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How was the world created? (i.imgur.com)
submitted 8 months ago by eastrod
[–]invadrzim 130 points131 points132 points 8 months ago
The Norse have the best creation myth. anyone who hasn't should find a free e-book (i found one on my iphone) of the norse creation myths and read through it. It's a bit hard to follow sometimes but its so bad-ass.
[–]nightrage 35 points36 points37 points 8 months ago
I know, right? I'm Norwegian, and we learn about it in Norwegian classes :) It kind of makes sense that the sky is made from the skull of a jotun (giant, although for other purposes than talking about Norse mythology, I would recommend using "kjempe" - I know you'll all benefit from knowing this!), right?
[–]sammwwise 21 points22 points23 points 8 months ago
How often do you go troll hunting?
[–]vaskemiddelet 20 points21 points22 points 8 months ago
Depends on which part of the country, farther north, it's between august and a couple days Christmas eve (in the old days, troll meat was the traditional food, it still is, but it used to, too.) In the south, trolls are nearly extinct, and you have to pay for a licence, 2000 Norwegian kroner, for a maximum of five trolls. Only a few hundred of these licenses are sold each year, and only to hold the troll population stable.
[–]mecrosis 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
Troll Hunter was a pretty decent movie. That's all, carry on, as you were and all that.
[–]Hart_Les 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Well now I know the next movie I'm watching.
[–]TheLanceHan 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Is it just me or does that actually look pretty interesting ?
[–]ryosen 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
And it's on Netflix streaming, too. Cool.
[–]mecrosis 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
yeah that's where I saw it.
[–]mythstified 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
I wholey support this brand of creationism being taught in schools.
[–]Legio_X 30 points31 points32 points 8 months ago
The Norse creation myth is amazing. If I wanted to believe in any mythology, the Norse and the Greco- Roman gods would definitely take it.
No stipulations on how to live your life, just a detailed description of which giant serpent will be killed by which God, and which giant wolf thing will eat the sun.
[–]funkdracula 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
AND includes many useful tales of how to become a god by various heroic acts, most of which include murder! It's the perfect motivation!
[–]TalkingBackAgain 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
It would work for me!
[–]SoundOff 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
There is actually a set of advice from Odin on how to live life. Hávamál has some really poetic and amusing anecdotes on women, drinking, travelling and whatnot.
[–]Legio_X 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
But who would take advice from Odin? Sure, you get to rule Valhalla for a few millenia, but then you get killed by Fenrir in Ragnarok.
I prefer the Norse creation myth because it doesn't have any of the squeamish Abrahamic trolling [pardon the pun] about the naughty bits in humans and how you should be ashamed to use the body your creator, in his image, made for you.
The Norse weren't exactly squeamish about things. More pillaging, less Twilight style introspection.
And of course any creation myth that ends with a giant battle where half the gods and mythical creatures die violently has to be better than one where everyone just goes and is happy ever after.
[–]TalkingBackAgain 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
At least the Norse were real about it. A god of love? Yeah, because we all know how that turns out, right?
Also: gigantic two-handed axes. Fuck you and your candy-ass garden of Eden, god!
[–]pujus 31 points32 points33 points 8 months ago
Science vs. Norse
[–]Decon87 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Well now I know where they got the name Teldrassil from in Warcraft lore. They also call it "The World Tree".
Interesting stuff.
[–]morningr 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Wrath is full of Nordic mythology.
[–]verminspeaker 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
For those who do not know, that comic is one of Tim Kreider's. His site can be found here: http://thepaincomics.com/
[–]TheLateThagSimmons 54 points55 points56 points 8 months ago
I'm sold.
From now on I will only refer to Earth as "Ymir the Remix".
[–]izon514 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
And like every remix, there will be a dubstep version of it.
[–]KorbenD2263 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Watch out for the drop.
[–]kush52 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It will give you a seizure.
[–]shifty_chive 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
The Shinto one is also really interesting. What happens after the two gods descend to Japan is that the Izanami (the female) starts giving birth to other gods/spirits (They're aren't really considered gods, but there's not really a good way of translating it so I'll call them gods). When she gives birth to the god of fire, she burns up and goes to the land of the dead. Izanagi (the male) chases after her. He finds her, but is so terrified by what she's turned into that he puts a stone in between the world of the living and the dead.
[–]TowelieFromSouthPark 14 points15 points16 points 8 months ago
As the founder of /r/Norse, I must say I agree with you on that.
[–]stanthemanchan 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
It's best if you read this while cranking Viking metal at full volume.
[–]Mike762 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Falkenbach!!!
