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[–]Yetee 184 points185 points ago

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[–]senormoll 122 points123 points ago

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I emailed this to my 2004 self for a good chuckle.

[–]MustStopMasturbating 51 points52 points ago

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Shit. 2004 was 7 years ago...

[–]senormoll 68 points69 points ago

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ಠ_ಠ

Yea, it's time to stop.

[–]larkable 9 points10 points ago

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But I can't stop masturbating! :(

[–]viagravagina 2 points3 points ago

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I have no choice. It never goes away.

[–]TedFromTheFuture 1 point2 points ago

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I did the same thing!

[–]Different_Boner 12 points13 points ago

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[–]ShockerOnShockStreet 89 points90 points ago

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Have a mac and I enjoy not needing Midi drivers. Plan on building up a gaming PC in the next year. Seems like the two systems have their own perks as using Midi on a PC is just as awful as gaming on a Mac.

...Uhh, I mean, Genocide to the hipsters!

[–]mazinaru 68 points69 points ago

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What? Are you saying you can use BOTH devices for their strengths!? Preposterous!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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That's why I game in Windows and do work in Linux.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points ago

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People who can afford lots of shit generally aren't the ones who become fanboys to a single product.

[–]laddergoat89 11 points12 points ago

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There are also those of us who can only afford one and still aren't raging fanboys.

[–]mazinaru 3 points4 points ago

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I think there is more truth to that statement than even I realize.

[–]afishinthewell 9 points10 points ago

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Genocide for everyone!

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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I was surprised when my midi controller "just worked" when I plugged it into a Mac.

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[–]honestlydude 6 points7 points ago

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That would be pretty fucking awkward.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Haha, I had the exact same problem with my powered midi controller that a friend was using for a gig at the local. The power cord was bumped out and Windows refused to accept it again without a restart. My friend just didn't bother, as a restart of his Windows machine would have taken almost two minutes (or "an eternity" according to him), so he just played old recordings.

[–]colinstalter 3 points4 points ago

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The same is true with printers. No drivers needed! They just print.

[–]BernzSed 1 point2 points ago

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And the best part? I don't need to have sixteen HP processes running in the background just to print.

Fucking HP.

[–]sonolumin 1 point2 points ago

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Mac: Coda, CS5, Final Cut, Xcode

PC: AutoCAD, Solidworks, CATIA, [games]

Both are good for, well..um, what they're good for.

[–]Elliott2 2 points3 points ago

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I play games on my mac. its not that terrible... then again I dont have a macbook pro

[–]immerc 1 point2 points ago

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I have both a mac and a PC, and it is that terrible to play games on the mac. The games that work work great, but the selection is still terrible, and the best you can hope for is that the games work almost as well. Often, they're pale imitations (of course, many PC games are poor console ports these days).

[–]Elliott2 1 point2 points ago

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I will agree with you that the choices for mac are poor but idk about it being a pale imitation. then again I play mainly blizzard/bioware games on my mac, everything else is console for me now. I no longer felt like building PCs.

[–]winteriscoming2 3 points4 points ago

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Is it really worth buying two separate machines for this? Can't you just add a decent Midi card to the PC and save about $1,500 instead of buying a second computer?

I have no problem with idea of using the right tool for the right job, but there is an economic efficiency consideration as well.

[–]ShockerOnShockStreet 5 points6 points ago*

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PCs need drivers for every Midi device. This is pretty crippling; to the point where software companies often only make a Mac version of their product because troubleshooting with PCs on something you intend to use on stage is a tremendous waste of time. Sometimes one computer is responsible for not only samples and beats, but also signal processing for every mic on stage. I don't do anything that intense with mine and I kinda hate software synthesizers anyway, but when I was enrolled in a Music Tech program they only used Macs.

As far as economic efficiency, the cost of a computer is negligible when just one monophonic synth from my rig is valued at $1100. This can't play more than one note, let alone be used for homework, entertainment, and communication. And the way I see it, I'm replacing my Xbox 360 with a PC, not my laptop.

[–]resisttheurge 43 points44 points ago

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[–]nostalgicBadger 6 points7 points ago

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Yeah, I realized this right off the bat and downvoted the post. Appropriating content from xkcd for karma is a sacrilege.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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it isn't that hard to come to the conclusion reached in the xkcd article or the OP. it is possible and plausible that the OP did not read the xkcd before making this post.

[–]davvik 4 points5 points ago

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I ran into this problem all the time when I worked at staples.

Someone was looking for a laptop that could handle "Graphically intense" things... They finally told me that they thought graphically intense meant looking at pictures online....

[–]blondeflo 10 points11 points ago

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Soon there will be grammar check.

[–]Racemic 5 points6 points ago

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Identical until you want to play a game.

[–]Toribor 10 points11 points ago

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[–]Iheartmilkshakes 13 points14 points ago

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<3 my Mac for developing. <3 my PC for gaming. That is all.

[–]Niallo92 17 points18 points ago

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While this may be somewhat true for the majority, I needed access to some Mac-only applications. Also, LOOK HOW PRETTY.

[–]legion02 7 points8 points ago

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Just curious, but which applications do you use that there is no Windows equivalent?

[–]forgeSHIELD 2 points3 points ago

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There are some video editing and music editing software that are Mac only.

[–]Niallo92 0 points1 point ago

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The university I study at only teach Mac applications like Final Cut Pro, Aperture (and Photoshop), Logic Studio etc. Yes I understand there's windows equivalents but they get the newer versions on release (apart from the FCX fiasco) and distribute them to all students. I wouldn't be able to afford to keep up with getting newer versions of photoshop etc. My mac was a little on the expensive side, but I know it's an investment. My old macbook is still very capable after 4 years, compared to the Dell, HP and Thinkpad laptops that all either died or deteriorated in speed and build quality after a year or so.

