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She hated them before you knew who they were. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]iamablackbeltman 80 points81 points ago

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Origins in the 1940s

The term itself was coined during the jazz age, when "hip" emerged as an adjective to describe aficionados of the growing scene. Although the adjective's exact origins are disputed, some say it was a derivative of "hop," a slang term for opium, while others believe it comes from the West African word "hipi," meaning "to open one's eyes." Nevertheless, "hip" eventually acquired the common English suffix -ster (as in spinster and gangster), and "hipster" entered the language.

The first dictionary to list the word is the short glossary "For Characters Who Don't Dig Jive Talk," which was included with Harry Gibson's 1944 album, Boogie Woogie In Blue. The entry for "hipsters" defined them as "characters who like hot jazz." Initially, hipsters were usually middle-class white youths seeking to emulate the lifestyle of the largely black jazz musicians they followed. In The Jazz Scene (1959), author Eric Hobsbawm (originally writing under the pen name Francis Newton) described hipster language — i.e., "jive-talk or hipster-talk" — as "an argot or cant designed to set the group apart from outsiders." However, the subculture rapidly expanded, and after World War II, a burgeoning literary scene grew up around it. Jack Kerouac described 1940s hipsters as "rising and roaming America, bumming and hitchhiking everywhere [as] characters of a special spirituality." In his essay "The White Negro," Norman Mailer characterized hipsters as American existentialists, living a life surrounded by death — annihilated by atomic war or strangled by social conformity — and electing instead to "divorce [themselves] from society, to exist without roots, to set out on that uncharted journey into the rebellious imperatives of the self."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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it was the term for the "it crowd"...before it was cool

[–]AnonymousRainbow 0 points1 point ago

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the "it crowd"

...that was a good show. Sad they ended it, thanks for reminding me. :(

[–]Fidena 7 points8 points ago

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The 1920's was the jazz age. The 1940's was more... the swing age.

[–]Sebulbasaur 11 points12 points ago

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Swing was popular music in the 1940s. Hipsters were listening to bebop.

[–]Baron_Tartarus 2 points3 points ago

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And since this picture is black and white, it has to be an old picture, since black and white photos can't be made anymore.

[–]Jamesc1116 2 points3 points ago

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I was listening to dubstepp in the 40's.

[–]Jubjubs 7 points8 points ago

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Actually Swings popularity waned in the 1940s, Bebop was what all of the hipsters were listening to at the time.

[–]wisenheimer 0 points1 point ago

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"Watch out for the cats in the bebop hats, They're living in the past"

      -*Jimi Hendrix onstage banter between songs during a concert*

[–]marcymarcmarc 3 points4 points ago

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that's why they were hip

[–]Zeulodin 0 points1 point ago

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The most annoying type of hipsters are the ones that self-righteously remind the people they are conversing with that the term hipster originally described a completely different group of people, like they think you're a fuckin' 13 years old. The explanation is usually followed by a "Do-you-even-know-who-Burroughs-was?" kind of look.

[–]krispwnsu -1 points0 points ago

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Thank you. I was just about to leave a comment stating what hipsters were back in the day but you worded it beautifully.

[–]ab3nnion -1 points0 points ago

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Reminds me of the beatnik in Banty Raids.

[–]cnet14 10 points11 points ago

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Maxine??

[–]ritmusic2k 4 points5 points ago

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I wanted to make this comment. Kudos to you, cnet.

[–]ColonicIrritation 60 points61 points ago

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I'm only 23 and the term "hipster" always conjures images in my mind's eye of beatniks with berets and goatees, doing beat poetry while playing the bongo.

Somehow, it became a buzzword for anyone that's a bit unique, stylish, bizarre, bohemian, hippy tendencies, pretentious, into non-mainstream music etc... which seems like a massively sweeping term for lots of people of different strokes.

You can have some french-mustached fixie riding guy with a monocle that listens to jazz, a girl with dreads that plays the ukelele and works in a coffee shop, or some 16 year old kid with those plastic venetian-blind glasses, colourful hair and piercings that listens to crunk... and all of them will get called hipsters at some point.

Out of all the subculture terms i've heard, modern hipsters seem to be either a vastly diverse bunch of people, or the term is being used liberally by silly people.

[–]funkah 40 points41 points ago

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Yes, it is essentially meaningless as a descriptor. Pretty much it just means "person whose clothes I don't like", and in a lot of cases I believe it's just a more-acceptable way to call someone a faggot.

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[–]iesvs 5 points6 points ago

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Considering the old terminology, I think the modern hipster connotation is accurate. Both project a snide sense of self-importance and a constant need to avoid popular trends, while still claiming to set them. For some reason I never made the association before. Interesting how history repeats itself simply because we're all a bunch of forgetful idiots.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Forgetful? Its hard to remember the 1940's when you weren't there.