[–]Tylzen 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
http://m.youtube.com/?rdm=4oox72jbr&reload=3#/watch?v=gBhME0_WFXM
I recorded the Nordic Creation Myth. Well translated and read it
[–]winkleburg 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I was just going to say this. The Norse creation myth is fucking bad ass. If you're going to follow a loony religion at least following the tightest one.
[–]not_superiority 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
the only thing that sucks about it, is some of the norse myths were transcribed by christians who had a bias.
[–]Mordosius 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Read the Prose Edda. And for other Norse readings, basically anything by or believed to be by Snorri Sturlusson.
[–]concussedYmir 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yes.
Yes it is.
Came here to say just that. The Norse's creation history is the coolest one. I'm going for that one.
[–]IntelCoreDuo 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I think that Thor's hammer probably would symbolize Norse mythology better than that... shape thing.
[–]glasschamber 25 points26 points27 points 8 months ago
Actually the Hindu creation myth is more complex than it seems at first glance, if one reads the Upanishads. I like to call it the philosophical counterpart to mainstream explanations of creation.
[–]patrix 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
True. In fact, Carl Sagan acknowledged that Hinduism perhaps was the closest in terms of explaining how the universe came about. Video and transcript. Another video link from Cosmos.
[–]confused_boner 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
This. It's also quite interesting to read into if you have the time.
[–]todaysdday 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I have found that theravadic Buddhist philosophy has a lot of scientific intones
[–]zkelvin 91 points92 points93 points 8 months ago
sigh
The Big Bang Theory describes the first moments of the universe; it does not posit that that caused the universe to exist.
[–]glasschamber 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
Science is based on formal cause, not efficient cause (religion).
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
TIL. Upboat for a short interesting philosophical read.
[–]dontshowtoenails 17 points18 points19 points 8 months ago
This reminds me about the conversation I had with my uncle, when I was a about 12 years old and an obedient catholic boy. We got around to the conversation about God creating man and my uncle asked me, or challenged me by asking "who created God ?".
"huh ?"
"does God have a father ?"
"err..I think he just came into being" (with certain stirrings of doubt coursing within me)
"who created the 'being' that he came from ?"
I could clearly see how this could cycle through into infinity (such clarity probably because of sobriety) and was dumbfounded about the possibility that the tru creator was unfathomable.
Cue Sunday school a few weeks after with me pursuing this line of thought with the nun who was leading class, only to be told "Hush child, you are blaspheming when you question God"
And that was the exact moment that I realised that it takes a lot more ignorance to believe in untruths than to be an actual idiot.
After many journeys through exploring various religions and agnosticism and atheism, I have ended up with the belief that God is the product of a combination of the facts that our minds have immense imaginative capacity and the need to categorise things to make it less threatening to our existence.
[–]TheJBW 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
True, but none of these myths explain where their first creator came from either.
[–]FreeThinker76 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
The ever eluding answer to that is; then who created the creator?
[–]zhiril 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Carl Sagan said it best
[–]FreeThinker76 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yeah, I have seen this many times. I have the whole Cosmos series and I am subscribed to the Sagan Series too on Youtube. His argument here is one of my favorite very simple logic arguments I use all the time.
[–]eastrod[S] -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
haha i was wondering when this would come up. sure, we don't know what caused the big bang (creating something from nothing is impossible as far as we know) but the fact that there is evidence for the occurrence of the big bang makes it the religious beliefs seem extremely unlikely. that's why i'm an atheist. any logical answer to the question 'how was the world created?' is going to be incomplete because our knowledge of the universe is incomplete but i'll stick with the knowledge that we do have over some ancient fairy tales as cool as some of them may be (norse mythology ftw.)
[–]zkelvin 26 points27 points28 points 8 months ago
Sure, this evidence contradicts all other creation myths, but it is not itself a claim about creation. Ignoring this nuance will get you into some heat in debating religious folk.
[–]eastrod[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
very true. in my own experience (coming from a very religious family myself) i find the best way to handle this argument is to point out the fact that i honestly don't have all the answers and neither do they, despite their faith and religious experiences. personally, i found that admitting i didn't KNOW the answers to all of the big metaphysical questions to be the hardest adjustment when i finally gave up on christianity.
[–]auchris 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
There is far from a scientific consensus on the origin of the universe, and it is unlikely to ever evolve past mathematical models and incomprehensible metaphors. Stacking geology and evolution on top of an incomplete model and then smugly looking down at religion is awfully disingenuous.
I do, however, respect that you admit that you don't have the answers either.
[–]fuzzydunloblaw 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago*
In order of intellectual honesty best to worst:
1) Humbly admitting we don't have all the answers whilst struggling to theorize possible models that explain the universe given what knowledge we have scraped together as a species.