[–]Clairex 2 points3 points ago

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I think You may have just been unlucky with your PCs. In my house we have 4 dells all running perfectly after 7 and 5 years. One Macbook which is also running well after 5 years. My friends who have had issues with their laptops have been fairly evenly split between PC and mac. I just don't think you can claim that a PC would necessarily have been any worse based on your own very limited anecdotal evidence. You can simply say you like it without having to exaggerate, it makes an argument stronger.

[–]consequencegamer 35 points36 points ago

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What people forget to realize is that when it comes to a MAC vs PC, you are paying for hardware too. Sure I can buy a $400 PC, but the mac has a longer battery life and is much stronger.

Look at a Lenovo PC, you can find them in the same price range as a mac. Why? The build is better.

Mac software is usually cheaper than windows too...so the mac vs pc argument is flawed and stupid.

[–]THEJAZZMUSIC 40 points41 points ago

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I've built about 4-5 PCs for myself over the years, but when my wife was looking for a laptop, it didn't take long before I recommended she buy a Mac. If I were in the market for a laptop, I'd probably do the same.

Nobody in the PC market pays as much attention to design and functionality as Apple. Cheap plastic cases, mediocre displays, shitty keyboards, and ho-hum trackpads all par for the course. On a desktop, it's moot; I can buy whatever keyboard and mouse I want, whatever monitor I want, whatever speakers I want, whatever case I want, and make those decisions on a case-by-case basis. On a laptop, you're buying the full package from a single manufacturer. If the manufacturer doesn't ensure the full package is great, you won't have a great experience. Period.

Compare the cost of a MacBook Air to that of other "ultrabooks" on the market. Their prices aren't exactly stratospheric.

[–]Silenced_is_Foo 10 points11 points ago

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Not to mention what happens if you snag the power-cable. On a Mac: cable disconnects.

On a PC: you have to tear it down to the motherboard to fix the port you just broke.

[–]Yangoose 5 points6 points ago

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A Thinkpad may not look quite as cool as a macbook air but I'd compare their design and build quality to an Apple any day of the week. Those things put up with ridiculous abuse and just keep on chugging.

[–]THEJAZZMUSIC 1 point2 points ago

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True, and for someone who's looking for a purely utilitarian laptop, that'd be a good choice. An i7 Thinkpad isn't exactly cheap though. You're still paying a bit of a premium.

[–]iAboveTheClouds 14 points15 points ago

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I'm on my work computer ThinkPad T400 right now but personally own a MBP. Both are titties.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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Can't argue with titties.

[–]MikeHoncho85 1 point2 points ago

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I'm writing this from my MBP whilst I troubleshoot code on the T410. The new ones are boss.

[–]nerdfighterelle 1 point2 points ago

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I'm really not knowledgable on the computer-lingo, I'll leave that fancy smancy talk to the computer science majors and fanboys, but I do believe that PC's are a lot more versatile. Macs seem like fancy cars that are basically uncustomizable unless you take an expensive trip to the specialty dealer. Whereas with a PC you can take some Top Ramen and a used condom and turn it into a supersized off-roading monster machine. Granted, most people don't care to customize their computers, so I get that my point in this instance is borderline invalid. But I really don't think it's fair to compare them.

I have to admit, in my line of work, the software I need is most frequently produced on the mac OS first, and then the PC equivalents are usually crap and difficult to navigate. But people who say that macs are impervious to viruses, and never break and have longer battery life are, well, misinformed. I have three Apple products thats battery life is almost 1/3 less than the PC equivalent. Just my personal experience. Downvote me for lack of facts if you will.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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I made this argument to a coworker months ago. He found a thinkpad that was $100 less (with discount) than a macbook pro, and it had slightly lower hardware specs than the macbook.

I was like, "So my statement holds true." Him: "$100" Me: "Less than a 5% of the price difference and MSRP is the same."

I learned real quick not to talk to fanboys. He wouldn't leave me alone for the next week even after I did not respond to a any of his comments.

[–]consequencegamer 13 points14 points ago

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Fanboys are the same as religious nutcases, you can tell them anything but they only see what they want to see.

[–]anderson7 2 points3 points ago

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hence "cult of mac"

[–]idiogeckmatic 4 points5 points ago

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There's a cult of PC too.

[–]Gh0stRAT 2 points3 points ago

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Not entirely related, but *nix has The Church of Emacs vs The Cult of vi

[–]andbloom 5 points6 points ago

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Then... what?

[–]Lukinzz 2 points3 points ago

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Where do I get these $200 laptops?

[–]lazerbeem 2 points3 points ago

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Fedora 15 here, never gotten a virus, never had my system crash, never freezes, linux systems (used to use ubuntu) I've had have lasted much longer than any mac or pc.

[–]Zikro 2 points3 points ago

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Is everyone conveniently forgetting the trojan outbreak on OSX just several months ago? We're only going to see more of it in the future.

[–]Zao1 68 points69 points ago

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Why must PC user's continually reaffirm themselves that their consumer electronic device choice is better than other peoples?

Who cares? These are so ungodly old it's not even funny anymore.

[–]RheagarTargaryen 5 points6 points ago

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I have no regrets purchasing a MBP. This thing has never fucked up in the slightest way in 3 years. It starts up in 30 seconds, the battery still lasts 6 hours, it's light enough for me to carry to class, and when I shut the laptop, i can pull the screen back up instantly when I reopen it (any other laptop I've ever owned would take about a minute).

