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[–]JosJuice 35 points36 points37 points 9 months ago
You need science to fly into buildings too.
[–]blackhawk465 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago
You need science for skyscrapers too.
[–]TonyCola[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago*
Science did give us the plane and the buildings, and it was Religion that destroyed them all!
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
plane
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
i'm imagining a plain crashing into a building.
[–]ridik_ulass 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I read that as "the plan for the building" and had to stare at your correction for a while before it made sense.
[–]TonyCola[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
I have to pay more attention when using voice to text on this phone. Lol
[–]duhduhduhduhduh -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
Wrong. It was the United States's flawed foreign policy. Al Qaeda would have little reason to attack the United States had they left the Middle East well enough alone. Oh, but any reason to attack religion! Religion may have its flaws, but as a person of reason, you should at least come up with legitimate reasons against them.
[–]Zoolotak 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Right... so they had no choice in the matter, and religion couldn't possibly dehumanize out groups, making mass murder more palatable to the average non-psychotic.
[–]duhduhduhduhduh 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I'm saying that this is blaming religion for an act that was mostly political. As self-proclaimed rationalists, shouldn't you be attacking religion for its faults, rather than making bullshit up and attempting to spin it against religion? You still have plenty of other ammunition besides 9-11.
[–]watas 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
ITT: people defending self admitted Islamists and calling their actions politically based and not religious while down voting all people who inform them that the religion of Islam is tied directly to the political ideology of Islamism.
[–]s-mores 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Agreed.
What we should really be discussing is which religion I need to convert to to get into the Playboy Mansion.
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[–]Srsninja 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Yeah, but the point the OP is making is that science makes better things..religion uses those better things for worse.
[–]themcp 17 points18 points19 points 9 months ago
Technically, without science there are no airplanes or skyscrapers either, but that's not the point, and you're being deliberately obtuse.
[–]vitaminC-4 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?
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[–]StudleyMumfuzz 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Btw, the atomic bomb the United States dropped wiped out 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki (source: Wikipedia). But of course, science is always used for good and isn't driven by the military r&d.
[–]DaySeeMeTrollin 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Technically science is a product of our capitalist system and therefore responsible for a world of unprecedented suffering in which 6 million children(A YEAR) starve to death in 3rd world countries to prop up our completely unsustainable hydro carbon economy and high standard of living in industrialized countries.
[–]seriouslyseriousdude -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 months ago
the point? you are telling that guy he's wrong, but you accept science as some sort of property of atheism? you need to get your shit straight..science is unbiased...religion is not the opposite of science..if some people don't know science or don't want to accept it, it's their problem...
[–]Gabost8 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
IBCMs and the Moon landing were a product of the Cold War.
ICBMs
FTFY
[–]one_four_three 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
the first time i read your comment, it looked like you were claiming that the moon was a product of the cold war.
i was about to correct you, and then started giggling.
[–]EvOllj 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
for science: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html
[–]soxfan5240 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
I have this on a t-shirt. I get some ugly looks when I wear it though :( I wonder why?
[–]DistractedScholar 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
Karma makes you post this tired old image.
[–]ImSamuelJacksonBitch 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
it's crap posts like this that is starting to make reddit really sad, and me very glad i'm not a dumbass athiest
[–]mozsey 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
muslims don't do that. terrorists do. the leaders use islam to recruit those people. doesn't mean it's an islamic practice to kill people.
[–]watas 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Read the koran and hadiths. Osama bin Laden lived a near flawless life according to the doctrines of his religion. I understand that it is hard to accept that there are people with an ideology that morally justifies their criminal behavior, but accepting it is the first step in combating future religious ideologies or non-religious ones that mandate the same brutality.
[–]Bout_It_Bout_It 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
This does not matter anyway. Why? Because the reason for the 9/11 had almost nothing to do with religion. Fucking hell, these attacks are mostly politically motivated.
Like comedian David Cross put it:
"I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, and our ties with the Saudi family and all our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he f*****g said! Are we a nation of 6-year-olds? Answer: yes."
Seriously, people overblow this islamo fascism stuff so much. "Brutality"? Non religious countries and orgs have done the same or much worse. Frankly, i just do no think in this particular situation you can place the blame on religion.
[–]watas 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago
How do you differentiate the political and religious causes when it comes to Al Qaeda? Osama bin Laden is a self admitted Islamist. He is an advocate of theocracy - his political ideology is also his religious one. His reasoning was created due to his political beliefs, yes, but his political beliefs are one and the same as his religious ones.
