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Christianity in a nutshell [FIXED] (i.imgur.com)
submitted 8 months ago by ghiiirocker1
[–]original-finder 74 points75 points76 points 8 months ago
Original Submission (97%): Christianity in a nutshell.
Posted: 16h before this post by Ell975 (fixed by ghiiirocker1)
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[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 months ago
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[–]gamerholic 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Nah, I don't think that one is the original either... I saw the same comic being drawn by Michael Angelo on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel..
[–]ProgFan 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
:(
(Thank god my screen is hi-res, no way I would ave been able to make out that frowny.)
[–]thrawnie 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Goddamned robots taking our jobs :p. HUMANS ARISE!
[–]DistractedScholar -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!
[–]NowISeeTheFunnySide 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
They changed just the last phrase for a [fixed] post? Normally people put at least a little bit of effort into their karma whoring, god damn.
EDIT: And you stole it from the top comment in the other thread? Wow...
[–]ignanima 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I have come to actually expect this post when I click on the comments for a "fixed" link.
[–]OkayGuyGreg -23 points-22 points-21 points 8 months ago
christian logic v atheist logic
[–]supergauntlet 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
That doesn't work. I can clearly recreate the pizza myself.
[–]RespekKnuckles 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
That makes no sense whatsoever.
[–]heartbraden 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Trolling?
edit: ahh, yes. Very negative comment karma overall. No wonder.
[–]40dollarsharkblimp 17 points18 points19 points 8 months ago
You forgot to add the panel at the end where religion uses science's flashlight to make shadow puppets of dragons and argues that since science's own flashlight showed there are dragons, he should just accept that fact and turn off the flashlight forever.
[–]Cragfire 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
They were never meant to be taken as literal dragons!
[–]Exostenza 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Should be called religion in a nutshell. Just singling out Christianity is unfair to how ridiculous all other religions are.
[–]rib-bit 13 points14 points15 points 8 months ago
This applies to Christianity today but has applied to all kinds of humans including scientists in the past. Remember ether? We all make mistakes, but most tend to move on when disproven :)
[–]bigpoppastevenson 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
You're quite right. You captured much of the satire in that last sentence, but what you seem to be overlooking is that science embraces wrong answers head-on. That virtue should not be used against the scientific method, as you appear to be doing in your first sentence.
[–]rib-bit 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That virtue should not be used against the scientific method, as you appear to be doing in your first sentence.
Sorry, I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean that the scientific method should not be applied to Christianity/Religion because it is not founded on science so we it's like speaking in two different languages?
[–]davorzdralo 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
No, he's saying science accepts that it could, and often is, wrong, and that that is a virtue, not a flaw.
[–]rib-bit 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
agree -- science requires us to accept wrong and relearn. however, there is no such tenet in religion so why do we expect them to change?
[–]davorzdralo 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
I don't expect religions to change, I hope religious people will. As for religions, I just wish they would disappear.
[–]TripperDay 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
We don't. That's why we want to wipe it out.
[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
But religion does change...the Vatican now accepts the theory of evolution when it used to be thought of as heathen and unGodly.
[–]bigpoppastevenson 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
No, I'm sorry. I think I misread your first sentence. Where I read "scientists", I interpreted "science". You're right that there have been people called scientists who have asserted false claims dogmatically, but, in case anybody's reading this, I'd like to make clear my opinion that that approach is not at all scientific.
I think that the main message of the picture is that only religions (with Christianity being the most prominent form in the West) require their adherents to engage in the above caricatured kind of systematic retreat from verifiability and falsifiability. People who are called "scientists" can make dogmatic claims, but science doesn't require them to. It does the opposite.
Again, I'm sorry to misread your first post. To answer your question: I wasn't suggesting that. The scientific method is applicable to religion (and Christianity specifically) when the religion makes claims about the natural world (e.g. the presence of dragons of this picture, the virgin birth of many religions, the Genesis doctrine as it is literally interpreted). These all occupy different positions on the spectrum of testability, but they are still claims made by religion that can be explored scientifically.
[–]PyroSign 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Ether (I assume you are referring to luminiferous aether) was a testable hypothesis. When tested for and discovered not to exist, the concept was abandoned.
This is very much unlike many faith-based concepts, which are held on to despite lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary.
You are compressing time and mixing foundations. First aether took time to refute. But during that time people believed it. God hasn't been refuted (though personally I do not believe in God).
Second, why do you insist on applying evidence to religion? To me that's no different than berating kindergarten kids because they don't know calculus. One's based on faith. The other science.
To critique either using the wrong ruler doesn't make sense.
People may have believedit existed, but there's a question of impact. I doubt that anyone went around claiming that Aether spoke to them personally and told them how to sacrifice animals, for example.
why do you insist on applying evidence to religion?
Anyone who makes a truth claim is claiming to have some basis for their statement. If someone wants me to abide by their rules, then I deserve an explanation.
If someone wants me to abide by their rules, then I deserve an explanation.
but why do you demand an explanation through science -- they never promised one
(again I'm an atheist trying to keep an open mind so forgive me...)
