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Bibles For Haiti (fumaga.com)
submitted 1 year ago by jesusonadinosaur
[–]Malek061 114 points115 points116 points 1 year ago
relevant
[–]ecto1ajon 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
I love the Onion. They are always so spot-on.
[–]frodevil 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
"They raised the funds with bake-offs,BBQs, and pie-eating contests."
Fucking gold.
[–]icai 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Haiti would be better off with trees. And I don't mean trees that have been turned to pulp.
[–]pmac135 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Bible paper rolls real well.
[–]grubas 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Considering that all Bible paper is treated, it's bad to use to smoke. Once you throw in the ink, it's even worse.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Aaaaaaaaand smoking it is still the better use...
[–]grubas 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
It's very useful if you're looking to weigh something down or need a doorstop!
[–]Itgrowsindirt4godsak 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"Oh that's cool we need some more toilet paper"
[–]MinisterOfTheDog 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
So, the Bible gives you cancer?
[–]grubas 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I wouldn't be surprised.
[–]Schleeg 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
There's a space cut out with a sandwich inside.
[–]cuck 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
When I was doing work there we handed out little notebooks for children to decorate as a craft for a day camp. They ate the paper. So actually, while it seems like satire, many people would eat the Bible if it came to that. Also, we had people come to us asking for Bibles.
[–]anderal 227 points228 points229 points 1 year ago
When I was in high school, I went on a mission trip with my church to Mexico. We helped build a house and gave them some food, then also gave them a bible. That was probably taken in a similar situation. If they are just some people walking around giving out bibles, I agree that it's wrong but that's probably not the case.
[–]piss_artist 65 points66 points67 points 1 year ago*
I run an orphanage in Rwanda and we get church groups popping in all the time. Nearly without exception they show up, drop off a bag of second hand clothes, a box of bibles or Christian literature, take a million photos with the cute little African orphans (only the small boys, they don't want the teenagers in the shots) to show their church back home and hop back on their chartered bus to their fancy hotel. So in my experience this photo sums things up nicely.
[–]Thayere 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
I came from an Evangelical and Fundamentalist background and was connected to a variety of Christian circles throughout the country (fundamentalist and non). I can also support that this is what I saw happening on a consistent basis. I was always uncomfortable with us spending tens of thousands of dollars on ourselves (travel, lodging, food, etc) to take these trips, even if the ones who went did spend some of the time working on erecting a building or something.
I didn't understand why we didn't just send the money directly. The tens of thousands spent on ourselves could be used to pay for a good amount of labor and materials, in turn also stimulating their local economy (however slightly).
I occasionally see pictures from these types of trips arising in my news feed from the handful of people I'm still friends with who were from my religious background. Tourist, tourist, snapshot with everybody placing their hands on some rebar, tourist, picture with black kids, bible pictures, more pictures with black kids, tourist, restaurant, bible verse picture, tourist, more pictures with black kids, pictures at the airport, pictures of the church celebrating all the good work God is doing and everybody circlejerking about how awesome they all are at being the arms and legs of the LORD.
[–]eepeppeep 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I think actually going there and showing you the people must have taught you more about poverty than just sending money. I'm sure the trips weren't just to help the poor people, but to also teach you about giving and being grateful.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I'm sure the starving African children feel the same way. That life lesson is much better than food and medicine.
[–]Thayere 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I did not travel overseas on short-term missions trips, because I thought it was a waste of money. I was speaking about those at my church, at a number of other churches I associated with, and variety of Christian organizations that I followed. I heard testimony from a variety of individuals on a variety of different trips with a variety of different Christian organizations. They were all basically the same -- expensive, with marginal real contribution and extended efforts spent on proselytizing. Even the works and the relationship building are primarily to establish connections with others to increase the chances of them being receptive to your religious message. I'm not shitting you, this was (and remains) the standard operating procedure for most Christian organizations that are zealous enough about their faith to spend their time and money to proselytize.
Even if what you're saying is true (and I relatively strongly disagree) about the trips also being about teaching us about giving and being grateful, it's absolutely not worth the tens of thousands of dollars that these trips cost. Sure, the personal lessons may have been a minor plus, but they were bonuses, not active and motivating factors.
[–]eepeppeep 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I see :(
[–]Thayere 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
It's not to say most of them don't have the best of intentions... but good intentions are apparently what pave the road to hell, if the aphorism holds water.
[–]TheAntiZealot 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
It should be modified to: "The greater the distance between good intentions and knowledge, the more direct the path to hell is."
Or: "good intentions combined with ignorance lead to suffering" (even minor examples fit this, like buying someone a gift that makes them cry due to the insensitivity of it or trying to have good table manners in a foreign country that turns out to be considered extremely rude behavior, etc)
[–]Atario 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I run an orphanage in Rwanda
Holy shit, you really do find all kinds on this here reddit thingajigger.
[–]FoxifiedNutjob 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
Last time I went to Church, and I do mean the LAST time, I kept hearing our Pastor yak on and on about certain "needy" causes and people the Church was "giving" to only to find out after a few months of giving my tithe, the Church is now going to build a new gymnasium. Then they declared last week, they were also purchasing a brand new tour bus for road trips. The last straw was when the Pastor's wife drove up in a new Cadillac.
Now, how much of my tithe do you think actually went to helping the needy or feeding the Children?! There is no way of knowing how much the church really actually gave to the needy or hungry. They just say "trust us"?
Churches are in the business of scamming money just like anything else. Panhandlers in a Fancy building!
If you want to really help needy people then give your money directly to them or at least a credible charity, but never give your money to a Church!
[–]jimbokun 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"There is no way of knowing how much the church really actually gave to the needy or hungry."
