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Atheist Last Supper (i.imgur.com)
submitted 8 months ago by harlequin90
[–]krondike 46 points47 points48 points 8 months ago
Why is Hitchens no where to be found!?!
[–]20ptopee 40 points41 points42 points 8 months ago
He's there. He just drank himself under the table.
[–]privatepancake 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
Never!
[–]HospitableJohnDoe 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
How dare you speak against The Prophets drinking abilities!
[–]kadmylos 23 points24 points25 points 8 months ago
Hitchens is the Holy Spirit. Also, I think this is more science-based than atheist-based...
[–]Thebullshitman 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
he probably went out to get some Johnny Walker Black.
[–]kautylia 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
This picture doesn't really have anything to do with atheism. It's supposed to be highly significant figures in the history of science, which Hitch is definitely not (though I love him).
[–]krondike 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Agreed, just bad titling going on. Though I would like to see this scene with the prolific atheist of history.
[–]Wirenutt 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
That was my first thought, where the hell is Hitch?
[–]PJL 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
No James Randi either.
[–]MartiniD 111 points112 points113 points 8 months ago
This is a science last supper. Darwin, Galileo, and Newton were all theists
[–]Karter705 29 points30 points31 points 8 months ago
and Einstein was a pantheist.
[–]yakushi12345 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
and Aristotle believed in a non acting prime mover.
[–]ns1123 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
And Newton wrote more on theology than he did on science. Very productive, that one. Probably because he was convinced he was chosen by God to uncover the glorious mysteries of the universe. He also kept a daily list of all his sins.
[–]dVnt 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Which is inquisitively non-distinct from atheism in any pragmatic sense...
Hmm...
[–]scarecrowslayer 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
To be fair, pantheist is essentially just a sexier word for atheism.
[–]Nihilistic_pie 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Atheistic pantheist would reject the existence of the universe?
[–]Foley1 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Does a Pantheist reject god, but have faith in cookwear?
[–]c6h6o6p 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
brilliant!
So are pastafarians the rival to this cookware faith?
[–]Foley1 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I think we have discovered the truth.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
"I'm not a FRYING pantheist"
[–]Omelet 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Atheists and pantheists believe in the same things (the universe, the laws of nature, all the other stuff in the natural world), they just use different terminology.
[–]Kua_Nomi 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I see people say this a great deal around here and it is just not true. Believing that the universe and God are the same thing(pantheist), or that the universe as a giant mechanism depicts God(deist), or that the universe as a mechanism depicts God but God also extends beyond that(panendeism) is not the same as atheism.
These are nuances of belief, not the rejection of belief. I'm certainly not a theist but I do not presume to know about the fundamental nature of the universe or my place in it.
[–]EbeforeI923 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
The assertion though is that Einstein was of a theism of sorts and this has so far as my knowledge goes, been unproven. You are entirely correct that these, as you put them, nuances are not often recognized appropriately though. And I give you much credit for not only recognizing but understanding them as many do not. But the scholastic debate of theisms misses the point f the original statement. Einstein's particular view seems more frequently then not to have been pantheist in a way that, at the time, suggested a rejection of organized religion with a uncertainty of direction beyond. Or in the least a decided effort on his part not to assert that which he could not prove, and yet accept that which he could not disprove either. A position held by many still, when discussing matters of infinite regression.
[–]efrance1 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
oooohh! can i be that then?
[–]dVnt 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
...And?... (as per our previous interaction)
[–]Karter705 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
No and, really; I'm just pedantic :( Mostly I like to be specific so that people can't use the things that I say against me. If I claim Einstein as an atheist, people will use his own words against me.
Technically, this is still true if I claim that he was a pantheist; but in that case the fault is not mine.
If I claim Einstein as an atheist, people will use his own words against me.
So what? You can use Stephen Hawking's own words against him, and people do, but he is clearly atheist. Perhaps you shouldn't be offering up such answers if you're not willing to elaborate about them with necessary clarity.
Anyway, to the point was making for others, there is no sufficient logical difference between deism, pantheism, or atheism so far as I'm concerned.
[–]yakushi12345 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
deists believe god is a logical necessity, that is a difference.
Exactly, they believe God is a logical necessity yet have no reason for doing so. Specifically to my point: it is impossible to tell the difference between a deist or pantheistic reality and an atheistic reality, so I'd rather not suffer the triviality of pretending as if these ideas are meaningfully distinct; the difference between them is purely superficial emotional driven.