[–]iesvs 1 point2 points ago

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I meant collectively, as a civilization. Should've clarified a little more, I guess.

[–]iloveyounohomo -1 points0 points ago*

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I always thought a "hipster" was someone who was capable of living a normal life and instead chose to embrace a life of simulated poverty. For instance, when I see some 20 year old kid driving a brand new 2012 Jetta out of the parking lot of his nice $800/month apartment complex while smoking American Spirit cigarettes and listening to... The Best of Bread on 8 track I assume that person is a hipster. I think they are the so called "Yuppies" retarded cousin.

Then there are those who try to emulate these people (for whatever reason) and hipster culture is born.

Or it's just something people call one another instead of "faggot" as suggested above.

Edit: the last bit is probably the way most of us use the term "hipster" these days.

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[–]phelpsr 0 points1 point ago

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I don't consider myself an atractive male, "meh" is a better description, but I am regularly called a hipster. I find it gets tossed around when people deem something unconventional or a bit eccentric. I agree that the feel of the word around reddit holds a bit of envy.

[–]scottb84 -3 points-2 points ago

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I suspect it varies from person to person.

I probably could’ve been labeled a hipster a few short years ago. But I grew up. I realized it was not only lame but perhaps even a little offensive to ironically appropriate working class symbols. I realized that music isn’t really that important. I realized that my head hurt a lot more after a night of hard drinking than it used to. I realized that it was better to stand for something than to just stand around.

When I slag hipsters, it doesn’t come from a place of jealousy. Really, it comes from a place of hope. I hope some of those kids learn to put away childish things and do something constructive with their lives. If hipsters had the progressive politics and solidarity to match their flannel work shirts and boiled wool coats, we’d probably be living in a better world.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago

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Well not me. There's a uniform, they are easily spotted. And decent looking doesn't come into it.

Liked old hipsters. Kerouac and Burrows. Not the new ones.

[–]givegodawedgie 4 points5 points ago

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A safe measure of using hipster is a lot more their attitude than their dress style, and it is usually pretty damn accurate if you use it that way.

[–]LennyPalmer 2 points3 points ago

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More or less. It has become a synonym for pretentious, which is fair, but even using it in this way gives room to call vast array of people hipsters. And then, the word is misused on top of that to describe anyone who likes specific things - things people don't like. So, basically, liking any band, book or movie on this planet makes you a hipster to somebody.

I've heard the word used to describe so many completely unrelated things and people that it has lost all meaning. It's basically just a word for people who don't like the same shit as you do.

[–]EvilAce 0 points1 point ago

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people nowadays don't even know what it means. that's why the term is being thrown around so much by everyone. what I find odd is that when insults like this are used to describe social groups, they usually adopt the term as their own (example: "punk"), but these new hipsters uniquely reject it and instead use the term as an insult against each other. I guess it's because insulting hipsters is popular, and hipsters do what's popular (and then claim they don't).

I suspect it also has something to do with the very basis of the culture, in that it's almost a competition. the coolest hipster is the one who knows about the most obscure things or knew about the most popular things before they were popular. This means if you are with another hipster who knows more than you, you have three choices: be less cool than him, just leave, or insult him and call him a hipster. this is what i mean by competition. the culture is not a brotherhood like most others. the hipsters repel each other and therefore don't want to be considered part of the culture.

Anyway, I think that's how the term got to mean so many different things. When a hipster uses it to insult someone else, he needs to be careful not to describe himself, so he changes the meaning a little bit each time until the word loses all of its meaning because everyone's a hipster.

[–]ColonicIrritation 1 point2 points ago

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"Hipster" just seems to describe an attitude rather than any one style though. Most subcultures are easy to identify as they have a relatively specific uniform (bling and baggy pants for hiphop, floppy hair and skinny jeans for emo, mohawks and leather jackets for punks etc...), but some people deemed hipsters couldn't possibly have more contrasting styles and tastes. It seems like hipsterdom is more of a personality type than anything else.

[–]EvilAce 0 points1 point ago

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hip hop, emo, and punk are all personality types as well, but they also have their own genres of music. hipsters don't have that.

[–]Drunkandwise 3 points4 points ago

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They do, but you probably never heard of them

[–]A_True_Hipster -2 points-1 points ago

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Spoken like a true hipster :-)

[–]ColonicIrritation 0 points1 point ago

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True, although having an angsty disposition doesn't necessarily make you emo, and being anarchistic and politically involved doesn't mean you're a punk... from what i've read so far, it seems like to be a bonafide hipster all you need is a pretentious attitude.