My church gives a pretty thorough accounting statement of its budget every year and welcomes questions about how the money is being spent. I would say that anyone should run far away from any non profit organization lacking transparency about exactly where their money is going.
[–]pintomp3 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
There actually was a group that send solar powered bibles. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/01/us-faith-group-sends-hundreds-of-solar-powered-bibles-to-haiti/1
These bibles took up precious cargo space. There weren't a lot of places planes could land at the time.
[–]sigilvii 84 points85 points86 points 1 year ago
Yep, you're definitely right. Cherry-picked photo done up to imply that they just handed out bibles and that is all. They were there to rebuild, feed, and give out bibles.
[–]BorschtFace 82 points83 points84 points 1 year ago*
It saddens me to see people who spend their money and time going to these places criticized for actually doing something.
[–]systemid2000 72 points73 points74 points 1 year ago
I respect the hell out of them. However I resent the fact that they try to use their kindness to convert these desperate people to their faith. I would respect them a lot more if they weren't handing them out. The missionaries probably feel like they are helping soothe these peoples minds by telling them there is hope after this horrible existence they live. Maybe it works, unfortunately the poor of third world countries aren't on reddit.
[–]andrewchi 61 points62 points63 points 1 year ago
Why don't you go there and handout iPads and teach them how to use reddit.
[–]BorschtFace 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
Excellent point. By putting in the effort to actually go there and help them, you earn the right to talk with them for 2 minutes. Don't like what people are telling them? By all means, go there too and make yourself heard.
[–]Waff1es 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago*
Why can't they just do a nice thing without attaching something to it? When I do charitable deeds I don't turn around after and ask the person/people I've helped if they have ever questioned god's existence. Isn't it enough to know that you probably earned a first class ticket to your gods version of heaven?
[Ninja Edit] I used "won" when I meant "earned".
[–]Choodafoo 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I'm a former christian, and I have to say you are quite mistaken on christianity. The vast majority of them believe that good works do not get one into heaven, but simply acceptance of Jesus Christ as lord and saviour. Their purpose for doing good deeds isn't for the sake of getting to heaven, it's because they believe that it is the right thing to do. If they want to hand out Bibles without forcing religion down people's throats, then it's their prerogative to do so. They are simply following their religion by doing so.
[–]Thayere 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I am also a former Christian, and one who sat around reading Systematic Theology books and conversing with various pastors and Christian leaders (i.e. stuck deep in the mud). "Faith without works is dead" is straight out of the Bible.
"You were saved by faith, and not by works, lest any man should boast" is also straight out of the Bible.
Christians are placed into the interesting position of holding a belief that is equally contradictory.
They believe that they are saved by faith (and not by works), but they also believe that faith is dead without works. Therefore, the works are required. If the works are not present, they are not saved. Therefore, if they do not do the good works, they will not get in to heaven, because their faith is not a living faith. While you're totally right that the "saved by faith" and "God's grace" business is uttered a lot, the practical reality of the matter is that they're just doing something Christian's are great at -- doublethink. They get to pretend like they can have their cake and eat it, too.
If I told you a car without wheels is a dead weight, you would assume that the wheels were necessary for the car to run. If I told you a faith without works is dead, you would assume that the works were necessary for the faith to be alive. You need the works to have a saving faith, and if you don't have the works, you don't have a saving faith.
Waff1es is not "quite mistaken on christianity." In fact, here's something else straight out of the Bible: "Do you know that in a race, all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize." And this: "Store up for yourselves treasures in heaven."
And also, there's this from right there at the end of the Bible: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books." And the consequences were pretty straightforward: "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
If you can't get your car to heaven without wheels, that means the wheels are required.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
"“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
Not only is faith without works dead, and not only will people be judged according to their works in order to determine the state of their eternal souls, there will be many who have gone so far as to have driven out demons and performed many miracles who will still be told to depart.
So not only are works as necessary to salvation as wheels to a car, there will also be a number of cars that have great wheels, but still don't make it in. How many Christians today have driven out demons and actually performed miracles? They ought to be at least a little concerned about this, I think.
At the very least, Waff1es is justified in his observation that Christians often do not (and biblically cannot) "just do a nice thing without attaching something to it." All of their good works are necessarily connected to this cosmic game with the awful game over screen, and part of those works is the mandate to spread the gospel to the four corners of the world, so doing good works without sharing the gospel isn't an option, unless the plan is to be building up respect and relationships to increase your chances of changing their beliefs.
[–]walkemskies 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think "faith without works is dead" is more like, a person who believes but doesn't do anything doesn't contribute to the world. They may still get saved, but their faith is useless in this life.
[–]Choodafoo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
You make good words.
Also, I was aware of all these passages previously, it's just that in my experience most evangelical Christians look at the "Faith without works is dead" passage and just kinda ignore it. It's not correct doctrine obviously, but I would say a vast number of Christians believe that you only need Jesus to get to heaven, and that works are nice, but not necessary. Even many hardcore Christians I've met don't believe that any works are required.
[–]LawRunner 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think the point though, is that they don't think of it necessarily as "I did a nice thing, and I helped spread my religion", the two aren't separate in their mind. Spreading their religion is included in the good deeds portion. Which makes sense, because at some level, everyone who follows a religion believes that their religion has been beneficial to them in some way, so if you're the kind of person who would do charity work, you'd probably also be the kind of person to hand someone a book you think could greatly improve their life.
[–]Trashcanman33 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago*
Haiti is 96% Christian, so I doubt they were there to try and convert that last 4%, rather to help them in a time of need. What's wrong with replacing someone's Bible?
[–]andropogon09 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
I suspect what they're doing is trying to convert the Haitians to THEIR kind of Christainity.