[–]yakushi12345 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I don't see why the fact that someone is believing something based on emotion disqualifies the distinctness of their belief.
Because the human mind is quite capable of, and even arguable designed to, trick itself.
You're missing the point though, I'm not trying to mandate that everyone should have the same opinion of this that I do, but I do maintain my opinion and won't be moved by trivial special pleading. You don't have to see these beliefs as non=distinct, but I'll not treat them any other way until someone actually defines the terms in a efficaciously distinct manner.
I'm not sure why you are making efficacy a standard of beliefs being different. If I think a coin is about to land heads and you think tails we clearly disagree regardless of whether or not our disagreement affects our lives.
[–]Apotheosis275 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Darwin was not a theist by the end of his life... unless he flip-flopped again on his death bed. At age 67 he wrote: "Disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete."
[–]therationalparent 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Yes. As a big fan of Darwin it really annoys me when people misrepresent what he thought. He would have hated people saying he was a theist.
[–]pretzelzetzel[] 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Despite his criticism of religion, Sagan denied that he was an atheist, saying "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid."[40] In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."
Reference
[–]MoMoApostate 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Sagan only denied being an atheist because he held a different definition of atheist than most atheists have today. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe there are gods. It is entirely possible to be both an atheist and agnostic.
Agnostic atheists believe there are no gods and thinks we cannot know if gods exist or not.
Gnostic atheists believe there are no gods and think we can know if gods exist or not.
I think the problem with agnostisism, is it implies, or at least people think it implies a 50/50 chance of god.
[–]therationalparent 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago*
Darwin
Darwin most certainly was not a theist when he was older. He was very consistent - he was an agnostic because it is impossible to prove that there is no god. (Just like Dawkins and many other atheists say they are technically agnostics).
You don't have to take my word for it, all of his correspondence has been digitized and is available here:
http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/
If you read his correspondence you will find that he basically says that he doesn't trouble himself thinking about "god" because he thinks it is an insolvable problem, he most definitely doesn't believe in the Christian god, and he doesn't believe that evolution needs to conflict with belief in god for those that do believe. Here are some examples.
http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-12851 http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-9621 http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-11416 http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-11766 http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-12041
Agnostic Atheism.
Stop perpetuating the ignorant and dialectically convenient presumption that these terms are in any way mutually exclusive.
[–]therationalparent 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Sorry I think you have failed at reading comprehension. For instance I say that Dawkins is an atheist and an agnostic.
By todays standards, Darwin would probably say he was an atheist. But in the time he lived atheism was associated with the denial of the possibility of existence of a god, something that Darwin very specifically did not do (just like Dawkins).
I am absolutely aware what the terms atheism and agnostic mean, so don't be a jerk and call me ignorant.
Sorry I think you have failed at reading comprehension.
lol... says the guy that thinks I called him ignorant when I technically did not.
For that matter, what right does anyone have to be offended by being called ignorant? ...We're all ignorant.
In any case, I didn't mean to offend. I'd just like to stop seeing equivocal nonsense like, "Darwin wasn't an atheist, he was agnostic."
Elaborate sufficiently, or don't elaborate at all.
[–]therationalparent 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
From my original post
Darwin most certainly was not a theist
You read "a theist" as "atheist".
...No, I didn't. Does that matter, or are you just going to continue to dictate my own thoughts and actions to me?
My issue is with the way to you enable the profoundly common but fallacious dichotomy between agnosticism and atheism.
Then where did I say "Darwin wasn't an atheist, he was agnostic."?
Besides - Darwin himself said he was agnostic and not an atheist - and he clarified himself says "in the sense that I've never denied the existence of a god". By the standards of modern atheists Darwin was an atheist. I never said he wasn't.
This is really rather tedious.
I agree.
BTW, your dialog with cardena2717 was excellent.
Thanks.
[–]TheDenseWall 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Darwin wasn't a theist by the end of his life. But yes to the others.
[–]AtheistSteve 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Darwin's debateble. He considred himself an agnostic.
[–]Shainsworth 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
He actually didn't. Thomas Huxley, an associate of Darwin's, coined the term to describe his own beliefs...Darwin was more of a Deist/Universalist, but also a skeptic. I think he purposefully stayed as far away from the question as possible so to not scare people with evolution... but we know how that turned out.
Darwin was more of a Deist/Universalis
Not really. See my comment here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/meumg/atheist_last_supper/c30hsi7
[–]khalid1984 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Wasn´t the term atheist coined in his own time?. I could´ve been too soon to use the term.
