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Civil war leads to...freedom? (imgur.com)
submitted 9 months ago by TheDaedalus
[–]anstromm 27 points28 points29 points 9 months ago
Wasn't the American revolutionary war technically a civil war?
[–]AkirIkasu 19 points20 points21 points 9 months ago
It would have been if we hadn't won.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I'm no history expert, but I don't think it counts as a civil war if it involves imperial colonies. Could be wrong, though.
[–]ApolloDeus 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
But there were some colonists who remained loyal to the British Empire and fought against the Revolutionary forces.
[–]squiresuzuki 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
They helped out British soldiers with shelter and food and such but did they actually line up and fight?
[–]sn1p3rb8 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
As a Canadian who took history all through school, what we learned of the American revolution might have been a little bit different than the US school system. It was not portrayed to be as "popular" with a lot of people, I believe about 30% of people were in support of of the crown and there were Loyalist regiments. Many loyalists were also kicked out of their communities, quite a few settled north of the border.
[–]onewoodee 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
As an American, this doesn't sound so different from what I learned, but I live near Boston, where it all began, so that may make a difference?
[–]Super_King_ 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
No. Civil War is two groups fighting for control of one government. In this case the the Americans had no desire to take over the crown, so it was a revolution, not a civil war.
However, when you get to the colony level of neighbor vs. neighbor Tory vs. Patriot, it is technically a Civil War.
[–]Silcantar 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
So, technically, the American Civil War was a failed revolution.
[–]Super_King_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Yes actually.
[–]TheWrongSolution 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Civil War is two groups fighting for control of one government.
I'm rusty on my history but wasn't it the South who wanted to secede?
[–]SomeDaysAreThroAways 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
different war
[–]Super_King_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
They wanted their own government though. They did not want control of Washington DC. They wanted to take one government and turn it into two.
That's what I meant. Like Silcantar said, by your definition the American Civil War wasn't a civil war, but a failed revolution.
[–]squigs 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Not sure, but I'm pretty certain the instigators of the revolution committed an act of treason. It's not automatically a dirty word.
The whole thing is false. Taking it literally, Ghadaffi was anti-American but never obviously committed treason against the US. A non-patriotic American could legitimately oppose everything the US does without taking any action against the US, so be Anti-American without committing treason. And there's no reason that anti-god should be anti-American.
[–]throwawayjury 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago
Calling the intended audience "Lunatics" tends to alienates the intended audience. But that's only the first of many issues with this argument.
[–]aetius476 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago
This billboard may be addressed to us, but we are not the target audience.
[–]throwawayjury 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
Yes. "Anti-American" makes that very clear.
[–]StagPartyGames 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
He did leave his contact info on the bottom of the board so people can let him know their thoughts.
[–]TheDaedalus[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago
Very true
[–]Brobarossa 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago
I was going to say civil war leads to profit.
[–]OkToBeTakei 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago
Rule 34... Of the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.
"War is good for business"
[–]OmegaVesko 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Tractors away the starship you were going to repair
And that's why I don't play Star Trek: Armada anymore.
[–]OkToBeTakei 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Lmao zing!
[–]jbenuniv 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
Also: "Peace is good for business."
[–]OkToBeTakei 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago
That's rule 35 ツ
[–]Reposing 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I was trying to find porn... Fucker. >.>
[–]AngryScientist 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
If you're on the winning team.
[–]Monomorphic 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Not if you're selling to both teams!
[–]Zap-Brannigan 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
so....
step 1: anger christians
step 2: civil war
step 3: ????
step 4: profit!
[–]metalmusicatheism 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago
to bad we aren't anti-god. Can't be against something we don't believe in
[–]skeletor100 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
And there's I always thought that church money was supposed to go on helping people ....
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
Exactly. Where is the moron whose money went toward this saying, "Yeah, that's a good use of my dollars."
[–]tittiesnbeer 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
Civil war leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.
