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An interesting view of death. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 9 months ago by inferno719
[–]mleczko 189 points190 points191 points 9 months ago
i am not afraid of being dead, it's dying that worries me.
[–]FreeDirt 47 points48 points49 points 9 months ago
As a volunteer at an ice cream parlor in an elderly home, I understand too clearly what you mean.
[–]K_in_motion 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
I hear you, I am an EMT, things can get depressing in there.
[–]fearachieved 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
DId that for a year, left for that reason.
Keep up the good work bro, I respect you more than you know.
[–]K_in_motion 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Hey thanks man, its great to hear something like that.
I actually think its put death into perspective for me. It doesn't matter what race, creed, ethnicity, good person, bad person you may be. We're all headed there someday, so show respect, don't treat old people like children, treat them like the great people they are, and realize the great feats and success they may have had during their rich lives, and then contemplate your own meaningless existence in comparison, many of them are WW II vets and deserve everybody's utmost respect...realize that they're just like you, fast forward a few short years.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I almost went into that profession. Heard how rough things can get and low pay to boot. Do you plan on staying with it?
[–]K_in_motion 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I'm currently in medic school, and plan on sticking with it through college, I love it so much, despite the low pay (which isn't awful seeing as the OT is great). I wouldn't trade the life experience this job has given me for anything. Also, there will always be sick people, always be accidents, ect ect, which is great job security in todays scary economy.
[–]cyberslick188 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
Anything ama worthy? I sense potential.
[–]FreeDirt 50 points51 points52 points 9 months ago*
Doubtful, unless you like sad/bizarre stories. I've been doing it for three years. The ice cream parlor is near the Alzheimers wing.
The saddest one was an elderly father came with his daughter to the ice cream parlor. They were eating, the father looking rather dejected. The daughter kept asking what was wrong, and he would mumble something about trying to get home to see his kids.
She kept reminding him that she was his daughter. Stephanie, I think her name was...no...Susan? Whatever.
Anyways, they made small talk, he was being overly polite. Then she started talking about her kids and how they were doing in school and whatnot. I don't recall, but I don't think he said much. They finished, and they got up to leave. She said she was leaving soon. When she hugged him, he didn't hug her back. I'll never forget what the conversation turned into next.
"Dad, do you know who I am? It's Susan..."
"My little girls' name is Susie...that's very nice of you to bring me to get ice cream. Thank you. I have to get back to the house to see them now."
Edit: I accidentally some words.
[–]demon1255 34 points35 points36 points 9 months ago
Alzheimers is just painful to watch develop.
My grandmother doesn't remember me anymore. In the span of 1 and a half years I became a stranger, even though I regularly visit her.
[–]FreeDirt 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
I'm very sorry. Yes, yes it is painful to watch.
I'm not sure which is more painful. Watching an Alzheimer's patient slowly succumb, or watching someone get dementia suddenly. Are they the same thing?
Anyways, it seems that the dementia patients are more likely to walk around holding dolls, or carrying potted plants from one room to the next.
Alzheimer's patients are more likely to be off in their own little world, or freaking out about something in their home from 50 years ago that they forgot to do - close the windows, fold the laundry, etc.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
I'm not sure which is more painful. Watching an Alzheimer's patient slowly succumb, or watching someone get dementia suddenly.
The worst parts are the occasional moments of lucidity, wherein they are pretty much aware of what's happening to them. The realization of the loss of self. It's living death.
[–]RaptorJesusDesu 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I'm reminded of that man, I believe an English guy, who basically had the "Memento" issue. He could remember certain concrete facts about his past, but after a certain point there was nothing, and in his day to day life he could only keep any information in his head for about a minute or less. In fact he described it as like being dead, or continually awakening from some dream only to awaken again, as he was very aware of his condition but unable to do anything about it (it was caused by brain damage due to an extremely rare HPV(?) issue). Every time he saw his wife, he acted like it was the first time he'd seen her in years and gives her a huge hug. Has no idea how old his kids are or what any of them are doing with their lives, although he is repeatedly told so.