[–]Srsninja 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Yeah...but why did he have a problem with the US supporting Israel? With military bases in Saudi Arabia?
He would not have given a single fuck had Israel been Muslim, and if the US Govt. was pro-islam.
[–]Lav1tz 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
How many more architects and mechanical engineers must hit the wall at 400 miles an hour before we admit to ourselves that jihadist violence is not merely a matter of education, poverty, or politics? The truth, astonishingly enough, is that in the year 2006 a person can have sufficient intellectual and material resources to build a nuclear bomb and still believe that he will get 72 virgins in Paradise. Western secularists, liberals, and moderates have been very slow to understand this. The cause of their confusion is simple: They don't know what it is like to really believe in God. -Sam Harris
[–]onfia 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
Not to mention Osama did not do it because of religion. It was a political dispute over territories, and previous war grudges.
Their motives for hating the west are(?) partially based on religion....
and even if they aren't, the cultural/political difference that religion has created resulted in their hatred. That is to say, Laden wouldn't have had such an issue with us supporting Israel had Israel been Islamic.
[–]TonyCola[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago*
If this is true and it is not religion that made them do it, then name a time an Atheist who intentionally flew a plane into a building? "As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities."~Voltaire
[–]mozsey 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
you can't use that as an argument. the people they get to kill themselves and fl a PLANE into a building are people who have a troubled life and want a better life. so they're promised that life by a terrorist leader, as long as they kill themselves in the name of "allah."
it's not a matter of religion, it's a matter of tricking people into it.
back to this point though, just because an atheist hasn't done it doesn't mean they don't have the potential.
[–]one_four_three 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
the easy response to that is that religion is a way of tricking people into it.
but seriously, i get the op's point, even though it's a repost. the attitude that faith is a virtue, that ignorance is something to be cherished, is what the real issue is here. that is how the trick is done.
Yeah, but this terrorist leader? No matter what way you spin it, this terrorist leader's political views are influenced by his religion.
You really think some person in an Islamic leader recruiting teens to blow things up is entirely secular?
And is it the people's fault for getting tricked\following some terrorist? Partially. Either people are merely a result of their enviorment, or they're responsible for the choices they make. These people knew they were going to kill, despite what god they were doing it for.
[–]TonyCola[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago*
God, Allah, Yahweh are only different names for an imaginary being. Belief in things that have no physical proof are delusions. Who is more likely to do something as crazy as flying a plane into a building a person who is open to delusions, or one who is not?
[–]watas 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
No he doesn't. I happen to agree with him. Don't speak for all atheists.
What did the deleter say?
[–]watas 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That you're wrong, that no atheists agree with you, and that religion had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
[–]mozsey -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago
and someone who is a sick atheist? someone who believes that by doing this they will gain something? atheists can believe in something more. whether they choose to accept it or not. there are things you do, and you question why you do it. because you're delusional? no can't be, you're an atheist. you know everything.
You're missing his point. OP is saying that religion is a motivator, an enabler to do bad things.
A sick atheist, on the other hand, is sick and mentally damaged. You can have a sick religious person..and they'll be even more likely to do something bad.(Hitler) A person following a religion is on the whole more likely to do bad things.
Its like putting a gun in a persons hands. Sure, that person could be mental and stab people with a knife, but when you give him a gun killing gets much easier. Even a non-mental person could do bad things with that gun.
[–]lick_my_bloodyballs 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Definitely read "Silence talks you to the moon" and spent a good 5 minutes thinking how this was possible until I realized that i was a dumbass...
[–]sureyouare 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Religion doesn't fly you into buildings. Years of global economic, poilitical turmoil, oppression and cold war leading up to terrible foreign policy and occupation leads to flying planes into buildings.
It's masked as religion.
Yes because 9/11 hijackers were so uneducated with their Ph.D's and in complete poverty in their middle to upper middle class lives in America. As Sam Harris would say,
How many more architects and mechanical engineers must hit the wall at 400 miles an hour before we admit to ourselves that jihadist violence is not merely a matter of education, poverty, or politics? The truth, astonishingly enough, is that in the year 2006 a person can have sufficient intellectual and material resources to build a nuclear bomb and still believe that he will get 72 virgins in Paradise. Western secularists, liberals, and moderates have been very slow to understand this. The cause of their confusion is simple: They don't know what it is like to really believe in God.
