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[–]thumbtackpress 53 points54 points ago

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Look Kids! Now YOU can identify good and evil with this handy facial hair cheat sheet!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Minor mustache with love patch. Got it. Thank you Jesus/Allah/FSM!

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points ago*

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There is a difference between religion and religious people, as well as a difference between morals and ethics.

EDIT: I meant to point out that it's an invalid argument with false underlying assumptions.

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[–]Amehunt 11 points12 points ago

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I was gonna ask, was that really the best Muslim he could think of? Come on man!

[–]x2lt 11 points12 points ago

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Was just going to ask the same.

[–]mouseparty 3 points4 points ago

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Yeah, the key is that all the good people are Americans. That's how you can tell good people from bad people.

[–]Worstcasescenario 14 points15 points ago

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Malcolm X was a pretty controversial figure but by the latter end of his life he had renounced basically all the violent and anti-white aspects of his ideology.

Usually that famous photo of him with a gun is used to discredit it but it was in reality him at home defending his family from threats.

[–]hitlersshit 22 points23 points ago

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he had renounced basically all the violent and anti-white aspects of his ideology.

He didn't actually renounce any of his rhetoric, he just stopped propagating it. If you call white people "devils" for your entire life and you truly change your belief, then you should apologize properly.

[–]VitalyO 6 points7 points ago

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Yeah in his autobiography his big revelation was shaking a random white mans hand. No announcement or anything.

[–]Purehatred -4 points-3 points ago

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RACISM ONLY WORKS ONE WAY. JUST LIKE SEXISM.

[–]MidnightSun 5 points6 points ago

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Replace with: Muhammad Ali

[–]AvastYeBrigand 1 point2 points ago

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He didn't really fight for anything though did he?

[–]Jokrmein 7 points8 points ago

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better for dying for nothing in vietnam.

[–]usermeister 0 points1 point ago

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He fought for himself, that at least accounts for something...

[–]hitlersshit 1 point2 points ago

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I believe Muhammad Ali supported the idea of a black America and a white America at one point. Although it is subjective, I would not consider that "good". I can't really think of any other thing he did that could be considered "good".

[–]SmokinDynamite 1 point2 points ago

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How about the protests against Vietnam war?

[–]hitlersshit -2 points-1 points ago

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He wasn't against war in general. He was against the Vietnam war because it was a "Christian war" or something.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality. If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail, so what? We’ve been in jail for 400 years."

[–]VitalyO 0 points1 point ago

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Muhammad Ali was actually a follower of the Nation of Islam with Malcolm X.

[–]aberrantgeek 0 points1 point ago

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Both later converted to Sunni Islam.

[–]TheFlyingHellfish 2 points3 points ago

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I think he can be interpreted either way.

[–]TragicOne 3 points4 points ago

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Subjective muslims need not apply.

[–]TheFlyingHellfish 2 points3 points ago

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I don't understand, please explain.

[–]TragicOne 0 points1 point ago

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I am saying that because it could simply be interpreted that he is good, isn't really enough to say, "Hey guys! What an awesome muslim!"

[–]TheFlyingHellfish 0 points1 point ago

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Oh ok, I understand.

[–]TragicOne 0 points1 point ago

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Good!

[–]into_the_stream 0 points1 point ago

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How about cat Stevens then?

[–]nmath6 24 points25 points ago

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That selection of examples is extremely poor, I suggest reading about the people you are going to use first next time.

[–]lutheranian 9 points10 points ago

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To be fair this isn't OP's original content. I've seen it before on Tumblr.

[–]DanishDude 2 points3 points ago

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On reddit as well. This is old.

[–]mtheoryx 0 points1 point ago

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And reddit. Many times.

[–]WcJessen 5 points6 points ago

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So we shouldn't have a dialogue about religion at all? We should turn a blind eye at the topic just because not all of them are bad?

I'm sorry, but I will never be quiet about religion until all the evil stuff that comes out of it is brought to an end. I won't, however, attack somebody just because they are religious.

[–]Frost_ 0 points1 point ago

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I agree with you completely, not to mention that the OP has clearly decided to join the discussion as a sort of third party so it's all a bit circular. My only problem here is that the OP is going on about it in a totally wrong subreddit. And I bet r/atheism gets more flak about spilling over to other subreddits, when in fact the actual content stays pretty much where it's supposed to be and it's these whiny and/or preachy ones that the poster suspects wouldn't get as much upvotes in eg. r/atheism (could be r/christianity too, for instance) are posted somewhere else in a more general subreddit like pics or funny. Annoying.