This was a viral video or something some time ago, wish I could remember his name. Interestingly enough, his procedural memory was still okay and he could play the piano (he was in some way deeply involved in music, might have taught it, I can't remember). Apparently though, the emotional impulses he would experience from playing the piano would at times cause neuronal firing in damaged brain areas, causing him to have seizures. Anybody remember this guy?
[–]ante_up 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
I watched my grandfather develop Alzheimer's, very very sad to watch happen.
To answer your question though, Alzheimer's is a main cause of dementia. It accounts for around 60% of dementia cases.
[–]demon1255 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
My grandma seems constantly concerned about a baby walking through church with no shoes on. She always says her feet will get cold.
[–]maddogg2216 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
I'd take Alzheimers over watching them wasting away from cancer like I've seen to many in my family do.
[–]alcakd 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
There is a fleck... in my eye...
sniffs
[–]damajed_goods 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Doubtful, unless you like sad/bizarre stories.
I hate those, that's why I spend so much time on the internet.
[–]cortesoft 17 points18 points19 points 9 months ago
I am not afraid of my own death, I am afraid of the death of my loved ones. And I also dread the pain my own death will cause them. The pain of death is carried by the living.
[–]lajksdgbiu 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
It's not dying that worries me, i just would've liked the opportunity see how this whole humanity thing plays out.
[–]elegylegacy 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago
Spoiler Alert: Entropy wins.
[–]bstampl1 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago
"INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER"
[–]Glassberg 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I LOVE YOU FOR THIS REFERENCE
[–]IdoTo 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
For the lazy.
[–]justguessmyusername 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Like all things it will eventually die as well.
[–]Zes 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Who says you wont?
[–]Omniabsence 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. - Isaac Asmiov
[–]highzenburg 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
I'm not too worried, it's probably just like before you were born. The transitions are what you should worry about.
[–]medlish 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Same here. Want to stress though, that I don't particularly want to be dead either.
[–]chester_k 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Epicurus feared dying as well, unless it was painless and unexpected
[–]hokasu 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Epicurus made the same point.
[–]peacebyfire 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Channeling George Carlin much?
[–]Velitatio 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Like the great philosopher Jeremy Clarkson said. "It is not the speed that kills you, It is stopping suddenly"
As soon as I find out I have some terrible illness or alzheimers I am pulling a Hunter S Thompson finale.
Edit- accidentally a word
[–]InspirationalQuoter 88 points89 points90 points 9 months ago
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” ― Mark Twain
[–]Entymologist 27 points28 points29 points 9 months ago
No Mr. Clemens, you were not.
For a person cannot be dead if he did not exist.
Is a table broken for all the years before it is made?
Is a pie eaten in the millennia before it is baked?
No Mr. Clemens, before you were born you were not dead, you simply were not anything at all. The same as you have become now dead, true, but the world is different than before you, because, just for a moment, you existed.
[–]mainsoda 16 points17 points18 points 9 months ago
Matter is neither created or destroyed and so it is with everything in the universe. Mark Twain was here millions of years ago and has not really left. He just changed form. So the original quote still stands in my eyes.
[–]shirtonbackwards 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Upvoted for good writing
[–]mainsoda 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Thank you
[–]fmyasitch 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
It is the same, because you aren't "dead", you just "aren't".
Again, so that you don't misunderstand me:
You just aren't. No state at all. For you, it's the same.
[–]That1GuyWitDaC4 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
where is this from?
[–]Billybones116 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Give him some poetic license. The 2nd definition of dead on wiktionary is "lacking life", so it's close enough that nitpicking just makes you annoying.
[–]InspirationalQuoter 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
This assumes there is an afterlife, which in and of itself is flawed beyond worth debating.
The table was nothing before, not broken, because then it would a broken table, much akin to a person with a broken leg. Still a person in existence.
You are conflating dying, death, and being dead. Let me break it down.