[–]born2lovevolcanos 0 points1 point ago

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Out of all the subculture terms i've heard, modern hipsters seem to be either a vastly diverse bunch of people, or the term is being used liberally by silly people.

I don't see a problem with both of these being true. The way the word is used now, hipsters aren't one unique subculture. My understanding of the word is that it refers to people who are involved in something simply because they think it's the hip and underground thing to do.

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There's a particular kind of douchebag who is into avant garde shit just because it's avant garde, not because he is actually moved by it in any substantial way.

Every subculture has posers like this. Douchebag phony hippies, for instance.

Let's not forget douchebag hipster computer hackers. I collect all of these documentaries about computing in past decades, and the stuff made around 1990 just shows the massive degree of douchebag phonies who were part of the "hacker" subculture. Then hacker subculture was often full of shit talk about who was a real hacker. It was and is hilarious.

Douchebag rave babies in absurdly sized pants.

Anyway I've seen lots of pictures about what hipsters look like and I agree, they look like a bunch of assholes. But the only place I ever see them is on the Internet.

Maybe move to another region or something, would be good. For a lot of the complainants. In this here regard. Like maybe the problem is you chose to live in douchebagville. Honestly if you chose to move to San Francisco for any reason on your own accord, and now complain about hipsters: HA HA YOU ARE ONE.

All of that said, I have met lots of people who were into "like really underground shit" throughout my life who were just genuinely bored with mainstream culture.

BTW, this rocked my socks:

french-mustached fixie riding guy with a monocle that listens to jazz

What is great about any hipster discussion is the final allegation of any discussion, which is that everyone having the discussion is a hipster. In the end there is no position one can take on hipsters (including apathy), without being a hipster oneself.

A singularity of hipsterdom.

[–]Fuckin_Hipster 15 points16 points ago

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Well, fuck her then.

[–]Bodie1550 5 points6 points ago*

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Hates hipsters. Loves her hip replacement.

[–]lotophage77 13 points14 points ago

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She hated hipsters before it was cool

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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Wait... but that would mean!!!.... she's.... A..... HIPSTER!!!!!

[–]levnikolayevichmys 0 points1 point ago

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HA HA BEFORE IT WAS COOL, GOOD ONE BRO

[–]funkah 9 points10 points ago

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Whenever I see somebody whining on the internet about "hipsters", this is pretty much how I envision them. Boring bitter assholes who haven't had fun in forever and probably forgot how.

[–]rtsgrtsgrtsg 0 points1 point ago

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are they wearing the same hipster glasses as the old lady in OP's pic?

[–]FaultyWires 3 points4 points ago

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All she wanted was her sweater with kittens on it, but they kept getting bought out.

[–]mr_oof 1 point2 points ago

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You mean, 'she liked Kitten Sweaters before they sold out.' FTFY.

[–]striker250 1 point2 points ago

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Are you sure she's talking about the people and not the kind of underwear?

[–]someotherkarin -1 points0 points ago

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dammit. beat me to this.

[–]Kerbobotat 1 point2 points ago

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Hipsters, I think, are just people with a certain attitude; the attitude of "Im superior to all these mainstream sheeple, they don't understand real music/film/art/literature/fashion like I do, they just follow the crowd. Im going to break down the boundaries and show everyone that I wont be shackled with the same yoke of oppression they are!

[–]dixonticonderoga 0 points1 point ago

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She is the epitome of how I picture most of reddit.

[–]purpleghost89 0 points1 point ago

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Reddit spokes-grandma!

[–]missing-alt-text 0 points1 point ago

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Black and white photo of an older white woman. She stands with hands on hips wearing a large straw hat and dark sunglasses. She wears a white T-shirt with the caption "Death to hipsters"

[–]MIDItheKID -1 points0 points ago

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She hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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How hip!

[–]Lawsuitup 0 points1 point ago

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the tables have turned and the shoe is on the other foot now.

[–]summerteeth 0 points1 point ago

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If I saw a 20-30 year old wearing that shirt I would assume they were a hipster.

[–]legacybranded7 0 points1 point ago

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This made my day.

[–]Tenshi_girl 0 points1 point ago

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This is especially funny to me, because 'hipsters' are the special underwear with padded hips and butt that the elderly residents at my facility wear to prevent injury when they fall.

[–]RIPdig 0 points1 point ago

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Hipsters are seniors with hip replacements.

[–]hotchocolateboy 0 points1 point ago

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And she was wearing live strong bracelets before they were cool.

[–]istilldrinkpbr 0 points1 point ago

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How ironic.

[–]pseudolobster -3 points-2 points ago

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Thanks, I'm sure no one here has seen this before.

