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[–]bigtallsob 32 points33 points ago

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It's somewhere around $60 bucks if you have to take the ambulance (unless you don't have the $60). Things like crutches are also extra, so there goes another $60. It fuckin highway robbery.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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its around $1000 in Australia to get an ambulance, 5-10k if you get a helicopter Ambulance. unless you become a member which is $120 a year.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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I would break my legs once a month on a mountain if I had the membership, gotta get my money's worth.

[–]Caboose-1 7 points8 points ago

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Membership is around $40 a year these days (in Victoria at any rate). You really can't afford not to have it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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well so it is. i still have an ambulance fine i havent paid, so il just risk it

[–]ZuqMadiq 3 points4 points ago

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sounds reasonable for membership.

[–]Karrl1z4j2 1 point2 points ago

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HAHA! In the US the average cost for heath care a year for one person is $8000. Fortunately it only costs $0 if you're uninsured like 16% of our population is.

[–]QofS 0 points1 point ago

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It costs me alot more than zero if you are uninsured.

[–]Burnsey235 -1 points0 points ago

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I think he's referring to the people that abuse the emergency rooms for something really trivial.

[–]Karrl1z4j2 0 points1 point ago

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No, I was using sarcasm to make lite of a serious situation.

[–]Burnsey235 0 points1 point ago

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Ok, my mistake then

[–]spambat 1 point2 points ago

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That's crazy! It's only $65.70 for myself in Auckland. I'll make sure never to get sick in Australia... Oh crap snakes and spiders... ok I'm never going. Ever.

[–]Krust50 0 points1 point ago

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Or if you have a pension card then A$0

[–]slackinfux 0 points1 point ago

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It's about $1200 here in California. We don't have the option of becoming a "member". Either you have insurance, or you don't.

[–]starberry697 0 points1 point ago

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The police took me to hospital when I drunkenly tried to commit suicide. Cost me nothing. Never take an ambulance unless its and absolute emergency.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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i passed out on the street drunk, the cops drove me to station i spewed on them, they put me in ambulance i yelled alot of stargate things at everyone then pissed my jeans

[–]starberry697 0 points1 point ago

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I was off my medication for two days and was drinking. So while I can normally tolerate paranoid ideas it was harder whilst drunk and suffering severe withdrawals. Thanks for being tolerant about mental illness though.

[–]nate92 -5 points-4 points ago

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My brother is still trying to pay off a $5,000 hospital bill (insurance covered the other $85,000) after his daughter was born. Yet illegal immigrant families that don't have insurance are having children for free with my tax dollars. GO AMERICA!

[–]pointmanzero 9 points10 points ago

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No they aren't. They are just not paying the bill.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Can't penalize their credit if they have no social security numbers. GENIUS.

[–]Karrl1z4j2 0 points1 point ago

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True, but that in no way means "you" are paying for it with tax money

[–]heracleides 0 points1 point ago

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Except the insurance companies compensate

[–]GrownManNaked 1 point2 points ago

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Insurance companies aren't footing the bill when someone doesn't pay their hospital bill. I don't know why people think that when Joe Schmoe doesn't pay his hospital bill that some magical insurance company comes along and pays the cost. Now does the hospital pass those costs on the the patients therefore inadvertently making the insurance companies pay for it? Sure, but don't make it seem lacking of some middle ground where the insurance company just pays for it.

[–]mauut 0 points1 point ago

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Genius - no one is talking about the aetna humana insurance companies !! Hospitals get insurance against non payment from other insurance firms just like they get legal protection in case of a lawsuit.

There are many insurance companies - if you stopped watching fox you'd be smarter

[–]GrownManNaked 0 points1 point ago

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Well according to my friend who is an accountant for a local hospital you are full of shit. They don't have insurance to cover non-payment. That is why you get a call after awhile when the bill went to collections. Also, when someone disagrees with you, you will get a much better argument or debate if you don't sarcastically call them genius and then try to insult them by accusing them of watch fox.

[–]h4rpur 0 points1 point ago

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But your taxes aren't going to the insurance companies.

[–]heracleides 0 points1 point ago

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I'm Canadian, you are correct.

[–]h4rpur 0 points1 point ago

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Even in America, taxes are not going to private insurance companies.