Dying – as the process of becoming dead, this process can be short or long, comfortable or extremely painful, but it is in fact part of a persons life story. Death – is the end of the process of dying, simply put: the cerebral cortex of our bodies ceases to function (this is where our consciousness resides). Finally, being dead – the state of non-existence which is not part of the life story. Being dead cannot be experienced, this is the stage that lasts for the rest of time, the nothingness, this is the stage that Epicurus means when he discusses death.
We were nothing before, and we will be nothing after. Concerning ourselves with either is a tedious process that should be left to people with nothing better to do.
[–]chillAF9212 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Absolutely brilliant quote from an absolutely brilliant person. Upvoted.
[–]jsblk3000 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Epicurean poet Lucretius (99BCE-55BCE). He says,
"that anyone who fears death should consider the time before he was born. The past infinity of pre-natal non-existence is like the future infinity of post-mortem non-existence; it is as though nature has put up a mirror to let us see what our future non-existence will be like. But we do not consider not having existed for an eternity before our births to be a terrible thing; therefore, neither should we think not existing for an eternity after our deaths to be evil."
[–]IzziTheEpic 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is one of my favorite quotes. I even had to alt+F to see if someone else posted it already. Happy birthday Mark Twain.
[–]wrenm 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
guess who makes this argument? oh it's Epicurus.
[–]Heavy_Rain 16 points17 points18 points 9 months ago
I loved that part when we read Epicurus in school. If anything, you should be afraid of dying (which may happen to be painful), but not death itself.
[–]Deathtiny 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Disagree. Dying may be painful or really awkward and inconveniencing, but it's being dead that bothers me a lot more. Just imagine all the things you won't be able to experience anymore.
[–]5py 27 points28 points29 points 9 months ago
Worst case scenario: you won't be able to imagine that.
[–]banuday 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
You won't be able when you get there, but you can imagine what you will be missing on the road there.
It's not nothingness itself that is scary, but the fear of loss.
[–]monkeyslikebananas 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago*
But you haven't lost anything yet. Once life is over, it won't matter. There is nothing beyond death. There is nothing to imagine. To me, it doesnt even make sense to try to imagine the state of being dead. That is trying to do something that is impossible. If you are imagining/thinking you exist you cant imagine not existing. Descartes put it best, "I think therefore I am."
Dont get me wrong, I used to get anxiety over thoughts of being dead but after years of thinking it through, I dont feel that fear anymore. There really is nothing to fear because once you die there literally is nothing to fear.
[–]wthrob 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Did you care about these things before you were born? Why do you think it will be different? Just wondering....
[–]jayssite 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Just imagine all the things you won't be able to experience anymore.
When you're dead, you won't mind.
[–]wishfulendeavors13 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
But...
[–]puzzledpomegranates 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Yeah, but practically speaking, what's the difference? I think if you point it out to most people, they would say "oh yeah, dying is the unpleasant part." Someone who believes in a pleasant afterlife shouldn't have much of a problem with the "being dead" part, but rather with the part where they suffer, emotionally and physically, as they fade from everything they know and care about. Atheists . . . well, goes without saying. This kind of distinction is cute at best. I'm not sure it really adds much of substance to the discussion of . . . what's the discussion about again . . . oh right, whether dying is pleasant or not.
[–]H37man 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
What do we say to the god of death?
[–]Entymologist 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
Not today.
[–]Pogo4pres 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
We let the answering machine take it.
[–]InvalidObjects 31 points32 points33 points 9 months ago
IMO, death is frightening. If there's no afterlife and it's all oblivion... that's why I think there's religion. People needed a concept to nullify the terror of their own mortality. They can't imagine themselves ceasing to exist.
[–]AtheistSteve 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago
I think the problem is that people have a hard time conceptualizing nothingness. Death will be nothing. There will be no more sensation, no more thoughts, no more worries, no more fears, no more insticts, etc., etc. It really isn't anything to fear you will not be able to fear anything when it happens, much like Epicurus said.