[–]MananWho 6 points7 points ago

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The thing is, most computer users do this, whether they use PC, Mac, Linux, or some other operating system. The reason it may seem like PC users do this more often could attributed to the fact that there are more PC users.

This is less to do with PC users and more to do with people in general. Far too many people need to justify the choices they make by shitting on the choices they didn't make. `

[–]LOLasaurusFTW 16 points17 points ago

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Umm wasn't it apple that started this whole "I'm better than the other guy because of X" argument?

Either way people should use what suits them

[–]obvious_karma_whore 57 points58 points ago

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OH MY GOD, YOU MEAN A COMPANY ADVERTISED THAT THEIR PRODUCTS WERE BETTER???????????????????????

[–]aloneandeasy 12 points13 points ago

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Most companies advertise the features that make their product great, they don't make petty attack ads which highlight perceived weaknesses in their competitors.

For example you've never seen a Ford ad that says "Doesn't accelerate unless you ask it to"

[–]jayfehr 14 points15 points ago

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"Better than the leading brand" commercials would like to have a word with you. Apple just replaced "leading brand" with the generic term "PC"

[–]Contanias 4 points5 points ago

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They implied that their users were more "hip" than PC users. And, as we see here, Mac users get butthurt when they are judged for owning a Mac.

[–]jayfehr 9 points10 points ago

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Mac users get butthurt when they are judged.

FTFY - no one likes to be judged, why does it matter that my personal computer preference is different then yours? I don't care what commercials Apple put out a couple years ago, it makes no difference to my day-to-day use of their product.

[–]davepople 3 points4 points ago

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There is a difference between the people making and selling the product and the people buying you know

[–]laddergoat89 6 points7 points ago

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Apple users aren't Apple the company.

[–]Leadpipe 1 point2 points ago

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I think you've missed the point. It is that they're functionally identical. I don't know how you could get more antithetical to the whole "My brand of computer is better than your brand!" thing.

[–]JavaLSU 2 points3 points ago

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This goes both ways and both sides are retarded when they argue.

[–]Seref15 7 points8 points ago

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"Hi, I'm a Mac..."

Yeah, those weren't a continual (televised) reaffirmation to themselves that their consumer electronics choice was better than the other people's.

[–]laddergoat89 5 points6 points ago

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Apple users aren't Apple the company. They don't dictate what they do in marketing.

[–]cuntdestroyer21 3 points4 points ago

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That's marketing. The customers themselves didn't produce that commercial. What's bothersome is PC people who constantly shit on Macs just because they're for "casuals" and idiots. Both Macs and PCs are good, and the difference is, for most people, how it looks and the status that goes along with it.

[–]Seref15 5 points6 points ago

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Yeah, see, most commercials talk about how good their product is, not by insulting their competitors (and by extension, everyone who supports that competitor).

[–]laddergoat89 1 point2 points ago

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Why are you being downvoted for this?

Oh, I just remembered the thread we're in.

[–]Slippyy 7 points8 points ago

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THANK you. I couldn't agree more. I don't give a shit that I have a mac, nor do I care that you have a PC. Relax people, just use what suits you best and be done with it.

[–]p0diabl0 8 points9 points ago

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HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY HAS A MAC.

[–]donbvonb 1 point2 points ago

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HEY EVERYONE MACS ACTUALLY ARE QUITE AFFORDABLE NOWADAYS

[–]CummingOnKittens 2 points3 points ago

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IT'S MY MONEY AND I NEED IT NOW!

[–]thedevilmaybaww 34 points35 points ago

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Other than the fact that I enjoy computer gaming...

[–]theregularlion 4 points5 points ago

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Or the fact that I develop Unix software for a living...

[–]_jamil_ 10 points11 points ago

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Parallels, boot camp, etc...

[–]winteriscoming2 5 points6 points ago

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Apple hardware costs more, so there is no reason to start with an Apple. Unless there is something on the Apple OS side of the fence, why even bother with that? For a gamer, just buy a PC and install windows which can do 99% of the things that people want to do. If you need to do that small 1% of exceptions consider if Linux (free) will do the trick. If not, then look at buying a second OS.

[–]jayfehr 3 points4 points ago

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If your primary purpose of owning a computer is gaming -- and I don't mean that in any derogatory way, it's a valid use of a computer -- then don't look at Mac's they will not have a product that suits you. However, there are other tasks that people need to use computers for, and those may be best fulfilled with a Mac. Best tool for the job.

[–]winteriscoming2 4 points5 points ago

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I think that there are three tiers with basic recommendations for a desktop:

Gamer - Get a PC

Budget/Moderate level computer for standard user - Get a PC

Non-gamer looking at high-mid and up - Consider both a PC and an Apple.

Laptop for everyday tasks:

Low end - PC

Middle tier - PC, slight consideration for Apple

High end - PC or Apple

Laptop for gaming:

Don't

Phone:

All tiers - Consider Droid vs iOS.

[–]laddergoat89 4 points5 points ago

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Unless there is something on the Apple OS side of the fence

You just hit the nail on the head. These exist.

[–]winteriscoming2 3 points4 points ago

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OK, but they don't apply for the vast majority of users. These users, if they want to game, are better served by Windows in almost all cases. One user posted about needing professional level MIDI sound, which would be a good example of an exception.

[–]Qayl -2 points-1 points ago

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You are saying that people should buy Macs and then install Windows?

Why not the cheaper other way?

Just buy a PC and whenever you want to watch gay porn boot up in hackintosh or use VirtualBox

[–]themapleboy 4 points5 points ago

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Hackintosh is significantly more difficult to setup than bootcamp. Just saying.

