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This single wordless illustration caused me to question my religion years ago, and birthed the proud atheist I am today. Wanted to share it (i.imgur.com)
submitted 10 months ago by highruleking
[–]nateguy 192 points193 points194 points 10 months ago
This image signifies everything I hate about religious parents. Those two... creatures... are the exact things my parents are. The other day I overheard my little sister expressing to my father how she thinks evolution makes a lot of sense, and then I heard my dad yelling at her how she's a disgrace for thinking differently than what the bible says. It was the literal fucking translation of this image.
[–]highruleking[S] 96 points97 points98 points 10 months ago
Exactly. That's why it spoke to me, and what always gives me chills about this, is once that bible is wrapped around your head like a clamp, its so hard and so arduous to take it off. My parents are the same way as you just described
[–]crave_you 18 points19 points20 points 10 months ago
So true. It's so hard to not be a afraid for at least a while after you try to walk away from it.
[–]korlinni 22 points23 points24 points 10 months ago
My parents are religious but don't believe everything that is in the bible. Sucks that your father would repress her right of freedom of choice to believe what she wants to believe in.
[–]MrKequc 27 points28 points29 points 10 months ago
They're worried and stressed out that their little girl is going to go to hell. It must be a horrible way to live life.
[–]Aoe330 42 points43 points44 points 10 months ago
It must be a horrible way to live life.
It is.
I mean, it's been a while since I was a theist, but I can remember being concerned that, because I didn't have any personal relationship with god, I might accidentally go to hell. I remember that this actually worried me.
It's a horrible way to live. You're afraid all the time you might make a mistake. The real bitch of it being, everyone makes mistakes once in a while. You're bound to be condemned in some way.
It's such a horrible way to look at the world. As much as we make fun of the theists, we should also feel pity and empathy for them. They suffocate under the weight of rocks they put upon on themselves, and they can't understand any other way of living. It's horribly tragic in an abused spouse kind of way.
[–]bbg2g 5 points6 points7 points 10 months ago
When I was a child, I was a theist as well. When I found out that my best friend was an atheist, I was worried sick that he would burn in hell. The thought of your best friend burning in a lake of fire for eternity, screaming in agony, is really damaging. It's incredible what you can do to a child with a vivid imagination and a predisposition to trust elders.
[–]SomeDaysAreThroAways 6 points7 points8 points 10 months ago
You mean to say that not all xtians are carbon copies of Ned Flanders?
[–]Krackor 8 points9 points10 points 10 months ago
Flanders is a horribly repressed, nervous, and guilty character. He's one of the better illustrations of a pathologically religious person. It's no coincidence he's Homer's neighbor (symbolizing equality). Homer is held back by an inescapable stupidity; Flanders is held back by a self-imposed mental suppressant.
[–]a_stray_comma 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
I am a Christian and as hard as it is to admit it, I am indeedily, not a carbon copy of Ned Flanders.
[–]nil_von_9wo 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I have not considered myself a theist since I was able to consciously consider whether I am a theist. I can not really remember ever believing in any god, just remember being taught that the distinction between Jews and Christians was whether we believed Jesus was the messiah. At some point before I even graduated primary school, I felt declaring that I believed in anything, most especially unseen entities rather problematic.
Much later (while in high-school), a born-again Christian (not-much-later ex-) girlfriend dragged me to her Christian youth group. While they did absolutely nothing to instill any faith in me, it was rather evident (and very temporarily mildly effective) that they were trying to make me feel guilty about not believing in god, which I thought was a rather screwed up way to push a religion.
I was forced to ask the question what sort of sadistic and bigoted god would insist that faith is required and then make people (such as myself) natural born skeptics... not to mention all the gullible people who may have been born to a family of the wrong faith.
That doubled my atheism: On top of not believing that god existed, I concluded that if this god were actually to exist, he wouldnt be worth following and therefore still wouldnt be my god.
[–]kittenkat4u 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
this i agree with. i couldnt imagine living day to day worrying about if i was going to hell or not if i make even a little mistake. like you said, everyone makes mistakes...wouldnt that mean no one gets into heaven?? if that was the case, if i was christian, i would just stop worrying about it...it would be a lose/ lose no matter what you did.
[–]majorgoo2 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I've spent the last 3 years trying to convince my wife that she's not going to horribly tortured for all eternity, that if God's worth believing, he's not worse than the most horrendous murderer and dictator that the world has ever seen.