[–]s1thl0rd 17 points18 points19 points 9 months ago*
And yet, people have no problem conceptualizing that they did not exist before they were born. I suppose the difference lies in the fact that while you did not exist before birth, you can still learn about what happened in the past. This knowledge eases our nerves. The future on the hand is a dark veil that we cannot see until it is past; and while we will return to a state of non-existence, there will be no comfort for our nerves since we cannot know the future.
An interesting question to ponder then is: Would we be so afraid of death if we were to know the future? I propose that even if we know that we will enter a state of complete and total non-existence, by simply knowing what will transpire on Earth after we are gone, we would rid ourselves of our fear.
Too bad that's impossible... so far.
edit I a word. oops.
[–]AGaW 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I've never seen or heard of this explanation for the "fear of death" before, but it was brilliant. It makes tons of sense.
[–]PookySan1 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
well put...good shit
[–]Phalzum 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
I'm afraid of not existing. I know I won't feel anything at all because I'll be dead, but right now I am alive so I can be afraid of that.
[–]KittyGraffiti 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
It's the same for me. I'm scared of not being here. But the only comforting thought I have is that I really will be: the atoms in my body will be parts of new organisms and all that is around me.
I hate thinking about being dead.
[–]whitebishop 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Imagine before you existed. I would expect it's going to be the same.
[–]thephaw 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I find it interesting how you don't include yourself when you say "People" as evidenced by you saying "they" instead of "we".
[–]on_the_redpill 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Yes this is why it is referred to as an opiate
[–]jenniferwillow 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I've been to the oblivion plane. It is indeed a truly terrifying realm. I'll take non-existence over that any day.
[–]Jackismakingsoap 47 points48 points49 points 9 months ago
upvote for diablo font and for the message, also.
[–]a_drive 25 points26 points27 points 9 months ago
I came to say I could take it more seriously if it weren't in the Diablo font. Epicurus was right though.
[–]Jackismakingsoap 41 points42 points43 points 9 months ago
Yup, Epicurus is telling us just to stay a while and listen.
[–]a_drive 14 points15 points16 points 9 months ago
ಠ_ಠ
Begrudging upvote.
[–]sir_wooly_merkins 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Also, pass the bread.
[–]PrimeIntellect 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Came here to say this, knowing full well I would be beaten. The message was lost as soon as I saw those crossed "O"s. My mind was filled with SOJ's, trade scamming, hammerdin bots, and Baal Runs.
[–]JonnyGalt 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Stay awhile and listen!
[–]lerophon 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
This is part of Epicurus's Tetrapharmakos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrapharmakos I try to read it at least once a week to make sure that the little things in life don't stress me out.
[–]indrax 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
As much as I like Epicurus, we need to get working on longevity treatments.
[–]masterspeeks 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
No time for that. Gotta defund scientific research so we can buy more bombs to blow up brown people with a different imaginary friend. Did you hear they call their prophet Mohammed?
[–]TeCuervo 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
I keep on reading "Epicurious"
[–]Accipiter1138 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
Except the part between the two that hurts like hell, yes.
[–]LakeofJordan 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Not only is that a badass Picture, but a very thought provoking, and might I even say, comforting quote. Thanks for posting this friend.
[–]Do_not_trust_this 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
That picture made me remember this: http://i.imgur.com/o3ZYe.jpg
A fantasy book by Nick Perumov, loosely translated it's called "The diamond sword and the wood sword II"
The book is decent = ). (I'm swedish by the way)
[–]i_fuck_kids 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
The only thing that really scares me about dying is how it would affect my family
[–]_lerp 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
This quote only answers your own death, it doesn't really answer the death of others.
[–]brainburger 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
This is funny because we know Epicurus had friends...
[–]brainburger 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
True, but it has come to other people that I knew.
[–]jsblk3000 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Epicurus was a huge promoter of saying there is no reason to fear death. I don't think the creepy font and grim reaper looking dude capture the essence of his message very well. He also hated metaphysical ideas so the skeleton is also not very well in line with his teachings either. He was more about nature and atomic principles, be better off with a pretty picture of something magnificent or inspiring.
[–]Nessie 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Not only was that Epicurus a clever fellow, he always knew where to get the best ribs in town.