[–]msblaster 5 points6 points ago

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Bastards.

[–]Mgnani 1 point2 points ago

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Where?!?! Last time I checked, it costed me 300 when I lived in Montreal. And 300 here in Alberta :s

[–]bigtallsob 1 point2 points ago

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Ontario. That being said, last time I was in an ambulance was 5 years ago (maybe six) and it was a short ride. Maybe price varies.

[–]Mgnani 0 points1 point ago

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Perhaps they do vary :(

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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$300 in Manitoba as well.

[–]mauut 0 points1 point ago

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I live in Canada AND have insurance !! Free ambulance rides yaay!!!

[–]Mgnani 0 points1 point ago

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With private insurance, it's another story...:)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Same. The one time I needed an ambulance, I had Blue Cross insurance which covered it (paid $25/month, not so shabby).

[–]The_Adventurist 1 point2 points ago

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Fuck you, Canada. It cost me $900 for a 3 block ambulance ride.

[–]ZuqMadiq 0 points1 point ago

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i prefer 900 dollars for ambulance ride and low cost medical bill than 100,000 dollar bill with 1500 ambulance ride.

[–]AngryCanadian 1 point2 points ago

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Parking... don't forget the parking. That's where they really get you.

[–]mauut 0 points1 point ago

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Go canada!!

[–]antonbe 0 points1 point ago

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The least you can expect for getting a cut/bruise checked out in and maybe stitched up by the ER in NYC is $1000. Yup, more than the average worker makes in two weeks here. Plus anytime you get to ride in an ambulance, that's a cool $500. It's ludicrous.

[–]Pidgey18 0 points1 point ago

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ambulance is 80$ on the west coast. It is reclaimed on your health insurance if you attend university or your parents work. alcohol poisoning ftw?

[–]somegreekphilosopher 82 points83 points ago

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great job of photoshop there, bro.

[–]zomgz0mbie 18 points19 points ago

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I saw it too. I could tell from the pixels.

[–]IrrevrentHoneyBadger 21 points22 points ago

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MS Paint for sure

[–]ZuqMadiq 5 points6 points ago

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MS Paint! for the simplicity of things.

[–]OneWarning13 -1 points0 points ago

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The fact is though, it's 100% true. Here in a free country cough Americans we're not going to be impoverished by being sick (although we might have to wait a while for treatment).

[–]slackinfux 1 point2 points ago

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Oh here in America, we also have to wait a while for treatment. But the bills start coming immediately.

[–]OneWarning13 0 points1 point ago

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:S you got a right proper cock-up over there... I consider myself fairly right-wing here in Canada, but in the US I'd be a communist by the sounds of it

[–]olafthebent 1 point2 points ago

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You should see someone about that cough ;-)

As for "waiting for treatment" that may be true for non life threatening visits, but recently my wife went from initial exam to surgery in less than three weeks for a lumpectomy (benign... YAY). Parking was the most expensive thing that day. The system moves quickly when it needs to.

[–]justdweezil 33 points34 points ago

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I don't get it - why are you posting a badly shopped picture with 0.00's where there should probably be a few low, nominal fees...

[–]Amanuet 7 points8 points ago

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Same as Australia, big old Zero. Gotta love it :)

[–]Nicend 0 points1 point ago

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Well you sometimes have a cost. The bill when I broke my arm was $10 for the cast

[–]Scydow 2 points3 points ago

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Oh my, did you have to sell your house for that one?

[–]gettinginfocus 2 points3 points ago

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I'm from Canada, in my province there actually aren't any. I've never seen a hospital bill in my life. You just...leave.

[–]RickHayes 1 point2 points ago

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I'm Canadian, and I've seen a hospital bill once in my life.

It happened quite a few years ago. I was skiing and left my wallet at home. Long story short had a bad fall.

Ended up being pulled off the mountain on a clam shell (special kind of backboard used on steep snowy terrain) with a neck brace. Get to the bottom and an ambulance is waiting for me. Ambulance takes me to town, where a doctor and two nurses met the ambulance in the parking lot. Rushed into the ER, get a full body x-ray, and have my whole body given a good looking over by the doctor.