[–]skyroof_hilltop 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago
West Virginia formed from Virginia... which was part of the Confederacy in the United States Civil War. Just one argument that popped into my mind at first glance.
[–]Turin_The_Mormegil 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
You would be astonished at how many people in this state are ignorant of our history. Every time I see a Confederate flag on a shirt, hat, truck, or house, I cringe.
[–]skyroof_hilltop 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I'm from Iowa and I see that stuff all the time. Trust me, I'm never astonished by the ignorance of the average American.
[–]marijun331 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago
This is why I rarely tell people I was born in WV. sigh
I shit you not, little children would chase my car down the street yelling things like "freak" and "devil-worshipper". I even once witnessed a large portion of my high school literally chase a black guy out of town. Ignorance is an infectious disease.
[–]ChampagneSean 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
I've lived in WV pretty much all of my life and I've never seen anything like that. At least not when it comes to racism. There are some Bible beaters that like to condemn others, but I hardly think we're the worst state when it comes to that. People here aren't nearly as backwards as everyone seems to think unless you look at the worst the state has to offer, but that would hold true for any state.
I feel that it really depends upon where you are in the state. Charleston and Morgantown usually aren't too bad. Marlinton... eh. I used to work at the Boy Scout Camp down the road from there, and my friends and I joked about driving up to the local revivalist church and blasting System of a Down.
[–]marijun331 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Maybe. This all happened in Barboursville (near Huntington) in the 90's.
Really? Do tell, good sir.
Good sir, I am a madam!
It happened in Barboursville High's final year before it was consolidated into Cabell Midland High, so...1993? Something like that. It was an open campus (oh, the luxuries of the 90's), so the students would spread out a bit at lunch time. My friends and I were sitting on the steps of a nearby church (honestly, you can't spit without hitting a church in WV!) and we saw a black kid tearing down the middle of Main street, away from the school. We kind of looked at each other, like WTF? Then we saw a mob of students, shouting racial slurs and other awful things, go chasing after him. It had to be at least 50 kids. They chased him out of town on foot. Some people said it was because the guy came to the school at lunch to visit his girlfriend, other people said he hit her. I don't know what the real reason was, but lots of kids joined in just because they wanted to "beat up a nigger" and other such lovely things.
Also, when I was attending Barboursville Middle School, a black family moved to town and I befriended one of their kids that was in my grade. Let's just say she was not treated kindly. She was resilient, though...some kids were making fun of her one day, and she pulled her pants down, slapped her ass, and said "KISS MY BLACK ASS"! I about died. When my birthday came, I invited all my friends to my birthday slumber party. I don't remember what prompted it, but one of my hillbilly friends got mad at her and used a racial slur and they got into a big fight. I think my mom sent the hillbilly girl home. The black family didn't even last a year - they moved back to Georgia because people harassed them too much.
As for being called a "devil-worshipper"...they said shit like that for many reasons. I wore weird clothes and dyed my hair weird colors. I had gay friends. I didn't go to church. I wasn't into sports. I went to peace rallies when the KKK came to town. I guess I was just everything they hated about the world. I'm pretty sure most of the kids who chased my car didn't even really understand what they were saying, they were just mimicing their parents' hatred.
I hope the next generation is different...
Whoops, sorry bout the "sir" thing.
The worst thing, religiously, that I have dealt with in West Virginia is my girlfriend going to a "hell house" last year. That led to some just delightful conversations afterwards. I went to a Catholic grade school, and they were more open-minded than some of my public-school peers.
[–]Steel12 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago
Well jmmbs thinks its just freedom of speech don't worry about it. People need to take responsibility for what they say. Freedom of speech was not practiced like this in the 18th or 19th century.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago*
Jesus Christ. What exactly are you saying? We should go back to the 18th or 19th century rules? Now you're really not making any sense.
Calling people "freak" and "devil-worshipper" is undoubtedly free speech. Of course there are limits to free speech with libel/slander laws, or the usual "yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre" example.