[–]hipsta-smasha 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
this is more likely actually. and i'm guessing the poor people in question don't really mind switching religions if they get help (not that they are fickle or anything, its just there are more important things to them, like food and infrastructure)
[–]OlivieroVidal 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Probably not. If you believe something is very valuable (they hold the bible as valuable) then you will want other people to have it.
[–]bornagainredditor 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Cost of printing those bibles would have bought a lot more food.
[–]CharlesDingus 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
They're not trying to "convert" people, Haiti is majority Christian. Do you think they're some kind of tribal people who have never met whiteman?
[–]sluggdiddy 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Well having a few cousins that have done similar work with their church group ages ago, I have to say.. fuck it. From what I've been told by them, the order is most likely, Bibles, rebuild (a church), and food for those who show up to learn about the bible for a few weeks.
Those same cousins also did habitat for humanity later on in life, and they are ashamed of the work they did with their church groups because according to them over 60 percent of the time with that group was spent preaching.
But yes, charity work which includes preaching is still better than no charity work at all for these people. But it doesn't mean its free from criticism, it doesn't mean that its "ok" that they more or less swindle people into getting into Christianity in exchange for food. And obviously the amount of preaching differs within each group, but still it is fucking rude to offer someone help in exchange for their conversions from whatever cultural beliefs they have to this foreign set of cultural beliefs that well won't really do much to help these people out in the long or the short run.
Also it makes you question their motives, if everyone the went to help just refused to accept their bibles and preachings, they would likely pack up and leave without helping them at all. Doing good for the sake of doing good is mountains better than doing good to promote and spread your religion.
Furthermore, according to some interpretations of christian scripture, these people would have ended up in heaven if they were good people but just hadn't ever heard of jesus, now that they have, if they happen to not buy into the stories, they are damned for hell since they are rejecting them.
Again, I just want to point out, its ok to note that yes they are doing some good, while criticizing their motivations or reasons for doing so. And I don't think anyone here thought that all that was going on was bible exchanges, so I don't know who you are calling out on this. Pretty sure it was somewhat of a joke, meant to illuminate the fact that whatever portion of bible preaching they are doing while there is ridiculous and is just less time that they are actually doing good for these people.
Just to be clear, I give respect to the work that's done by these sorts of organizations, but I disagree with their motivations, and their goals (which is to convert more people to their beliefs), helping them is more often times than not just the means for converting them and not the goal. (and yes I am speaking generally, not claiming its true of all)
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[–]m_bishop 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I think the implication is that you could have used the money, shipping resources, ect ... to bring MORE food. Even if 90% of what you brought was food, that's still nowhere near ENOUGH food, and the 10% shipping weight and money that went to bibles is probably accountable for at least one death.
You did some good, and that's great. You just didn't do all you could have done. Instead you did some good, and then gave them bibles.
I'm not arguing either side, just trying to clarify what I believe most people are thinking when they see this picture.
[–]FoxifiedNutjob 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Because Bibles > food or condoms
[–]m_bishop 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think that's the crux of the argument. If you give out bibles, and people die of starvation, how do you justify that the bibles were the better choice?
[–]pandaSmore 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
A chance to comes to terms with their creator and enter eternal paradise is what I suppose a Christian would say.
[–]stoicme 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
if r/atheism really wants something along these lines to flip out about, let's take a look at the "I am a Mormon" campaign.
commercial slots on a national scale are expensive. a 30 second commercial slot on a major network during prime-time can easily get into the hundred-thousands. and even cheaper ones are still $10,000.
they're running these commercials multiple times, all day, on several major networks. and even more, they're not just buying 30 seconds at a time. every one I've seen has been TWO back to back ads. a full 60 seconds that could at some points easily hit $500,000... on multiple channels... every day.
in a week, they are EASILY dishing out a few million dollars, which they earned by demanding 10% of every member's income.
oh, and the best part? that money isn't even willingly given, unless you consider blackmail/ransom to be considered "willingly given". you cannot, I repeat CANNOT be a full member of the Mormon faith without paying tithing. if you don't, then you cannot get a temple recommend and thus cannot get all the blessings needed to be with your family for eternity. and if you're other family members do it, well then you're shit out of luck. you won't get to be with them in the afterlife. it's emotional blackmail, plain and simple.
so there you have it, something to get properly pissed about. the Mormon cult it blackmailing money out of it's members in order to make pandering commercials that are only there to try and suck more people into the fold.
[–]hipsta-smasha 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
i'm glad you've made me aware of this. But it doesn't mean that packaging indoctrination with food and supplies isn't wrong as well.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That is missing the point. No matter what, that bible you gave them cost money. And that money could have been spent on something much more important like food or clean water.
[–]klinquist 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
My sister was in the peace corps in Ghana - and they (peace corps volunteers) hated the missionaries. In her words, they'd show up and build them something - or give them food - then leave. The peace corps, on the other hand, stays for ~2yrs and teaches them (akin to giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish).
It was because of the missionaries that all the kids would shout "White man! Give me money!" when I walked down the street when visiting her.
[–]brent_dub 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Thank you for coming here to say this.
I went on a similar mission trip with my church's youthgroup.
It was a small town church so we didn't have the money to go to another country, instead we went to a very poor section of Appalachia. (We were from Appalachia too, just area that was a bit better off.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia#Poverty_in_Appalachia
We repaired the roofs of three poor families who couldn't afford to get the leaks repaired themselves. We also fixed another place's insulation and did a lot of other small repairs for different people.
This is not something I would have had the opportunity to do outside of the church. There was noone at my school outside of a church who had a chance to do something like that.
And I really do consider it an opportunity. Before I went on that trip I thought it would be awful ... typical kid I thought it sounded like a lot of work with no benefit for me. I had a lot of fun though, and I learned how good it can feel to help other people. What a difference you can make in someone else's life.