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[–]pseudolobster 0 points1 point ago

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Incidentally, I've been away from the internet for the most part for the past few weeks. This just happens to be one of those pictures that gets reposted very, very, very, frequently. I'm sure karmadecay didn't find all copies. This has been posted at least three dozen times now. Maybe even closer to fifty.

I'd go as far as to say if you haven't seen this before, it's the internet's way of letting you know you're not spending nearly enough time on the internet.

[–]timeformetofly -1 points0 points ago

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I haven't seen it before. Tattlletales like you are snotty and boooooring.

[–]Dakster11 0 points1 point ago

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I think she's being ironic.

[–]NecDW4 0 points1 point ago

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Who they were THEN isn't the same as who they are NOW. Though i bet she'd hate them now also.

[–]swizzlesticks85 0 points1 point ago

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I wish I could upvote this 50x.

[–]boozecruisin 0 points1 point ago

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I literally heard someone on the bus today say "I liked indie music before it was cool. I was really into the whole underground southern Ontario scene" without a TRACE of irony. She was also knitting a scarf to complete the cliche.

[–]Olpainless 0 points1 point ago

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Anyone who listened to Britpop pre-Oasis/Pulp/Blur can claim to be indie I suppose.

[–]Gyrant -2 points-1 points ago

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oh my fuck reddit. shut the fuck up about hipsters already. Is there really nothing else to talk about? really reddit?

[–]littlebrendan -1 points0 points ago

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Dear god, thank you. None of it is funny. Every time I see rants and jokes about hipsters and "X blanked X before it was cool!", I want to shove a golden calf up my urethra.

[–]timeformetofly -1 points0 points ago

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There are plenty of other topics. Why not click on them instead of coming on this one to bitch?

[–]Gyrant -1 points0 points ago

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there are plenty of other topics, why not do something interesting with your time on the internet instead of circle jerking over an arbitrary cookie-cutter personality that you have never actually encountered in real life but you like to make fun of because thats what everyone else is doing.

[–]Roach55 -1 points0 points ago

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Yeah, broken hipsters.

[–]johnnybrochill -1 points0 points ago

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Little does she know that one day all hipsters will dress in a similarly ironic fashion.

[–]Mark_Lincoln -1 points0 points ago

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Back in her day they were called "Plastic Hippies."

[–]reddelicious77 -1 points0 points ago

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She hated them before you were born.

FTFY

[–]Babayaga20000 -4 points-3 points ago

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I hate you for reposting this and getting to the second page

[–]rtsgrtsgrtsg -2 points-1 points ago

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...pretty sure I just saw a hipster wearing her sunglasses.

[–]dalittle -2 points-1 points ago

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ironic, because she looks like an old hipster.

[–]mustyburger -1 points0 points ago

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Is she the real life Maxine?

[–]NocktrnlEmission -1 points0 points ago

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A hipster is making this shirt right now.

[–]Solicer -1 points0 points ago

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Of all people, I wouldn't expect her to be against those who advocate for hip replacements.

[–]SpaceFaceOn -1 points0 points ago

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Hipsters don't really exist anymore.

[–]GodShapedBullet -1 points0 points ago

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I liked ironically liking ironically hating hipsters before it was cool before it was cool before it was cool.

[–]Zachreese92 -1 points0 points ago

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i think she is talking about her replacement hips

[–]shaneisgreenland -1 points0 points ago

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So... does this mean she killed herself?

[–]aidaman -1 points0 points ago

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I feel like this was photoshopped lol.

[–]Chalupa112 -1 points0 points ago

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The tittle makes it kind of redundant, don't you think?

[–]okonisfree -1 points0 points ago

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She probably thought hipster meant "that which causes hip breakage"

[–]KarlyPilkoids -1 points0 points ago

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Why is it that I see a dummystupid post on the front page every other day?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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maybe she meant the type of underwear?

[–]ThisUsernameSucks -1 points0 points ago

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she hated hipsters before it was cool

[–]MrTump -1 points0 points ago

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Larry David?

[–]sniches -1 points0 points ago

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someone link me on where to buy this shirt

[–]Jacob13 -1 points0 points ago

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They're called hipsters cause they all have hip replacements.

[–]behaaki -4 points-3 points ago

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She hated them before THEY knew who they were..

FTFY

[–]faggotoni -5 points-4 points ago

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You do realize hipsters isn't a new term, right?

[–]el_capitan_obvio -4 points-3 points ago

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I hated this picture before you realized you were reposting it.

;)

[–]ben26 -2 points-1 points ago

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she was a hipster before it was cool

[–]siskiyoufire -2 points-1 points ago

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death to this repost...

[–]checherbud -4 points-3 points ago

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The funny thing is that she is dead and I (a "hipster") am still alive and well.

HATERZ MAKE US FAMOUS

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