I'm not demanding one through science. I'm demanding one that makes sense, science or not.
religion doesn't promise that either -- i agree with you bro, it's frustrating but I wonder if we create that frustration
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You're quite wrong. No one was ever murdered for refusing to believe in the ether.
And the ether theory wasn't even dumb by modern standards. Look at concepts like the vacuum energy and frame dragging - empty space really is a thing, they only guessed incorrectly at how that thing operates.
Modern religion is not an incorrect theory. Its first and only mistake is attributing a will and a reason for natural processes, animism writ large. After that it is propaganda for ruling elites to keep people in control, and a wish-fulfilling delusion to assuage the fear of death. To call Christianity's elaborate dogma a "mistake" akin to an incorrect theory is both whitewashing and an attempt to hijack the credibility of science for Christianity's benefit.
No one ever said stop questioning the ether. The very people trying to understand the nature of space were the ones who figured out the theory was wrong.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
Ether is dangerous for my kids back then the same as it is dangerous for my kids today. Christianity is the same. It doesn't matter what else is dangerous, dangerous things should be exposed and those who push it should be ridiculed.
[–]PyroSign 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
How was it dangerous for your kids? (I assume you mean hypothetically since it was disproved in the early parts of the 20th Century)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Exactly. Treating my kids illness with ether is dangerous because it won't treat the illness.
[–]mattg63 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Dang, that was the first thing I thought of too. Reminded me of the Carl Sagan argument in Demon-Haunted World.
[–]swishscoop 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Christianity in a nutshell:
"Help, I'm in a nutshell, somebody get me out of here!"
[–]sirbruce 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
No, this is Christianity in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
[–]HailJenkum 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Kinda predictable.
[–]amoebaamoeba 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
"Dragon in my Garage" by Carl Sagan http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm
[–]someguy945 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I read this a very long time ago before I understood who Sagan was, and had not seen it since. Thanks!
[–]Evertonian3 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
so this has nothing to do with any other belief? also, let's assume that all scientists are atheists....well done
[–]Frywad32 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
isnt it true that most scientist belive in a higher power ( but not necessarily a religion)?
[–]heartbraden 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
No, it's very untrue. In fact, read The God Delusion, there's an entire section about that. The vast majority of scientists do not believe in anything supernatural. The same goes for MENSA members, and many, many other groups of extremely intelligent individuals, and when you look at the opposite end of the spectrum, for example, prisons and schools for the less-educated, you find a much higher percentage of religious people. (not just christians, but most all religions.) Don't take my word for it, though, The God Delusion is very well written and includes sources for all necessary parts, so check that out.
[–]Frywad32 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
I never said they were religious but good to know
[–]Evertonian3 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
i was just being a sarcastic ass to balance the annoyance of people assuming all scientists are atheists which mean atheism is science
[–]druek 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I don't think religion has "been here way longer than you"....but I get it. Definitely a claim that religion would make against science.
[–]Impsyn -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
I've had people argue that because they "felt" it then it had to be true. What they failed to acknowledge was they felt it because someone told them it. Most of these people wouldn't have the moral sets and beliefs that they do if it weren't for societal pressures and historical influences.
[–]hibob 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The people who created and shaped the religions that in turn shaped the societal pressures and historical influences - they "felt" their creations were true too.
[–]ashleighlovesyou 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
the flashlight looks like a penis
[–]Guido_Cavalcante 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Why would Christianity be older than science? The scientific method has been around since the time of Aristotle and the Ancient Greeks. That's DEFINITELY earlier than the birth of Christianity.
[–]mstksg 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of a different scientific method.
How many different ones are there? MIND BLOWN.
[–]wickydooda 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
genius
[–]dikky 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
what kind of magic flashlight lights up a room like that
the comic is fucking bullshit
[–]TheBoobaloop 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Difference between being an atheist and then bashing religion as being synonymous with someone who knows that a dark room that doesn't contain dragons and yet says there are dragons but you cannot see them.
[–]Mothman21 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I upvoted this because it's funny, not because it makes people I happen to disagree with look dumb. If you have a point, write it and post it, if you think you can be funny, then you make a comic.
[–]coaxfun 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
HEY... hey... That's slanderous!
You mean religion in a nutshell...
-_-
[–]IPromiseImHuman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I just want to know where his backpack is.
[–]gnunaes 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Looks like that's a pretty big nutshell.
[–]Aptspire 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
"Dragons were never gone. They were just invisible, and very very quiet." -Ma'iq the Liar :D
"Dude no, you'll piss off the dragons!"
I was rolling on the floor laughing...literally.
[–]Fenstus 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
http://i.imgur.com/aajQJ.jpg
[–]mistydog 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
all religions in a nutshell.
[–]Goo_Back 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Why did he need to say faggot? Seemed so unnecessary.
[–]Mister_Sandman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The allegory of The Cave, essentially. People have known this for centuries, and yet we're still struggling with it today.