2) Positing that whatever god we believe in did all the stuff we don't know about yet via magic, with zero objective evidence to back it up.
edit: I guess a better way to put it is that admitting we don't know something is superior and more productive than professing we know something when we really don't, e.g. professing knowledge of a deity when such knowledge is thus-far unobtainable.
[–]Xujhan 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
You don't need to understand the theoretical underpinnings of mathematics to reasonably claim that six by four is twenty-four, and I will happily continue looking down on any adult who claims they have a magic book that says otherwise.
[–]AlsoSprach 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Turns out something from nothing might not be so impossible after all.
[–]Bolnazzar 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Until you talk to a religious person. They use a definition of "nothing" as lacking everything (including dimensions), meaning that by definition we can't get something from it. However, we have no proof of anything like that existing, now or ever.
[–]Azipod 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Something from nothing is only impossible in a causal universe. There's no reason to assume that causality existed before the big bang occurred.
[–]kilo4fun 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Correct. And when people ask "What was there before the big bang?" an easy answer is "That's like asking what's north of the north pole." Time (and causality) are property of our universe so asking what happened before the Big Bang or what caused the Big Bang is nonsensical.
[–]eastrod[S] 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
would this coincide with hawking's theory that due to the extreme force of gravity, light bent inward causing time to be non-existent before the big bang occurred? this is a gross simplification of the theory as i'm no physicist but i'm curious about this idea of a causal universe.
[–]Azipod 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Right after I posted that I thought of that too. There's also no reason to assume that time existed before the Big Bang.
As a general rule, if you don't have lunch with Stephen Hawking and his friends on a regular basis, I think it's best to assume literally nothing at all about what might have been before the big bang. One thing we have learned repeatedly over the years is that our minds are not at all suited to understanding the very small and the very high-energy, and the big bang originated from a point that was both. I would be rather surprised if the origins of the universe weren't much stranger than any idea we've come up with so far.
[–]camelCaseIsLame 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Careful with how you frame that. You can't posit a non-causal existence which has a cause. You can say, however, that the conditions under which there is extreme gravity are also the conditions under which there is no time and light does not move.
Another interesting thing to consider is that the foundation of causality is pure arbitrariness. It emerges from the accidental interactions of the energy fluctuations of the vacuum. That doesn't mean causality is not real, but it, and everything, is very strange...
[–]nubanx 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
creating something from nothing is impossible as far as we know
Not so fast.
I really wish more people watched this video, where Dr Lawrence Krauss spends an hour talking about how this Universe was likely to have been created from nothing, and it almost can't happen, with our present understanding of the laws that govern this universe, any other way.
[–]avelion 29 points30 points31 points 8 months ago
The Shinto one is surprisingly spot on for the first part.
[–]minno 23 points24 points25 points 8 months ago
A broken clock is right twice a day.
[–]Legio_X 40 points41 points42 points 8 months ago
A broken clock spinning at 3600 RPM is right 300 000 times a day!
[–]hippain 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
From the perspective of the observer, who could only check the clock once per second, it could only be right 606024=86,400 times. And that's best case. It's also possible for it to read incorrectly every time.
As for the perspective of the clock...
Does anyone really know what time it is?
[–]ringthing 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
25 or 6 to four
[–]Bloranyl 13 points14 points15 points 8 months ago
Thought the same thing. Also notice the length of the explantion on both Shinto and Science.
It most go something like this: Norse>Science>Shinto>Other religions.
[–]f3n2x 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
"real" (philosophical) daoism even more so. It's probably because it has it's origin in philosophy and observation rather than mythology.
It's basically like this: At first there was wu-ji (emptiness, zero), then it became tai-i (singularity, one) that split into tai-ji (duality, two, symmetry) that forms and defines everything. There are quite a few similarities to many fields of science from cosmology to particle physics.
[–]kingssman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Not bad for lack of carbon dating, electricity, computers, compasses, fossil records, astrophysic theories, universities, CERN, atomic radiation knowledge, periodic table, and pretty much anything we've enjoyed in the past 300 years.
[–]whiteknight521 21 points22 points23 points 8 months ago
I thought the Norse one involved Ronny James Dio screaming the universe into existence, I guess I was wrong...
[–]Sandinister[] 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
"And Dio spake unto the void, proclaiming: 'HOLY DIVER! YOU BEEN DOWN TOO LONG IN THE MIDNIGHT SEA!' and the heavens and firmament appeared. And Dio saw that it was good."
[–]cmlowe 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Fun fact: Dio is Italian for God
[–]operonandonandon 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
... and now that will be stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
I admit I once watched a VH1 metal video countdown (yes, I'm over 30 and had absolutely nothing better to do that night) which described Ronny James as having the most amazing, powerful voice, but the body of Carla from "Cheers."