[–]thrakhath 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago*
Nope, Agnostic was. By Huxley I believe, to help soften the political blowback of the obvious consequences to Darwin's work. Atheist is as old as Religion itself.
edit: crap, I didn't see Shainsworth's better sourced reply.
[–]Shampyon 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
We just have to be mindful of how the terminology changes over time. The Classical Greeks and Romans used the word to describe anyone who rejected the gods recognised by the State. A Christian was an atheist by their use of the term.
By Sagan's time, the word was used to describe what we in /r/atheism would call a gnostic atheist, while his definition of agnostic is what we would now call an agnostic atheist.
[–]ygody 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
or pantheist, by Dawkins.
[–]Pogo4pres 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
At the least he went through a profound crisis of faith at least in the "established" notions of god, particularly when his daughter died; which was when he stopped going to church.
[–]RandomExcess 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
NdGT would not admit in public he is an atheist, as stated this is more a science last supper.
[–]LegacyAngel 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I love how I moved away from theism to avoid unthinking followers, and I find the same shit with most atheists. God, why is the world full of idiots. Upvote to MartiniD for pointing out the mistake.
[–]Son_of_the_Morning 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I much rather like this title :)
[–]willpower12 17 points18 points19 points 8 months ago
Thats a really weird bong M. Curie is holding.
[–]AmazingSteve -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
You make me so sad...
[–]Nomiss 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago*
Are you saying Büchner would make for a bad bong ?
Edit because I had fractional distillation rather than Büchner.
[–]willpower12 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Its a joke. Its a joke that references a recreational drug. Get over it.
[–]AmazingSteve 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
And mine was a joke referencing people that assume scientific supplies are for recreational drug use. Get over it. I'm one of your joke's upvotes, for goodness sake.
As an aside, do you realize that I have to put glucose, or any other white powder, in a box to bring it across the street from one of the labs I'm affiliated with to the other? Otherwise people assume it's cocaine.
[–]willpower12 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Sarcasm reads great on the internet. Sorry your text read like you are a dismissive asshole.
[–]AmazingSteve 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Me too?
[–]willpower12 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I wanted to be pissed just now. But that is a great way to end this psuedo agro-fest. Upvotes to you.
[–]sraybell 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
This was an amazing sight to behold. Two arguing, on the internet no less, and then coming to a peaceful conclusion.
Clearly, this needs more bloodshed.
[–]NightHawk929 19 points20 points21 points 8 months ago
I thought Einstein was a deist or a theist, can anyone confirm or deny that he's an atheist?
[–]the_sun_god 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
Either deist or pantheist.
Edit: well, there's a whole wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein%27s_religious_views
[–]NightHawk929 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
criticized atheism
Yeah, I didn't think he was an atheist.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
He criticized atheism largely on the grounds that he assumed atheism simply meant gnostic atheism and gnostic atheism alone.
[–]thrakhath 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Very much like Carl Sagan, who also has "that" quote thrown around a lot (my dad thought it was just so awesome to show that one of my "heroes" disagreed with my stated view).
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I cannot wait for the majority of theists to associate atheism with solely agnostic atheism.
[–]dVnt 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago*
...I criticize "atheists" all the time.
...but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
The man is clearly describing his objection to the behavior of atheists, not the philosophical position of atheism... because he was a fucking atheist. He doesn't like atheists who just seem to be mad at God and not do anything with their ostensibly clear perspective, and I, as a person who calls myself an atheist in the 21st century, feel exactly the same way.
This is a semantic problem. Einstein was certainly atheist. Hell, in the strictest sense, a deist is an atheist, because they are not a theist.
Personally, I've never heard a description of deism that made any sense anyways.
[–]Karter705 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Einstein was a pantheist:
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
If you think that distinction is meaningless, I'd probably agree with you, though.
[–]dVnt -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago*
...So what?!
Exactly. The only distinction between pantheism and atheism is poetry and tact.
[–]zosoyoung 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
wat
OK.
...And what exactly is the difference between deism or pantheism and atheism?
[–]uncopyrightable 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
This is a rough explanation, but as I understand it- In deism, God makes the universe & it's laws, then ignores us and presumably goes off and parties or something. In pantheism, God = universe.
How are these ideas actually distinct in any efficacious sense?
[–]uncopyrightable 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Nothing, as far as I understand. :/
[–]Polemicist82 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
And some of the others in that picture were flat out Christian. It's a cool picture, but science, not atheism connects them.