[–]legion02 1 point2 points ago

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But the things that you can't do in OSX > the things that you can't do in Windows.

[–]themapleboy 1 point2 points ago

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Relative really, full proper terminal access is a big + for mac imo. But i use all 3 so i don't know. (each has its own strengths and weaknesses)

[–]legion02 2 points3 points ago

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I use linux for my primary but need to keep Windows around for gaming. It's unfortunate that no single OS can accommodate what I use my PC for.

[–]JackpotDen 1 point2 points ago

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You sir, are awesome.

[–]Skyy-High 2 points3 points ago

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Ooooor you could just not bother and use the one that does what you want it to do automatically?

[–]BlazeOrangeDeer 5 points6 points ago

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Bootcamping takes maybe an hour. After that you have two operating systems that both work just fine.

[–]legion02 5 points6 points ago

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From what I hear, performance and battery life in windows blows. Not to mention that Macs usually have poor gaming hardware (graphics cards in particular)

[–]delti90 3 points4 points ago*

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The 15" and up MBPs are actually quite good for gaming, once you install Windows. XD

Edit: Funny, when I mentioned this on /r/gaming a few months ago I was downvoted into oblivion.

[–]Qayl 9 points10 points ago

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And cost only about twice of a laptop with the exact same CPU and GPU

[–]delti90 11 points12 points ago

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I never said it was a financially smart choice, just pointing out that they can in fact, run games.

[–]tofuligans 7 points8 points ago

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A CPU and GPU does not equal a computer.

I've been shopping for a new laptop for a few months, for professional photo editing and general use, and all signs are pointing to a Macbook Pro.

Can you show me a 15" laptop with the same specs, hi-res screen, battery life, and weight/slimness (I'm a bicycle commuter, so this is an important factor) as a macbook pro?

If you get anywhere close, I assure you the price will be near the same. I'm willing to shell out an extra 200 dollars for the fit & finish, durability and excellent user experience and customer service that comes with the mac.

[–]vbevan 1 point2 points ago

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Asus zenbook

[–]ballsackiusMaximus 8 points9 points ago

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Take any one of Lenovo U series laptops and you have a computer that feels nearly as good as a mac (awesome keyboard and glass trackpad), has the same or better hardware, and costs half the price. Plus they have switchable graphics cards to save battery. I own the 460 and go from six to midnight every time I use it. Over and out.

[–]Qayl 0 points1 point ago

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Thats completely another point.

We are talking about gaming. For example i know some gamers that have their Macbook always at home and use it for gaming/facebook only and still insist that Macs are better. Hell they even have Windows 7 installed.

Sure they might be better for you, but not for everyone

[–]Qayl 0 points1 point ago

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Thats completely another point.

We are talking about gaming. For example i know some gamers that have their Macbook always at home and use it for gaming/facebook only and still insist that Macs are better. Hell they even have Windows 7 installed.

Sure they might be better for you, but not for everyone

[–]laddergoat89 6 points7 points ago

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But can then run 2 OSes.

And in my opinion OSX is a superior and more enjoyable OS to use, then Windows for gaming. Best of both worlds.

[–]SilverHammerMan 1 point2 points ago

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Upvote for "than". So refreshing...

[–]troger66 14 points15 points ago

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Get linux

It´s free and it comes with lolcats

[–]PLJNS 14 points15 points ago

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Hell, there's a programming languages that's in lolcat speak. LOLCODE, it's called.

[–]Alaukik 24 points25 points ago

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HAI
CAN HAS STDIO?
I HAS A VAR
GIMMEH VAR
IZ VAR BIGGER THAN 10?
    YARLY
        BTW this is true
        VISIBLE "BIG NUMBER!"
    NOWAI
        BTW this is false
        VISIBLE "LITTLE NUMBER!"
    KTHX
KTHXBYE

woah!

[–]spazmodic- 7 points8 points ago

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I always laugh at what was chosen for the commands..

my favourites: CAN HAS STDIO?
BTW this is true
KTHX.... KTXBYE

[–]censored_username 6 points7 points ago

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the loop command is still the best:

IM IN YR LOOP

UP VAR!!1

IZ VAR BIGGER THAN 10? KTHXBYE

IM OUTTA YR LOOP

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[–]Typhun 3 points4 points ago

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No, PC guy wins because he was the neurosurgeon on BSG and he was the fifth panelist on QI.

[–]exoendo 3 points4 points ago

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i feel like i've been here before . . .

[–]Poltras 2 points3 points ago

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All of this happened before.

[–]faraway5 10 points11 points ago*

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Macbook > any other laptop I've ever seen. The hardware is simply amazing, I got converted to Macbook two years ago and I love it. I was converting slowly my friends to macbooks also. I have yet to see any other laptop's touchpad to be reliable and intuitive. So reddit, does any other laptop have the same multitouch pad as on mac books?

Also I have a windows gaming desktop that I just use for games, I build my win systems so they're dirt cheap.

[–]sphigel 2 points3 points ago

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I order a lot of different laptops for my work and I can say that I haven't seen any Windows laptop with a trackpad anywhere near as good as those on a MacBook Pro. I order a lot of Dell Latitudes, Dell Precisions, and Lenovo ThinkPads and some Sony Vaio Z series and they all have horrible trackpads. They are pathetically small. I don't understand why they still make them so tiny. Multitouch is horrible. I don't know if this is because of crappy trackpad hardware or driver issues but its absolutely pathetic compared to a MacBook. Multitouch on a MacBook is basically perfect as far as I can tell. It feels like your fingers are actually moving the webpage manually. Zero lag and zero problems. No one else seems to be able to do it and I don't know why.