It's really sad to see people on the Internet turn around and claim that Christianity is evil based on prejudice and a few interactions with some loud bad-eggs.
The people in this picture were doing good, and they should not be mocked for that.
[–]2Weird2Live2Rare2Die 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Proselytism is the waste heat of charity. At the end of the day $100 given to a charity which only cares about charity is going to do more good than $100 given to a charity which spends even a fraction of it coercing the victims of tragedy into allegiance to a different sky wizard. If you truly care about helping people and not advancing an agenda, give to secular charities.
[–]boutsofbrilliance 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
why did you give them a bible?
why couldn't you have just been there to help them, instead of tying it to what you believe and what you think they ought to consider believing as well?
[–]jimbokun 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This is a rhetorical question, and I'm sure you already know the answer, so why are you asking it?
They believe that believing the words of the Bible will lead these people to eternal life after this one.
[–]RedRing86 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Yea thought the same thing. Keep it classy R/atheism.. gotta love things taken out of context.
[–]Irish_Whiskey 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Do you really think that atheists are oblivious to, or pretending not to see the charity Christian groups do? Of course we know. I've volunteered with religious charity groups myself, even though I don't believe.
It's simply that there's no reason to think these people can't do the exact same good work, without needing to ship and deliver massive amounts of Bibles. And some of us, including myself, think that many religions including Christianity prey on the vulnerable by offering promises to desperate people they can't back up. I know they are well intentioned and believe what they are doing is right, but that's not better.
I have to ask, if you saw that it was a Scientologist there working his e-meter on the woman, would you also think it's appropriate? Maybe you would, but for many, the time wasted and the exploitation of the vulnerable would become much more obvious.
[–]domoreresearch 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Is there evidence that Christian groups providing relief are coming with boatloads of Bibles? Nothing mentioned here indicates that this is the case.
This could have been a $10 Bible, brought along with $1000s worth of relief supplies.
Telling people about a faith that compels them to help out the destitute does not seem like a self-serving thing to do. But ridiculing others who are helping, while you are safe at home on the Internet, on the other hand...
The aggressiveness of r/atheism borders on religious zeal sometimes :)
[–]fiftypoints 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
borders on religious zeal
Yeah, like last week when we conducted an inquisition and murdered raped and tortured thousands of believers.
I know there are plenty of religious people out there who are very helpful. And i respect those people, because they are doing a very good thing. But please excuse my cynicism on the subject, because the religion in question spent a near thousand years persecuting, killing, and enslaving people who didn't accept that book.
[–]nigglereddit 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
I was in Ethiopia in 1986. One of my friends there, who had survived some of the worst of the famine, said, "Only a fool believes a starving man thinks only of his stomach".
[–]moscowramada 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
People are snickering but I had a friend who went there on a medical trip with no religious affiliation - basically doctors and nurses, going to help Haitians - and he said he was blown away by the religiosity of the place. Haitians in general are quite religious, even now, even after the earthquake. So I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but let's just say that generally speaking Haitians are interested in religion and religious things... in other words if there's a place where poor people would be happy to receive Bibles, it's probably Haiti. Now you can argue they shouldn't want that, they should want food, etc., etc., but if you're talking about what the Haitians themselves want, this isn't crazy talk.
p.s. The religion in Haiti wiki page starts off by saying 'religion is professed by almost all Haitians' and puts the 'no religion' figure (according to CIA statistics) at 1%. Anecdotally, this was what my friend confirmed, that it was just a very, very religious culture and people, by any measure.
[–]brent_dub 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
How is giving someone a book forcing anything down their throat?
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
My god..I'm not trying to be offensive, but just look at the difference between the man and the woman. Life is fucking unfair.
[–]craklyn 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Yeah, that woman has it so decent, while guys like me and the man in the image got the fat genes.
[–]burnmyshadow 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Well to be fair, he is giving her the fishing pole that will reel in donations from her people.
[–]imbeingsirius 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
The size of him compared to her is the most upsetting thing.
[–]honestchristian 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
does anybody have stats on how many christian charities there are helping the poor and needy versus atheist ones?
is there an atheist charity that goes out to these countries and feeds/clothes people? do they give out atheist literature afterwards?
[–]christianloritz 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Atheists on Reddit, As a non-evangelical Christian I've been able to put up with your mostly true logical arguments against believing in a Deity, and I've also been able to put up with the humor you find in pointing out the idiocy of people, as most people are idiots, especially Christians. But this picture has gone too far and the Haitians are a dearly personal people to me. I have gone to Haiti twice with a group called Haiti Endowment Fund, founded by a great man named Harold Bither in the 70s after he saw the depravity of the Haitian people. This group has set up 13 schools in areas around Hinche in central Haiti, providing meals each day for each student, and provided medical care to tens of thousands of people. And yes, they also form churches along with the medical aid and education as it serves as both a source of enhancing community stability and allowing for a better quality of life. Regardless of any beliefs you may have, the Christians in Haiti are doing a good thing for the Haitian people. To think that they are simply handing out bibles without actually feeding the people is moronic and insulting. And for those who think that religion does not need to be included in the assistance of the Haitians should go to Haiti and see the corruption that aid from foreign governments is entangled in. The non-religious organizations of the world waited for devastation to catalyze their generosity as the Christians had already been helping the Haitians for 30+ years.
Please Atheists on Reddit, Think about what you are making fun of with all of the variables and conditions being considered, otherwise your arguments begin to sound like dogma.
[–]SailorRipley 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago
Okay, while I believe religion to be total BS and a lot of what has been posted lately proves that out I take offense to this post. Sure there are way to many bible- thumpers out there that push their religious views above all else, there are many who do good as well.