In the end, I just had lots of cuts, bruises, and 4 stitches. But I did use quite a lot of the staffs time, equipment, and supplies.

Now remember how I didn't have my wallet, well that meant I didn't have ID or my BCHIP card. So a few weeks later I received a bill for my visit to the hospital (ambulance ride didn't show up) stating I was a foreigner.

So for the stitches, the x-rays, the supplies, the staffs time, I was billed for a total of $600. I'm guessing if this happened in the States, it would have been closer to $6000.

Now since I am Canadian and I did have a BCHIP card, I simply went down to the hospital, showed the bill and my card, and after a few entries into the computer, my bill was gone.

[–]jax9999 0 points1 point ago

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ah but you see.. there aren't any. I could fall down in the street, and stay in the hospital for months, with dozens of life saving surgeries, and it wouldnt affect me financially at all. well, i'd probably rent a TV.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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You have provincial health insurance, thus you have health insurance. This makes no sense.

[–]bigtallsob 0 points1 point ago

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Its not the same. Guess how you get this provincial health insurance. Live in the province. That's it. No paying for private insurance that will always try to find the tiniest excuse to not pay up when you get sick, and no worrying about trying to find a job with an employer that provides health insurance. I can be a homeless bum, and I'm still covered.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago*

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That is incorrect. You pay taxes, thus you pay for your health insurance. You just don't pay premiums like private health insurance requires, and it's true, nobody is trying to rip you off everytime you get sick. Consider though, that Canadians pay more federal taxes than Americans do.

But also, simply living in the province does no make you eligible for health insurance. You must be considered a permanent resident of the province for tax purposes, which -- depending on the province -- requires living there first for a period of anywhere from 3 months to 1 year before you become eligible to register for a provincial health card.

This is why if you ever visit another province and must visit a hospital, you technically don't have health insurance in this province, but Canadian provinces try their best to coordinate with one another and cover cross-provincial expenses. Sometimes it doesn't work out though, and you may get a bill in the mail. Not often though.

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[–]bathori 0 points1 point ago

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When did this happen? About 10 years ago I had to go to emerge in Montreal and they took my OHIP card without complaint.

[–]davey_darling 0 points1 point ago*

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In Ontario we have a specific $60-$900 (depending on income) Health Care Fee that we have to pay every year.

[–]RickHayes 0 points1 point ago

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In total taxes paid, the Canadian middle class pays slightly less than Americans, the wealthy Canadians pay quite a bit more than Americans, and the poor in Canada pay slightly more than Americans.

But the real issue is how much does the government pay on healthcare. Per capita, the Canadian government spends slightly less, but covers all citizens with proper health care coverage.

The American government has such high bills because they cover all seniors, the most expensive segment of the population, and the actual providers have been in collusion with the insurers for years to raise the prices of everything as much as possible.

If you have health insurance from any of the provinces or territories, you are covered for care in any of the provinces or territories.

And when you move, you are covered from the province you moved from until you are accepted as a resident of the new province.

I have lived in 5 different provinces, I am well versed in transferring health care.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Very informative, thanks. By mentioning the residency requirement, I was mostly thinking of people who move to Canada from elsewhere -- that's why Minnesotans simply can't just hop the border, fake a local address, and get free health care.

I once had a roommate whom moved from BC to live with me in MB, and he was indeed covered by BC health until he was eligible for an MB health card. Although someone did mention a bit further down that Quebec no longer participates in cross-provincial health care. I wonder if you move to QC, if you end up uninsured for a period of time?

[–]Hyperian -2 points-1 points ago

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but as an american, i think homeless bums should die a slow death in the corner because they aren't hard working like our rich people.

[–]bigtallsob 0 points1 point ago

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The sad part is, what you say in jest, some people say with deadly seriousness.

[–]RickHayes 0 points1 point ago

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Like all of the GOP candidates, including Ron Paul.

[–]jax9999 -1 points0 points ago

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did i say at any time i didn't?

[–]VoodooAK 0 points1 point ago

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I would imagine you would have no income because you're in a hospital.