[–]pinchhazard 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Where's the backpack?
[–]I_RAPE_HOT_WOMEN 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Dragons ate it.
[–]occupythekitchen -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Ah religion the knowledge that something greater than yourself exists but you're not quite sure of what it is so it must be a sky daddy bc the truth that religion is the will of men feels lacking....
[–]stevesan -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
i'll assume you're talking about the assholes.
[–]postguy2 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
Aside from the brashness of the religious person in this comic, no, it covers all religious people. "I know the TRUTH, but it's all invisible but believe it anyway."
[–]stevesan -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
Grow up.
[–]postguy2 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
That looks suspiciously like a contradictory reply that doesn't refute what I said. Care to?
[–]stevesan 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
OK you seem like a reasonable person, so consider this: There are plenty of perfectly cool, balanced religious people out there. Not every religious person wants to force their beliefs on you. And just because they believe in something that's unscientific doesn't mean they're dumb or anything. In fact, science is pretty much just a set of beliefs that appear to work most of the time (I'll appeal to my authority here: I'm a PhD student in computer science, and I study physical simulation). Similarly, for some people, religion is just a set of beliefs that helps them make sense of life and live with peace of mind. If it doesn't make sense to you (it doesn't make sense to me), then whatever don't mind it! But don't look down on those who do find it useful.
Of course, if they behave like assholes and try to force their beliefs on you and look down on YOU, then OK they're being shitty people and you should just ignore them. But atheists looking down on religious people is pretty much just reverse-assholery.
[–]heartbraden 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I apologize, but it's very difficult to look at someone that honestly believes that Santa Clause is constantly watching and judging you for the holiday season without looking down at them. Your replacement of God and "heaven season" is laughably no different at all to us.
Again, I don't mean to be rude, but that's just the way it appears to (at least some of) us.
[–]fencerJP 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Also, Belief in a religion makes one more tolerant of those assholes that try to shove their beliefs on everyone else. They may not actively participate, bit they passively condone the practice (by and large). They may b good people, but when good men say nothing...
OK look I understand there are religious assholes out there - believe me, I know. But c'mon - is it so hard to accept that there are perfectly cool, perfectly happy religious people out there? Is it so hard to accept that maybe you would like some of them and maybe even become good friends with them?
Because I know plenty of Christians who are chill about it and absolutely do NOT condone those who try to convert others.
[–]fencerJP 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The problem is not that they believe or that they're trying to sway me. I know they're not. The problem is they lend at least tacit support to the asshats that DO try to make their nonsense a law, and DO try to force their BS on me. That's when I have a problem.
[–]stevesan 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Sure, it doesn't make much rational sense. But plenty of things in the world don't make rational sense because the world's fucking complicated. As long as they're not assholes and they're cool people, I don't give a shit what they believe frankly. If it becomes a problem, then that's another issue, but man appreciate good people when you meet em and stop judging them for stuff that is completely inconsequential to you.
And also, consider that when they say "believe" it means a different kinda thing than what you may think. Religious folks will often say that they "believe" something to be true because they feel it. So it's quite a different thing from how you may "believe." It's almost like the feeling of being in love - it's not rational, but it's very real and can be powerful (there is probably a neurological explanation for it).
When two people are in love, they "feel" that they're perfect together and that any other relationship either one could have would be sub-par. This is obviously not rationally true (it's not). But, the feeling is so powerful that it trumps rationality, and unless you're an asshole shithead that just wants to rain on their parade because your life sucks comparatively, there's no reason to pop that bubble. Just let them be happy and keep on believing that they were meant for each other. As long as it's working, great!
[–]TheBruteSquad -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
[–]tigranater -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
No... not really.
[–]MatthewEdward -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
The deeper question is; where is the backpack?
[–]unamenottaken -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
Very clear message. Probably wouldn't work for a freeway billboard, but it would be great for pedestrian oriented displays.
Be on the evening news in no time. :)
[–]trrrip -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
mmm ether
[–]slightlystoopid[] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 months ago
For people who presumably value the scientific method, this seems a little silly. Very unnecessary use of "faggot" as an ad hominem attack on intolerance in religion, too. Something that needs to be realized is that few people interpreted the Bible or other religious texts literally until the Enlightenment when specialization blew up.
The rise of fundamentalism in Christianity and other world religions is a relatively recent phenomenon that has led people to associate irrationality and immoral acts with the followers of such movements. These people have confused the worship of an ancient set of documents that only ignorant people could interpret literally with the worship of God and their classical Greek-influenced theology is philosophically inconsistent with that of a personal God.
Not all religious people are fundamentalists and need be associated with the people commonly associated with them. If an atheist were to do something stupid would that make atheism a stupid belief? Of course not, the beliefs' validity need not be limited to the actions of those who hold those beliefs. Instead it should be evaluated on its own accord to see whether or not it has value or is logical.
[–]Synsof 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
What the fuck are you talking about? People interpreted the bible literally until the Enlightenment. Not the other way around.
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