Reddit has helped me A LOT in getting my wife to come to terms with this. She still goes to church, but I've guided her to a church that teaches compassion and love as God's presence, and not judgementalism and nastiness.
[–]Azzmo 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
a church that teaches compassion and love as God's presence, and not judgementalism and nastiness.
If there were more of the former and less of the later we would be a much better country.
[–]Azzmo 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
So being religious is effectively the stress Santa causes in the 3 days leading up to Christmas.
[–]thedeepestwang 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I understand completely. My parents were never very religious, but I read parts of the Bible on my own. Hell was a terrifying thing for younger me, and I asked to be saved multiple times, just so I could calm down some. Ended up having to have some therapy. :/
[–][deleted] 90 points91 points92 points 10 months ago
My dad did the same thing to me when I told him I was an atheist. He even tried to hit me, and I ducked. I asked him what kind of Christian would strike a child in the name of God. He went red with shame. Ever since then he's been as understanding as he can manage. Over the course of a few months I've successfully outlined why believing in God, or any gods, is silly.
He's slowly losing his faith.
[–]Fushigidane001 37 points38 points39 points 10 months ago
I'm happy for you; your father became a better man.
[–]dmack96 12 points13 points14 points 10 months ago
Its things like this that really confuse the hell out of me. How can the disconnect by so big, that you don't see that reacting like that is the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be. I'm glad your dad at least recoiled. But for others I know, its like if you didn't broadcast you went to church all the time, I would only be able to tell you think your a christian by how you react to people who aren't.
[–]Eugoogaly 21 points22 points23 points 10 months ago
See, this is the disconnect I don't get. It interests me that nearly everyone, Atheist and Christian alike, talk about Christianity like this, that acting violently like this is not how a 'true' Christian would act, or that a 'true' Christian would be such a good person. From what I remember of Deuteronomy, his father actually should have stoned him to death for saying something like that. Then one might argue that the New Testament overrides the Old, and Jesus had all these great teachings and was this great guy, but If I recall, Jesus also said to fallow all of the tenants in the Old Testament. Check out John 1:17 and Mark 7:10 and Deuteronomy 13:6-some odd. Deuteronomy if I remember was written by Moses.
tl;dr: Christianity isn't a good religion, and his Dad trying to hit him is pretty much on par with the teachings of the Bible, even the Jesusy bits.
[–]Krackor 9 points10 points11 points 10 months ago
There is no good religion.
FTFY
When one's belief system is founded on the antithesis of reason, the only response one can muster when it is threatened is violent emotion.
[–]knrsred 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Well I don't get the emphasis on religion being incapable of being ethical ("good") when it simply doesn't matter anyway since it doesn't make any sense. Why does something completely stupid have to turn into a villain for some reason? Cause you want to have something to fight against? (I actualy take back the argument if you live in certain parts of the US but still)
Also those scriptures aren't supposed to be taken as an instruction manual for your purchase of christian or sth, in fact if you argue about them with some heavily philosophical christian instead of some illiterate hillbilly he's going to start giving crazily "deep" abstract and (pseudo)philosophical explanations to the point that you 'll feel that you are arguing against Noam Chomsky.
Does religion make sense? No. Does it provide a valuable set of humane and ethical rules? Yes (usually) . Is it the only route to being ethical? No. Should we go on some kind of political crusade against it? WHY the fuck would anyone bother to do such a thing? (unless he has to deal with crazy ass creationists in the states)
As for the pic I remember the day I stopped believing in jaysas. It was that Holy Fire celebration (in greece). All around me there were like people with their legs cut off due to diabetes, blind people beging for money etc, and despite all that shit and people like about to die that could use some proper miracle, god's chosen miracle was to light some stupid fire to the delight of all the expensively dressed morons that were about to receive the fire then go party and celebrate while the diabetes guy would drag his way home and slowly die. I told my dad about it and he said who cares it's just some stupid tradition anyway.
[–]heavenlytoaster 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Does it provide a valuable set of humane and ethical rules? Yes (usually)
But the simple fact remains NO IT DOESNT, all of these humane and ethical rules are picked out of the bible DESPITE what it says, not BECAUSE of what it says. The bible says a lot of things, the ones that are good we judge to be good independent of it and the ones we judge to be bad are "just misunderstandings" or "from a different culture" or "no longer apply to todays world" or any other sort of nonsensical justification you want.