[–]hobogenius97 41 points42 points43 points 8 months ago*
I don't get why you're arguing for Norse mythology by posting their badass creation myth in /r/athiesm
*atheism
[–]imasunbear 25 points26 points27 points 8 months ago*
I think all atheists can agree that Norse mythology is a perfectly viable alternate to the Big Bang and the theory of evolution.
Also, this is /r/atheism, not /r/athiesm
Edit: Okay, seems some people don't grasp sarcasm. Obviously any mythology, be it Norse, Greek, or Christian, is not accurate. It was a joke.
[–]MyriPlanet 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
My god, it's like a graveyard of people who failed to spell the subreddit right, like a subterranean village of people who don't realize there is life on the surface, in the light of the sun.
[–]XPEHBAM 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Ok I clicked on that link....maybe we should send a rescue party to that subreddit or something?
[–]lop987 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago*
I'm glad you recognize those as mythologies.
Everyone know there are no gods! The closest thing to a god is of course Amaterasu!
EDIT I fucked up my knowledge of Shinto even after having just read it about it again. I am dumb.
[–]chapter_1 13 points14 points15 points 8 months ago
I have a problem with the myth put under the Chinese Yin Yang symbol, as that symbol is representative of Daoist ideals. That myth is considered as non-Chinese in origin, as the original, older Chinese creation myths does not have a god as a creator.
Here is a better creation myth from China:
"There was something featureless yet complete, born before heaven and earth; Silent – amorphous – it stood alone and unchanging. We may regard it as the mother of heaven and earth. Not knowing its name, I style it the "Way." (tr. Mair 1990:90)
The Way gave birth to unity, Unity gave birth to duality, Duality gave birth to trinity, Trinity gave birth to the myriad creatures. The myriad creatures bear yin on their back and embrace yang in their bosoms. They neutralize these vapors and thereby achieve harmony. (tr. Mair 1990:9)"
and another one associated with Daosim: "Before the Great Plainness (or Great Basis, Taisu 太素) came to be, there was dark limpidity and mysterious quiescence, dim and dark. No image of it can be formed. Its midst was void; its exterior was non-existence. Things remained thus for long ages; this is called obscurity (mingxing 溟涬). It was the root of the Dao. … When the stem of the Dao had been grown, creatures came into being and shapes were formed. At this stage, the original qi split and divided, hard and soft first divided, pure and turbid took up different positions. Heaven formed on the outside, and Earth became fixed within. Heaven took it body from the Yang, so it was round and in motion; Earth took its body from the Yin, so it was flat and quiescent. Through motion there was action and giving forth; through quiescence there was conjoining and transformation. Through binding together there was fertilization, and in time all the kinds of things were brought to growth. This is called the Great Origin (Taiyuan 太元). It was the fruition of the Dao. (tr. Cullen 2008:47)"
TL;DR: Native Chinese creation myths does not contain a godlike creator, instead it is more about creation from nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_creation_myth
[–]poktanju 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
There's a general antipathy on the part of people who make witty pictures like these towards researching things related to China, even historically. So thank you for clearing things up a bit.
[–]confused_boner 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Carl Sagan - The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.
Sagan, Carl (1985). Cosmos. Ballantine Books. ISBN 978-0345331359. p. 258.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_views_on_evolution#Day_and_Night_of_Brahma
Buddhism does too.
[–]PuzzledJigsaw 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Just wanted to point out that norse mythology is not a written religion, the eddas are not like the bible. The eddas was written a couple of hundred years after most of scandinavia was christened. Norse mythology was told by mouth and a more accurate statement would be along the lines of: "Evidence: Because the elders said so"
[–]HelenAngel 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
My favorite creation myth is one that I learned about in Cultural Anthropology. The native inhabitants believed that the great god created people (native inhabitants) by whittling male and female forms from a sacred tree.
Then one day a woman went out and found a rock shaped like a penis. She masturbated with it and somehow got pregnant. The village scorned her and exiled her. She gave birth and all her descendents are everyone else in the planet who are NOT those natives. In fact, the word for their tribe (whose name I have forgotten) means people and everyone not in their tribe essentially translates to "non-person."
[–]Waking_Phoenix 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's hilarious.
[–]Krazen 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
I'm convinced. Norse it is.
[–]xxxtriplexxx 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Note to self: memorize the Chinese myth of creation and use it next time some Christian asked me if I believed god created the world. If they disagree then pull out the Chinese card. Win-win
[–]Jakovo 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Adding the Greek myths would be nice.
[–]sum_dude 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
In the beginning, Genesis, 'let there be light.' Could that be a metaphor for the Big Bang?
[–]Bloranyl 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I'm Danish. Everytime someone say our country is build on christian beliefs I get offended; It's clear build on the Norse mytology.
Also it's awesome that is all.
