To your first point: That is absolutely fair. To the rest . . . well, I am afraid I'm going to have to disagree with a couple of your points. First, I am not willing to credit Catholics with responsibility for "half the science we have today." In fact, given the church's stance on science for most of its existence, I . . . well I don't see how anybody could say that with a straight face. The historical record is pretty clear on this. Anyway, yes, we're all human and equal, so we're in concert on that, but there is one thing upon which I would like to be VERY clear--we (most of us here, anyway) are in no way attempting to disprove God. We know about negative proofs and therefore don't attempt them. But, as has been said thousands of time here in various ways: DISPROVING GOD IS NOT OUR JOB! It is the job of the faithful to produce evidence, ANY evidence, for a divine creator, and it is our contention that this has never been done--not even once--in all of recorded history. (We have certain standards for what constitutes evidence.) And given that lack, we see no reason to credit God with anything, not even simple existence. It is not a question of denial, it's one of simply not accepting something purely because an anonymous bronze-age author said it was so. Anyway, again, your first point is completely fair, and I am going to make it a bit of a mission to point that out when I see it in other contexts.