[–]Pabloxanibar 12 points13 points ago

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My apple laptop is 4 years old. I admit that I have it because I don't know jack shit about computers, but despite that fact, and the fact that the extended warrantee expired over a year ago, the genius bar still fixed my computer and gave me a new battery absolutely free of charge. I think that's a good enough reason to pay a little extra up front.

[–]caughtinahustle 3 points4 points ago

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The new battery and fixing of computer is sporadic among customers. Most of the time, they charge you for that. You were probably lucky, cheers.

[–]Pabloxanibar 5 points6 points ago

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I don't think it's luck, because I've had multiple incidents where things were fixed for free, and have heard of a lot of similar incidents from my friends.

[–]caughtinahustle 5 points6 points ago

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Maybe it's because it was something small like a battery. But in my case, keyboards, screens, touchpads, fans, and harddrives all required $$ to be fixed. Who knows.

[–]atlas44 1 point2 points ago

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A new battery cost me ~$200. Just saying.

[–]smegroll 7 points8 points ago

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Cue everyone piping in on the strengths of both platforms while completely missing the point that most people who buy a macbook air are getting a $1200-1600 Facebook browser/word processor and to look hip while sitting in lecture.

[–]sittingbox 6 points7 points ago

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Well hang on.. It's not just a name now...

"

  • $1000 USD to fix something? We will do it for free!

  • Oh your iPhone headphone jack isn't working? Here's a brand new one with the box and a new pair of headphones too!

  • Oh your logicboard(motherboard) broke? and the alone costs 1500 with your 17 inch? Ah just back your shit up, we will give you a new one out of the box!

  • Oh your iPad is stuck/frozen/the charger port doesn't work? Hmm... well I suppose we will just have to give you a new one!

  • Oh your iTouch doesn't work anymore? Well you're not covered under a warranty but hang on here... Oh well since it's only part X, and such, just back it up, bring it back in and pay for the repair fee which will be like $15. "

Where as I own both apple and pc products here's my experience with anything PC

"

  • Are you sure it's on?
  • Did you plug it in?
  • Oh that part isn't covered by any sort of warranty and it will cost more to fix it than it would to just buy a new one
  • Have you updated your drivers? Well first you have to... etc etc
  • lulwutumadbroyourmotherboardandcpubothcrappedout thesamedayandcan'tfixitwithoutpayingouttheass?

"

I love em both, but when I get shit from manufactures because of a faulty product, they should replace it and I shouldn't have to pay a dime. If you were to get a warranty for each piece of hardware in your computer did you know that's almost another 500 dollars more than it should have to be, which would be free.

tl;dr - I hate these topics.

[–]kooknboo 7 points8 points ago

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Just bought a Macbook Pro. I'm 100% a convert after using Windows since v2.

Price difference compared to an identically equipped Thinkpad? About $200 more. The best $200 I've ever spent.

This "1k more" thing is just a fallacy.

[–]420foy 9 points10 points ago

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Well, in all fairness, Macs can run Windows a helluva lot easier than a PC running OSX...

[–]eulerfoiler 18 points19 points ago

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That's a limitation of the OSX software supporting (mostly) only Apple products driver-wise. Windows on the other hand will work with almost any hardware you throw at it.

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With some careful purchasing I have a Mac Pro equivalent computer that cost me $900 including the monitor. Me likey the hackintosh.

[–]pikmin 1 point2 points ago

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no apple care though :/

And the frame probably isn't as sturdy.

[–]StudleyMumfuzz 3 points4 points ago

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This this and this. As a developer, this is the main reason why I purchased my MBP.

[–]xume 2 points3 points ago

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But I always feel better when I pay more for something.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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DAMNIT REDDIT. How exactly are you paying 1k more for the Mac name? Jesus fucking Christ get a grip...

[–]fishsaysno 1 point2 points ago

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chromebook user here. everything's ok.

[–]RubyBlye 1 point2 points ago

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Damn! Just as I was viewing this the display on my G3 Bondi blue blew, and it's only 12 years old.

[–]bunnyish 1 point2 points ago

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Downvote for using 'then' and not 'than' in the title.

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This is becoming more and more accurate every day.

Between Citrix, VDI, and web applications... It matters less and less every day what OS you're running.

[–]Yangoose 1 point2 points ago

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This is why I love my chromebook. I don't use a laptop for anything but a browser anyway.

[–]AnarkeIncarnate 1 point2 points ago

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THAN

[–]EKcore 1 point2 points ago

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Hold on Reddit. How many of you are anti-Corporation and are looking at a mac right now and have your iphone in your pocket? If you say yes you are a Hypocritical Hipster and your argument is invalid. GOOD DAY.

[–]SUPDUDE 1 point2 points ago

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love my mac(s) yeah I got 2; thats how I roll; both pros, one macbook and one mac; my mac pro even runs win7 like a boss so i can game all I want

i sometimes go on chat roulette on both my comps and try to find myself

[–]voldemortoutbitches 1 point2 points ago

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Ah yes, Mac vs. PC... the oldest and most useless debate on the internet.

[–]RogueEyebrow 1 point2 points ago

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Exaggeration does not help your cause.

[–]goosebumper88 1 point2 points ago

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My favorite is this right here

[–]degoban 1 point2 points ago

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not true, Mac is supposed to be the machine of the retard that spend a stupid amount of money to look at a browser. While pc users usully use the pc, otherwise they buy a mac.

[–]Darktidemage 1 point2 points ago

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and if you do MORE than look at lolcats, like say you play starcraft 2, then the cheaper one is functionally superior.