[–]knrsred 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I agree. But I didn't say like, creates, I said provides, provides in some complex mess of false hopes some massive social placebo effect various "misunderstandings" and christian hippy stuff.
However I am not against someone having his own kind of placebo and metaphysical bs that make him feel less insecure and prone to act nice to others. I'll only get negative about his beliefs if he goes all "this is the truth and you are all false and deceived by satan" and my point is man I don't like this shit about religion being evil, I like to think in terms of logical or illogical, not good vs evil.
[–]heavenlytoaster 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I like to think in terms of logical or illogical, not good vs evil.
sure, but its hard to argue against a very gutted utilitarianism (harm = bad, without attention to scales and trade-offs) view to equate the two on some basic societal level.
[–]Eugoogaly 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I live in a rural area in the US, so it's not that I want a fight, so much as I have one.
Please clarify your second paragraph.
I find the fact that every single major civil rights battle in the existence of the US, not even counting the ones in other countries, have been opposed by the teachings of the bible as definite reasons to bother to go on a "political crusade" against religions that teach bigotry and impact the lives and rights of people in such a negative fashion.
That does sound like a shitty excuse for festivities.
[–]dmack96 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I agree with all of that. Especially not being able to exclude the old testament as an argument. But I think even the amount of teachings being focused on in the U.S. aren't equal the amount of reactions I here like this. Mormons not included because they are, if nothing else, consistent. Condemning gays is about as bold as the average church is willing to go. And even that never came up in the few baptist church I switched between in high-school here in SC. But obviously I haven't been conducting a nationwide survey.
tl;dr: They don't listen to the bible in the first place, but I still find it unlikely there are sermons that suggesting the amount of violence seen
[–]frofrodajimmyboy 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Well, to be fair, God would completely support abusing an insubordinate child. Implying that Christianity is "supposed to be" all about love and happy feelings seems pretty silly when you actually read its book. The "everyone love each other and be nice" version of Christianity is a VERY recent invention, one that not everyone is swallowing, and one that's completely unsupported by scripture.
Its always been about what the current social standard is, never what the bible actually says. But thats why I'm confused because I still think there aren't sermons preaching violence or things like writing dirty letters because on a car because of a bumpersticker, against atheist on any substantial level. There aren't even any scammy evangelist broadcasting that kind of thing that I know of, because that wouldnt be as profitable as trying to rake them in.
[–]Azzmo 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Three word answer: It's a cult.
Longer answer: We're tribal creatures and we seek validation in conformity. Generally. There are obviously many people who don't have the attribute. You can safely assume that when it's more important to participate in rituals than it is to understand them, the worshiper is merely a participant and not at all enlightened. They usually don't even understand their own religion's values because that's not important. Conforming is important.
I suspect the average atheist knows more about the Bible than the average Christian.
[–]dmack96 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
favorite response. Its human nature to seek a group. I think there was a TED talk about warping perceptions of reality as a survival mechanism because throughout human evolution, if you thought about how likely you were to get eaten, have a child die early, or be killed by another tribe, then you wouldn't even want to live. But today the only thing I can attribute to the divide in reasoning isn't genetics, because that wouldn't explain this incident.
I can only see a correlation between self education, or lack of, as the main correlation with religious beliefs. But then what causes that?
I think you're right about religion sprouting from a species whose brains developed enough to comprehend the frightening larger picture. We fear the unknown and we're completely unable to comprehend death. Theism likely would never have happened to an intelligent species grown in a lab.
As to why specific people are religious - we would find various reasons for it. While it's a significant mechanism of change, I don't believe that education or self education is a binary yes-or-no determinant in religiosity; there are many highly educated worshipers. Society, upbringing, social pressure, fear of death, education, fear of unknown, enjoyment of devotion, friends in the church, feeling of belonging, fear of god...pick one or more for any given believer.
It's hard to give up a lifetime of belief in a thing that is a foundational part of your lifestyle and thought system. I truly admire people who convert to reason because of this giant leap they take.
[–]movie_man 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Righteous.
[–]istara 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
That's great. I think the anger is closely linked to fear, because someone's faith isn't as strong as they wish it to be. And as you can see in your father's case, it's quite easy to erode.
[–]susuhead 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I wish I could get my folks to accept my atheism. As it stands, I'm a closet atheist (how fucking silly does that sound) to my family. Every person in the world that matters to me knows and accepts that I'm an atheist except the two that created me.