[–]jax9999 -1 points0 points ago

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Ah me boyo, then i'd get a welfare or a disability check :-)

[–]GameOnPantsGone 15 points16 points ago

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I saw the OP with the ridiculous amount due for the hospital bill and wanted to make the standard "Lol USA healthcare vs Canadian" joke, but honestly the shit some of you folks have to face in the States when it comes to healthcare is mind boggling. =/

[–]rileyrulesu 10 points11 points ago

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The original poster saw this and is thinking "Well thanks for rubbing it in you bastard!"

[–]Hubris2 2 points3 points ago

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Actually in Canada we have provincial health insurance. In Alberta we don't have any premiums anymore, but in most provinces people who work have an automatic deduction to pay for said insurance.

I agree, they will admit anybody on an emergency and don't need to see your healthcare card - but it's not like it doesn't exist. Your electronic health records are tied to your insurance number.

[–]bigtallsob 0 points1 point ago

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Which province deducts for health insurance? I know Ontario doesn't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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IIRC, BC does.

[–]davey_darling 0 points1 point ago

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[–]bigtallsob 0 points1 point ago

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All that says is that part of my income tax is going towards healthcare. There is no specific deduction on my pay slip that says: "Health care deduction." I was already aware that my taxes pay for heathcare, where else would the money come from.

[–]twatwaffIe 2 points3 points ago

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If you make any sort of respectable living, you're paying about $1200-2000/year in MSP fees. So it ain't free.

[–]khrak 2 points3 points ago

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To be fair, if you're not paying directly, you're paying through taxes.

That being said, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper in Canada.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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I AM SO GOD DAMN JEALOUS. As a poor person in america, if I get sick when i'm older I'm just going to die because I wont be able to afford treatment. I also have problems holding a job because of my bipolar, and I can't afford medication for it because I have problems holding a job. I've lost my fiance numerous gf's and many opportunities in my life because of it. Be grateful.

[–]TheTalentedAmateur 2 points3 points ago

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You should apply for the Patient Assistance program offered by your drug manufacturer. I work in a mental health agency, and see people get the meds they need everyday.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks I'll look into that, I've applied to Primary Adult Care program recently. Never looked into that stuff before because I was in denial.

[–]TheTalentedAmateur 1 point2 points ago

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You are now choosing to recognize and fix something that must be a problem for you. Way to go. Not to rant, but someday I hope that our society will look at mental concerns like we do diabetes-a medical condition that can and should be treated. Nobody is ashamed and avoiding treatment because their pancreas doesn't make the correct amount of insulin. Best wishes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I hope that day comes too :) Thank you.

[–]crithosceleg 0 points1 point ago

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Same boat here... except I have a job. It's a low wage job, but I've been able to hold on to it for almost five years. I've been looking for a better position, but in my area it's really slim pickings.

Over the summer I went in for a quick check up while I was still on my mom's insurance (just before I was dropped) so I could get a prescription so insurance would cover a new bra. Turns out insurance company wouldn't cover the check up, so that was $104 for the doctor to look at my shoulders and tell me, "Yep, you need a custom bra."

sigh

[–]LeTweek -1 points0 points ago

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Move to Canada and problem is solved. Besides, your guy's country is in the shitter anyway.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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It is true about my country. Our founding fathers gave us the opportunity for something great. I wont let their effort, dedication and sacrifice be in vain. I'm staying for better or for worse. I might not be able to change things, but I'll be one more person marching, fighting or speaking out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago*

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For comparison (Sweden).

My GF had to have surgery a few months back. She forgot to pay her bill on time so they added ~7$ to her ~11$ bill as a late fee. The 11$ were for hospital stay as the actual operation was free (or financed by taxes). The initial doctors appointment (the doctor who recommended she get the operation) cost about 25$. I don't think ambulances cost anything (never had to call one so I don't know).

But, this is what my taxes look like:

If I send in invoice for 100$ I pay 30% "social security" (very rough translation), another 30% income tax and 25% value added on anything I buy. So what I actually get to keep is:

100 * 0.7 * 0.7 * 0.75 = 36.75

I used to think this was insanely high, but as I get older I’m realizing more and more how much we get out of it and that it’s actually worth it.

[–]Grammar-Hitler 1 point2 points ago

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Deep cover conservative separatist is the Op.