[–]jagr5461 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Here, have an upvote
[–]CrunkCoco 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
re-post
[–]nugeehead 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
This has been my wallpaper for 8 months now.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Those who fear death most are those who are most easily manipulated.
[–]IMunchGlass 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
[–]OpenEyesOpenMind 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago*
I like the quote as well, although the quote was, well, misquoted. The easy giveaway is the misuse of the word "since", which (when properly used) indicates a function of time. In modern America, the word is so incorrectly used, that the definition has actually been altered or "dumbed down" by dictionaries.
[–]soviyet 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Sex is nothing to us, since when we are (virgins), sex has not come. And when sex has come, we are not (virgins).
Food is nothing to us, since when we are (hungry), food has not come. And when food has come, we are not (hungry).
Life is nothing to us, since when we are (not born), life has not come. And when life has come, we are not (not born).
Could have reworded that last one a little better, but the point is, the logic of this is completely stupid. Death isn't nothing because when it comes we're dead. That's sort of the whole reason it's something. In fact it's the biggest something because it represents eternal nothing.
Sure, once I'm dead I'm not going to give a shit about death anymore. But that doesn't invalidate my panic about it's eventual coming.
[–]fedhead11 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." -Martin Heidegger
[–]wufame 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
The great thing about r/atheism is how I get to see the same two Epicurus quotes every week.
Agreed. To counter this, we should make up some new ones for him.
"If you can't join them, beat them" - Epicurus on women, after being dumped by someone who now looks like a panda bear.
[–]ZeroNihilist 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
"Never swallow any solid thing larger than your rectum." - Epicurus
[–]wufame 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
"Always wear sunscreen." - Epicurus
[–]shan6 10 points11 points12 points 9 months ago
"Legalize it" - Epicurus
[–]Piratiko 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago
"Nigga, you gay." - Voltaire
[–]AludraEltanin 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
No, that one was Abraham Lincoln. :p
So nice, wish I could like twice.
[–]Punkwasher 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I like that guy. He also said to waste not time and to get drunk and fuck as much as possible. He was kind of a perv, but I think back then... all greeks were... scuse me... all greeks are.
[–]meileiblvd 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Scholars suggest this view was more of a slander against Epicurus by rivaling theists. He praised peace, pleasure, and freedom from pain as the highest good. His critics successfully dismantled his school suggesting he advocated wanton hedonism, but his writings suggest otherwise. He recognized that pleasure is a nuanced thing and more successfully maintained with education, introspection, and camaraderie.
TL/DR Drink and fuck, sure, but moderation keeps it pleasurable
[–]Punkwasher 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Yeah, that's what I heard, too. He was more about appreciating life than just party party party. I usually just make fun of the stereotype, but it is true that he did advocate those things, just not to an extent that most people would expect. He was definitely a scholar, not a frat boy.
[–]megacrabmaster 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Epicurus was a pretty cool guy.
[–]crusty_old_gamer 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is what I always thought privately. Didn't know Epicurus said that too.
[–]cuddlyleviathan 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Would definitely use as a background.
I've heard or read that before, but certainly not from its original source or reddit. Where could it have been? :(
[–]j0natron 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKK1trOSd-g
[–]DarkMagiTrip 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Amazing picture, amazing quote. bravo sir, bravo.
[–]khuri 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
this was the splash screen on my laptop's start up
[–]Squirtle418 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That is brilliant!
[–]r0bbiedigital 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
last night my wife said that we never die, we just change locations of our souls. right now we are all in hell, when we "die" we go to heaven to find the next life to undertake to learn from it... all in hopes of growing your soul...
she basically said it was hell to be married to me... i just realized that when I typed it
[–]funkyupliftmofo 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Saul Williams: "before life is eternity, after death is eternity, there is only eternity.... Now is the the essence of my domain"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojDKI8JxfLs
[–]reddit4437 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago*
When I was little I would have nightmares of dying in my sleep for about a full year. I would wake up panicked and not be able to sleep the rest of the night. I would be so scared of the unknown. I think that's the scariest part for my, is that know one really knows what's going to happen after death. Just my little view on death. EDIT: me
[–]egosumFidius 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
b/c of this subreddit, i like this quote attributed to Epicurus, “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” as a Classicist though, I would like to know the source of both this one and the OP's in Greek, which is usually prettier.