[–]uncopyrightable 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Presumably they were saying atheism is built on the work of these people, but yeah, still a weak connection... :)
[–]Silcantar 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Definitely deist.
...Uh, no. The man was atheist in the strictest sense.
One does not have to use the term atheist to label one's self in order for others to use it as a descriptor. It's not a religion one subscribes to. The word describes specifically one quality about a person's beliefs.
edit: Yay, downvotes with no rebuttal! You should know, this only reinforces my opinions...
[–]elykG 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Repeatedly ignoring the facts until people stop responding to you isn't winning an argument. You might want to check out r/christianity, you would fit right in.
[–]MyriPlanet 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Ahem.
I can't believe I still have to post this shit.
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. … For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.
-Albert Einstein
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
I think the man knows his own beliefs.
Thank you!
Talk about ignoring facts...
"Are you a fuckin ass?"
I'm the one quoting Einstein all over the place... what facts am I ignoring?
[–]hydraincarnation 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
Where's Sagan's apple pie?
[–]yamancool63[] 24 points25 points26 points 8 months ago
He hadn't created the universe yet.
[–]iDontSayFunnyThings 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Hitch, Harris, Epicuris.
[–]Vectomon 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Madam Curie looks high as fuck.
[–]johntr1989[] 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
WHERE'S HITCH!!!!????
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Why no Nikola tesla.
[–]BlazeWindu 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I just noticed all the legs on the table are co-linear, it would just fall over. You'd think Da Vinci would catch that.
[–]LimitForce 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
They are a clue showing the true legs Saint James.
[–]srj21 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
No Marx?
[–]IAmNotAPerson6 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago*
Can someone please help me on the names? I believe I have some, please correct me if I'm wrong here:
Galileo Galilei, Marie Curie, Richard Feynman, Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Thomas Edison, Aristotle, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, and Charles Darwin.
Edit: Filled in remaining names. Although upon research, there are some conflicts with some of these people's religious beliefs (some are not necessarily atheists).
[–]Tasslehoff 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
After Curie is Feynman, and after Sagan is Edison. I don't know the other two.
[–]trixter21992251 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
The greek guy is Aristotle. Don't know who the guy between Newton and Hawkins is. His beard makes me think he's a physician (I thought Robert Koch at first), but I can't find any match.
It's Pasteur.
[–]wkuechen 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Is that Newton?
[–]neogohan 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
... sitting in Judas's spot.
Ha, good eye, my friend.
[–]veronica_palmer 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
You guys, don't think I'm a sceptic or anything, but I have a sneaking suspicion this never really happened.
[–]rockaholick37 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Segan needs to be smoking a joint
[–]zombiesartre 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Isaac Asimov deserves to be there!
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
[–]detroitmatt 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
If this is an Atheist dinner, where are the babies?
[–]360walkaway 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Where the fuck is George Carlin and Bill Hicks?
[–]KaiserDragon 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Morgan Freeman is not their god right?
[–]bullybones 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Uhm, where's Madalyn Murray O'Hair?
[–]lajksdgbiu 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Newton is so pissed. THAT'S HIS SEAT OF HONOR!!!!
[–]LukeNygma 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
"One of you will betray me... Lol I'm just fucking with ya."
[–]stratrookie 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
They should be eating spaghetti
[–]carlosmal 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
There are several theists on this Last Supper. It can be renamed as "Some incredibly smart people's Last Supper".
"Some incredibly smart people's Last Supper"
Scientists - that's the word you're looking for.
Not all scientists are as incredibly smart as these ladies and gentlemen.
Nope, but all of these ladies and gentlemen are scientists. Not all Christians were as influential as Jesus and the twelve apostles (huh, when you say it like that, it sounds like a crappy 70s band); they're the ones in the Christian last supper because they're the founders of Christianity. I would argue that the people here are some of the most important founders of modern science.
[–]taifoid 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Thanks for my new background (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
[–]FishermansAtlas 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
No Sartre? ):
[–]zombiesartre 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
D:
Also no Nietzsche? What the balls
[–]aceoftrachs 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
He didn't show up as he thought the meal had no purpose.
[–]babums 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
It's all fun until Marie Curie gives everyone radiation.
[–]adamwho 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Not enough chicks... maybe we can find one in an elevator somewhere...
[–]jdallas22 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Yeah, so here's a quote from Einstein himself...
