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[–]applebag 217 points218 points ago

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gets grade back "fucking thing sucks!"

[–]I_saw_this_on_4chan 39 points40 points ago*

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Well the grader was obviously a pinhead.

I mean, me? Getting a low grade? You can't explain that.

[–]applebag 7 points8 points ago

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your grave will probably be six feet deep like mine

[–]I_saw_this_on_4chan 3 points4 points ago

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Well excuuuuuse ME.

[–]bluesclues59 2 points3 points ago

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aliens.

[–]tricolon 15 points16 points ago

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reading grader's notes "there's no words there!"

[–]gerken 10 points11 points ago

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To play us out, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

[–]Hejsaprut 59 points60 points ago

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Now, this I just dont get. Why does american schools have so many closed book tests? In Denmark, where I go to school (mechanical engineer), ALL written tests are open-book, and in oral tests you are usually allowed to bring a paper with notes.

Isn't this a better way? I mean;

This way they make the tests harder, so you really have to get the stuff in order to get a good grade, and it removes a lot of the emphasis from memorizing all kinds of formulas, which in no way represents how you're going to use the stuff in real life.

[–]Nutella_the_Hun 50 points51 points ago

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I can't speak for everyone, but in all my engineering classes we didn't have to memorize any formulas. Tests were not open-book, but the equations were all given to us on a separate equations sheet (but variables not defined). You had to recognize the formula, but not memorize it.

On the occasional open-book test, I would just find a similar example problem in the book and use it as a crutch. To me that involves a lesser understanding of the material.

[–]gingemeleon 15 points16 points ago

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i completely agree. in many of my science-ish classes that don't revolve around math (anthropology, psychology) an open book test, especially a midterm, wouldn't help a student learn the material at all. concepts are what's important when applying knowledge, and i find it very difficult to believe that knowledge is accurately portrayed on a test when the answers are right next to it. but hey, my friends dad is an engineer that builds roads and all he does is look at a book and tell people what to build.

tl;dr i dont think open book tests help learning in the slightest

[–]Mr_Academic 2 points3 points ago

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You can't just take a test designed to be closed book and make it open book -- you're right, that wouldn't help learning at all, it just makes it easier.

However, it's absolutely possible to create an open book exam that tests understanding rather than memorization. (A ton of my law school exams were open book.) One key element is that an open book exam needs to be timed and be designed to take up the time period. There should not be time for someone who doesn't know the material to look things up, but you're giving someone who just forgot a case name or part of a formula a chance to demonstrate their understanding of the material.

[–]gingemeleon 1 point2 points ago*

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i can agree with this, and that actually makes sense. i think in the realm of undergrad courses i've taken at my university an open book format for a test wouldn't be a spectacular way to test students, though, particularly because much of the information is so vital for future understanding of more complex ideas, but at the graduate level open book tests might work very well. specifics i guess haha, sorry for my response that sounds like an argument. i agree with you though that it can be a respectable way to test knowledge

edit* oh and about the first part of you reply: that was my exact notion for my original statement :)

[–]felix_dro 4 points5 points ago

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In one of my Physics classes, we had a 4 question open book open notes test which we had up to five hours to take. Average was a 55%. These tests can still be pretty hard and don't have to follow example problems.

[–]am4zon 0 points1 point ago

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In science class, yes they can. Can you imagine this in a literature course though?

[–]nonviolentprotestor 5 points6 points ago

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Same for me here in Canada, when I studied Mechanical Engineering. They test to see if you know how to use the information that is readily available to you, and will be on your shelf in your office (or cubicle). No one cares if you can remember unnecessary shit. Sadly, no one realizes this until university. Grade school and high school relies too heavily on memory work, rather than comprehension.

[–]Mr_Academic 2 points3 points ago

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Grade school and high school relies too heavily on memory work, rather than comprehension.

There is some stuff you just need to memorize, e.g. multiplication tables, spelling, branches of government, basic scientific vocabulary, etc.. You need a baseline of knowledge in order to be able to effectively look things up.

I do agree that more emphasis should be placed on comprehension and especially critical thinking.