I'm personally friends with an incredible gentleman who along with several other members of his church have traveled to Haiti numerous times both before and after the earthquake. They take with them food, medicine, clothes, etc. They spend weeks down there helping build schools and homes. The stories he has come back with are incredible as are the people he meets. Also note, the people of Haiti are very religious and for many of them a bible is something cherished. I only wish I had as much character and resolve to do some of what he's done. And I would be hard pressed to believe those folks in the picture only brought bibles with them.
[–]FoxifiedNutjob 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Trade ya' a doughnut for your soul!
[–]Inconsiderate_pete 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
If the people in Haiti don't like being poor, why don't they just move?
[–]slidewithme 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I had some .. I don't know, Christians I guess, come to my door right after the earthquake in Haiti. They were taking donations for sending bibles to Haitian schools. I said that I'd already donated a lot of money to feed them, and the woman argued with me saying (seriously a direct quote) "The Lord Jesus Christ sustains body and mind, soul and heart. They don't need food, they need the Holy Spirit."
I just stared at her for a second and then closed the door very slowly.
[–]Sloth_Loves_Chunk 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
I hate to rain down on the circle-jerking here but is it not possible that these missionaries also created clean water sources, shelter, and brought food, as well as took the picture above? Most missionary programs are created to provide essentials to people in need, as well as distribute things like bibles around. I think its pretty fucking stupid to assume these two people got on their yacht and made way for haiti with only a box full of king james's
[–]Reasonable_enough 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It i also possible that they spread a ton of hate and ignorance to these people also. These are delusional people who follow an iron age book as if it was the word of a supernatural deity.
[–]lopzag 49 points50 points51 points 1 year ago
but of course! preaching fairy tales to starving people will help! :/
[–]tunabomber 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
My father in law is a pastor and a missionary. He goes to South America annually. I am a non-believer (point of contention,) but I assure you these people do good things. Buy school books, provide clean drinking water, etc. So they sometimes give them a bible? Big whoop. At least they are helping people who need help. I will take forced religion and a full stomach over no bible and dysentery any day.
[–]fcukbear 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Exactly.
Let them examine the probability of God, Jesus, and everything else holy after they're not literally dying of disease and famine.
These people will welcome them over a warlord with a sharp blade every day. Nobody's being forced to believe, repent, or take a mark here.
[–][deleted] 63 points64 points65 points 1 year ago
Do you really think they came all the way to Haiti just to hand out Bibles? Missions to poverty-stricken regions like this one provide food relief and help build homes. They also attempt to spread their faith. But 96% of Haitians are already Christian.
Anyway, credit where credit is due.
[–]mrbacon1 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
86% Of Statistics are made up.
[–]badhairguy 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
That's only 64% true.
[–]PlusSixtoReason 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I consider it blackmail.
[–]snowbirdie 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
They do that to entice people to join their religion, which is absolutely wrong. They aren't educated to know any better and it's forced down their throat, like children have done to them. Religion shouldn't be involved AT ALL. They have their own folk beliefs, which is no more wrong than your mythism. If people came bearing food and word of the almighty Ra, then you'd be saying "96% of haitians are already Egyptian" (I don't know what the religion is called specifically).
The real question is -- if people are truly giving, then why bring religion into the matter at all? It's purely SELFISH motivation. "I'll give you food if you join our occult!". They have no choice. Would they still get food from that charity if they were 96% Buddhist? Highly unlikely because you'd consider them damned to Hell anyway and not worthy of being alive.
Let them learn about ALL the religions, free from "campaign donations", and let them decide on their own. I pretty much guarantee they'd stick with their traditional/folk religion.
[–]nyuncat 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Protip: Ancient Egyptian religious practices have kind of faded in popularity over the last few millenia.
[–]MyL1ttlePwnys 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
http://www.devex.com/en/articles/top-aid-agencies-in-haiti-a-primer
Not to bash the circle jerk, as i am not a religious person, but Catholic charities are one of the top monetary aid sources for Haiti and has been for decades.
Just because its an easy target doesnt mean they dont do good things sometimes. If they decide to drop of some bibles with their food, water, building materials, professional and technical experts and clothing aid , so be it.
Many things about religion to pick on and laugh at, but nothing to see here. At least they are doing something to help these people...
[–]CSI_Tech_Dept 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Agree, it makes me sick when some people say they are making world a better place by actively fighting religion, but no one moves their ass to do anything to help.
Even if God does not exist, it still seems to give many people motivation to do many good things.
i'm sorry but i cannot agree with part of your statement.
yes, they are doing good. and the fact that they are motivated to do so by their faith is also a good thing in my book. I am so very happy that there are people out there who want to help. but it doesn't mean that forcing your beliefs on someone is okay. there are plenty of organizations out there that help in a big way but don't force belief.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Now that I have saved your village from starvation, YOU MUST CONVERT TO MY RELIGION
[–]ratheismmentality 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
I think that the point of the bible handing out was to share their religion not force it. If you go out you can go explain to them all the evolution you want. If the bible is what makes them fly to a third world country and hand out supplies, providing food, clean water, and a school, how is it going to hurt them to read a bible? They are not forced to read it at all. But if i was in their shoes i would try to see what this book was about that made people show such kindness.
I think you are taking my caption entirely too seriously. That is not how I really feel about the image.
[–]tritonx 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
They are already pretty much converted in there. It's a kind of circle jerk going on.
[–]Loud_Secretary 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
HOW CAN THEY READ IT?
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
I'm fairly certain that everyone in the world can read/speak American english. Few have tried to tell me otherwise, but that probably means they're atheists/liars. ;)
[–]Orimos 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
At first, downvote for assuming the worst in you.
Then upvote for climbing out of the sarchasm and getting the joke.
[–]zeroes0 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
86% of the world speaks AMERICAN!
[–]JSUNECRO 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
merican!
