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Me after leaving my calculus finals today (media.tumblr.com)

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[–]logged_in_for_this 27 points28 points ago

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Uncurved, I got a D on the final... after the curve it was a solid B. Don't worry, you'll be fine!

[–]Whazzits 26 points27 points ago

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Uncurved I think I'm going to get a D. After the curve doesn't exist. Same deal with my chemistry final. Nobody curves at my school except the English teacers.

[–]calfonso 4 points5 points ago

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It should be the complete opposite...what backwards school do you go to?

[–]Damnyoureyes 18 points19 points ago

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One that prefers that the students of hard science and math know their shit?

[–]Catalyst6 9 points10 points ago

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One that prefers that the students of hard science and math know what is on the exam?

FTFY

[–]logifal 5 points6 points ago

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You are obviously not a student of one of those then. At least where I go the profs intentionally make the exams very difficult to challenge us and then curve accordingly.

[–]calfonso -2 points-1 points ago

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jeez, relax.

[–]Maraboduus 4 points5 points ago

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I have benefited from curves in the past and I am heavily against it.

I can see how it's supposed to adjust to the class average and that the average should be kept at a 75% but it rewards slacking off and doing the minimum.

It's simply another tool to keep kids in college and it's why non-practical degrees become more and more worthless.

[–]Whazzits 4 points5 points ago

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I agree with this, kinda.

I look at it this way. In every basic chemistry/calculus/biology/whatever class, no matter where you go, you are expected to learn a specific set of information. For chemistry, these concepts might be nomenclature, stoicheometry, thermodynamics, chemical bonding and lewis structures, gas laws, and a few more assorted things.

These central concepts will account for maybe 75% of the exams you are given (this is based off of what I've seen so far on my tests). The other 25% of exam items usually concern advanced problems and concepts that your individual teacher has taken a liking to. These aren't things you will necessarily learn at other universities; these aren't necessarily concepts you will have an easy time researching, and these aren't necessarily concepts you will ever know or need to know after the course is over. They are merely there because the professor wants them to be on the test.

That makes these types of problems the ones most likely to be missed, and in the end, if you curve the tests, you aren't really losing any central knowledge. You still have to know those things to succeed, plus a little bit more to do well.

This is just my experience as a freshman in entry-level BCPM courses, but I do feel as though I may never use some of the information I learned ever again, and that's ok. Curving to me is a reflection of that.

Of course it's when students fail to learn the fundamental concepts that you get problems with curving, but I digress.

[–]Mourgne 0 points1 point ago

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I cannot agree more with this.

[–]Pedophil3 0 points1 point ago

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In highschool right now i have not even payed attention in physics this semester much less studied for a test but the curved tests keep me at a B

[–]origin415 0 points1 point ago

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So if two different professors offer the same class, you don't believe there should be some way to compensate for their different teaching and testing styles? In particular, the difficulty of their tests?

Curving doesn't mean giving undeserving kids points for trying, it means adjusting for variables outside of the students' control. And you don't want students trying to take the class with the professor with the easiest tests rather than the professor who you'll learn from the best.

[–]calfonso -1 points0 points ago

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I thought non practical degrees became worthless because they're not practical....i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, point me out if I'm wrong but the sentence kind of has the answer within it.

[–]Whazzits 1 point2 points ago

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UNL. I think it may also have something to do with the fact that these are all basically freshman classes. Still, class averages are around 60some for chem and 70some for calc, which is harsh.

At the same time though there were a few extra credit opportunities for chem (which were, however, a huge burden to complete) and one of our four major test grades is going to be dropped. In calc he's dropping two out of seven of our measly ten-point quizzes (which is pretty insignificant in the long run).

I'm not sure if this is standard or if I should be complaining more.

[–]Harvey-Specter 2 points3 points ago

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70-something class average in calculus is pretty, honestly. My two first year engineering calculus classes had averages just over 50.

[–]calfonso 0 points1 point ago

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Eh, I think schools tend to switch it up. I usually only get 2 midterms and a final, so I only get 3 test grades, unless you're counting the final as two. But at least at my school, we do have curves, so in orgo, I got a 26/100, but the average was somewhere around a 37 so i still get a decent grade.

[–]You_suck_too 1 point2 points ago

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I heard of a science professor who once said "This is science 1A, there will be only one A."

[–]darkscout 0 points1 point ago

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It depends entirely on the school, the teachers, and how the tests are made.

I transfered between colleges from one that was not curved to one that was. The tests and finals in the curved classes wore 10x more stressful and hard than those that were not. Because you're not just competing against yourself. In my uncurved classes I would almost never study for a final because I'd do the math and figure "Well I need 101% for an A and 40% for a C. I'm getting a B, no studying".

The best way I can describe it is:

*Uncurved finals are written for 3 hours and you have 4 to take them. *Curved finals are written for 3 hours and you have 2 to take them.