[–]sureyouare 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Wait, first of all, which one of them was from the US? PhDs? None of them had PhDs. Regardless, that's not the point.
Read my comment again, it has nothing to do with poverty. Some of the other commmenters were more direct here when they said it was our involvement in Israel that motivated Bin Laden...hell, he said it himself.
So it's convenient for us to paint a picture of religious nutcases, much like our homegrown ones who burn down abortion clinics, but the truth is the US has its own brand of terrorism that it funds all around the world and we've made some crafty enemies.
[–]Lav1tz 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1636782.stm
You have to be pretty naive to think that terrorism is some kind of reaction against some miss steps in foreign policy with Israel and Palestine... Al'Qaeda attacked embassies due to the fact that we stopped Indonesia committing genocide in East Timor. Because stopping Indonesia (a Muslim land) from conquering East Timor (mostly christian) is an act of christian crusaders for which the west can never be forgiven.
I don't know how you can say this is not religious when Al'Qaeda THEMSELVES state this is fundamentally a religious war.
[–]sureyouare -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
You've been watching mainstream news...or just believing the wrong people
[–]undefinedTroll 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Science could also fly you into the moon...which I assume is worse than flying you into a building.
[–]sirgrinalot 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
"My experiences with science led me to God. They challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?" - Wernher von Braun(Chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle)
[–]Geysir 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
nice
[–]savedigi 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Just gonna leave this here
Oh and this too. link
[–]Ruzihm 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Reddit flies you into reposts.
[–]MusicMagi 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
People need to know that these people were crazy and claimed glory in the name of their religion. Religion didn't tell them to do anything
[–]cheesy18 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Is it bad that this made me laugh. It kinda happened before I could stop myself.
[–]mfwNoRedditNames 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
a self righteous belief that you are better than another and deep seeded hatred flies you into buildings
[–]bigmill 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Science gave us nukes :(
[–]carniemechanic 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
religion gave us homophobia, burkas, pogroms, the inquisition, unbridled population growth, ...
Lol you don't have to tell me bro, I am agnostic myself...just playing devil's advocate
[–]carniemechanic 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I thought it might have been a good response, because there were no replies to it. I wouldn't ever play devil's advocate, there are some serious asses to contend with. From both sides.
Who created this brilliant image?
[–]thatregiskid 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
No, radical brainwashing and lack of education flies you into buildings. It's not so much religion as it is ignorance and a poor social structure that shows a healthy alternative.
[–]praisecarcinoma 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Yeah, too bad religion actually had nothing to do with it. Politics did, and poor foreign policy, but why actually think about it?
[–]LarSt0rm 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
lol dumbass this guy thinks the moonlanding actually happened
[–]zelani 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Actually, both events can be attributed to politics.
[–]I_CATS 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
So, instead of science, it was money that flew us to the moon?
[–]cryptobeast 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
NASA had billions more to play with than they do today.. around 4% of the entire federal budget at the height of the Apollo program vs what hovers around 0.5% nowadays Source
[–]redworm 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Money was necessary to develop the technologies necessary to fly to the moon. NASA didn't design, engineer, and build those machines. Those were developed by the private sector, the aeronautical companies (that would later become aerospace companies) that won government contracts to meet the mission standards set forth by the planners at NASA.
Trade - and thus the idea behind money - has been the driving force for the development and proliferation of every single significant technology the human race has enjoyed since the invention of agriculture.
[–]s2011 -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
Uh... The scientist who helped with the moon landing was a religious man..
[–]IMICE 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
"The scientist..." really? The one scientist?
[–]itsavw -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 months ago
Hi I'm an atheist and I believe in not believing in a god. I spend most my time reading relgious texts like the bible and quran so that I can have a very strong argument against these religions. Daily I will come up with a proverbial saying that is both witty and funny to denounce these people. At night I tuck myself in and take pills that kill the hypocritical realization part of the brain.
This whole atheist religion confuses me.
[–]Komkast22 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
NON-ATHIESTS
IF YOU DISLIKE /r/ATHEISM, Y U NO LEAVE?
[–]TonyCola[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 months ago*
Then it's a good thing you have your chosen religious ideology to help guide you through all that pesky thinking stuff. Oh and as the saying goes "Atheism is as much a religion as bald is a hair color"...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I think itsavw is trolling a bit, but OP's response is a little dogmatic. There is (arguably) no reason to believe that a "god" exists, but to assert that the existence of a "god" is impossible involves a certain amount of faith in one's own knowledge of the universe.