[–]BranchDavidian 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
they make bibles in creole.
[–]IAMnotBRAD 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
This link just got blocked for "pornography". I better not get fired.
[–]Nyeep 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Some hot book handling going on in the picture.
[–]GiantSquidd 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
fap fap fap
[–]SpinningHead 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I cant even open anything in r/wtf at work anymore
[–]falconj 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I love the tight-lipped polite smile from the Haitian woman. I can just see her thinking "Oh for fuck's sake, Haiti's a Christian nation already... how about some food?"
[–]TheWolfofMibu 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Toilet paper?
[–]sweetdaddy 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
how does this get upvotes? christians feed millions, and clothe millions, educate millions, fight for human rights of millions, and also hand out Bibles....yet the people who spread these kind of posts over the internet?
[–]lshokie 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
It can be annoying when churches use mission work to convert, but Haiti is a predominantly Catholic country (fun fact: a lot of Catholic Haitians also practice voodoo), it's very likely she's already Christian. Perhaps she has been unable to afford a Bible before this, or lost hers in some of the recent disasters there.
I work for a non-religious international development organization, and we often partner with religious institutions because those are the ones people tend to trust.
[–]bobbisonb 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Guys it's ok. Its got moral fiber
[–]MockingDead 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I am glad they are helping them out, but how about give them this and some seeds instead of some book of myths.
[–]Meselmdor 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I do think this picture is pretty funny,
however
if you don't realize that christians spend a lot of money and time and often devote their lives to living in third world countries to aid people through food and medicine and shelter (not just bibles and brainwashing) then you're living under your atheist rock.
I saw some pictures from this ministry this weekend http://www.engadiministries.org/Engadi/Home.html
They buy a plot of land, build homes and schools and soccer fields on it, then invite young men out of poverty and raise them in homes with values to keep them out of gangs and drugs in Guatemala. Sounds pretty swell to me.
[–]TrollDruid 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What would you guys do for Haitians instead?
Go there and tell them "sorry that you're hungry, it is just part of the survival of the fittest rule we all have to live under, but don't fret: in million years from now our species will have evolved to eradicate hunger"?
I will take a Bible-handing believer that actually goes there and brings something for those people over any useless atheist that merely sits in front of a computer raging against religion all day (any imbecile can be like that).
[–]mechanate 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I'm a brother to four adopted Haitian children. One of them just went to Haiti on a missions trip, and returned a closet atheist. She was working on a project with a secular group. While they were off having fun with the locals, she had to have "Bible studies" with her team. When she tried distributing Bibles, she discovered that most people already owned several from various organizations. She saw a home with seven Bibles and no food. It was, in her words, "the saddest waste of paper I've ever seen." This is coming from a teen girl who prior to her trip was considering becoming a career missionary.
You can't pass out Bibles in these places without being completely fucking oblivious to the fact that religion is the last thing these people need.
[–]taurus45 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
fuel for cooking the food they are giving them, I hope....
[–]For-The-Swarm 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Devout Christian here: laughed my ass off. Keep it classy ATH!
[–]Reactions 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Oldest repost, seriously, shit like this makes me annoyed at r/atheism.
[–]lividd 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
"thank you, I can use this to boil some water"
[–]Alex-the-3217th 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
They burn real good, and the pages work for good insulation or toilet paper.
[–]TomBombadouche 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Or if you run out of Bamboos.
[–]a_cat_not_a_puppet 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
But but what if its a physics book?.
[–]hipsta-smasha 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
still useless. better would be a book on things like more advanced substance farming, proper water supply maintenance, and other things.
why, it's just as edible, and physical!
[–]mynuname 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
That's cool, I know a bunch of people that just went to Haiti with a church group. I think the did pass out bibles . . .
And medical supplies, and food, and built a orphanage, and spent time with children who lost their parents and haven't received much attention for a long time.
[–]Blahblahblahinternet 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
To be fair, in threads like these I like to come in and say that the people handing out bibles do more for poverty in other countries than I do, and in all likelihood, more than OP does, and possibly more than all of r/atheism combined.
[–]ikancast 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Your point comes across badly when you purposefully try to distort the truth of what is going on, there are many religious groups that gave them relief money as well as traveled there to help rebuild. Giving someone a bible to put in a home you help them build or along with some food, well, it just doesn't sound like a big deal right?
[–]corser 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Seeing this picture got me thinking whether they send Bibles in french or just assume that everyone speaks "American"
[–]MartinPage 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago
As an American living in Haiti- yes, they do bring bibles that are translated into Creole. Only a very small portion of Haiti (mostly in Port Au Prince) speak French.
[–]corser 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago
I was mistaken, I was under the impression french was the more prevalent.
Scumbag me: Makes a comment about general american ignorance, ends up showing my own.
[–]sweetcommunist 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Well, Creole is French-ish, so you weren't entirely wrong.
[–]iamdanhi 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
At least you admit you were wrong, unlike the truly ignorant!
[–]dssx 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
GG Corser: Makes a comment on ignorance, is shown his own, owns up to it.
[–]MrFaith 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Top marks for pointing out hypocritical ignorance
[–]dietotaku 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
the bibles will not only save their souls, they'll help them learn the language of god!
[–]corser 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
the language of god
A bible written in tongues, fantastic! No two copies are the same.
true story, I had a girl in my geology course that refused to believe that god would speak any language other than English.
she also would regularly tell the professor to stop trying to teach them lies (like evolutionary theory, the fossil record, the age of the earth, etcetera)
[–]sigilvii 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
They translate Bibles into like, every freaking language.
[–]RockyValderas 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
As a christian, I hate it when they do this. It won't help anybody to pray and talk and not do anything practical to help.
[–]sigilvii 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Wouldn't they be serving food at get-togethers as well? That strategy is in full swing at college campuses.