At larger schools you don't always have the same number of teachers writing the tests and teaching a class so every semester they do it different. The curve will be set by the number of people that know their stuff the best and can get the most amount of the test done. Give a large enough sample size the intelligence is going to follow a basic normal curve with mean and standard deviation not changing much.

Imagine you take a test on endurance running ability. Everyone has 3 hours to run as far as they can. The "A"s are almost always going to be the same semester to semester. The "F"s are too. With the majority of people falling into the middle range.

Now: If the teachers just put a bunch of stuff on the test that was never covered, never tested on in homework or anything else. That's just bad teaching.

[–]iwantmyjacketback 0 points1 point ago

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Atleast they're consistent. My professor curved everything EXCEPT the final :-/

[–]Paul_Langton 0 points1 point ago

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There are no curves on finals! And how could you do bad on your Chemistry final? I finished mine in a 70 minute period with 38 minutes left, completely confidant in an A.. However I dunno about my Pre-Cal or APUSH finals...

[–]INeverFinishMySen 0 points1 point ago

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English teacers probably should curve your exams.

[–]Tashre 5 points6 points ago

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Mmm, curves... me gusta

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[–]Tashre 0 points1 point ago

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In a nutshell.

There's different ways different teachers and professors will adjust the curve, but one of the most basic ways is, if there were 100 questions on the test and the most correct anybody answered of them was 80, then everybody else will be graded on the number they got correct out of 80 instead of 100. So if you only got 60 right, instead of getting an F you'd get a solid C.

Of course, collaboration amongst the students could abuse this easily, but, like I said, there's different ways to handle this.

[–]simplystunned 3 points4 points ago

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It worries me to have such curves. I feel that nobody really knows higher math.

[–]Bootpolish 2 points3 points ago

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Even most of the people who get grades without curves won't necessarily know it.

[–]evilted 3 points4 points ago

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"D" is for diploma.

[–]deafrave[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I know I didn't pass it but I've got another chance in february. Calculus 1 - Me 0

[–]colinstalter 0 points1 point ago

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A 50% curved to a B on my Calc III final. An 18% was a passing grade as well...

[–]DeeWall 7 points8 points ago

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I'll be the guy: What's this from?

[–]deafrave[S] 42 points43 points ago

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The kings speech is the name of the movie. I recommend it, it's a good watch.

[–]mynoduesp 2 points3 points ago

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I would also like to recommend it, and confirm its goodness to watch.

[–]Andewz111 1 point2 points ago

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One of the only Oscar-dominating type films that I've watched and said "Okay, yes, deserved."

[–]liarliarpantsonfire 0 points1 point ago

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It's a two hour firstworldproblem.

[–]Albaek 0 points1 point ago

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Most movies are a full duration of firstworldproblems, because they often take place in a first world... and there's usually some problems (or it would be kind of boring).

[–]Davidrawr 6 points7 points ago

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http://youtu.be/RhddWJs0z08

[–]BjornStravinsky -1 points0 points ago

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Thank you, good sir.

[–]zibeb 5 points6 points ago

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and tits.

[–]calfonso 9 points10 points ago

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Orgo

[–]mayoandketchup 0 points1 point ago

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Trying to study it right now.

[–]Maraboduus 4 points5 points ago

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Same boat.

Actually I had differential equations and it's easier than Calc 1 or Calc 2 but I still manage to mess it up.

Know everything, practiced a good amount... weird shit I've never seen before appears on the final or I simply turn around a minus sign etc...

In the real world people shouldn't be turning around minus signs so I understand the harsh backlash but I simply couldnt put up with all my engineering projects, work, life and study and put my required amount of time into DiffEq in order to get a decent grade.

I'm doing well everywhere else, I guess my mindset for Calc-related stuff is just bad.

[–]deafrave[S] 0 points1 point ago

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that's exactly what happened to me. Wierd questions that dosen't make any sense..

[–]Maraboduus 1 point2 points ago

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well they do make sense but it's the sort of material that lurks in a deep hidden corner in your textbook - and those all over the exam.

It sucks. Calc is important but you don't teach it by frustrating the student into complete self doubt. I can perfectly do most procedures in Differential Equations if I have a normal problem without 10 fancy additions from math freaks that make the problem "more interesting".

Keep this for people who actually study math... and teach us practical things we can use. If a math class is required for engineering I couldn't give two shits about the deeper mathematical reasoning behind it.

All I want is to understand what I am dealing with and how to use it as a tool to aid me in my engineering work, not some weird memorization of theorems and special cases.

[–]deafrave[S] 0 points1 point ago

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word!

[–]raltyinferno 2 points3 points ago

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This is hilarious, I'm actually in my calc class right now and I just finished my final. I feel like I did great. I only had to guess on 3-4 out of 50 questions.

[–]ksp4r 4 points5 points ago

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How does a calc final have 50 questions? How much time did you have?