So, Pastafarianism is the "bald hair color" here, not the strict, gods-are-impossible materialist perspective.
[–]itsavw 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I'm not religious, I'm not atheist. I just don't give a fuck, but atheists are just as annoying as religious people. I hate you both, normally I don't care but sometimes I'll be logged out and see this shit.
[–]YosserHughes -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
When I see posts like this I know that the whoremongering Neocons and Fox Noise have accomplished their mission.
The level of stupidity and ignorance in this cartoon is mind numbing, it demonstrates that the poster is completely and utterly clueless as to the causes that led up to 9-11, it reduces the last 50 years of American Foreign policy to a child's crayon drawing, and that the OP would put his stupidity on display for all the world to see is even more astonishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc
[–]YosserHughes -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
As much as I admire Hitchins for his stand on atheism, he actively supported GWB and the war and invasion of Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 so it's not surprising he has a hardon for Islam.
He was 100% wrong of course about Iraq.
Here's OBL letter to America as to why he attacked the US, nowhere in there does it say because Allah told him to.
'Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back.'
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you? Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:.....................................
If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.
This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?
If you watched that whole video, you will realize that you will have to capitulate on many freedoms to try and appease these people. You're kidding yourself if you think their only grievance is Palestine. So we should of let Indonesia commit genocide in East Timor right? Because preventing that will upset the Islamists and we will have brought it on ourselves. What about free speech? If I draw a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed in a news paper and it upsets the Islamists will I have brought the violence upon myself? You can surrender your free speech, democratic rights, womens rights, etc in your own name. But don't tell people who are fighting against this Islamic imperialism they've brought it on themselves.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
In WW II, Chinese fought Japanese fighters, tanks with machete. In today's standard, that would be terrorist.
In American revolution, There were no army that fought British formally.
[–]OptionalOptions -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
That was brave...
[–]redleader18 -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
I think most of the 9/11 and religion arguments are veiled xenophobic hatred towards Muslims.
[–]frenlaven -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
i love your stereotypes. i don't like stereotypes that make fun of atheism. but i like your stereotypes against religion. haha good one!
[–]PHYLYO -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
Really, you actually believe religion is responsible for 9/11. Am I on reddit?!
[–]HailJenkum -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
I call bullshit on this. I've never seen faith fly an airplane.
[–]StudleyMumfuzz -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
Yes, science has never been used to do horrible things, like create an atomic bomb, railguns, mines, etc. And religion has never been used to do good things, like host homeless shelters, run a soup kitchen, etc. /sarcasm
This argument is over-simplified.
[–]DaySeeMeTrollin -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
r/atheism:
BE IGNORANT AND INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST - IGNORE FOREIGN POLICY AND HISTORY.
PLACE ALL BLAME ON RELIGION.
???
KARMA
[–]H-Resin -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
Anyone else see a syringe in the thumbnail before opening?
[–]FulminatedMercury -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
Oh cool is this a new quote or something?
[–]MaxOre94 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
Oh the reposting you'll do!
[–]SeveredBanana -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
How did this get so much karma? It's been reposted countless times!
[–]Uraeus -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 months ago
Also, let's not forget that the official 9/11 story is complete bullshit and the motives behind the attack can be discovered by following the money. Ignorant comic is ignorant.
[–]Wise2304 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
THE LOCH NESS MONSTER WAS REAL!
THE MOON-LANDING WAS FAKE!
HITLER IS ACTUALLY AN ALIEN AND IS IN A COMA IN THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH!
[–]SHdude 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Shut up
[–]fett4evr -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago
not cool dude
[–]larpas 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
God didn't do anything to get us to the moon. The fact that there is a bible there doesn't mean the decades of rocket research and funding are irrelevant. We went to the moon to beat the commies, not deliver a gods message.
[–]egalitarianusa -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
I thought the whole reason to beat the commies was to deliver a gods message?
(Not me but, you know, them)
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
We went to the moon to beat the commies, not deliver a gods message.
Funny when you think about it. "For all mankind" was really, "Merica, fuck yeah!"
It's insulting not to give the credit to the ones who accomplished it and made things look easy.. and to those who risked their lives to be able to bring back the experience. Attributing anything to God is easy, if something good happens it's God's will and God helped and used a human as a tool in his plan.. if something negative happens to someone then it is a test of faith. Either way you can just pray about it, doing the very least but claim you prayed in an attempt to give full meaning to the little you did.
You atheists are deluding your selves thinking that we got to the moon without God.
LOL
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