[–]baconated 4 points5 points ago

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Canada here. We get formula sheets with unlabeled formulas. I find open book tests can be passed with now knowledge of the material, and simply combining your notes in the right order.

[–]OmegaVesko 2 points3 points ago

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Most exams in southeastern Europe are closed-book from what I've seen.

[–]youthoughtyouknewme 1 point2 points ago

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I'm American and all of my math, accounting, and statistics exams were open book/notes. It's all of the other classes that weren't.

[–]krisp9751 1 point2 points ago

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Most of my test were either open book or you were allowed to have a equation sheet or the formulas were given... no memorizing necessary. This is at YSU in Youngstown, Ohio, USA... all of my graduate tests I've had so far are open book and notes. I guess it just varies by university here and by class as well. I'm a mechanical engineer. Does it vary in Denmark too or is it the same all over??

[–]gothmog1114 0 points1 point ago

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I spent a year as a Penguin. Oh, the memories...

[–]MyPornographyAccount 1 point2 points ago

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UC Berkeley EECS alumnus reporting in: completely open book/open note tests were rare past intro classes. instead we got 1-4 pages of cheat sheets (some classes allowed typing, others did not). the reasoning was along the lines of, 'well at least you'll kind of be studying while making the cheat sheet, as opposed to you just carrying the book and lecture notes to the test and not studying at all".

I only had one engineering class that didn't allow cheat sheets of any kind. The prof, who just moved from Columbia university wanted us to memorize, among other things, de Casteljau's algorithm bezier algorithms, and b-spline curve algorithms. FUCK THAT SHIT!!! IF I WANTED TO MEMORIZE SEMI IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT CAN EASILY BE RETRIEVED FROM THE INTERNET I WOULD HAVE DONE PREMED! the projects for that class were pretty damn awesome, though.

[–]the_snook 0 points1 point ago

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So long as the questions are actually hard. I had an open book exam on quantum physics once. One of the questions was to write the correct spin matrix for something. Missed that lecture entirely so I looked it up. Turns out there are only something like 4 possible spin matrices and 2 of then are given as examples in the book. Took about 20s to work out which of the other 2 was the answer.

[–]stufff 0 points1 point ago

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I once had an open everything test in law school. Open book, open notes, open laptop, internet use was fair game, it wasn't explicitly stated but obviously with internet access you could contact other people to help you and even if not allowed no one would know.

It was one of the hardest fucking tests I've ever had. Nothing except my notes were remotely helpful, and I barely had time to look at those.

[–]spicy_jose 0 points1 point ago

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All engineering/physics exams (upper division at least) are open book or you can bring in a cheat sheet. This is so the questions are application and problem solving oriented. Most other majors are retention based so it wouldn't make sense for them to be open book.

[–]Calam1tous -5 points-4 points ago

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Of course its better. Our country is stuck on old methods that don't work.

[–]yep45 1 point2 points ago

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Not to bash Denmark, but I'd be willing to bet the US has a bit of an edge in that kind of thing

[–]stonedotjimmy 32 points33 points ago

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this quote is relevant in all situations

[–]groberts1980 9 points10 points ago

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Last week I was at a work conference about to present to a room of people on a three person panel, and the light in the projector burned out. I turn to the other two on the panel and said "fuck it, do it live!"

That quote has universal applicability.

[–]biggles86 24 points25 points ago

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open book midterms are the worst. Teacher can justify making the test harder and more about concepts not facts. and Unless you are good at fast finding and reading, a book won't help you

[–]croatianpride 4 points5 points ago

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you mean make it about facts not concepts right? I can't imagine anyone that would actually prefer a memorization exam on facts over one that tests your grasp on concepts...

[–]biggles86 14 points15 points ago

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Maybe i just had troll teachers but every open book test i had the book was next to useless.

[–]stufff 3 points4 points ago

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Yep, exactly this.

[–]aidaman 0 points1 point ago

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They wouldn't make it open book if they were just looking for simple facts that could be found in the book.

[–]danc1005 -2 points-1 points ago

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Welcome to America.