[–]BattleSausage 10 points11 points ago

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As someone who fixes laptops and cell phones for a living, I can tell you that most windows based laptops are a joke. The quality of the case components, screws, hinges and screens are laughable compared to a Mac. You can compare a Mac to an Asus with the same specs, but when you tear them down to their individual components, you can easily see where the extra money goes. This is why a Mac can go for many years without a broken hinge or dead fan, where a windows-based machine will usually need both in the first 18 months.

[–]mazinaru 9 points10 points ago

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Interesting thing about PCs and your job, attribution bias. You see PCs are made by multiple vendors, wanna guess which ones are going to go through your store? The cheap crappy ones people break. Of all the PCs I've ran over the years only two of mine have ever needed repair due to design, one was a HP laptop, HP being well known for cheap material. The other was my ASUS, the only model in a long running series to note hardware problems.

The dozen others lasted longer than I could keep them.

[–]BattleSausage 3 points4 points ago

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I suppose. I mostly see Macs, since my company mainly advertises and fixes Apple devices. Most all of the repairs are from people doing dumb shit to their laptops, whether their kid steps on it, drops a pool ball on it, or liquid damage. But once you get into them, the quality of design and components are MUCH better than HP/ASUS/Dell, etc. Obviously a hard drive is a hard drive, and RAM is RAM, but honestly, have you seen then way Gateway runs their WiFi antennas?

[–]thethreadkiller 8 points9 points ago*

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Sometimes when I pull out my Droid, people will look with concern and say, "Aww, why didn't you get an iPhone? You know you can get them for less than 100 dollars now?" They think that because I don't have an iPhone, I must be poor, or just dumb.

My usual response is, "Pull out your battery, I want to show you something neat."

Edit: Derpy quotes.

[–]OoogaOoogaYoink 5 points6 points ago

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You can add slide out your keyboard, turn on your flashlight, plug this into your micro USB port, plug this into your micro HDMI port, and plug this into your micro SD card slot to that come back as well.

[–]fap_de_oaid 2 points3 points ago

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your quotes are messing with my mind

[–]thethreadkiller 1 point2 points ago

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Oh my god I am sorry. I will fix it.

[–]nerafreccia 11 points12 points ago*

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Prices from Newegg:

3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 $189.99

Average Mobo $99.99

Samsung 2560 x 1440 resolution monitor $899.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001523)

4GB (two 2GB) memory $25

1TB hard drive $149.99

AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB $349.99

Case $99.99

Keyboard and Mouse $99.99

Random DVD writer: $30

Total price from newegg: $1944.93

Apple's price with same specs: $1999 (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC814LL/A?select=select&product=MC814LL%2FA)

Yeah bro a whole $50..so overpriced!

Not to mention that the price of Windows isn't considered here. Also, not to mention that OSX Lion runs circles around Windows 7.

Also not considering the "look" of an iMac. You only need a single cable for your whole system. How pretty is that.

Oh I forgot to add in a sound card which would make both about even in price.

Only thing you can say is that there's not much of an option to downgrade the monitor. Even then it just means that Macs are expensive which is NOT the same as overpriced. You're just being forced to buy expensive stuff but you're still paying market price for what you're getting.

You can say Macs have limited hardware options, can't really upgrade, shitty for gaming, etc. but you cannot say that they're overpriced.

tldr: Macs vs. buying components separately cost almost exactly the same but you're not getting all the niche Apple stuff and you're also not getting Mac OS.

[–]harry-manback 12 points13 points ago*

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Comparing a 6970M to a desktop 6970 is just silly. Take $200 off that and you can get a card equivalent to a 6970M for a desktop PC.

EDIT: Essentially a 6970M is equivalent to a desktop 6850 (which is still even slightly faster) Proof: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970m-mobility-radeon-eurocom-panther,2847-3.html More proof: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4340/27inch-apple-imac-review-2011/4 (scroll halfway down)

Also, the desktop 6850 ($150) costs $200 less than a 6970 ($350). Whether you were trying to be intentionally deceptive or just ignorant of the differences between a desktop and a mobile GPU, your post is misleading, but I doubt you will fix it.

[–]egzy 3 points4 points ago

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Then you find out that not everyone lives in USA, prices are different somewhere else and Macs with the same specs costs at least twice as much.

Additionaly Notebook verison of 6970 is a lot weaker than it's PC version, shitty Mac keyboard and mouse are for sure not worth 99$.

[–]loercase 5 points6 points ago

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I'll just mention that I agree with everything except OSX Lion being good. It's fucking terrible. Snow Leopard was great, but Lion just fucks everything but the newest generation of Macbooks, they should warn you before you install it that it will run like rubbish.

[–]Kurat 19 points20 points ago*

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1) The Radeon 6970M is a mobile video card, used in the iMac for size. You would never buy a mobile card for a PC desktop and pay that much. The Radeon HD 6790 is a desktop version that has slightly better performance and costs $130.
2) You don't need to add a soundcard, all "average" PC motherboards come with built-in sound.

New Price for PC: $1,814.94

Now let's upgrade, shall we? From your Apple configure link:

3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 [Add $200.00]
16GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x4GB [Add $600.00]
256GB Solid State Drive [Add $500.00]

Apple Price: $3,299.00

Now the PC:
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz - $320
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 1333 - $140
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB - $370

New PC Price: $2,189.96

Summary: upgrade the Mac and the PC, and you've now paid an extra $1,109 for the same equipment. Your move.