I am not afraid of death i am afraid of life
Death is not an event of life. Death is not lived through. If by eternity is understood not as endless temporal duration but timelessness, then he lives eternally who lives in the present. Our life is endless in the way that our visual field is without limit.
Death is not an event of life. Death is not lived through.
If by eternity is understood not as endless temporal duration but timelessness, then he lives eternally who lives in the present.
Our life is endless in the way that our visual field is without limit.
From Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, section 6.4.3.1.1.
this is what it looks like in Greek. this quote is part of a speech by Epicurus contained within a biography written about him by Diogenes Laertius in Lives of Eminent Philosophers, "ὁ θάνατος οὐθὲν πρὸς ἡμᾶς, ἐπειδή περ ὅταν μὲν ἡμεῖς ὦμεν, ὁ θάνατος οὐ πάρεστιν: ὅταν δ᾽ ὁ θάνατος παρῇ, τόθ᾽ ἡμεῖς οὐκ ἐσμέν."
[–]juststayfocused 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Skeletor is a smart man. A well dressed, horse riding, smart man.
[–]marcussantiago 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Epicurus is always pure win :D
[–]SPacific 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
But he loves kittens.
[–]firethumbs 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
More logical than interesting.
The greatest pleasure is a three way with Epicurus and a bust of Epicurus' head.
[–]Entymologist 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Life is everything to us, since when we live we are, and when we do not live, we are not. ~Me, right now!
[–]crabber338 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Relavent
Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian vikings, it's amazing out these ancient cultures didn't fear death but instead savored the overabundance of life.
[–]MintySocks 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
*“Death must be so beautiful. To lie in the soft brown earth, with the grasses waving above one's head, and listen to silence. To have no yesterday, and no to-morrow. To forget time, to forgive life, to be at peace.” * -Oscar Wilde
Note: he says death not dying. KEY POINT.
[–]mybreathyourlung 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Isn't it really weird to think about the moment right after death? In one instant you're alive, thinking and feeling, not much is very different from right now, and in the next moment you're dead and don't even realize it, it's as if from your "perspective" you didn't even exist, everything is erased. I can't even wrap my brain around that last 1/100th of a second because once I die, I cease to be. I no longer remember the last 1/100th of a second of being alive, or any of my previous seconds but I crossed that boundary at some point. You see what I mean? It's like falling asleep, you can't tell the moment you fall asleep so if you were to have never woken up this morning your entire life previously is non-existent. And everyone that knew you is ultimately non-existent as well because they too will cross that threshold.
Fuck.
[–]sixdaysofstephencolb 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is pretty much my view on death. If i am ever worried about death i remind myself how where i was before i was born. Not in a good place, not in a bad place, I just did not exist. Then I came into this world. Whos to say that cannot happen again?
[–]orbiscerbus 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
It's easy for him to say - he's dead.
[–]QuotesInLaymanTerms 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
"We're not alive to witness death." ~Epicurus
and I've found my new background image. Thanks!
[–]cathmore 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
The use of language is poetic, but I disagree that we shouldn't fear death because we're not dead.
[–]Arinen 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I am afraid of death because I rather like existing and I don't particularly want to stop. Also it probably won't be pleasant.
[–]veksi 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is something I've been saying to people, but usually they think I'm being impudent. But seriously... I don't need to worry about being dead when there's no brainfunction at all.
[–]Blackmaths4tj 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
He makes a brilliant and concise point about your own death, but this obviously can't be applied to the death of your friends and family or even to a slow and painful death.
[–]Ceredron 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Epicurus had the best thought experiment about death.
Think about the time after death like the time before death. There's no way of knowing what either is like, so if you look backwards in time, are you afraid of the time that came before you? If not, it doesn't really make sense to be afraid of the time after you, since both before and after, you really have no experience at all.