[–]MyNameCouldntBeAsLon 1 point2 points ago

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Well... you can always use the glossary of terms

[–]traken 8 points9 points ago

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Or study.

[–]mrkurtz 0 points1 point ago

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and pay attention in class.

[–]funkeepickle 0 points1 point ago

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[–]marvaden 1 point2 points ago

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The worst is open book and open internet. I had one like that for numerical computation (computer science and math hybrid course that had a lot of grad students, and I was undergrad). Next to nothing on that test had been covered in class or in the book.

[–]Alytia 1 point2 points ago

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Truth. I had a microbiology test where I spent the first 15 minutes desperately googling variations on 'large and small bacterial populations' and trying to figure out what the hell everything meant.

In the end I just shut the computer down, closed my books and did my best at all the questions from scratch. Handed it in to my lecturer with a whispered, shamefaced apology.

Still got a pretty decent mark. :)

[–]ProfessorImprobable 1 point2 points ago

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That is certainly what I do. 14 of 28 students just failed their open-everything midterm. "Oh, is this the first time you've looked at the book? Enjoy, motherfucker." I don't expect anyone to memorize how many bytes/cycles XCH takes, but I expect you to already know what I'm talking about and where to find it.

[–]puterTDI 9 points10 points ago

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I always make a 2 page sheet of notes.

I rarely use it, but making the notes actually involves a lot of studying. The page limit gives you a final end goal and makes you really think about the concepts so that you can write them down in the shortest possible form.

Worked well, had good grades for both my BS and masters in CS as well as CE.

[–]spicy_jose 1 point2 points ago

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Are you a physics professor? Lol. They always allow those at my University with the saying "it's more about making it then using it." But you're totally right.

[–]puterTDI 2 points3 points ago

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That's what all of my professors said, it took me about 2 years to realize that they were 100% correct.

I almost never actually use the notes. Once I realized that, I started making them for every single exam, even if they were not allowed.

[–]c4m 0 points1 point ago

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masters in CS?

What do you do now?

[–]puterTDI 2 points3 points ago

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I'm a software engineer working on Dynamics AX.

That being said, I'm hoping to get out of the AX area and into some of the more common languages/frameworks. For some reason companies seem to care what language you work in. My experience has been that an OO language is an OO language and as long as you know a similar language, working with a another one is easy.

[–]c4m 0 points1 point ago

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My experience has been that an OO language is an OO language and as long as you know a similar language, working with a another one is easy.

definitely.

Out of curiosity why did you go for a masters? Couldn't you have gotten a job working on Dynamics without a masters? Or were you driven purely by interest in some graduate-level topics?

[–]puterTDI 0 points1 point ago

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I was already enrolled in the masters program by the time I found the job in Dynamics. It was my first job out of college. By then the MA had become a goal, and I will do what is necessary to ensure that the MA pays off.

You're completely correct that I can work on AX without the MA, but the fact that I got the MA while working full time I feel does say something to potential employers about my dedication and willingness to work. I'm hoping that at some point my MA is reflected in my salary.

[–]groberts1980 0 points1 point ago

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I have a B.S. in CS and just started a masters in Information Assurance and Security because my company offers it completely for free (not a shitty reimbursement program). I wasn't even going to get a masters, but when it's being dangled in front of me for free, why not?

That being said, I have an open book mid term in two weeks. Definitely plan on studying my ass of for it anyway because it's timed. It's an "at home" exam but he releases it at 5 and it's due by email at 8pm.

[–]princesszetsubo 0 points1 point ago

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This. It's far more important to have a solid foundation in OO concepts, clean code and efficient algorithms.

[–]puterTDI 1 point2 points ago

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yup, unfortunately I've talked to some recruiters and they already told me that my asking price is very very reasonable for an area I'm "experienced" in, but since I haven't "worked with" C# or Java in the workplace I need to ask 15k less at a minimum.