As an atheist, so do I.
[–]stoneshwar 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
So do I. I'm a white guy with a Wii.
[–]moosemousse 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
same, as a girl with brown hair who lives in a house
[–]jackass706 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Hey bro! I'm a white guy with a Wii too!
[–]brent_dub 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
As a Christian I find it disgusting that you don't know what this is.
It's a mission trip, where they brought food, supplies, books, aid, and built houses for these people.
This photo was actually cropped to exclude the large shipment of aid off to the right.
[–]dfekt 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
sees Christians handing out Bibles. Assumes all they're doing is handing out Bibles.
They could very well have been doing more. I don't really care for the photo-op nature of the pic, though.
[–]MrMasterSir 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If I read this, I can be fat like you?
[–]espirit 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
What he should be handing over are contraceptives. Putting something like that on top of that blue book, you can smell the contradiction from outer galaxies.
[–]swizzcheez 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Gotta get my eyes checked -- at first I thought it was "Babies for Haiti." Given the subreddit, I hope to be excused for that considering the punchline.
[–]AngryMogambo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If they give 20 per person they can probably heat their homes for couple of nights.
[–]EvilTerran 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I hope you made a donation to aid work in Africa to go with that.
[–]psychelicious 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
"Onions is all I eat"
[–]PNWd 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
So you're painting a chair, hey?
[–]Doremus_Jessup 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
How about some food, tents or a way off the island.
[–]PotsAndOwls 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Bicycles for Fish!
Probably not Haiti
[–]x888x 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
From an article about Christian Aid in Haiti(NBC):
Our main focus is to … show the people we really care about them,” said church business administrator David Jones. “If we have time to talk about Jesus then we do it. (But) our philosophy is that you cannot effectively evangelize if you don’t show you care by dealing with people’s real needs.” The desire to help the most vulnerable of Haiti’s earthquake victims — its children — is especially strong. U.S. churches run and support hundreds of orphanages and schools in the country. Even before the quake, an estimated 15 percent of all children in Haiti were said to be orphaned or abandoned. About 200,000 of these children lived in institutions, and the rest were fostered, living with relatives or living on the street.
Our main focus is to … show the people we really care about them,” said church business administrator David Jones. “If we have time to talk about Jesus then we do it. (But) our philosophy is that you cannot effectively evangelize if you don’t show you care by dealing with people’s real needs.”
The desire to help the most vulnerable of Haiti’s earthquake victims — its children — is especially strong.
U.S. churches run and support hundreds of orphanages and schools in the country.
Even before the quake, an estimated 15 percent of all children in Haiti were said to be orphaned or abandoned. About 200,000 of these children lived in institutions, and the rest were fostered, living with relatives or living on the street.
[–]redundantPOINT 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I sincerely hope they highlighted Luke 11:11.
[–]thecowisfat 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
In the meantime, op is feeding starving people with up votes and a feeling of self satisfaction.
[–]indecisiverobot 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Hey, it's not all bad, gives them something to burn for warmth
This would be funny if I hadn't been to Haiti and actually helped feed people with a Christian Ministry.
[–]Dynamaxion 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Why not spend that money on something like, say..... Food?
[–]jchicity 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Let's spend $7 to print a hard leather bound version of a book that this person can't read and give it to them instead of feeding them for a month. I'm pretty sure that's what Jesus would do.
[–]alliha 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
And you know what's ironic? It's America's fault Haiti is so poor.
[–]mypalmike 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
No, it's the pact they made with the devil that made Haiti so poor. Don't you listen to Pat Robertson?
[–]josiahw 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
We should make instructions on how to convert books into shelter by cutting out the pages, then walk behind people handing out bibles and pass them out.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I can just imagine if the roles were reversed.
The states becomes a country in which nearly the whole population is starving. Rich countries bring us their spiritual books. I'd be pretty fucking mad at their complete ignorance. And I'm sure any Christian would.
The ignorant smiles on their faces in that picture.. Jesus Christ they're fucking braindead.
[–]quitethepersona 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I cam here to say: repost. Thanks, that is all.
[–]Palins_Brassiere 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's worse than that. This is actually a re, re, re, re, re, re, re, repost.
[–]joshsaldana 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I'm going to repost this, just for the irony.
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/search?q=bibles+for+haiti
Seriously, why don't people use the search function?
[–]Potrebno 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Let's not congradulate the man and his organization for showing humanity and rebuilding people's homes, no no let's trash talk him because he had the audacity to offer a bible to someone in a 90% christian state.
[–]Gullyvuhr 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago*
And of course it's a white, slightly over-weight but obviously well-fed guy, looking very proud of himself handing a book to an undernourished person.
I hope they ate him.
*edited: used white twice
[–]BeKINDAlikeArnold 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
And what the fu** have you done to help? Shut up, hypocrite.
[–]Gullyvuhr 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Did I post what I had done? Are you remotely aware who I am? No? So you don't know if I've organized local food drives, or donation campaigns, or was in the Peace Corp.
The problem is if I've done ANYTHING it's more than morons handing out bibles.
Fuck anyone who uses the hardships of others as a platform for preaching at them a pointless religion that doesn't actually help, but tells them being hungry is part of some almighty and merciful creator's fucking master plan.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
That guy probably volunteered a bunch of his time to to perform all kinds of manual labor. The bible was most likely an offering. "Here I'll trade you all of this food and these linens for your word that you will take a look at my religion and possibly accept it if you want to."
Fuck all of these Christian bashing teenagers in here. They have zero life experience and zero motivation. All they can do is hate. We are a generation of haters. This coming from a guy that hasn't been to church in years. The hate has to stop, it's what's driving this country apart, not religion.
[–]executex 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Because millenias of love and respect towards religion has really eroded religion right? Nope, it's still a magnificent majority.
