguy 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
George Bluth is right, the universe is an amazing thing.
This girl is in the wrong class, and obviously can't do math.
[–]goodneighborstuff 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
You deserve an up vote for the tim and eric gif
[–]ScottFree37 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
She's an idiot. much like 80% of the human population. Deal with it and move on
[–]Countshane 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I wish this would happen in my classes. :'(
[–]Frank769 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Ecclesiastic Scholars : From the moment of the flood, with 5-6 people on board, what would've been the rate of birth for the world to become what it has become now? I know it's going to be a REALLY funny number but I'm too limited in my knowledge to do an educated guess.
[–]1stXer 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Your assuming they're from Earth...
[–]Steinhauser 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
When I was growing up it was thought there were nine planets. But now we know there are...ninety planets.
[–]abadphilosopher 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
upvote purely for the gif of awesome show
[–]cespinal 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS GIF FOR AGES
[–]ayadew -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
This .gif makes even the greatest fails win though
[–]God__Here -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
My bad for not being specific on exactly how old the universe is. Much of this "earth is 6000 years old crap" is based in ignorance and unable to comprehend large values of time. Before I set the Earth into rotation to create day and night cycles I was measuring "days" by rotations that the Galaxy took.
They probably got that 6000yrs number by the genealogy that is written in the bible. Adding up all those "begots" and what not.
Actually back some 4000 years ago humans couldn't comprehend million, or billion. Heck even thousand is a large number. Just to give you an understanding in Hebrew, the number 3000000123 is written as.
ג׳ אלפי אלפי אלפים קל"ג
The hebrews didn't have a number 0. There was no 0 in the hebrew numerology. This makes it very difficult to describe large numbers. 2 billion is not as easy as writing a 2 and nine 0's after it (2,000,000,000) Think of it like Roman Numerals.
Take 1,969. its MCMLXIX in Roman add a 0 and 19,690 becomes MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMDCXC. add another 0 and and things can become a nightmare. Now usually they would denote large numbers using a IƆ where something say like 105,000=CCCIƆƆƆƆƆ
Yet to come up with something like a Billion, or even Trillion was just silly back then because who would ever have a Billion anything? Here for example is what a billion pennies look like Now imagine being the accountant who needs to count all those.
[–]grandplans 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
IIIIIIIIIII'm fairly certain we can prove the universe is over 6,000 years old.
If I could prove to you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the universe was more than 6000 years old. Would you deny god?
[–]Unerlion 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Hell, China's mere existence beats the 6k year mark.
[–]grandplans 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
well China is not part of God's plan
[–]Unerlion 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Well obviously. I mean, they eat with sticks!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
And they build walls! Jesus hates walls, read the Bible!
[–]BoxoKnives 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Yeah except at least a proof for the age of the universe can be found out, there isn't a way to do that with religion. That's the difference.
[–]grandplans 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Except that I have a degree in astrophysics?
I don't really, but I am capable of understanding the science well beyond the dogmatic level. I've read volumes, and I'm fairly certain I could test out of most masters level courses on Physics, cosmology etc...
[–]Supermoves3000 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Dude, dressing up like Hitler is not bad-ass.
[–]13lacula 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I can prove the universe is older than 6,000 years old. You really have to be an idiot otherwise to say it's note. Hell, to even humor that idea is laughable.
[–]13lacula 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yeah, cause I can't do my own fucking research and look into it.
Get a clue.
[–]Paragade 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
With a username like that, you really can't expect anything more
[–]killadv 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
So why don't you do us a favor and explain why the Earth's age cannot be proven.
[–]faceinthegrass[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Study rocks. Come back to me when you're done.
Sad to say, but this guy has a point. When a person does not begin with an assumption of naturalism, they can logically believe whatever the hell they want. For instance, I believe God made the universe 3 minutes ago and he made it to look like it was 4.5 billion years old. You can't disprove this by examining the evidence that overwhelming contradicts this belief.
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