[–]Buffalox 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Usually they say Christian values, and I'm afraid we haven't rid ourselves completely of almost 1000 years of Christianity yet. This year parliament decided National Television (DR) should focus more on our Christian heritage and values.
Luckily we (the Vikings) were among the last to accept Christianity, and it seems we are among the first to finally reject it again.
[–]basec0m 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Religious people... please ask questions. Please explore your beliefs and why you believe them.
[–]Rushbomb 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Say what you want about the various creation myths, but the symbol used for Norse is awesome.
I sat staring at all of them for a full 5 minute after reading this, and I have to agree, that although yin/yang and science are also good, the Norse is the coolest IMO. The other 3 are not even worth considering.
[–]Lt_Dipshit 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Judeo-Christian is the shortest. It clearly wins.
[–]thecontraryseagull 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Science: tl;dr
[–]justanotherguyd 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
The time of big bang predicted by Science matches with that of Hindu literature. Not advocating any religion but read it somewhere. #notvedas. :)
[–]JHuddly 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Religions are based on faith? That is groundbreaking stuff.
[–][deleted] 8 months ago
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God put red shift there to test our faith. Havent you heard?
Hey! I don't care what you say about Christianity or Buddhism or whatever, but lay off the Norse!
Don't make me sic my moon eating pet wolf Fenrisulfr on you!
[–]GrievousDingus 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Isnt it funny how similiar they all sound just different wording?
[–]muffin_car 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I personally don't have a problem with what Shintoism is about morally. Their myths are interesting, and I enjoy talking to some of the priests.
[–]Pisodeuorrior 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I misread "judo-Christians" and for a second I felt... uncomfortable.
[–]redgreenandblue 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
These are all wrong. We finns have always known that the world is originally formed by a duck that laid an egg that exploded.
True story.
[–]erebose 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
To be fair Japanese people don't really care about creation myths. Most people have either never read ancient texts or flatly don't care. Chinese culture is also largely concerned with pragmatics and not so much with metaphysics. Yes the creation myths are fantastical, but the cultural impact doesn't even compare to the judeochristian one.
[–]jackanapes8 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I'd love to see this list with more myths, like from the Hopi, Maori, or assorted African tribes.
[–]djozzman1 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
When the two atoms collided, only a "Bazinga" was heard.
[–]LBORBAH 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=BUMBA
In the beginning, all was dark. Then out of the darkness came BUMBA, a giant pale-skinned figure. He was not feeling well. In fact he had not been feeling well for millions of years. He was lonely, and the unbearable solitude was making him ill.
Troubled by a ballooning bellyache, he staggered, moaned and vomited
This nauseating display was brought to a triumphant conclusion when, as an encore, he vomited forth nine animals, an assortment of humans, and a pile of diced carrots.
Then he left never to be seen again.
A real reddit god forever alone and drunk.
[–]UandV 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I don't care about religion, but anyone who is anywhere near satisfied with the scientific explanation is an idiot.
[–]Hacksandlies 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Why not include Islam? The Quran says the universe is ever expanding, which is a result of the big bang theory.
[–]wonkifier 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I love that it says "most likely" under the science side... acknowledging that it is not a statement of absolute truth.
[–]daaaaaan 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
You do realize that all those religions officially subscribe to what is believed scientifically to be the origin of the universe, right?
[–]cipher64 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Let's forget about religion, can anyone in the light of the big bang theory and all claim that there isn't even a 1% chance that there is a creator involved at some level in the evolution/creation of this universe? Now vote this comment down without answering.
[–]UnicornsBeforeJesus 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
You're asking someone to design an experiment that can be tested to find/observe/communicate with this most elusive creator. Religion calls this "praying". Good luck scientifically authenticating and proving the effectiveness of prayer. God speed.
The fuck you said? He's making that point that because it can't be experimentally determined is the exact reason to keep an open mind given the awe inspiring world that surrounds us. Design an experiment lol
[–]UnicornsBeforeJesus 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yes, being "shock and awed" must immediately mean a mystical man in the sky created everything around us. That is clearly a win for logic. lololol
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
The named evidence for 'science' is missing the most important and basic one: Logic.
[–]agnt007 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
appeal to discredited authority. great argument.
the world or the universe? unclear.
that is not the actual hindu reasoning.
overall unconvincing, but very effective for karmawhoring.
[–]thewayitgoes 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
you may actually be surprised to know that evolution and the big bang are ideas that are not only compatible with Judaism, but are also widely accepted by many Jews today...
Science doesn't deserve to be compared to all that other bullshit in the image but nice job nontheless.
[–]VonKlumpf 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
Oi. Norse is NOT bullshit. S'alot more interesting than that Christian stuff anyway...
