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[–]Aedan91 1 point2 points ago

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Genetically, that seed is a tree.

An egg doesn't has genes from the male, is just a female gamete. Is like saying, sperm is a person. Which is clearly true, but doesn't really help your point.

And saying the silkworm is not a dress, is like saying a tree is not a table. Again, painfully obvious, but unhelpful to the point you are trying to make.

edit: That is a seed, right? I can't get a clear idea of what the hell that thing in the second square is.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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You've never seen an acorn before? They grow into oak trees.

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, an acorn. Thanks, for some reason I couldn't get what that thing was.

Thanks for asserting my point, genetically is a tree.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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In oak forests they carpet the ground. Very few of them grow into trees.

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago

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It doesn't matter. You said it wasn't a tree, well, genetically is a tree, my point doesn't need anything else.

You see my point right?

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Genetics are a technical point. Genetically, yes, it's a tree. Literally, it's an acorn.

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago*

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Exactly.

Technical points can be proven or not. They are facts. Correct or false. Genetically, is a tree. Genetically, is a human being. Period.

"Literal" points, as you said, are more of an abstract construction of a particular thing, e.g, "a person". They can't be proven right or not, because they are constructs, not factual claims. Therefore you can say that what appears in the picture in not a person, but that would be, at first glance, only valid to you.

So, in conclusion, my point all along was it is a difficult concept.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Genetics are all fine and dandy, but look at the acorn. It is not a tree in any way other than genetics, and their is an almost nonexistant possibility that that particular seed wil turn into a tree.

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago

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Way to miss to point, bro. All I'm saying is not an easy concept as you say. And that's coming from a prochoice. Cheers.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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No, i get what you're saying, but the picture is of an egg and sperm, which is not a person. Genetically, it has the ability to become one someday, but i can't view anything as a person until it has developed memories of it's own, or made memories for another person. If that egg never implanted in the uterine wall, and was instead ejected from the body, could that be considered an abortion? If so, thats what birth control does, and eVery girl on the pill is having a few abortions per year.

[–]TheBlackHive 3 points4 points ago

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There are those who would argue that it is, as "person" is an abstraction. I'm with you, but this image is a gross oversimplification.

[–]alecbenzer 1 point2 points ago

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Ditto. It's not a difficult concept in the extreme, but deciding what a person is and when something stops being a mass of cells and starts being a person is not, in general, that simple of a question.

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago

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We never stop being masses of cells.

[–]alecbenzer -1 points0 points ago

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So... you're either pro-life or you think it's fine to kill people?

[–]Aedan91 0 points1 point ago

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What? I think you misunderstood me. We never stop being masses of cells, because that is what we are. Unless you're a robot.

[–]Trioate -1 points0 points ago

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Dubbing someone who is opposed to abortion as 'anti-choice' is petty. The issue a pro-lifer is concerned with is not denying a woman of her choice but preserving the life of her unborn child.

Also, the only comparison that even makes sense in this image is the acorn as store-bought eggs are typically unfertilized and silk dresses are not alive.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Its a silk worm cocoon, not a pile of silk, so it's still alive. The egg could have been fertilized, but was instead denied a mate by keeping the hens alone.

Also, prochoice people aren't trying to make abortions mandatory, they're trying to preserve womens right to choose, so prolife people are antichoice. If you would prefer to be considered prolife, wait until abortions are no longer an issue and go protest the clinics. Either you are for being able to choose what you do or against it. Prolife is a masked term for "we don't want you to have an option". They are antichoice.

[–]Vedici 1 point2 points ago

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This is incorrect by the simple fact that one can be pro-choice and still choose life, therefore also making them pro-life but not suggesting that they wish force all others to think and act the same. And you are absolutely correct in assuming that the anti-choice ideology is largely present in the pro-life movement, but there is still a distinction to be made.

[–]Trioate 1 point2 points ago

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Also, prochoice people aren't trying to make abortions mandatory, they're trying to preserve womens right to choose, so prolife people are antichoice.

Who said anything about mandatory abortions? I know the pro-choice argument; i'm just saying that pro-life people aren't arguing against a woman's right to choose but for the child's right to life. There is no clear definition of when a person's life begins, and, as abortions can still be legally performed after the foetus has already begun to develop a heart and a neural system (and could possibly feel pain), they could honestly consider it murder.

The pro-lifer isn't trying to deny a woman a choice with her body but protect the child they consider to be alive because it is unable to protect itself. The issue is of when a person is a person and whether that person has a right to not have their life ended.

Because someone may believe that a foetus has already begun its life as a human, they would consider aborting the pregnancy of a living child murder, violating that unborn person's right to life. One can try to distract the issue by labeling these people 'anti-choice' or 'misogynist', but it is still petty. It's similar to labeling someone against euthanasia of incompetent persons 'anti-family'.

I will also admit that i do not know how silk is harvested.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Prolife people are making abortions impossible. That takes away anyones choice, therefore, antichoice.

It doesn't matter what their intentions are, they are against women choosing to get an abortion. Whatever their reason to be against it is, they are against the choice of abortion.

They are antichoice.

Also, the silk worm farm is a really odd concept. I don't really get it either, i just had that pic around for a few months, so i had time to realize it was a cocoon, not a ball of silk as i originally thought as well.

[–]Longnez 1 point2 points ago

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Concerning the silk, the cocoon (containing a chrysalis) is boiled, killing the insect during its metamorphosis.

So, the analogy as I understand it is that to get a silk dress, you have to kill quite a few caterpillars, denying them the right to become butterflies.

[–]StoneDeaf 0 points1 point ago

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Is it only me, or am I the only thinking it's funny that people who is against abortion, not everyone but almost, eats eggs? In someway I think you'll eventually get my point.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 0 points1 point ago*

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You should really turn that "is" into an " are". It looks silly.

By the way, upvote for the good point.

[–]DickVonShit 0 points1 point ago

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People eat chickens too... What's your point?

[–]JLoche -1 points0 points ago

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Yeah the point is a strong one for pro-choice but the fact still stands that it will be life. You're not actually taking life away but you are still denying it.

[–]CaptainTheGabe[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Sounds a lot like a condom...

[–]flyonawall 2 points3 points ago

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Well, from that stand point, every time you don't have sex with a fertile woman or use a condom, you are "denying" life. Everytime you masturbate you are denying life to those sperm. They never got the chance to fertilize an egg. Every time a woman fails to get pregnant and instead menstruates, she is denying life. Really?