[–]ajw827 4 points5 points ago

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I love how someone makes a weak ass point and then acts like it's the end of the discussion. Funny.

[–]CerpinTaxes 9 points10 points ago

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The key difference being that religion tries to claim a monopoly on eithics which it doesn't adhere to and refuses to acknowledge ethics outside of religion.

[–]cIumsythumbs 1 point2 points ago

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Martin Luther King ruined the otherwise perfect run of facial hair=evil... unless...

[–]MJDeebiss 4 points5 points ago

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That's what I was thinking. We must be in the worst Community timeline (Troy's).

If you read that in an electric larynx voice then smile, we are friends now.

[–]VLDT 1 point2 points ago

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Except that it's not about ethics. It's about a fundamental disjoint in the way theists perceive the universe that causes them to make decisions based on irrational presumptions about the nature of the universe, often through their shortsightedness causing suffering and negative fallout to a world that never asked for them to clasp their childish self-delusions well into adulthood. Churches don't pay taxes, and that is favoritism.

[–]drebik 1 point2 points ago

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this is ridiculously simplistic

[–]partygoer 1 point2 points ago

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Tired old argument is tired. This has been refuted so many times it is just sad to se it posted once again.

[–]m3rkvry 4 points5 points ago*

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Since everyone is being snarky and unhelpful about your choice of evil Christian, might I suggest Pope Pius XII, who (depending on which historian you believe) either turned a blind eye to the Holocaust or helped Hitler plan it?

And I like Malcolm X as a choice for good Muslim, but if you want the less controversial choice, how about Benazir Bhutto?

[–]tpmouse 7 points8 points ago

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this image is too preachy

[–]RorschachDR1 3 points4 points ago

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as opposed to all the reddit atheists that preach the evils of religion?

[–]tpmouse 1 point2 points ago

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both sides are a buncha titty babies.

[–]WarPhalange 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, exactly.

[–]PolarShade 2 points3 points ago

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I think atheists have a bit of catching up to do in terms of being preachy compared to christians. ~2000 years worth by my reckoning.

But yes, I'm not a fan of the image in question.

[–]Deradius 3 points4 points ago

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I'll give you Martin Luther King Jr. In balance, he made a difference for the better.

As others have noted, Hitler's faith or lack thereof remains mysterious, but it seems probably that his private views were different than the Christianity he espoused in public.

Malcolm X learned about the National of Islam while he was in prison for larceny. There were times in his life when he was a black supremacist and segregationist.

Finally, to say religion does not "always" correlate with moral behavior is to make an obvious statement. For nearly any correlation, be it strong or weak, outliers exist. You've made a meaningless statement.

You've made this meaningless statement in response to a non-issue, as far as I'm aware. I've seen few people being taken seriously after giving examples and then attempting to support the notion that all people of faith, or all people without faith, are somehow bad.

[–]AfricazMost 0 points1 point ago*

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There is no question about Hitler's Christianity. There is mountain load of quotes from his speeches to support it. He even declares himself that. So who are you to say otherwise?

-Adolf Hitler, in Schleiz, Thuringia, 18 Jan. 1927 A few days ago I was in Eisenach and stood on top of the Wartburg, where a great German once translated the Bible. .............. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people

-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

*The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. *

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

*We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. *

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb. 193

If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work.

[–]Deradius 0 points1 point ago

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So you're saying that a public figure declared Christianity in public in a time and place when it was politically expedient to do so? Shock of shocks!

Look, I'm unabashedly drawing my conclusions based on the content of the Wikipedia article - which you're welcome to edit if you feel you should. The article acknowledges his public Christianity but cites several sources indicating that his private views different from his public persona - something not unexpected for someone like him.

I can't muster enough give-a-damn to go digging through the primary literature, so have at it. You've got a tougher job than I've got here, as you're attempting to prove the man believed in a certain faith, and all I'm trying to establish is that the nature of his faith is/was controversial.

It's going to take considerably more than a few quotations drawn from public speeches to a predominately Christian audience to convince me of what you're trying to establish.

[–]AfricazMost 0 points1 point ago

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That would be like someone 50 years from now saying that Osama Bin Laden was not a Muslim because there are several sources indicting that his private views different from his public persona.