[–]Thaledan 1 point2 points ago

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Wait time for non-emergency related problem over 9000!!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I've broken about 4 bones from hockey and every single time, the wait has been over two hours. I got concussed once and was in right away. Moral is, if you're going to break something in Canada, at least make it an important body part.

[–]Nexxxeh 0 points1 point ago

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Triage at work?

[–]crithosceleg 1 point2 points ago

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I want to go to there.

[–]Iamurcouch 1 point2 points ago

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I live in Britain, free healthcare all around!

[–]Knappsu 1 point2 points ago

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Last time I was in the hospital I think it cost me around $30 for a 160km ambulance ride and a 3 night stay.On the checkup one month later I got payed around $20 for travel costs. Welcome to Sweden

[–]Mitch0422 1 point2 points ago

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i live in ontario and the ambulance cost me 40$ last time . not bad at all considering the hospital stay in the usa would have cost 100k$

[–]M_R_Big 1 point2 points ago

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What's with the copied and pasted 0.00 on the bottom?

[–]Hammyman 1 point2 points ago

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UK here - we don't even get that.

[–]1234blahblahblah 1 point2 points ago

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SOMEONE is paying for it.

[–]onanonanonaonon 0 points1 point ago

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http://www.myfacewhen.com/86/

mfw americans actually believe that healthcare = communism.

[–]boona 4 points5 points ago

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Healthcare costs in Canada are over $5000 per capita. The bill comes to you in the form of really high taxes.

[–]KungFuSpider 1 point2 points ago*

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The USA spends about $7500 per capita and that only covers up to 65% of the population (2010 cost). The rest are private/employer insurance.

This article gives the following numbers via WHO data (from 2006):

USA:

  • Public spending: 46%
  • Private spending/insurance: 54%
  • Total public cost (paid via taxes) per year per capita: $3090
  • Total cost national cost per year per capita: $6719

UK:

  • Public spending: 87%
  • Private spending/insurance: 13%
  • Total public cost (paid via taxes) per year per capita: $2449
  • Total cost national cost per year per capita: $2815

Canada:

  • Public spending: 60%
  • Private spending/insurance: 30%
  • Total public cost (paid via taxes) per year per capita: $2204
  • Total cost national cost per year per capita: $3673

In both the UK and Canada you have 100% coverage of the population for 50% of the cost per person.

This is why I just don't get US healthcare. You pay more for less, and by and large people seem think it is a good thing. It is just odd.

[–]flargenhargen 4 points5 points ago

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Nice Try.

I'm from America, and my government let me in on your little secret.

Government run healthcare doesn't work, and canadian pharmaceuticals are mostly counterfit and ineffective.

Most Canadians who get sick just die because they don't have big, rich insurance companies to care for them. That's why there are so few people in Canada.

Since I don't believe my government would lie to me, you are clearly either a scam artist, or a ghost.

[–]crilen 3 points4 points ago

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lol usa

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Aw, don't make a funny out of his dilemma. That's awful. Poor guy.

[–]Meneros 1 point2 points ago

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I'm from Sweden. Last summer I spent 5 nights in a hospital, getting all manner of drugs and needles. I paid 800 SEK (ca 80 euros) in total.

[–]Nexxxeh 3 points4 points ago

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I'm in the UK. As much as we bitch about the NHS, it is fucking awesome.

Specifically I live in Wales, I don't even have to pay prescription charges which include migraine medication, skincare stuff and anti-hayfever stuff. I just turn up to the pharmacy once a month and pick it up. Also my dental checkups were free until I turned 25 and they're now £12 (or free if you're unemployed etc).

[–]spambat 2 points3 points ago

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I live in New Zealand, I paid $10 to see the doctor, $5 to see him about the results if the blood test, $3 for my Iron tablets (anaemia! Yay!) and haven't paid a thing since - repeats are free unless they're not subsidised. I'll have to go back again after this last pack and pay all of this again but it's worth it. PS: I'm poor with what we call a "Community Service Card" which proves I'm poor and discounts my doctor visits.

PSS. I hurt my finger on the way into the doctors office and asked for a plaster, they actually wrote it down as a "dressing" and I got a letter three days letter saying ACC paid for it. So funny.