Kinda ridiculous, but in my mind it's a worthy price to pay to get out of being locked into a single career path. Unfortunately, I got hired on at my current place of employment at significantly below the going rate, and I've learned that even once you prove yourself the employer will not bring you up to the going rate, they use your starting rate as an excuse to keep you low. This means that whatever place I get hired at I'll have to leave in order to get up to a competitive rate.

[–]gerken 0 points1 point ago

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Really? I recently got my BS in CS and was working as an intern at the company I now work at full time. Before I finished by BS they hired me on as a salary employee at the same rate they hire non-engineers. Once I completed my BS they gave me a substantial raise, and then my yearly raise + bonus. All this while i feel as though i am under-performing.

I believe you are simply working for a bad company.

[–]puterTDI 0 points1 point ago

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I'm pretty well aware that it's a bad company. I'm not the only one that is looking to leave.

I guess this does give me hope that after I prove myself I can expect them to bump my salary up to a competitive rate, so I won't have to leave that company.

[–]Inchwormer 8 points9 points ago

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Studying for all midterms....

[–]loodroomer 1 point2 points ago

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There are no words there.

[–]xDynaBlade 1 point2 points ago

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Open book tests are generally harder and you end up pressed for time because you don't study and then spend the entire time flipping through pages trying to find the info you're looking for.

[–]MulderFoxx 1 point2 points ago

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As a adjunct prof (in the past) I can safely say we hope like hell you do.

Open Book exams are a scam. Those who study like hell so that they can find the material they need in a moments notice are in essence, studying for the exam and end up using their materials a lot less than they thought they would.

Those who don't bother doing this fumble around looking for the answers to easier questions and the curve ends up being the same.

plus there is the added bonus of looking like Good Guy Grader Prof when you announce the test will be open book.

[–]iExtrapolate 1 point2 points ago

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I always make a page of notes when tests are like this.

You can answer questions much faster when you don't have to search for things in the book.

Also, if you lack a conceptual understanding beforehand, there isn't enough time to learn it on the test.

[–]timmy2000 1 point2 points ago

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Get's a 70. Woo hoo! "A" here I come! Ride that curve, baby you know it! I make partial credit my bitch! You want partial credit? You can't be engineer! With partial credit, bridge fall down! Here's a dime. Go call your mother to pick you up and not waste your time!

[–]NegativeSquareRoot 0 points1 point ago

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it wasn't a good idea in my first thermo. midterm though!

[–]KyleGibson 0 points1 point ago

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Can't honestly say I didn't laugh

[–]embrace_themartain 0 points1 point ago

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OPEN BOOK?! How did you jedi fucking mind trick your way into that?

[–]groberts1980 3 points4 points ago

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It't not that uncommon. Some professors are more interested in learning as opposed to memorizing.

[–]CptSpaulding 0 points1 point ago

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yeah, just like the person who made this relevant comic that many of us can relate to.

[–]duckedtapedemon 0 points1 point ago

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I had what was probably intended to be a work together, open book midterm online. However it was never explicility stated, and in general my school (is supposed to) take cheating seriously, so I decided to work on my own. I still planned to "Do it Live" with my book and notes at least, but then my power flickered and I had to get the test reset. After I talked to the teacher on the phone to get it reset, I lost my nerve, did it mostly blind, and tried to take it quickly.

Get to class, find out he was ok with people doing it in groups because he'd never mentioned otherwise. Excuse me for trying to treat it like every other class.

[–]omsian 0 points1 point ago

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Unfortunately, this rarely works...

[–]Harmpwn 0 points1 point ago

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I now have a new background, tiled naturally.

[–]JTDeuce 0 points1 point ago

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I have finals next week. Fuck the quarter system.

[–]BorisYeltsin09 0 points1 point ago

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Ohhhhh man this one made me laugh out loud.

[–]inlovewithpbj 0 points1 point ago

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I have an open book exam in a couple hours and this just gave me the motivation to do it fucking live!

[–]kosepaa 0 points1 point ago

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I wish it was this easy for programming. Also we have to write java-code on paper :(

Edit: Yes, it's an open-book exam.