[–]I_Love_Judge_Judy 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I agree with you, but i have a certain ammount of respect for the 3 before science since they are not widely beleived today ( as far as i am aware anyway ) + they have some pretty cool stories and myths behind them. Hell, i even respect Hinduism a little bit for that matter, but not Christianity its kinda serious and lame - no one-eyed gods with six arms, flying on clouds etc etc.
[–]optional_funk 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I do wonder if in the future people will look back and say how stupid and naive we were.
[–]thecontraryseagull 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Sometimes I wonder if maybe they won't. But then I remember how stupid and naive we are.
[–]Trashcanman33 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Umm, the large majority of Christians and Jews do believe in the science of how the universe was made, do people really think they don't?
[–]TheMeddlingMonk 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
There are just some really loud ones who don't
[–]Trashcanman33 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's true, but they are the minority, and it seems that most people on Reddit think they are the majority.
Using this in ANY debate I have with someone on religion
[–]eastrod[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
hope it comes in handy! as for ev232's response; when did presenting facts and evidence become an intolerant and extremist response to religion?
[–]motobro77 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I dont understand why Athiests think the creation story in the Bible is to be taken literally. It is not a science book, and so should not be used as evidence to prove the existence of (a) God. As a Christian myself, I do believe in evolution, although I do believe it was guided by God and was his tool for creation. Atheist or Christian, they are both religions, seeing as both are based on faith.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
It staggers me how ignorant people are. I am an atheist yet I understand that most of religious books are metaphorical. These religions were way ahead of there time, trying to teach a set of moral values to a mass of highly un-educated people. If everything in most 'holy' scriptures was meant to be taken 100% literally by its believers (of which I am not) then they would contradict themselves many times. This is where extremists come from and why it is such a big problem (terrorists or westboro baptist church).
[–]danski 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Okay. Man is created and gets lonely so woman is created. They then get tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake and as a result women get painful childbirth and everyone gets kicked out of the garden.
What is it metaphorical for?
[–]darkjohnnyboy 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I had to read the kojiki for school, made no sense whatsoever
[–]Doodlelala 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Norse has the coolest symbol. Clearly it wins. Bring the Thor back into THORS-day and the FREYA back in FREYA-day. Vote for me 2012.
[–]covert888 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Now a days I have yet to meet a japanese who actually takes to heart the myths of shintoism but instead honors the tradition behind it due to culture and family.
[–]mogulman31 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It should be noted that a scientific law is mentioned as evidence and laws by definition do not explain nor provide a reason but merely provide a way to model phenomena. For example ohm's law provides V=IR thru means of empirical study but does not explain why electricity behaves in such a manner, see also newton's laws which are as well statements of what occurs but do nothing to explain why forces and inertia exist
[–]tazer84 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
You kind of have it backwards. Models are used to express scientific laws. The model itself need not be derived through empirical data (it can be derived purely theoretically), but it must be in accordance with empirical data to be considered an accurate representation of the law.
Electricity works the way it does because of the electro-weak force. Newtonian mechanics works the way it does because of gravity. If your asking why the fundamental forces of physics work the way they do, then I believe that question falls under the realm of the anthropic principle.
[–]euxneks 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
You know, the science one is absolutely more astounding and interesting.
I agree, but think of how interesting religion was when people were preliterate.
What, that's how we came to be, no way!
[–]Anonymous_Bosch 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Pedantic perhaps, but babies suck and mothers suckle.
[–]joonjoon 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
YSK: Buddhism has no creation story.
[–]conet 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
As with their belief in gods, the answer is "fuck, who knows, don't worry about it"
[–]allwittynamesaregone 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
"Most likely created"
So we don't know!?!?
[–]Commander647 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Of course we don't know, nobody can know for sure, but lets go make up a fairy tell in that case and call it Christianity.
[–]allwittynamesaregone 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago*
I agree no one can know for sure, so let's just be adults and admit we don't know.
[–]elpekardo 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I think this post fails to satirize other religions' creation stories, because they are so badass and just as interesting as the "actual" one. I wrote a play on all these different creation stories, and it was SO fun to perform. I'm an atheist, but Ymir is a badass motherfucker. I'm sorry.
[–]IRLpuddles 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That image of an atom is horribly outdated! Use this instead!
[–]sinndogg 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That only works for low-electron atoms though! Once you get above two electron shells, then you start to get the dumbbell-shaped orbitals.
This is the best upload to /r/atheism I have read so far. Thank you
[–]PirateVikingNinja 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
DO not lump such a noble belief system as norse religion in with those others.
[–]VisualAssassin 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Did anyone else notice the math is off for the Chinese Myth? If everyday for 18,000 years the Earth grew 10 feet thicker, it would be 65,700,000 feet thick (Diameter) According to everything I can find the Earth is 41,851,443 feet in diameter. Whats up with that?