[–]Meneros 1 point2 points ago

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Sweet. Dental here is pretty expensive, after you turn 20 (or if it is 21.. was two years ago, I can't remember all this stuff). Before that it's free.

[–]Whatderfuchs 2 points3 points ago

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I'm sure you're making the OP feel really good about his christmas predicament.

[–]Dirty_Audi -1 points0 points ago

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This is shopped. I can tell by the pixels and by seeing many shops in my day.

On another note, I know from working in the ER, that in Ontario we charge a $45 fee for the ambulance ride.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Your friends must look up to you.

[–]Oxxide 0 points1 point ago

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Shopped you say? No, surely this is white-out!

[–]genericusername319 0 points1 point ago

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The clever thing they do is actually bill you on your taxes. But if you could actually see the costs it would still be cheaper than in America.

[–]mountainmafia 0 points1 point ago

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Im jelly!!!

[–]AcidicChaosLP 0 points1 point ago

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[REDACTED]

[–]dooblagras 0 points1 point ago

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well, at least he made it out on time to play skyrim.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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So confused. I live in the US with state-funded healthcare and pay $0 per visit to go to the doctor and $1 or less per prescription.

[–]ps02210 0 points1 point ago

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I had major stomach surgery in Finland, was a week in the hospital, and paid around $75 total, plus another $30 for all the prescriptions afterwards.

[–]zeonos 0 points1 point ago

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if you took a cap in UK, you would get refunded

[–]scouseaccent 0 points1 point ago

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Free in england.

[–]YaDshu 0 points1 point ago

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And that is why I live in Canada, get in, say what's wrong, wait a little, get tested, diagnosed, a perscriptoin is made, and you leave :D

[–]Silentwes 0 points1 point ago

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I owe EMS something like 4,000$ for taking me to a hospital I could see from my bedroom window. It was a kidney stone...

[–]jafoooli 0 points1 point ago

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yeah but they finger you in your sleep at canadian hosipitals

[–]SamsquamtchHunter 0 points1 point ago

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You got a bill for $0???

[–]ClampingNomads 0 points1 point ago

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Same in the UK, plus you get a baked potato that was put in the oven by Aneurin Bevan and a free dose of MRSA!

(Sorry the NHS is one of the best things about our country, but it ain't luxurious)

[–]Nebz604 0 points1 point ago

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You're welcome.

[–]mcityftw 0 points1 point ago

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Photoshop much?

[–]thebestfuckingartist 0 points1 point ago

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fk u guys

[–]stevenlss1 0 points1 point ago

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While the system aint perfect this year my niece had life saving spinal surgery, my brother had a hernia repaired, my brother had a nose job to fix a breathing problem stemming from a previous break and my mother was flown half way across the country to consult with a Dr to confirm she didn't have cancer... the total cost to my family was something like a grand total of $100 and that was the cumulative parking fees... CANADA FUCK YA!

[–]wurz81 0 points1 point ago

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I love living in Canada for that. In Alberta we used to have to pay $150 every three months, but that's gone now.

[–]lmmediateRetort 0 points1 point ago

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Shopped, and poorly too.

[–]FrostyFire 9 points10 points ago

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REALLY? Here I thought it was an original. ಠ_ಠ

[–]Thatsafunny -1 points0 points ago

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Why is this posted under r/funny?

[–]Shageen 7 points8 points ago

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Because someone earlier posted the REAL hospital bill from the U.S. which was over $100,000.00 In Canada we have healthcare so it's *free (taxes etc..) The original thread had a lot of up votes.

[–]thepony88 0 points1 point ago

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it actually looks like the OP used one of those white out tapes. am i the only one seeing this

[–]Tiktaky 0 points1 point ago*

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I thought the same thing, then i though he copy-pasted parts of the image that had 0.00 and put it over the real price.

EDIT: Just realised it is edited, as it is a paradody of ORINIGAL POST on r/wtf

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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how long do you have to wait in line bleeding before they help you?

[–]Mgnani 2 points3 points ago

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In Quebec, 8 to 16 hours. In Alberta, 30 mins...max. True story...