It's amazing how irrational fear can be.
[–]personofshadow 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I remember this from philosophy class. Its like I actually learned something AND remembered it.
[–]thewhitebear 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
DIABLO FONT!!!! YES!!!!!!!!
[–]snap_wilson 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Pretty much how I see it.
"I was perfectly content before I was born, and I think of death as the same state." -Roger Ebert
[–]northbayray 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
It's nothing to you if your life is completely uninteresting.
[–]SarcasticBlackMan 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I died once, its not that bad, things just go blurry and you get sleepy.
[–]Arrant_Theif 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Anyone know, or have an opinion, of which is the best book to buy concerning Epicurus?
[–]Notyourfaja 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I have a tattoo of the grim reaper so when he comes to visit we can have something to talk about.
[–]dan420 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Looks like the font from Diablo.
[–]Spiderdan 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Pretty much how I've come to terms with death.
[–]CykoMelody 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I hope when I die, I could watch my life again from third person.
And cringe at all the awkward stuff I did as a kid.
[–]SamuelRAnger 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is my new wallpaper.
[–]Psada 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Well, death among others do exist while we do so in away it does?
[–]Cheddarwurst 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Binky is colored a little dark in that drawing.
[–]Terran_Frumplebuster 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Sounds similar to something Yoda might say.
[–]codesoup 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
You will never experience you're own death. So in a certain respect, your life is endless.
[–]Zeno84 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
As a Philosophy major, I'm familiar with Epicurus' feelings on Death.
It's often stated as "We shouldn't fear death because we can't know death"
[–]patronics 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Well, yeah, but the Diablo font and poor typesetting are really working against you.
Why hello there Epicurus, welcome to the wonderful world of my desktop. I hope you'll enjoy your stay.
[–]imightlikeyou 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That has been my wallpaper for the last couple of months.
But if someone loves you, and you love them back, death would mean something to you due to the pain your loved one would feel at your passing.
[–]ReadAmongTheMargins 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
One of my favorite quotes: "One short sleep past, we wake eternally, And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die." -John Donne
[–]stealthispost 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
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[–]dnLmicky 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
A lot of comments here... Hope someone sees this because its been bothering me for a while.
I wouldn't ever choose to end my own life. I'm not afraid of death. We're all going to die. However, I am deeply saddened by the fact that everything we live for will end when we die. Any great advancements made after death, we will never see or know. Humans may announce the discovery of intergalactic travel the day after I die, and I'll never live to see the result. When we die, we lose all of the people and things we hold so dear. Even worse though, we lose our thoughts, our memories, our experiences. We lose everything we've fought through this life to achieve. Sure, some things may pass on to your children and grandchildren, but guess what? When you're dead, you don't have children or grandchildren. You have nothing. You lose everything.
So whats the fucking point? I don't want to die, but to keep on living seems so pointless.
[–]Okun 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
"If you are aware of a state which you call is or reality or life, this implies another state called isn't or illusion or unreality or nothingness or death. There it is! You can't know one without the other and so, as to make life poignant, its always got to come to an end. That is exactly, don't you see, what makes it lively. Liveliness is change. Is motion". -From "The State of Nothing" by Alan Watts
[–]Aural_B 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I wonder if that was the inspiration for this quote: The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead. -Albert Einstein
[–]telum12 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
So, this is a basis of the thought experiment of Quantum Immortality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
[–]lobido 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
If he is right, why is there a dead guy riding the horse?
My greatest fear is that I won't have time to delete the porn.
[–]GiantDumbass 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That's not really interesting.
Isn't it equivalent to saying: "When we exist, our end has not yet come, when our end has come, we no longer exist."?
[–]alcakd 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Live until you die.