If those same people were interfering with his car, or doing something that would cause him physical harm that would cause him to crash his vehicle than that freedom is not protected.
But if you're going to tell me calling someone a name isn't free speech than you'd be starting down a crazy road and our prisons would be pretty damn full.
[–]Steel12 -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago
I'm saying that freedom of speech was expected to be practiced with some level of decorum. When spoech is hate speech or causes harm people need to be held responsible.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This statement is so completely full of crap.
What kind of view do you have of history?
hate speech
Isn't so cut and dry.
causes harm people need to be held responsible.
So if someone's speech causes mental harm they should be arrested? You are heading down a dangerous road my friend, and I might suggest you move elsewhere if you're not comfortable with the constitution.
[–]Steel12 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
There we go with the "you should move" statement. Sorry, I am an american too and we both get opinions-thats the fun of America. I think you are the one with the problem with cut and dry. So tell me if someone's religion include sacrificing children, then its ok because we don't want to head down a dangerous path "my friend." So you say, what a ridiculous statement; well how about the Christ the Scientist people who let their children die instead of seeking medical help. As I said before, our freedoms to do this and that are freedoms as long as they don't cause others harm. I think we can agree on that (I hope). You can't let people bully others to a point of harm with hate speech. And, this business about defending their right to hate speech is shallow thinking. I think we can have both.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago*
There we go with the "you should move" statement. Sorry, I am an american too and we both get opinions-thats the fun of America
Never said you didn't have the right to your opinion, only that if you consider calling someone a name hate speech and take our constitution for granted perhaps you might be comfortable elsewhere.
So tell me if someone's religion include sacrificing children, then its ok because we don't want to head down a dangerous path "my friend." So you say, what a ridiculous statement; well how about the Christ the Scientist people who let their children die instead of seeking medical help. As
You're completely ridiculous. Both of those are not anywhere near the realm of free speech. What is so hard to understand about it?
Now you're comparing words and calling people names to people letting their infants die of minor medical issues because they're deluded
As I said before, our freedoms to do this and that are freedoms as long as they don't cause others harm.
You know, I'm pretty offended at all of this and your statement about sacrificing children and you assuming that a lot of religious people do this. Actually, I'm pretty sure it caused me some emotional harm and I'm going to call the cops and have you arrested.
You can't let people bully others to a point of harm with hate speech.
Calling someone a name isn't hate speech And even the term "hate speech" again, isn't cut and dry.
I only bring in religion because its among those rights in the bill of rights along with speech. My point is that we fine tune these all the time. Look at the limit of hand guns vs. the right to have arms. The right to privacy vs. the patriot act, the right to religion vs. recent rulings that you must seek medical help for your children or you're liable. There are lots of examples of reigning in an absolute right for the protection of others. I am just saying that we should be able to stop people like the WBC without sacrificing the common good and our collective right to free speech. Can hate speech be defined? Perhaps you are right, its not cut and dry but can it be defined?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Ugh why do I have to go to school in West Virginia?
[–]klapaucius 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
You could always move down here to South Carolina.
[–]Spectro87 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
This sounds like Glenn Beck logic.
[–]tinklebear 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
You mad because so many people like Glenn Beck?
[–]boomgoesdynamite 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Civil war leads to the Dark Side.
[–]Nikolai77 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
If a civil war erupts over Christianity, shouldn't Christians be easy targets because of the 6th commandment?
[–]13en 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Nonono... You see, when god said "thou shalt not kill", he actually meant that it was perfectly ok to kill in a wide range of different circumstances that he never really explained anywhere.
[–]Nikolai77 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I've heard some "explanations" in which the "original translation" of the 6th commandment was "Thou shalt not murder." The difference between killing and murdering, as per the definition given to me as part of said "explanation," is that murder is premeditated and that killing can be used as self-defense.