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[–]Mgnani 0 points1 point ago

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The most that I've waited in an edmonton walk-in clinic, has been 15 mins to 1 hour. misericordia hospital, emergency room, made me wait 30 mins once. In Montreal, I hurt my shoulder on three different occasions...I waited minimum 5 hours each. And once, I pulled an all- nighter for my husband who had to get stitches... Quebec's health care system is a whole different story...

[–]bigtallsob 1 point2 points ago

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Well that depends on the cut and how busy the ER is. If you are in the process of bleeding from a major artery, congratulations! you just got bumped right to the front of the line. If you cut your finger and you might need a stitch, you can afford to wait a bit.

[–]thediamond0000 0 points1 point ago

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So, a long line vs. $100,000 bill? Ill take the long line.

I was in the ER in September in Alberta and there was literally no line, this was on a Saturday night at 1:00am. I was in and out in 45 minutes. It also cost $0.00. I pay a lot of tax. yay. im important.

[–]VulgarMouth -1 points0 points ago

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This post is so incredibly incorrect, and that's sad...

[–]DermottFictel -4 points-3 points ago

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No, its not f*ing free. As a Canadian, I am getting tired of this. You pay your taxes. Your taxes pay your healthcare. // There's no need to feel all high and mighty just because your tax dollars go to an essential service and not trillion dollar boondoggles. Don't forget that our national sport (not lacrosse, the other one) enshrines beating the shit out of an opponents brain. Not to win the game. But just 'cause.

[–]heracleides 0 points1 point ago

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I'm pretty sure they still keep score.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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You mock our healthcare system and you belittle the best game on earth. Get the fuck out of my country.

[–]DermottFictel -1 points0 points ago

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how is saying that something is not free mocking it? also, greatest game on earth is mario kart, dickweed.

[–]pretzelzetzel -1 points0 points ago

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For one thing, it's free because you do have insurance. For another, not "in Canada" is misleading because health insurance schemes are entirely under the authority of the provinces, and differ. Furthermore, f you don't have insurance, you can be billed. I'm Ontarian, but my OHIP has lapsed, and I'm fairly sure a hospital would charge me.

[–]daevilpurple -1 points0 points ago

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This looks terribly photoshopped...

[–]bathori 1 point2 points ago

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Well.. it is, but that's because they don't actually give you a bill at the hospital in Canada.

[–]daevilpurple 1 point2 points ago

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Ah I see, well then that would make sense :P

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -4 points-3 points ago

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On the other sideof this, i paid about 150k tax in Canada last year. By most estimates 50k minimum of that went to health care. Ive never spent the night in a hospital, take care of myself, and havent even had a cold in 6 years. Im alright with paying (arguably more than) my share, but these posts where fellow canadians tapdance about their "free" healthcare do get to me a little. For the out of pocket cost of my "free" healthcare i could buy my doctor a BMW every year.

tldr; its not free.

[–]FrostyFire 5 points6 points ago

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I see you make $250k a year as a geological advisor. I don't know where you pulled $150k out of your ass from because that's not the standard 43% tax rate. I also work in the mining and exploration industry amongst people in a similar situation. They don't pay as much tax as you, because they're not retarded. You need to utilize the vast amounts of tax breaks in the system. If you don't know how to beat the system, pay someone who does, you'll end up with more even after their fee. If you're an advisor, you shouldn't be on the payroll, you should be a contractor who is writing off anything and everything.

[–]Kelly_D 4 points5 points ago*

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It is much more difficult to trace your taxes the healthcare. First, you pay both a provincial and federal tax. For simplicity, lets say JohnnyFuckingUtah lives and works in Alberta (because apparently you are a geological advisor, and the oil field employs many of these people), you pay a federal tax rate of 15% on the first $41,544 of taxable income, 22% on the next $41,544 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $41,544 and $83,088), 26% on the next $45,712 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $83,088 and $128,800), 29% of taxable income over $128,800. Albertan's pay a flat income tax of 10%. So according to FrostyFires post, if you make 250k a year, your not paying anything near 150 grand in taxes. In fact, if you make 250k, you would pay 62404.40 in federal taxes and 25,000 in provincial taxes for a total of around 87,000.