News flash, confrontation of ideas are what bring about change, not respect and silence to everyones' personal beliefs.
[–]brandoncoal 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago*
You know what Africa Hati needs? More reposts.
Edit: Should always drink coffee before redditing.
[–]LuckyBdx4 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Last time I looked Haiti was in the Caribbean
[–]mypalmike 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The laws of quantum geography say that if you keep looking, eventually Haiti will be in Africa.
[–]gifforc 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Missionaries don't just fly down to Haiti to drop off bibles and say "seeya later shitlords!."
That's absurd. Though handing out Bibles and thus spreading the word is no scoff-able act of kindness and charity, missionaries often help with construction, teaching, food, and medicine.
it's like you're not even trying anymore /r/atheism.
[–]sparr 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I'm sad to tell you, there ARE groups whose sole purpose is sending bibles to impoverished regions. They don't send help, or food, or tools. Just bibles. That is who this sort of post is making fun of.
[–]gifforc 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I doubt THOSE groups deliver them in person.
All the money spent on those bibles could have been spent on water cleaning equipment, tools to rebuild houses, food, water.
That is what this image is making fun of. Not the fact that they are there probably with food/water and some bibles. Though there is always the chance that he really did just come over with JUST bibles.
[–]theamazingape 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Oh C'mon that is cherry picking if I ever saw it. That picture is just bad timing, I've been on trips like that through a church before and there is no doubt they are giving them food. Look I'm not saying "Jesus is teh awesome~~!" nor am even defending christianity, but there is something to be said about being fair.
[–]ConservativeSuperman 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Fun fact challenge: who built the hospital that was one of the only buildings to survive the Port Au Prince earthquake?
[–]liveoakhef 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I don't think anyone is suggesting Christians should stop building hospitals and schools...
[–]ConservativeSuperman 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
You'd just prefer they not spread their message and have less funds to do so?
[–]liveoakhef 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago*
I wish they would stop spreading their message in this way. I'm not condemning it.... but it would be nice. I don't think they're doing a justice to any kids in Haiti or Africa by tossing bibles around or just preaching to them. I think if you want to show a community that you have a 'loving and giving' god you should do it by making improvements in their community. If they see that as 'God's helping us out, we should worship him' then maybe the world's a better place thanks to them. I'm all for SHOWING how Jesus lived and trying to encourage others to do the same. I'm not in favor of telling poor starving children they're going to hell if they don't believe the book they were just given is infallible and should guide every aspect of their lives and that it's the ONLY way to "true" happiness.
I really wish a lot of the folks that complain about this would go on a mission trip. It's really fun to be asked why you're here doing good work. I have never been involved with anything that wasn't building anything, and when people ask, I'm happy to share why I feel it is my duty to help. If my primary purpose was condemning them to hell, that really doesn't require going and building schools or digging wells. Treating your neighbor good builds strong communities, and tends to create a happier environment for all.
I get it's not your thing, and you think I'm some sort of gullible idiot, but I feel bad that the "idiots" are the ones doing more good. I'd love for the atheists/agnostics to have some sort of anti-Christmas (go for July-ish) where you all give to causes and charities hopefully would see a spike in donations like they do around Christmas. Do your thing, but do it well.
[–]liveoakhef 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
actually I've been going on mission trips with my old church since I was 14 and allowed to go. I've been to Reynosa, Mexico, Chichicastenango, Guatemala, and Mazatenango, Guatemala and the primary focus of all the trips was to build either a school or hospital or one year it was a sewage drainage project. I've still never told my church I'm an atheist because I know it would crush them and I love them all too much to bother with that. anyhoo, I've done it and it's awesome. It was my favorite part about being a Christian far and away. It really can change you as a person. If more churches would focus on stuff like this and just tell people they're doing it in the name of the Lord (although that wasn't my case. It just felt good to help people) then you wouldn't have to evangelize. People would see the good you are creating in the world and be drawn to following the same set of morals as you do and the world would be all the better for it. However, that's not the case with the majority of churches. As we've said before. We don't hate Christianity, we hate the institution of the religion and the way it facilitates it's Christian beliefs.
Well good to hear. Glad you're doing something positive with your time on this planet. My church isn't very evangelical, I'd say most of us that go on trips tend to be midwesterners that want to work. I'm a lot more comfortable with a hammer or a shovel than trying to recruit people to my church.
The institution of religion gives lots of folks hope, that's not entirely bad. I have yet to meet any major denomination that didn't take heart in Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Sure you'll get nutjobs like the Westboro Baptists that can somehow ignore that, but I don't think they are representative of most religious folk.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Argentinians.
[–]Vitalstatistix 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Human beings.
[–]ConservativeSuperman 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Good call
[–]NichaelBluth 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Let me guess, it's probably written in English too.
[–]isny 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
It should only be read in the original Klingon.
[–]NichaelBluth 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"yo'a'neS qoplu'pu'DI', Qun'a' De' QaQ maqtaHvIS, ghalIla'ya ghoS yeSuS" Mark 1:14
[–]sigilvii 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This is an ignorant supposition.
[–]NichaelBluth 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's meant to be a facetious comment, as this event did not actually happen.
Ohh, Poe's Law I guess. I could't distinguish between your comment and all the serious ones.
[–]leblanck 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Just give them more liquor stores and dirty coke: that's what god recommends.
After the tsunami that hit southeast asia a few years ago, I (as the head of a club at a small christian school) organized a fundraiser selling t-shirts, we raised over a thousand dollars (not bad for a club of like 10 kids) in order to provide the necessities they would need to survive like food, blankets, whatever. anyway the day that we were giving the money to the charity, my principle decided to give the money to a bible company that would send over bibles to the people in need instead.
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