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[–]susuhead 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Quite so. I've always hated that "you can't choose your family..." saying.
[–]Pikabob 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
pwnt!
[–]workandreddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Lucky for you your dad's favorite bible character is not Abraham.
[–]patricka 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I asked him what kind of Christian would strike a child in the name of God.
Perhaps the same kind that's so awful they made God kill himself.
[–]Ssssnacob 12 points13 points14 points 10 months ago
Even that creepy pope guy has acknowledged evolution as fact.
[–]Nattfodd1776 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
My understanding is that he acknowledges evolution, but that it's directed by God. So it really isn't evolution at all.
I could be wrong.
[–]Lightslayer 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I've always been suspicious about that. Part of me thinks he said he believes in his own little version of evolution just so he would appeal more to people. That's my 2 cents, anyways...
[–]thesorrow312 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Mr. Ratzinger, what that before or after he went to Africa to have a reunion with Rommel?
[–]Grimjestor 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
...Almost like a parent's love is conditional per religious agreement...
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 months ago
This image signifies everything I hate about some religious parents
FTFY.
I have religious parents, they're great (grew up in a religious town, many similar situations with friends)! There are also fucking terrible parents who are atheists... so basically what you don't like is bad parents.
[–]highruleking[S] 20 points21 points22 points 10 months ago
Yes generalization is always a bad thing to do, i should say that religious parents that suffocate their children are bad, or i should say that any parent regardless of religion or whatever that hinders their child's mind from developing their own ideas about life is a bad parent.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 months ago
A very agreeable statement.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Indoctrination is a pretty awful thing that is virtually unique to religious people.
[–]chonglibloodsport 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Sure, bad parents are bad. But religion typically encourages parents to behave like this. It can make even the good parents into bad ones in this instance.
[–]Toderico 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
some religions have a time of 'Confirmation', in which the child, upon reaching a age of 15 or 16 (in the Catholic Church, at least [I'm Catholic]), can decide whether they wish to continue following the religion or not. In a way, Confirming their act of joining the church (people can back out at this point if they want).
[–]alphasquadron 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Catholic here. Or was. It might just be me but my Sunday school peers and I never cared to find out the full meaning of confirmation, just knew we had to go to Sunday school, etc to get confirmed. I don't think its the church saying are you sure you want to continue being a Christian/Catholic as much as it's just another step like baptism in which you go through. I don't think the church would ever ask: "Are you sure you want to continue to believe in all this stuff that we taught you, how about look over this reasonably and see if it makes sense."
[–]chonglibloodsport 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Sure, I went through confirmation as a young catholic (at age 13, actually). I most certainly lacked the experience to make that decision. I didn't become an atheist until 16 or 17.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I agree, religion isn't conducive to what we would consider good parenting in this situation, however many parents rise above it (without necessarily abandoning their beliefs) which is a good start.
[–]Cameltoezors 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Horrible. You need to save her.
[–]iDontSayFunnyThings 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I'm sorry, but you're doing the exact same thing fundamentalist Christians do to atheists. You're dehumanizing your opponents. They aren't 'creatures'. What they are doing is wrong, and in many cases straight up revolting, but they are human.
I believe he's referring specifically to the image, in which I agree with his assessment that the two adults aren't particularly human. They're humanoid, but not human.
[–]Pretzelpalosa 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Seriously, at this point, if I hear anyone say evolution is incorrect or just 'a theory,' I just want to punch them in the face. I still consider myself at least spiritual, if not a bit religious, but evolution should not even be disputed.
[–]IllGetDownvotedBut 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Dude your sister sounds like a smart kid. You should have hope for her. My little brother, on the other hand, has already had religion drilled deep into his head. I have little hope for him ever actually thinking critically about it.
[–]jacobtaylor1987 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Biblical literalists are the absolute worst.
[–]robreim 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Did you stick up for her? Just curious how it played out and whether your sister was successfully beaten down.
[–]nateguy 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
There's not much I can do in those cases. After the fiasco, I pulled her aside and let her know that I think she's right.
[–]Sigul 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Ask him if he would sell her to a rapist if he had fifty shekels.
[–]jonpotz 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Damn bro, I feel for you. If you haven't broke free already, you will one day. I was communed and confirmed. But they couldn't get me :)
[–]SonOfSatan 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
That is seriously fucked up, did you talk to your sister or father about it? Does he know what you believe?