Second, healthcare is a provincial responsibility that is partially funded by the federal government through tax breaks and transfer payments through the Canadian Health and Social Transfer. So some the taxes you pay to the provincial government go towards healthcare (the largest expenditure in any provincial governments budget), and some of your federal taxes get "transferred" back to the provinces to pay for healthcare. The portion of your taxes that you pay to the federal government that would be transferred back to the provinces through CHST is minimal. Furthermore, that transfer money is not all used for healthcare, it is also used for social programs, which constituted the second highest portion of a provinces budget.

Quick edit to add provincial tax rate

[–]FrostyFire 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I read through his old posts. They're all, "hey everyone look at me I make $250k a year and I paid piles of tax so therefore I'm god."

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -1 points0 points ago

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"Canada has free healthcare", "Tax anyone who makes a high salary" and "The oil industry is the devil" are hot subjects on reddit, and I have brought up my situation a couple of times. I always get downvoted to shit for my opinion anyway, but I think you're exaggerating when you say "they're all" though.

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -1 points0 points ago

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if you make 250k a year, your not paying anything near 150 grand in taxes.

I've stated before that I make ~250k per year. This ye mar I had a good year, so I paid more tax.

[–]Kelly_D 0 points1 point ago

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You would have to make another 250,000 a year just to come close to paying 150,000 in total taxes. So is it roughly 250,000 per year, or is it double that?

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -2 points-1 points ago

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Try another 29 percent

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -2 points-1 points ago*

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I see you make $250k a year as a geological advisor. I don't know where you pulled $150k out of your ass from because that's not the standard 43% tax rate.

You're confused. I said that I make ~250k a year as a geological advisor. That's on average, but this year I made more than that, and paid more tax. Some years I make less, and pay less tax. I have a good accountant, but thanks (not being sarcastic, I seriously mean it), that would be great advice if I didn't.

[–]FrostyFire 0 points1 point ago

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Read your post again, you said you, "paid about $150k in tax in Canada last year." But that's not what you said in your other posts 2 months ago.

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[–]FrostyFire 1 point2 points ago

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That still doesn't make any sense. Feb-April is the time you do your taxes for the previous year. So you've already some how magically submitted your tax return to the government for 2011 when it's not even possible to do so yet? Sure, sounds legit. By your numbers you some how got a $100,000 raise and you supposedly made $350,000 for 2011? Riiiight. $350,000 - 43% = $150,000.

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -1 points0 points ago

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Yes, it almost seems like I'm wildly successful. Take some notes.

[–]FrostyFire 1 point2 points ago

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I think you need to stick to being a geologist, because numbers clearly aren't your forte.

[–]JohnnyFuckingUtah -1 points0 points ago

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My specialty is geostatistical reservoir modeling. So, yeah.

[–]patadrag[!] 2 points3 points ago

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If you were in the States, you'd be paying even more, as they have a higher per capita public funding than Canada; not to mention the additional private insurance you would need to buy. Also, the fact that you haven't yet used the healthcare system doesn't mean you're paying more than your share. The elderly are disproportionately extremely more expensive regarding healthcare costs, so you could be paying against your future needs.

[–]Kelly_D 4 points5 points ago

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This is a very incorrect statement.

[–]phuzzyday 1 point2 points ago

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If what you say IS true, you are part of a very small minority. And you obviously don't have a family to worry about. Good thing wealthy single guys don't have more say then a NORMAL person.

[–]MelisSassenach -5 points-4 points ago

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Why would they send you a bill if it's gonna say $00.00?

[–]heracleides 0 points1 point ago

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record keeping lol

[–]Mgnani -3 points-2 points ago

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My husband got charged 500 bucks for stitches because he didn't have health insurance. Just saying...when you are not covered, you still have to pay. The US have it worse though.

[–]heracleides 0 points1 point ago

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That's impossible. I went in to get a cast for a broken hand after my healthcare was cancelled due to non-payment of premiums and then they made healthcare free. I go in with my broken hand and they ask for my healthcare number and see it has been canceled so they activated it for me and gave me my free x-ray and cast. You're doing it wrong.

[–]Mgnani 0 points1 point ago

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Montreal, 2007. My husband gets hurt. He needs stitches. It's 11 pm at night. He got his stitches at 6 am. He didn't have public health care, so he got a 500 charge instead. I'm not the one who was doing it wrong, the system was.