I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being
[–]Mr_Pigg 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
einstein wasn't an atheist
[–]Dylan305 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
No Christopher Hitchens? :|
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
WHERE'S DAVID ATTENBOROUGH?
[–]allro 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Get Edison out of there. From everything I've heard, he was an ass.
[–]GrandMastaPimp 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Also, not a scientist.
[–]Wranid 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
You should probably get Edison out of there and replace him with Tesla. Even if it's not about what they invented and advanced knowledge Tesla is the a better man; Edison was just a dick.
[–]gabriot 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Is hitchens passed out in the back or something?
[–]NetForceOp 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
What did Buzz Aldrin say when he landed on the moon? Who knows.....he got there 2nd.
Bonus points if you can tell where this is from.
[–]Tyrant84 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Biggest difference between this picture and the real one is the lack of a holy war waged in the name of the person standing in the middle.
[–]FateAV 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Einstein, while he decried religion and the human conceptions of God, still identified as an agnostic Deist per the possibility of a creator God who established the physical constants, initiated the universe etc. Fair enough, I'm just nitpicking.
[–]TaslemGuy 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Darwin was Christian, if I recall, and Einstein was deist.
[–]zenpocalypse 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
trying to claim Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson as atheists again? sigh
[–]nationpower 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
This. Tyson has stated he is agnostic, and doesn't like how people try to pin him to atheism.
[–]DeMartini 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
His own statements pretty much pin him down as an agnostic atheist. I have a lot of sympathy for him desiring to not be defined by a label, but I think the label is probably fair. I don't think anyone is going to believe he is an agnostic theist or even close to the middle.
[–]alexgeek 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
So the Atheists at this dinner party couldn't have invited him?
[–]ihatecinnamon 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Jesus was a jew teaching Christianity. Carl and Neil are agnostics teaching atheism. IMHO.
[–]zenpocalypse 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
i think you meant 'science'
[–]ihatecinnamon 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yes and no. It was a metaphor. Yes, they teach science. But for a lot of people (me included) science leads unequivocally to atheism. That process is what I meant with "teaching atheism".
[–]zenpocalypse 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
"But for a lot of people...". where is your data?
[–]HellboundAlleee 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
It's a sausage-fest, just like the original.
What about Marie Curie?
[–]wolfhunter2 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Einstein called himself an agnostic and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."
[–]GravyJigster 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
"I don't want to know how it works, I want to know how he thinks" I would consider Einstein as more of a deists. But of course everyone in this subreddit assumes that if the guy's a scientist, he must be an atheist.
[–]dVnt 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago*
No, not really. There are plenty of folks who do not fit this mold, and even some in this picture, but Einstein was not one of them.
I've never heard a definition of deism or pantehism that was logically distinct from atheism. If God does not intervene then God does not exist. And arguments for a prime mover are, necessarily and intrinsically, arguments from ignorance. (Or perhaps it would be more apt to call them arguments from unjustified, irrational expectations, "I expect I should be able to understand anything and everything about the universe, but I can't, therefor God.")
Einstein abstained from the term atheist for purely cultural reasons. If he could see the world today I have no doubt he would be... well fuck it, he would be locked away in his study, pondering the universe and ignoring his wife... but if he weren't doing that, he would be right up there with Stephen Hawking, et al.
Speaking of Hawking, Hawking has very "Einsteinian" beliefs. The difference is that he lives now, when people like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann exist and are an inextricable threat to the human race.
[–]The_Croquet_Player 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - A. Einstein
[–]PhallogicalScholar 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Einstein did believe in a God, just not a personal or active God. He called himself agnostic, due to being misrepresented as religious so often. [Citation]
[–]dVnt 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago*
That's funny, because he also remarked about how he didn't appreciate being cited as religious.
The difference between Einstein and atheism is the difference between the cultural environment of his era and ours. If Albert Einstein had to suffer the religion-on-your-sleeve nonsense that goes on today, as well as the pervasiveness of anti-intellectualism, I'm certain the polarity of his disposition towards atheism and theism would reverse.
I think it is woefully inappropriate to say that Einstein believed in a "God" considering the wealth of information we have about him ridiculing the concept as it is defined by the vast majority of people.
Einstein had profound admiration for the mystery of the universe. But it sided with science more than arguments from ignorance (arguments for deism/theism):
The man wasn't interested in intellectual dead ends; he abhorred anti-intellectualism. His criticism of atheism was specific to behavior of people who identified as atheists, not the philosophical position of atheism, for which his beliefs seem entirely compatible. He was interested in knowing how the universe worked and couldn't seem to help wonder if there was any form of consciousness out there that actually did understand how the universe worked.
