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[–]Ragnalypse 6 points7 points ago

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It is pretty weird that Christians aren't more "moral" than us even though they think they're constantly being judged by a sky wizard.

[–]NatalieZ 1 point2 points ago

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Ah, Christian logic. Sinning constantly is okay as long as God forgives you, but secular morality doesn't exist damn it!

[–]hotpackage 1 point2 points ago

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Why do christians think that everyone is a criminally-insane/homicidal-maniac that is barely held back by religious dogma?

[–]baalroo 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Tself 1 point2 points ago

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They need a visit to Norway

...and so do I damn it.

[–]pconwell 0 points1 point ago

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Where did you find this?

[–]BrotherC 0 points1 point ago

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Why exactly do we consider accountability/justice a virtue? It seems that often those words are synonyms for vengeance and entirely separate from any developed theory of ethics.

[–]Raborn 0 points1 point ago

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Accountability isn't the same as justice. Doing right by someone after you've wronged them is ethical. Killing someone for killing someone else, I think is not. Just maybe, but it's not holding them accountable for their misdeeds, it's really letting them off the hook.

[–]BrotherC 0 points1 point ago

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What I don't understand is why that is considered ethical, why we should avoid letting people "off the hook". Doing right things is certainly ethical, imprisoning someone for past offenses? I'm not sure how that does someone right.

[–]Raborn 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not suggesting we imprison someone for offenses, i'm suggesting they do something to pay people back. Time in prison doesn't help anyone, at most it keeps dangerous people away from the rest of us. Not all the people in prison are. If someone destroys your property on purpose or accidentally, they should be obligated to pay you back. That's basically what we do now for many things, but I think it should be carried over into other aspects.

[–]BrotherC 0 points1 point ago

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Okay, I agree with that. It seems reasonable that destroyed property should be replaced by the destroyer and such. It seems prison should be limited to people who pose a clear and present danger to society - and not just as a punishment for crimes.

It seems religious people tend to think divine punishment is ethical however, and I'm curious how they justify that. It's incomprehensible to me.

[–]Raborn 0 points1 point ago

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Well if you accept the premise that their god is good and whatever he does is right it makes perfect sense. Problem is, they accept the premise and don't really follow it to its logical conclusion, at least depending upon certain god claims.

[–]studmuffffffin 0 points1 point ago

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I wonder what would happen if you asked a Christian whether they'd murder and rape if they found out there wasn't a God. A good trap.

[–]Isuperserial 0 points1 point ago

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Unlike a Christian who can simply "repent" and clear their conscience, I have to live every day taking full responsibility for every mistake.

[–]oOkeuleOo 0 points1 point ago

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yea right morality came from a book, not from the human mind itself riiight.

[–]davorzdralo 0 points1 point ago

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Nah, this must be sarcasm. Where did you find it?

[–]zeusisreal2 0 points1 point ago

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While the exact opposite is true. As a christian, you can commit almost any crime, and get "saved". That's why crime rates among theists are so much higher than among atheists.

Here's a good video about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8S2PD8qf8

[–]Bryan_Hallick 2 points3 points ago

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damn, if I was gay I'd be all over Matt Dillahunty