[–]ForAwhileAlone 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Creation myths are not known for accuracy but hope this helps: The original text used 'Zhang' which is 10 'Chi' (Chinese version of foot which is often translated as such). A 'Chi' varies from 23 cm to 36 cm throughout history. However for the math to work, A 'Chi' should be around 19 cm.
[–]VisualAssassin 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I was more or less jokingly pointing it out, but I was unaware about the 'Chi' an appreciate your input.
[–]Kintali 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Fixed: Evidence for scientific.....Hypotheses never proven, but turned into theories.
[–]Carmine87 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Ladies and Gentlemen please choose from this fine assortment of outlooks on life to shape your very integrity from now until the day you die. Choose wisely, because it is clearly a difficult decision!
[–]NeverfailMode 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Sometimes I get annoyed by this ongoing argument between atheists and religious folk, specifically concerning creation. While the Big Bang does have more evidence to suggest why/how/when it happened than any religious theory, scientific studies are often (or always, depending on the scope) a work in progress. That being said, the religious explanations are all reminiscent of mythological folktales. I'm far less concerned with the origin of humans than I am with the future of humans.
scientific studies are often (or always, depending on the scope) a work in progress.
That's science for you. Still better than saying a cosmic version of a father figure/local animal did it.
[–]ss4mario 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Actually, the basis of Judaism is to ask as many questions as possible and interpret things. While some people Do in fact leave that out, it's because they're stupid. Most Jews do in fact believe in evolution. Creationism =/= religion.
And I'm fairly sure that they generally acknowledge that the Genesis myth - which they created, from memory - isn't meant to be taken literally.
[–]triptrap 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Well the beginning of the Shinto myth could be interpreted as gravitational collapse of hydrogen clouds after the BB, and after t he first generation of stars, the separation of dense from lighter materials by similar mechanisms...
[–]ColdIronNail 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
To be perfectly fair, the Eddas also have an awesome insult-fight between Thor and a ferryman (possibly Odin in disguise?). So say what you will about the sources of different mythos, the Norse are the most fun to read.
[–]Ares111 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The earth has been existing 1/3 of the time the universe exist and the humans exist for 1/1000 of earth's time? We are much more "important", than i thought we were, but still much less important than most religions think.
[–]rikkirachel 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I just think it's fascinating how many creation stories there are from every civilization (and most happen to start with creating their part of the world first, fancy that.) :) Super interesting!
[–]ignite14 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
All these creationist stories are very interesting. They show a lot about the history of human cultures.
[–]HaggarShoes 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago*
Re-Read Genesis 1 and 2... Eve was created from the rib of Adam in chapter 2... while they were created at the same time in Genesis chapter 1. Go go contradictions on the first page!
Psst. They're stories. One of the most conservative men in this history of Christianity could tell you that over 1500 years ago.
[–]MehNahMehNah 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Meh - Science is so... wordy.
[–]Shanksays 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Just a small correction. Vedas do not give any info on creation mythos. Most of it comes from vishnu puran. Just FYI
[–]the_great_ganonderp 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It's funny how close the yin/yang thing is, at least in rough terms, to the theories suggesting that the universe was able to come out of nothing as a member of a virtual particle pair that somehow managed to escape annihilation.
[–]saint666 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It's kinda funny that I don't see anything about Buddhism.. I am a Buddhist myself and I have been taught that, according to Buddhism, the universe was created by the big bang, and planets were formed from this cosmic dust that come together via multiple reactions; a lot like what science has explained to us. I don't consider myself a religious person, but I would like it if r/atheism can also criticize Buddhism, so I, myself, can learn and think about some things that I may have not think about before.. Thank you..
AFAIK Buddhism has no creation story. He was sort of anti-pursuit of god.
[–]Brudus 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The universe was formed by the great Akatosh. Any idiot knows that.
Blessings of the nine upon you all.
[–]lockfinn 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I wanted the last reason to be, "It says so on Reddit."
[–]monkaybox 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
How about Muslims? it's pretty close to the scientists but there are some significant differences.
[–]hegz0603 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Just and FYI: the Roman Catholic Church DOES recognize the universe being very old (in accordance with scientific findings) and DOES support the theory of evolution. source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution
It sure is nice living in an era where all this fancy electricity and radiation detectors and carbon dating can exist so we can put it down on our fancy computers.
It would suck living in an era where fire is our only source of light and walking is our only mode of transportation.
[–]jacobtaylor1987 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
And they're not to be taken literally.