Is there no law in America against near abusive billboards like this? I mean, I'm sure if an Atheist put a board up describing all Christians as anti-american lunatic traitors there would be a shit-storm.
[–][deleted] 9 months ago
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Hey you better watch it! That is hate speech! That is the exact same as punching someone in the face, according to Steel12. You probably caused the Rev. emotional harm and should be arrested.
[–]H37man 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
How do I get my free atheist lawyer?
[–]imrickjamesbyach 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Better Call Saul.
Only if you are a window repairman from a reputable vendor...
[–]thefungineer 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I can't express how angry that makes me
[–]KorgRue 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Will it make you less angry to know that he died in 2006 and never got to meet his maker?
Yes, yes it would!
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
You can prove anything when you start with a false premise.
[–]Isenki 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Attention lunatic atheists & their lawyers: we cannot think rationally
[–]BloggerZig 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Anti-God is Anti-American Anti-American is Treason Traitors lead to Civil War Civil War leads to Freed Slaves THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN
[–]ranthria 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
So his PO box is in West Virginia.. which wouldn't be its own state if not for the Civil War. There's ALWAYS irony!
[–]Mindhandle 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Wasn't the south in the civil war just a bunch of right wing nut jobs...that lost?
[–]SteelPenguin71 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Please don't assume everyone from West Virginia are backwards hillbillies. I know this is one more thing that doesn't help our cause, but trust me, we're not all like that.
[–]PleonasmSheep 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
If you grew up believing American was synonymous with or somehow implied 'Christian', you are a lunatic.
[–]liqnitrogn 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
[–]PerfectFaro 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
He seems like a nice man.
[–]platosghost 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
He actually wasn't too bad of a guy. Here is his wiki and a few quotes; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_Francis_Briggs
, he arrived in Monongah, West Virginia, where he became interested in the history of the Monongah Mining Disaster of December 6, 1907. In the accident, described as "the worst mining disaster in American History", at least 360 miners died; the vast majority of them were Italian Americans. After discovering there was no memorial, he sought to ensure that the victims of the tragedy were not forgotten. He wrote an article, based on his studies, suggesting that there were more than 361 victims of the Monongah Mining Disaster, and that the true number would be upwarded of 500.[1] In 1957 Briggs engaged himself in organizing the 50-year anniversary of the explosion. In 1961 he founded Saint Barbara's Memorial Nursing Home (Saint Barbara is the patron saint of miners) in Monongah, as a mining memorial to recognize the Monongah coal miners and all miners who died in mining disasters.
[–]afterbang 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago
God is a 3 letter word, war is a 3 letter word. God=war!!!
[–]davorzdralo 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Isn't this 'hate speech'? I'm not from USA, so I don't know how it qualifies there, but putting a sign like this would be dangerously close to prison time in most parts of Europe.
Bull. This guy can spout whatever he wants and I'll fight to defend his right to idiocy, and I'm damn glad it isn't like parts of Europe here.
[–]Steel12 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 months ago
We need to stop this rally cry of I fight for him to say it bullshit. When someones speech causes harm to an individual its the same as hitting them. Your right to wave your fists stops at my nose. Same thing goes for speech.
[–]project_twenty5oh1 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I would agree, as would most psychotherapists.
as would most psychotherapists.
*citation needed
[–]project_twenty5oh1 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Here you go, chief.
Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD symptoms, survivor guilt and trauma caused by bullying, harassment, abuse and abusive life experiences
bullying would qualify. as would harassment. Is the DSM no good, or shall we go over the very long list of gay students who were ridiculed into committing suicide?
ps: I find your lack of faith disturbing.
You're comparing physical violence to words... you make zero sense. Not only that you're saying it is the same thing.
This Billboard harms no one and is no way in the same league as physical violence. Don't like it? Move somewhere else where they take their freedom of speech for granted.
causes harm to an individual
Really? Explain to me how this billboard causes physical harm to someone on par with punching them in the face.