EDIT: I just realized the Apple memory was 4x4GB, which is cheaper. You can get CORSAIR XMS3 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin 1333 for $75

[–]meeeeoooowy 6 points7 points ago

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I just built a new pc and got ~ the same result. I paid at least $1k less. Didn't skimp on anything either. Not to mention an SSD and blu-ray drive aren't available with iMacs...

[–]Kurat 3 points4 points ago

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I forgot to mention the main advantage of paying $1,100 less for a PC over an iMac. When you want to upgrade the system, you don't have to buy another $900 monitor.

[–]wpm 0 points1 point ago

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No one is forcing you to get the upgrades from Apple, which admittedly gouges RAM and hard drive prices. No one slightly savvy enough is going to buy from them. And you might say that someone isn't. Sure, but they probably aren't going to be shopping around on newegg for the best RAM prices, because they don't care.

This is $200. You can use the SSD you spec'd for the PC in the iMac.

RAM might also be cheaper for the 27" iMac because it has 4 slots rather than two, so you could just put in 4 cheaper 4GB cards.

[–]physco827 0 points1 point ago

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And we have a winner.

[–]voidborn 8 points9 points ago*

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Well let's take a few things into account. First thing is that the manufacturer warranty on the parts you listed as the IBM based PC are MUCH longer than the default Apple Care package length.

Apple Care default = 1 year.

Hard Drives = 3-5 Years Motherboards = Depends on the company, anywhere from 1-5 years RAM = Lifetime Keyboard and Mouse = Depends on if you get it from Logitech. (basically forever)

You also miss out on upgradability by going with Apple products. You buy the computer, then you decide that hey, this computer needs to be upgraded because it has been 5 years. What parts can you upgrade from that old iMac and make it better? Answer: Hard drive and RAM only.

I would gladly pay 50 dollars less for up to five times the warranty period on some items. Futhermore I would love paying 50 dollars less for unlimited upgradability and an open system which can be utilized for gaming as well as any other task that can possibly be done on a computer.

So in regards to the price factor, I'd say that crazy warranty basically decides how many hundreds less you will be paying.

Also, in terms of reliability for iMacs: I work at a school. We have a Mac lab for tools who do web graphics design. At least 4 of those iMacs, in a small classroom of 9 iMacs, have had to have their logic boards replaced within the first year. Watching the quotes from the on site company who services them (thank god we had a good Apple Care package) was really something to laugh at. ~400 dollars for 2 DIMMs worth of ram?

What you say is deceptive too. For example, you use the iMac as a price point to compare to PCs when you should be using Mac Pro. Let's do a price rundown.

Mid-Range Mac Pro: $3,499.00

Specs: Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere”

Memory 6GB (six 1GB DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM

Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5

Hard disk drive 1TB Serial ATA (3Gb/s); 7200 rpm

PCI Express Three open full-length PCI Express 2.0 expansion slots with mechanical support for 16-lane cards; 300W combined maximum for all PCI Express slots

Warranty = 1 year for everything

Similarly Configured IBM based PC: $1909.85

Processors: Intel Xeon E5620 Westmere 2.4GHz 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 quantity 2 ($780) (3 year warranty)

Motherboard: ASUS Z8NA-D6C Dual LGA 1366 Intel 5500 ATX Dual Intel Xeon 5500 and 5600 Series Server/Workstation Motherboard ($260) (3 year warranty) (also 3 PCIx slots too, just like mac pro)

RAM: Kingston 1GB DDR3 1333 quantity 6 ($47) (LIFETIME warranty)

Mouse: Logitech G500 ($60) (3 year warranty, also can be fucking weighted to your liking on the fly)

Keyboard: Microsoft Sidewinder x4 ($50) (warranty length unmentioned but there are videos on youtube where kids pour a whole pint glass worth of water onto one and NOTHING happens)

Power Supply: Antec 1000W ($150) (5 year warranty)

Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM ($150) (3 year warranty)

Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ($160) (2 year warranty)

DVD Burner: Lite-On SATA $21.99 (1 year warranty)

Video Card: XFX 5770 Juniper XT (OVERCLOCKED version with LIFETIME warranty) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150447 (Before deactivation it was $130)

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium ($100)

As you see it's a bit more than half price AND the warranty periods are WAY beyond default applecare. Not to mention the quality of the items are BETTER. If you order these parts from newegg (save for the video card of course) you get sweeteners like the game World of Tanks and USB Memory Sticks.

*the reason I didn't compare base mac pro is because the nehalem processor used in it is out of mass production so the price has skyrocketed, like with all out of circulation xeon processor chips

fucking waste my life proving your deception

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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now do it for a laptop!

[–]Qayl 10 points11 points ago

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You are completly right (4 links)

[–]Softcorps_dn 6 points7 points ago*

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Ok now do it again with 8 GB of RAM. Also, a $350 Radeon card will have 2 GB so you're off by another $100 on the Mac price. You forgot a power supply for the PC, so add $100. DVD writers are only $20, and you don't need a sound card (on board mobo is fine).

New Mac price: $2299

New PC price: $2000.93

edit: found the monitor for $60 less on Amazon

[–]Titan357 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah really, look at that garbage $200 for 4 more gigs?

[–]Excellente 6 points7 points ago*

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An average mouse/keyboard does not cost $99.99, a video card with 1gb of ddr5 memory does not cost $350, you can get an average 27in monitor for around $300

[–]nerafreccia 19 points20 points ago

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If you're buying one with the same resolution as on the iMac, then yes it does cost $900 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001523)

And $100 for keyboard and mouse is cheap compared to what you're getting on the Mac. In reality, a wireless mouse keyboard combo of that quality will cost you about $150 from Logitech or whatever.

Once again, Macs are expensive but not overpriced.