[–]gerken 0 points1 point ago

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I once had a class that required a large semester long programming project (like always). Then the final was a series of questions which asked you to write an implementation of X where X is a part of the semester long assignment. Luckily since I had no idea what to study I had practically memorized the program and was breezing through the exam but a lot of people were frantically scribbling and erasing code.

...Even though I had memorized the answers I still barely finished in time and with a large throbbing pain in my right hand. These tests suck so hard.

[–]smokeygreen420 0 points1 point ago

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DO IT FUCKING LIVE!! you should put some Dillinger Escape Plan references in your exams!!

[–]tree_D 0 points1 point ago

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Open... BOOK??!!

[–]ScarlettTakesATumble 0 points1 point ago

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Clicked expecting lame. Well done.

[–]SnallTrippin 0 points1 point ago

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I did this in my Civil Procedure class midterm, went fine actually...but probably got lucky.

[–]AlexFahrenheit 0 points1 point ago

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TO PLAY US OUT!? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!

[–]Grizzant 0 points1 point ago*

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just index your book well and you'll be fine. I love the mini sticky notes/legal sticks for that. they are like 1/2" wide and 2 inches long. so just put a small note on it and place it on the page.

relevant: http://imgur.com/MVUyA

[–]sgtrhymz 0 points1 point ago

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I try and make all of my decisions this way

[–]chesbrough 0 points1 point ago

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I was playing poker at a casino that allowed live straddles. I straddle and the dealer announces there is a live straddle in the hand to which I yell "FUCK IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE!" Everybody just looked at me like I was fucking crazy haha, joke wasted.

[–]ugh2962 0 points1 point ago

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I'm "studying" with bud light tall boys... My online final is going to go well :)

[–]blart_history 0 points1 point ago

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Your what?

[–]alle0441 0 points1 point ago

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I'm thinking about doing this for my open book PE exam coming up.

[–]Joejoejoemoe 0 points1 point ago

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Im gonna sound dumb but... Where is this from?

[–]A2Aegis 0 points1 point ago

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I did this today. Horrible idea.

[–]Bigcats34 0 points1 point ago

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DEADMAU5.

[–]CaptainJackie9919 0 points1 point ago

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I hate open-book tests! As a teacher said once "an open-book test is basically a license to give a sadistic test". His tests always had averages of 32% with the highest grade 44%.

[–]ehorgan 0 points1 point ago

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Open book midterms? Do you go to clown college or something?

[–]Lasallexc 0 points1 point ago

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It's actually "We'll do it live, fuck it!"

/melvin

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

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My professors were notoriously good with their open book shit. For the finals, they announced that they would be open book. Everyone was happy thinking that they don't have to study. Come test time, the test was so hard and so long that you'd spend more time trying to find answers than actually answering. Only half the class pass because everyone didn't have enough time to answer their questions.

[–]pav413 0 points1 point ago

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I want to wear a shirt with this on it and walk into my classes during finals :)

[–]belleayreski 0 points1 point ago

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this might be the best use of this meme i have ever seen

[–]Farisr9k 0 points1 point ago

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I've seen this exact same thing get over 1000 upvotes 3 times in the past 9 months.

[–]Aszolus 0 points1 point ago

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I did this today. After I got home I realized I made a huge, recurring mistake. :(

[–]reedstiffer 0 points1 point ago

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DEADMAUU5, blew my mind when he dropped the tune with this sampled

[–]Mouth_Full_Of_Dry 0 points1 point ago

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Cannot tell you how many times I've said this aloud for regular exams.

[–]Solomaxwell6 0 points1 point ago

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Haha. Open book midterms are the best. There was one time I realized at 2am "Hey, I have a test tomorrow at 10. And I didn't study. And I haven't gone to the last five classes." Still got an A or B, all because of open book. :)

[–]Slippyy -1 points0 points ago

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"open book midterm" = "jumbo shrimp"

[–]Jebise79 -1 points0 points ago

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Open laptop exams with internet

Fuck this will be easy I can just search the problems on google and make it fit the actual problem on the test, I have time to browse reddit for 10 minutes before I start working on this test.

[–]Oddacity -1 points0 points ago

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Oh look, it's this joke again.

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