Let's take the religous hate speak against gay people. When you put up signs that tell gay people god hates them, they are evil or whatever, that is complicit with their suicide. It isn't alone responsible but complicit. I agree that freedom of speech must be protected, perhaps we should allow prosecution against those posting the sign if the victim likely would have seen the sign
[–]jbenuniv 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago
Fortunately, in the US we have a near absolute right to freedom of speech. The government cannot classify any speech as hate speech. Prison for expressing yourself is the opposite of what we should aim for.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Apparently our education system has failed people so badly that people like Steel12 think calling someone a name isn't protected free speech.
Kind of scary, really.
[–]Marhas 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I can't believe that you would think it is okay with hate speeches, when you surely must know the damages that they can cause.
Have you head of the massacre in Rwanda, or perhaps the holocoust?
Absolut freedom of speech works as long as the haters are in small numbers, but if they gain in numbers it no longer works. Most of the time they won't, however when they do the consequenses can (sometimes) be devestating. 11 000 000 dead people in the holocaust, 78 000 0000 dead alltohather in the second world war.
Tell one of the surviors that hate speeches are worth defending why dont you.
[–]jbenuniv 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I would tell any survivors of any massacre or Holocaust that free speech is the most important right we have and I would defend any speech by anyone at anytime, anywhere. And better, there are numerous survivors who would agree.
Freedom of speech is no different than just ordinary freedom. Law guaranties that you have it, but also, law reserves the right to take it away from you if you commit a crime. You rob a bank, state removes your freedom and puts you in prison. You call for intolerance and violence against other people, state removes your freedom and puts you in prison. Freedom of speech is just like any other right: it has limitations. Honestly, I prefer a country where hatred is not allowed in mass media.
[–]Marhas 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I am not saying that freedom of speech is unimportant, it is important as hell, but absolute freedom is not necessary. I have never in my life felt like the laws are holding me back from expressing myself, and I doubt it will ever happen. Some americans seem to think that people are not allowed to talk outside of USA, it is not true.
The laws protect my right to live without fear of being physically abused, in the same way I believe it is important for them to protect me from being verbally abused.
As they say, freedom of speech isn't just for those you agree with. It NEEDS to be for all, even those who say hateful things. If those things fall into harassment, well, we already have laws for that. Your definition of verbal abuse is too nebulous and vague to be meaningful. So we have laws covering harassment and incitement to violence. Those are the only narrow areas, aside from yelling fire in a crowded theater, that are off limits. I would rather have five assholes calling me a fucker every day than to limit their rights to speak.
Well hate speeches are kind of harassment though, except they bully larger parts of the society. If they keep on calling you a fucker every day that is harrasment, and your laws should according to you stop them.
Also it is not like I want freedom of speech only for those who think the same as me. I would just like you fight and die for freedom of speech for others, even if I don't agree with what they are saying. I would however not fight and die for anyones right to say "Niggers lives are worthless, don't feel bad if you kill one.". When the main purpose of saying something is to hurt someone it is not freedom of speech, then it becomes hate speech - it is not the same.
I'm having a hard time seeing this as punishable in most parts of Europe, can you back that statement up?
I'm European just for the record.
[–]davorzdralo 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Wiki defines hate speach informaly as "any communication that disparages a person or a group on the basis of some characteristic such as race, color, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, or other characteristic". The sign in OP's post claims that atheists are lunatics, traitors and anti-American. I believe that this is clearly hate speech.
And then, heres a quote from Wikipedia about enforcement of hate speech regulation in Serbia, where I live right now:
Because of inter ethnic conflicts during last decade of 20th century, Serbian authorities are very rigorous about ethnic, racial and religion based hate speech. It is processed as "Provoking ethnic, racial and religion based animosity and intolerance" criminal act, and punished with six months to ten years of imprisonment.
Rest of the Europe has similar laws, and as far as I know, they are properly enforced. You can check individual regulations per country on Wiki article.