[–]FluoCantus 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Not sure if this is another part to the quote, but the more common quote is:
"Why should I fear death? If I am, then death is not. If death is, then I am not. Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I am?" - Epicurus
[–]ifyourheadexplodes 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
It seems like a lot of people on this thread are afraid of the idea of being dead. I'm not religious either, but I've got a theory about life and death. Being alive isn't the same as being conscious. Being alive just means you grow and consume materials. But being conscious means you are observing the universe as it appears around you. My theory is this. You are not actually observing the universe more, but far, far less. Being a human is pinching off a tiny piece of the universe and observing it for an incredibly short period of time. Not being conscious returns you to one with the universe. To observe all that is and isn't in a way we could never comprehend. Being alive, having memories, that makes you different and unique because of your very small amount of specific experiences. Once you die, you return to being one with all that is, leaving your biased, human consciousness and being completely aware of everything that is and isn't in a way that we could never possibly imagine. That is being dead. Observing absolutely nothing is the same as observing absolutely everything.
[–]duchebag42 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
and now its my wall paper
Nothing to think with, nothing to love, or link with
[–]BtBaMrocks 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” - Another dead hero
[–]ronin1031 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Thanks for the new background for my laptop!
[–]DrSpork 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Very true. I have always said this in my own phrasings. This is an awful image to pair with it, though. His whole point was that death wasn't "scary skeletons", it was nothing; not even worth concerning yourself over.
[–]solidiquis 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Been my view since 7 years old.
[–]freedomgeek 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That doesn't change the fact that I will cease to exist. That still seems horrible and something to be avoided for the maximum level of time.
[–]Gort_84 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime.
[–]NovusHomoSapiens 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
It's funny how most of us atheists don't fear death yet we are pacifist. And those religious people who worship a terrifying figure in the sky are so aggressive towards the like of us heathens.
The very core of their beliefs was built upon fear.
[–]ArcticSniper 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Funny, Christian younger brother has this as his wallpaper.
[–]iv2O 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
TIL I share my afterlife beliefs with Epicurus.
[–]Gadfly_SNC 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Its a nice sentiment, a rational one. But I am still terrified of death and wish nothing more than to avoid it. No quote from Socrates or Epicurus can change that.
[–]CynofChaos 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I worked in health care for nearly a decade and in all that time, was called to give post-mortem care on two patients. The things the body does after death shattered any romanticized ideas I had about the matter. Raised religious, I was taught that death was a joyous return, a peaceful passing--and that's if we were able to talk about it at all. The concept was so vague and I wasn't able to relate until the weight of caring for someone in their last hours fell to me.
I'm not afraid to die. I hate the thought of missing out on my loved ones' lives.
[–]SirenPassingBy 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I wish I could explain this to my parents.
[–]xeivous 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Lord, what can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the Reaper Man?
I'm disappointed that nobody else posted this quote, I always had the feeling redditors were Pratchett fans...
[–]AfraidOfBears 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Christian wife happy to find an Epicurus quote she can refute:
"Except when other people die."
Christian wife: 1, Epicurus: 1
[–]ZINDADINGY 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Shit just got real.
[–]Red_07 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I think I'm not as scared of dying as I am of the idea that I won't remember anything. The thought of just not existing, and not even being able to have every known I was alive and the people I was with isn't really scary, its more depressing than anything.
short and sweet
[–]Escheria 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
The Parable of the Dragon-Tyrant is my opinion on this entire thread. You're all looking for reasons not to fear death because you cannot escape it. I don't think you should do that, at least not too much.
That said, the actual quote is interesting.
[–]TheMoniker 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Philip Larkin tries to answer this in his poem Aubade: http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/philip-larkin/aubade/
Yale philosopher Shelly Kagan has a fairly in-depth discussion of fear of death, here (he arrives at the conclusion that there's nothing to fear, perhaps something to be sad about and much to be grateful for): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lF-uMIfL6s
[–]TrikkyMakk 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Fear not for death is not the real terror while life magically is!
[–]The4ChanScoot 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I prefer the Monty Python motto, Lives a laugh and death's the joke, it's true you'll see it's all a show, just keep 'em laughin' as you go, but the last laugh is on you, I love life of Brian.
[–]joniox 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Looks like Epicurus was basement dweller. Or all his friends and loved ones were immonrtal.
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