[–]colinstalter 0 points1 point ago

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Mine was 20 "Questions" which each had subquestions, totaling to about 50. We had 3 hours.

[–]raltyinferno 0 points1 point ago

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We had about 2 hours, most of the problems were multiple choice.

[–]LeSlowpoke 0 points1 point ago

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My Calc 3 final had 97 questions. Ended up being 25 pages.

It really wasn't as bad as you'd think.

[–]Vishiz 0 points1 point ago

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Sounds like a multiple choice test.

[–]LeSlowpoke 0 points1 point ago

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Somewhat. Each page had an answer bank, including none of the above. That doesn't mean you don't have to solve the problems, though.

Example.

[–]tangoshukudai 1 point2 points ago

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My calc 3 exam had 12 questions and it was 3 hours long. My teacher taught at stanford for 10 years and he feels like it is important to make these 12 problems harder than any problems we have encountered. It was brutal.

[–]raltyinferno 0 points1 point ago*

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Ouch, I'm in highschool so I'm taking AP calc and our teacher tried to model his test off the AP exam, except that we had more time to do it, so it really wasn't bad at all.

[–]maximoe 2 points3 points ago

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D is for DONE

[–]YouCrazyGirl 1 point2 points ago

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Stats.

[–]BurnCruise 1 point2 points ago

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Repeat to yourself: It's just a test. I should really just relax.

But seriously, I feel your pain. Walked out of mine not an hour ago in much the same manner.

[–]DasBoss 1 point2 points ago

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Fucking nick tesla

[–]hieronymus_botch 0 points1 point ago

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Your comment makes no sense to me in this context at all, but thank you for finally revealing the source of the NDT gif.

[–]DasBoss 0 points1 point ago

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I'm saying that it's all Tesla's fault because he invented calculus.

[–]eganpe 1 point2 points ago

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Thank god I'm not alone. Girl who sitting next to me in my exam today actually broke down and cried. Pretty sure I failed. Engineering Hydraulics btw

[–]Palin05 1 point2 points ago

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The average at my university on the Calc 3 final was a 48%, I am expecting a huge curve.

[–]buakaw 0 points1 point ago

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Weed-out class? I thought Calc 3 was the easiest.

[–]tangoshukudai 0 points1 point ago

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Mine was harder than any other classes I had taken. Calc 3 was harder than 1, and 2, diffyQ, Linear Alg, Mechanical Physics, E&M, and most of my major courses.

[–]tangoshukudai 0 points1 point ago

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Mine was harder than any other classes I had taken. Calc 3 was harder than 1, and 2, diffyQ, Linear Alg, Mechanical Physics, E&M, and most of my major courses.

[–]Palin05 0 points1 point ago

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Calc 3 is the hardest of the calc classes in my opinion ( which I think is also the general consensus). It is more abstract than the first two classes.

[–]Jables7580 1 point2 points ago

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This is going to ring very true in t-minus 4 hours!! FUCCCCKKKKKK.

[–]icanhasheadache 3 points4 points ago

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This was me but it was a basic Stat final.

Low expectations=great results.

[–]FightGar 1 point2 points ago

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It would appear that you've bombed it.

[–]icanhasheadache 2 points3 points ago

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or I made it explode... with the sheer force of my math...

I probably bombed it, actually

[–]Incara1010 0 points1 point ago

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Me after E&M today.... thanks for the smile though, I watched the scene over haha.

[–]Deliriously 0 points1 point ago

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this struck way to close to home.

[–]beardedrugby 0 points1 point ago

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WILLIE!!!

[–]MescalineMan 0 points1 point ago

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Oh god, same here..

[–]mikebutler188 0 points1 point ago

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I just passed calc 2 with a B after failing it twice before :(

[–]solidiquis 0 points1 point ago

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Same dude. Good luck though. Those Optimization and Related Rates were my bane.

[–]PajamaSam 0 points1 point ago

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We covered Related Rates problems in class with sliding ladders and the Pythagorean Theorem and the like, but when we got to the exam, there was a problem with sand filling a cone. I was like, "WTF is this shit‽"

[–]solidiquis 0 points1 point ago

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I hate those cone ones! It sucks because I only began to understand that shit AFTER the exam was over! T.T

[–]ihavecrayons 0 points1 point ago

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That's how I feel and I haven't even taken my Contracts final yet.

[–]GreenCardMe 0 points1 point ago

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awesome movie.

[–]electric_woozle 0 points1 point ago

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this

[–]Rage-ahol 0 points1 point ago

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Yep.

[–]Reyer 0 points1 point ago

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Are you stalking me? I walked out of my final half an hour ago and literally said fuck outloud the entire walk home.

[–]Hogzilla88 -1 points0 points ago

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I have mine tomorrow, hopefully the genius asian kids don't fuck up the curve for everyone else.

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