By that definition saying something like "Swiss people are a bit nutty." is a hate speech and I can assure you that is not punishable in most parts of Europe, and cirtainly not anything to go to prison for.
There are different levels of hatred in speeches and I don't think the courts around Europe would imprisson that guy for his statement.
It is very important where and what the message is. No, "Swiss people are a bit nutty" is not hate speech as it is not inciting intolerance and hatred. But how about going to Germany and putting up a billboard with white supremacist message? Oh, you would go to prison pretty fast, trust me.
I agree with you that hate speech is a punishable matter, the thing I desagree with is that I don't see Briggs' speech so severe that prison would be the verdict if that came to court in most parts of Europe.
I must admit that I don't know the exact definition of when something is severe enough to imprison the accused, however I don't think this is. I imagine that he would have to take it down and he might even be fined for it but that is it I believe.
If you know what the relation between how harmful a hate speech is and how drastic the punishment is in your country (or generally in Europe) please share.
Well, it is very fuzzy... In Serbia, questions of religion are extremely touchy subject as we had some religion-inspired wars here in very recent history, so it's pretty...crazy on that matter. Thou, atheist bashing is still OK. Selective application of the laws is the worst plague of this country. I believe Western Europe should be a little more consistent, but I can't really provide examples, sorry.
Okay, yeah I suppose you mean the kosovo war, if so I'm familiar with it. I live in Sweden and I know there is no differance between atheists and theists in the application of law here atleast. I'm going to guess that laws in Sweden are probably a little less strict than in Serbia as Sweden has practically no recent history of violence at all.
I am afraid in the USA we still allow bullies to hide behind freedom of speech. Soon they will be accountable for being complicit in the final effect of their hate speech.
Here's the problem. Once you say speech can be restricted, you put in place the mechanism which can be used against you and those you agree with. I would rather ten thousand hate groups speak out for the murder of those they don't like than any of them be silenced. The answer to speech is more speech.
Yes, I understand but what happens when someone's hate speech causes a teen to take his own life?
Well, that is a terrible tragedy. Do I think the bully should be prosecuted? not unless his actions rose to the level of harassment. We already have a system for this type of thing. What we need to do is change social norms so that it is not ok to bully.
[–]mokeymanq 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Wasn't most of the Civil War-starting violence instigated by whether or not to allow slavery in newly-granted Mexican lands?
Technically, slavery causes Civil War, not traitors. And we all know the Bible's fine with slavery.
[–]Crimyote 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Because the only civil war ever was the American civil war right?
[–]mokeymanq 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I doubt other countries' Civil War survivors would care if anyone was Anti-American or not, much less portray it as an undesirable quality.
[–]Steel12 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
And West Virginia checks in again with another pearl of wisdom for all us. Thank you, thank you very much.
[–]Jcclark912 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
Does this sound like a threat to anyone else?
It sounds like the nonsensical empty ramblings of some old Model T human being.
[–]fe1ix 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Woah, Model T's are perfectly fine, you don't have to associate them with hatred.
[–]masepoes 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Rev. Briggs is a chop.
[–]whattothewhonow 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Rev. Briggs is a corpse.
Fixed that for you
[–]pinkytheunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Civil War leads to 'Merica.
[–]wasterni 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
That sign is flawed in so many ways that it's structure is more pathetic than its message.
[–]aprilfool01 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I read on SNOPES that E.F. Brigs died in 06. I wonder if these signs are still around.
[–]eromitlab 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see them start popping up in north Alabama, where I live. The FFRF has been reminding local high schools that their pre-game reading of the Lord's Prayer over the loudspeakers is un-Constitutional and should be stopped, which has been getting local Christians all butthurt about no longer being openly catered to in public. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that just up the highway from the healthcare billboard with the old Soviet hammer and sickle used as the C and the complementary "never vote for any Democrat" below it.