Adolf Hitler, himself declared many that was a Christian. There is no mystery about. There are only those Christians who want to distance this man from their Religion because of the things he did. You can claim that he only used religion because it was politically expedient for him to do so because someone else claims that his private views different from his public persona BUT you can not prove. I, however can prove it because there is actual footage of him saying these things in his speeches and books.

[–]Deradius 0 points1 point ago

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That would be like someone 50 years from now saying that Osama Bin >Laden was not a Muslim because there are several sources indicting that >his private views different from his public persona.

And if those sources are reliable, who is to say that isn't the case? Did you know Osama well? (In point of fact, all signs point to Osama being a Muslim. Hitler, not so much.)

Adolf Hitler, himself declared many that was a Christian.

Yes, in front of a Christian audience whose support he needed. Big surprise that one of the most powerful demagogues in all of known history recognized religion as a powerful tool.

I, however can prove it because there is actual footage of him saying >these things in his speeches and books.

I'm not disputing his public statements. Those aren't at issue here.

I'm disputing the notion that the matter of his private faith is well established.

And since you're the one making the positive claim ("Hitler was a Christian in his private life,") it is you who will need the support.

[–]nekon 7 points8 points ago

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since when was hitler religious ?

edit: "He sometimes made public statements which seemed to affirm religion (which suited his political purposes) and prior to 1940 had promoted a "positive Christianity", purged of Judaism and instilled with Nazi philosophy, but in private was hostile to Christianity and had a plan to destroy it after the war."

[–]t6158 1 point2 points ago

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Can I have a source for that quote? This isn't the first time I've heard Hitler used as an example of a "bad Christian".

[–]nekon 1 point2 points ago

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here

[–]Dilettante 0 points1 point ago

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That's a surprisingly specific (and useful) wikipedia page. Thanks for sharing.

[–]t6158 -1 points0 points ago

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Thanks! have an upvote.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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Kind of like how presidents in America are forced to say theyre Christian or else they dont get elected.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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No, that is so wrong it hurts, the lies about Hitlers religion not only hurts Atheists, it covers up the true history of the world.

[–]Churba 0 points1 point ago

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To be specific, it's not a legal requirement - it was overturned in the 60s, IIRC, because it was found to be contradictory to the freedom of religion part of the US constitution - however, to be openly atheist would pretty much be political suicide.

So, they're not really forced per se, but they'd be mad to do otherwise if they wanted to be president.

I think there may be some states where it's a requirement to hold public office, but don't quote me on that.

[–]50missioncap 3 points4 points ago

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"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... we need believing people."

-Adolf Hitler

[–]wasterni 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like a lot of the facts could be messed up on this issue. As the whole article stated, personal reports were rather wishy washy on his religion but then again this comment kind of destroys the purpose of the initial picture. Point is we should stop seeing trying to blame everything bad on what someone believes in. Some things are caused by religion but bad and good occur regardless.

[–]DaHolk -4 points-3 points ago

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Well, was Luther a christian?

[–]RorschachDR1 5 points6 points ago

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yes lol.

[–]IrrigatedPancake 0 points1 point ago

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MLK? He was a reverend.

[–]DaHolk 2 points3 points ago

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No not MLK. The german one.

[–]RulerKorin 0 points1 point ago

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Luther as in the one that started the Protestant Reformation? Yes he was christian and he was part of the Catholic church until he left.

[–]IrrigatedPancake 0 points1 point ago

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He was also quite Christian.

[–]imgur-mirror-bot 3 points4 points ago

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[–]1123581321345589144b 0 points1 point ago

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Wrong subreddit my man. Post to r/atheism and I will see you in the depths of downvote hell ;)

[–]Eofofo 3 points4 points ago

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Haha actually the few times I've seen this posted to r/atheism it's actually gotten upvoted quite a bit. This is one of those pictures that's been on a lot of different subreddits.

[–]Metalcows 1 point2 points ago

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As a non-religious person this annoys me. Your going on about it just as much as the other side.

[–]Whoreadswhoreads 1 point2 points ago

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"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

[–]Darth_Hobbes 1 point2 points ago

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As old as this is, I find it perfectly applicable, I do not understand your downvotes.

[–]Technoslave 0 points1 point ago

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Morals are ethically corrupt.

[–]mishnak 0 points1 point ago

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Can anyone identify that font?

[–]MartialFur 0 points1 point ago

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Malcolm X and The Nation of Islam knew as much about Islam as Palin knows about string theory.