[–]TownieMoses 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
One thing that has always upset me about posts like this; Why can't Atheists just let people believe what they want to believe. Churches and other religions sects around the world donate a HUGE amount to charity and help those less fortunate around the world every year. Can't you just live and let live? The vast majority of religious people would never dream of pushing their beliefs on anybody else, but Atheists sure do.
[–]IntergalacticTire 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Actually, this post is quite mild compared to all the other posts in r/atheism. It's seemingly geared towards fundamentalists, as it mainly argues against religious creationism, which many Christians don't literally believe in. Many other posts in r/atheism just straight up bash religious people, which I believe is what turns many people off to this subreddit.
And although what you said about religious sects' donations is mostly true, that doesn't make it irreproachable or beyond criticism. And posting atheist content in an atheist subreddit hardly counts as pushing religious beliefs down people's throat. I can see where you're coming from, though, as this is a default subreddit. In that case I would advise you to unsubscribe.
[–]TownieMoses 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Good... Lord... sir, I applaud you. I have unsubscribed from /r/Atheism long ago but every now and again I forget to log in and end up reading things like this that just seem entirely unnecessary and to have a negative effect on the general image of atheists. But the last thing I expected out of this subreddit was a reasonable and logical response to a comment opposing the way atheists do thing. Again, I applaud you, this may be the first upvote i've ever had the human spirit to give on /r/atheism.
[–]deiangu 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
If you really want an answer here you go: http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/blogpost/17?BlogComment_page=12
If you are just ranting about it and don't intend to read, then please just follow IntergalacticTire's advice and usubscribe from the subreddit.
[–]soulcube 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
According to Islam....
[–]thesnooka 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
And when you look at the evidence, It is only so because we say so. I am not bashing it I am just raising this question: How many licks does it take to get to the center of the galaxy?
[–]senorjamz 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Hmmm isnt the Hindu one fairly close (not the cobra bit!) in that the universe is in a never ending cycle of creation and destruction? Arent we still unsure how many big bangs have happened, what happens with the infinite expansion of the universe etc...quite impressive for a religion over 4000 years as well as the others starting with the creation of the universe, while the abrahamics only go from when a wild god appeared.
[–]Rusty-Shackleford 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Thank you for your chart. You have convinced me that my irrational belief system is holding back societal progress and peaceful solutions to humanity's enduring problems. We're just one little planet full of humans that are basically the same. We're in it together! So today I've decided, for the betterment of my personal life and the well-being of mankind, to give up this science nonsense I've been brainwashed into believing by the public school system. Tomorrow, I will begin my quest to become a viking. It's the one true way!
[–]ItsBruceHere 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
In the worlds before Monkey, primal chaos reigned. Heaven sought order. But the phoenix can fly only when its feathers are grown. The four worlds formed again and yet again, as endless aeons wheeled and passed. Time and the pure essences of Heaven, the moisture of the Earth, the powers of the Sun and the Moon all worked upon a certain rock, old as creation. And it became magically fertile. That first egg was named "Thought". Tathagata Buddha, the Father Buddha, said, "With our thoughts, we make the World". Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch. From it then came a stone monkey. The nature of Monkey was irrepressible!
[–]59ekim 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Wasn't it Adam and Lilith?
[–]juraj 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This all holds true, but let's not forget that the author of the Big bang theory, Georges Lemaître, was a Catholic priest. (I am not a Catholic apologist, just trying to be objective.)
[–]pmckizzle 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Man the Christian one is so lame compared to the rest
[–]idma 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
If anybody has any beliefs in any religion they should be just put away. They don't contribute to society
[–]pcahnteh 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I take issue with the 1st category. It is really the Judeo/Christian/Muslim myth. All of those religions came out of the same area: the Middle East. I don't believe in Middle East myths, nor any of those other countries.
The first 3 columns are classified by the name of their myth. The next two columns are classified by region of land on Earth. Therefore, the first 3 columns should be Middle East, India (maybe they call their country Hindu and English renamed it,) and Japan (definitely renamed. They call it Nippon.)
[–]igot8001 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Shouldn't this be in r/science, since it has nothing to do with atheism?
[–]rpeg 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yeah :)
[–]nixonneckweasel 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Was the use of 'created' in the title intentional or just mildly ironic?
[–]exlonghorn 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Can some Christian explain to me how...if we are all decedents of Adam and Eve...the various races came into being?
Oh...did some searching...apparently the Bible has a convenient explanation for all this. The Bible tells us how the population that descended from Noah's family had one language and by living in one place were disobeying God's command to “fill the earth” (Genesis 9:1, 11:4). God confused their language, causing a break-up of the population into smaller groups which scattered over the earth (Genesis 11:8-9). How exactly did confusing their language cause the populations to break up and scatter over the Earth? Why would I go live in Tibet or Siberia just because I have a differing fluency?
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