[–]DistilledPussyJuice 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Got me. Time to switch back to theism.
[–]Doremus_Jessup 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I have been labeled many things in my life. Lunatic atheist is a new one.
Good job of being tolerant Rev. E. F. Briggs.
[–]Desertjohnny 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
All I can say is, while that asshole was spewing fear and hate to his congregation, my atheist ass was in Iraq. Really, who's Anti-American?
[–]KorgRue 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I got news for him. Having a negative opinion, or even speaking out against your country and/or its policies is not treason. It is called freedom of speech. Treason is the act of trying to overthrow your government or committing illegal acts of subversion that could lead to the overthrow of your government.
Everett Francis Briggs was a fucking idiot. Too bad the fucker is dead. It would have been nice to kindly point out his error to him.
[–]stapleface 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Prove: anti-god = civil war given So by the law of syllogism, anti-god = civil war.
[–]moocow921 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
doesn't the united states constitution (as a part of the treaty of tripoli) say that the united states government is in no part based on christianity? also, someone should troll that guys mailbox
[–]The_Councillor 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
ok, back up the bus... is that billboard real?
Because if it is... wow.
[–]phathead 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
...Civil war leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering... All o' that leads to THE DARK SIDE!
[–]loveelliekay 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
One, two, skip a few...
[–]darkbridge 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Please let this be fake.
[–]hazarabs 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
AIRTIGHT LOGIC SUCH AS THIS BE SO VERY IMPRESSIVE
[–]perkanator 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
...i like how they call us lunatics and the first line of their logic has NO logic behind it.
[–]Bravo777 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
How the fuck did they get civil war out of non religious?
[–]atsnead 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
He put his address on the billboard... Lets all spam him with "lunatic atheist" stuff!
[–]chironshands 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This looks like a blatant case of libel to me. Are there people actively litigating things like this? I don't mind the mean-spiritedness, but categorically accusing people of treason shouldn't be taken lightly.
[–]theregoesanother 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This is why we can't have nice things...
[–]que_pedo_wey 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
WV is so American...
[–]RobSchneiderrp 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
lolwut? Common sense is nowhere to be found.
[–]IAmNotAPerson6 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
I think the Treaty Of Tripoli would like to have a word with this "Anti-God is Anti-American" business.
[–]hickgorilla 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Attention Rev E.F. Briggs: They make medication for people in your condition.
[–]Mendiosus 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
This doesn't apply to most of us. Only lunatic atheists. So, unless you require help from a mental health professional to manage your severe mental illness, you are exempt from what he has to say.
[–]youlovetonyt 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
infallible logic!
[–]Dr_Dippy 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
civil war, like the one that freed the slaves? mymymy can't have that happening again
[–]Sigul 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Okay, fine. Tax the church then. If it's a christian nation then the christian church should support the country.
[–]crystalhavokk 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Someone should send him gay pr0n. He DID put his address up for the public to see.
[–]Jazzeki 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
there is a very simple and correct answere to this. add a sign below saying "if christians wanna declare war on us for not beliveing what they belive then feel free. but you don't get to claim you didn't start it then."
[–]comprehension 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
How is Anti-God Anti-American? Even in the slightest? How does this at all agree with our founders?
Fuck this guy
[–]dcpeon 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
1 down. Millions to go.
[–]IncrediblyObvious 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Classic slippery slope fallacy.
who is asking for war here?
[–]KombuchaMushroomPeop 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Yes and the civil war lead to the end of slavery and the statehood of West Virginia. So what I take from the sign is that if you are anti-god you will help end slavery and make states.
[–]xXVintageRoseXx 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
....you know what my first thought was after reading this billboard? I immediately thought of 1984's 3 creeds..
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength,
[–]aircavrocker 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
looks like someone is getting a free subscription to Out. And a lot of porn.
[–]spagma 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago
Bring on your civil war. Your god commands you "Thou shall not kill", we have no such god and no such commandment.
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