[–]into_the_stream 0 points1 point ago

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This is a repost, but some things are worth reposting, I think.

[–]RosieJo 0 points1 point ago

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Hm. Now personally I think Malcom X was awesome, but I think there are many people who wouldn't classify him as a "good muslim".

[–]SpaizKadett 0 points1 point ago

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Religion sucks, period!

[–]Zallomallo 0 points1 point ago

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Being completely pragmatic, I don't find this "infographic" very useful for proving points. It's very hard to find someone who would say that everyone off a certain (mainstream) religion is all evil or all good. Just listing several examples of good (Malcolm X?) and bad people doesn't prove the point of absence of correlation between religious fervor and morality. And also, Adolf Hitler isn't strong enough (of a Christian) to be used in the bad Christian example.

What we really need is percentage of religion from felons, or something similar, single examples are usually inferior to broad statistics.

[–]ethics 0 points1 point ago

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Correct

[–]danxmason 2 points3 points ago

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Really? A lot of religious morality seems quite unethical to me.

[–]guyfish -1 points0 points ago

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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

[–]drebik 1 point2 points ago

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Funny your're down-voted when your quote is actually meaningful while OP post is ridiculous

[–]concordefallacy 1 point2 points ago

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"Hi, my name is Common Redditor, and even though your comment directly relates to the original post and thread topic, I will downvote it. I disagree with it I AM OFFENDED -- but I will not reply to it with words, but rather: ARROWS!"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Repost.

[–]iHeartCoolStuff 0 points1 point ago

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Awesome message... horrible examples

[–]jamesj 0 points1 point ago

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With or without religion good people do good things and bad people do bad things, but for good people to do bad things takes religion.

[–]eltigretom 0 points1 point ago

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Is there a nice little graphic that compares historical religious death tolls to that of lives saved from religion that doesn't utilize the facial hair rule?

[–]hdbngr15 0 points1 point ago

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I liked it better the last time I saw it on reddit :/

[–]peter-pickle 0 points1 point ago

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[Cringe].... Bill Gates... bad choice.

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[–]hunch 0 points1 point ago

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OMG I just realized that is why they made r/atheist a default subreddit ! It all makes sense now !

[–]Gerkins31 -2 points-1 points ago

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Welcome to Timetogetstoned's magical world of statistics, where averages and proportions do not apply,and any two things are completely equal if you can find one example for each that goes against the norm! But don't take my word for it, try it yourself! Did you know that there are people who do massive amount of coke and don't die, and there are people who do not do massive amounts of coke and die anyway? Using Timetogetstoned's fantastic new logic, that means that both are equally healthy options, so do all the coke you want!

[–]kanyesearle -1 points0 points ago

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Repost asshole

[–]Ragnalypse -3 points-2 points ago

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Malcom X and King were both douchebags. Why the hell was this reposted?

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points ago

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To me there is no good islam.

[–]frankster -1 points0 points ago

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fuck off bill gates is not ethical

[–]th31nsurg3nt -2 points-1 points ago

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religion doesant always correlate with ethics. yea, facial hair doesnt either dumbass

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points ago

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Good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but it takes religion to make a good person do bad things.

-Jay Z

[–]zaltod -2 points-1 points ago

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Awesome, can we post this over on /r/atheism.

They are far worse then the fanatical Christians/Muslims whatever at shoving their beliefs down others throats.

[–]phi16180 -3 points-2 points ago

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Hitler was an atheist. Malcom X was NOT good. And stalin shared some of the same ethics many of those who support occupy wallstreet do. DOWNVOTE ME TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]crunchymuffin 1 point2 points ago

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Hitler was a christian, where the hell do you get you're facts?

[–]drebik -1 points0 points ago

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why? you're right.

[–]f5f5f5 -1 points0 points ago

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I honestly thought the pic was about facial hair :P

[–]crrumb -1 points0 points ago

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But the facial hair to glasses ratio looks like pretty solid evidence to me.

[–]madmonty98 -1 points0 points ago

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THANK YOU! for saying this.

[–]Nick2the4reaper7 -1 points0 points ago

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THANK YOU! Someone finally brings this up.

[–]Blurr11 -2 points-1 points ago

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Hitler was not a christian

[–]Snow_Cub -4 points-3 points ago

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Oh god This. Please, This!

[–]lovesmasher -2 points-1 points ago

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You can, if you'd like.

[–]Scratch203 -2 points-1 points ago

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I think this makes me an evil muslim O_o

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