Above all else, Einstein was probably smarter than most people and he didn't like other people pretending that they could explain or synthesize his views. He didn't trust anyone else to do it, so he didn't like using these labels.
[–]sikamikanico999 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Agnosticism and Atheism are not mutually exclusive.
[–]ZeroAccountability[] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
This is semantics as a lot of people define themselves as agnostic atheist. I would argue Einstein's position was one more of agnostic atheism than theism but I don't know jack shit on the subject so I won't.
[–]agnosgnosia 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
No Sam Harris? booooo
[–]hackeyedpirate 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
why is newton there? :P
[–]atheist_maybe 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Who is Judas?
[–]FTFTW 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Newton, I think.
[–]adenrules 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I don't see any babies on that table!
[–]combingmybaldhead 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Can you name all the guys in order, starting from the left. thanks
[–]aulis14 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Might go Hawkings up front on this one....
[–]sirtouch 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's a dinner party I would love to be at.
[–]duudass 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
wat? no hitchens? silly...
[–]Smallpaul 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Free-thinkers, maybe. Not all atheists.
[–]Omatnip99navE 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Why was Christopher Hitchens not invited?
[–]argondude 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Sooooooo. darwin is judas in this picture..... just thought Id point that out
[–]B0Boman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
not according to this. And wikipedia seems to agree.
[–]redsteakraw 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
From my research earlier Albert Einstein is not a Atheist but is also not a Theists. He has criticised atheists and seems to have been more favourable to the god idea. Although his idea of god is not quite like the Christian idea of a god. Before you downvote pleas read this article on his religious beliefs. To be more accurate he seems to be an agnostic believer of the Spinozian God. He does not belong in the picture instead I say Linus Torvalds should be there in place of Einstein, since he started the Kernel that powers the modern Internet webisites such as Google, Amazon, Facebook and Reddit and created Git the best version control ever. :)
[–]foxglove23 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
you forgot Kafka :( no worries, still a good spread!
Why so serious, Darwin?
[–]Chia909 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Whose the one where Judas is supposed to be sitting?
uuuh? Hitch?
[–]wakapedia 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
no Brian Cox? D:
[–]NoPityForTheMajority 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Who's the guy next to Curie?
[–]pablohernandez 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Who is the third and fifth from the left?
[–]magkfingrs 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
hahahaha....nice try though....!!!
[–]radwizard 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Tell me that is not Edison, behind Carl. If it is you have to be trolling. Tesla dude duh.
[–]CharlesSherman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Einstein would be upset.
[–]justanotherwiseass 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Where are Harris and Hitch!?
Blasphemer!
[–]Hirchak91 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I'm a science major, so I commend you on your work.
[–]sgondy 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This would be great and all, were half of those pictured actually atheists.
[–]riegnman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Is that Carlton on the right?
[–]Sternenlicht 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Before I clicked I was thinking, "Oh boy, this motherfucker better have Sagan in there."
[–]ivebeenhereallsummer 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Thank god Steve Jobs wasn't an atheist.
[–]Dwayne_Jason 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
WHERE'S HITCHENS?!?!?!
[–]mappberg 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
hey, those guys were all really smart!
[–]cosmicomet03 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Thanks for the new desktop wallpaper, beautiful and inspiring.
[–]herpderp229 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
TIL you cannot satisfy an atheist....SMH
[–]spoonspoon 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Would you be opposed to letting people print this off as a poster-sized photo?
Or, I need to find the actual person who put this together, to see of they care.
[–]Geek_Agent 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This...is my new favorite thing.
[–]ragaboo 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Where can I get a high-res version of this? I want to get it printed on a canvas for my wall. (Along with my upcoming Cave Johnson talkin portrait.)
[–]ConstipatedNinja 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I'd rather break bread with Dawkins than Desmond Tutu, to be honest.
[–]FabledLegend 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Where is Nietzsche?
[–]dlq84 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Anyone got this in 1920x1080?
[–]SalvageOperation 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Einstein was not an atheist
[–]HospitableJohnDoe 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yeah this is so not an Atheists last supper. Science, maybe. But why is Einstein Jesus? No doubt a brilliant intellect but not in the same class as Newton, who was a class all his own.
Newton for Jesus!
[–]yoos 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Very creative, but Einstein was no athiest, that's very clear if you read his stuff
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