[–]Excellente 1 point2 points ago*

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A white membrane keyboard that has the apple logo on it is not a "quality keyboard," the same thing can be said about Apple's "airports," an overpriced white router

[–]cr3ative 3 points4 points ago

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Please show me an alternative router which can stream music to my optical receiver / stereo / act as a print server too / etc. For the same money. I'll wait.

[–]mazinaru 10 points11 points ago

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We use a $30 Linksys for everything, handles our wireless printer, Apple TV and sometimes a dozen wireless clients just fine.

With exception of my computers, I run off a different router due to us having a oversized building with a lot of signal noise, I opted for a seconf router a little closer to the basement.

[–]deadgreystar 7 points8 points ago

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The thing people forget is the Apple displays are IPS panels - look how much a 27 inch Dell IPS monitor costs (newegg currently sells one for $980.

IPS monitors are miles better for image quality and any professional videographer or photographer worth their salt uses a calibrated IPS panel, hence why so many designers etc use Macs.

[–]legion02 3 points4 points ago

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These aren't expensive because of the panel type. They're expensive because of the native resolution. I have 4 30" Dells on my desk at work, 2 IPS 2 Not. They cost about the same look about the same (in general though print graphic artists may notice a difference) and cost about the same.

[–]lethic 12 points13 points ago

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Apple monitors are not average monitors. They're generally closely calibrated and color adjusted for graphics work.

[–]JimmyJamesMac 10 points11 points ago

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I have both Mac and Dell monitors, and both look just fine, and neither is good enough for color corrections by eye. Good designers don't color correct by eye.

[–]repster 1 point2 points ago

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uhm, bzzzzzt.

I calibrate all my monitors using a squid and I can tell you that there is no significant difference in the calibration required for Dells and for Apples. Incidentally, most graphic artists I know dislike Apple displays because they are glossy.

Apple's monitors are generally different from generic Dells because Dell uses standard 1080p panels and Apple does not. Smaller volume means higher prices.

[–]Toribor 0 points1 point ago

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Are you fucking kidding me? My build is twice as good (with great brand name parts too, not cheap bullshit) and cost barely $900. Did you just price out the most expensive parts you could find?

[–]legion02 6 points7 points ago

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He's trying to compare mobile parts to their desktop equivilent. IE the 6970 vs 6970M. The i5 in the mac is also a mobile unit I believe. The pc he build would blow the doors off his imac.

[–]Titan357 2 points3 points ago

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Thats what I was thinking, I built a PC almost 2 years ago and the only way its higher than the mac is if I throw in my TV cost.

I got a AMD 6 core at 2.8 with 8 giggs of DDR3 1066. Along with a stormscout case and 750W PSU. XFX 5870 and two 500G WD HHD. A G500 mouse and lighted keyboard, along with the other things, you know CPU cooler and such, was really close to $1,550.

[–]Softcorps_dn 7 points8 points ago

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You missed the $900 monitor to match the resolution from Apple.

[–]meeeeoooowy 5 points6 points ago

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I personally think combining a monitor with your comp is retarded. A $900 IPS monitor will outlast a computer. You are forced to buy a new monitor if you want to upgrade. Apple makes way more money this way.

[–]Softcorps_dn 4 points5 points ago

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I agree. And if any component of your Mac dies on you, the entire thing has to go out for service. There's no quick fix.

[–]ladysansa 3 points4 points ago

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Guess what, Reddit?

"If someone else's choice of computing platform makes you angry and agitated, there's something wrong with you."

[–]Wraith12 1 point2 points ago

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So we shouldn't get pissed off when people buy $1000 hdmi cables at best buy?

[–]merecido 0 points1 point ago

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1K more? That's not accurate. My time is worth money, and my Mac gives me FAR LESS trouble than a comparable winbox ever has. That, and since its based on BSD and I don't have to spend tons of money/time/hassle with antivirus crap. For work machines, a Mac is a good choice for a desktop. You say these things w/o being an apple fanboy, although everyone lumps you in with them anyway.

[–]tyrantlytamale 2 points3 points ago

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*than

Also, it's maybe a few hundred dollars more. I paid $900 for my Macbook, so unless you got paid to buy a PC...

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[–]jayfehr 1 point2 points ago

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You don't stray far from gaming boards do you? I see this same argument everywhere.

[–]lookwhatimade 2 points3 points ago

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I'm a pc user for life, but if all you're doing is browsing lol cats, you're probably better of with a mac to avoid virus issues.

[–]DisplacedLeprechaun 1 point2 points ago

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Hey, know what's funny about this whole debate? PC people don't seem to realize that when I buy a Mac, I'm paying for the Genius Bar, the ability to browse porn without worrying about viruses, the ability to use all the Mac software (which is usually incredible compared to the closest windows counterpart software), AND being able to do everything a PC can do. Yes, including gaming.

So really, I'm getting a much better computer experience for the extra money. Worth it? Yes.

[–]Daref59 0 points1 point ago

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Did anyone else imagine them saying the last block of text in unison?

[–]kidknowledge 0 points1 point ago

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All in all, the difference isn't that great at all. Only fanboys make a big deal about this stuff. Want to know the biggest difference though?

One is called a Mac. The other, a PC.

[–]ab26 0 points1 point ago

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This thread is kind of like the Neo (The One) of Reddit. With every re-iteration of Reddit it reappears. I have never seen it show up this quickly after a reboot. Interesting....

Time to end the machine war?

[–]fick_Dich 0 points1 point ago

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p.s. th A n.

[–]darrrrrren 0 points1 point ago

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[–]rparker122 0 points1 point ago

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*than

[–]putin_my_ass 0 points1 point ago

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*than