[–]Lopretni 67 points68 points69 points 10 months ago
I'm resisting the urge to post this on Facebook and tag people in it.
I'm not doing a very good job of it.
[–]chazysciota 20 points21 points22 points 10 months ago
Screenshots please...
[–]ManOfManyWiles 32 points33 points34 points 10 months ago
I feel deeply disturbed by all the implications of this picture. Also, slightly disturbed by their little sideways eyeballs. Weird, am I right?
[–]shanoxilt 11 points12 points13 points 10 months ago
This might interest you.
[–]Peckmo 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I hate you with a passion now.
[–]Irongrip 8 points9 points10 points 10 months ago
You need to see the whole thing to have that maximum effect.
[–]LavisterGrey 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Does anything pop out like the Korean comic posted a while back?
[–]Irongrip 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
The impact of that last frame is much stronger when you see the whole thing, how the people are compelled to go in and the gradual metamorphosis. I highly recommend it.
In this rendition it's sort of "peak-a-boo" loosing most of the impact.
[–]theLmovingKnight 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
No. Its kind of thoughtfully scary. Not make you shit your pants scary. I recommend it.
[–]moarroidsplz 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
You read Uzumaki? I'd recommend it, though I think Amigara Fault is my favorite of his stories.
[–]purely_for_science 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Korean comics. Not even once.
[–]gyrorobo 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
You mean this one?
[–]shanoxilt 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Yeah, that is one of the scariest manga I've ever read.
[–]moonn7stars 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Wow, just read the whole thing. Do you have any more?
[–]moarroidsplz 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Buy Uzumaki. Only 3 volumes long, but similar.
[–]shanoxilt 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I'm sorry but no. :(
I almost threw my phone across the room. Damn my curiosity.
If you read the whole story, it will probably make you feel claustrophobic.
[–]yrro 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
That was horrible, thanks! But link to the first page next time--it would have been 10 times more horrible if I didn't know what was coming...
I just wanted to cut to the chase. :P
[–]SomeDaysAreThroAways 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
i think it would have been more powerful if the parents had no eyeballs. Showing the eyeballs symbolizes that they can still see the world clearly even though they're totally clamped in.
[–]fnupvote89 10 points11 points12 points 10 months ago
I think you're supposed to interpret that what they see is processed by the Bible. That is, even though their eyes are perfectly normal what they see is still filtered in their consciousness by the Bible. It has so warped them that they no longer think for themselves but rather think what the book wants them to think.
[–]dontmindmeimdrunk 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I'm thinking these sideways eyeballs represent an extremely narrow vision. An absence of eyes might not have been as striking.
[–]zombieduck 14 points15 points16 points 10 months ago
This is the first atheist post that I've liked because it also functions as art.
[–]onlyAA 5 points6 points7 points 10 months ago
Same. I wish the OP would credit the artist! I want to know who is it!
[–]cheshire137 25 points26 points27 points 10 months ago
I've been working with PHP too long today. I read that as "This single wordpress installation caused me to question...".
[–]otakuman 9 points10 points11 points 10 months ago
Well, I've questioned God after many painful Microsoft installations...
[–]FallingAwake 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
My parents were about the same. Our family went to church until I was about 8-10 years old or so then we seemed to just stop going. It's weird to think we ever went considering there was never one thing said by my parents about religion when I was growing up.
[–]DrunkenFist 7 points8 points9 points 10 months ago
I've seen that before, and it is uber-creepy every time. Even more so for its firm basis in reality.
[–]eyehate 7 points8 points9 points 10 months ago
My father telling me I was sinful, when I was about four, was probably the biggest push to make me question everything.
I still recall him telling me that. And I felt so helpless because I didn't mean to be sinful and I had no clue what made me sinful.
Parents kept me in church until I was about sixteen when I just quit going.
Thanks, dad.
[–]kittenkat4u 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
sorry that happened to you. i cant imagine anything a 4 yr old doing that would be considered sinful. unless you had an imaginary friend that wasnt called god.
[–]eyehate 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
He told me that we were all born sinful, basically. None of my actions prompted the remark.
Terrible thing to tell a child.
[–]kittenkat4u 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
ah...the good old "original sin" arguement. if youre going to teach that to your kids you should probably wait until they are a bit older so they can truly understand what you mean. i can see that being VERY confusing to a 4 yr old. it seems a bit too complex for that age. i personally dont believe in that theory as it seems impossible for something that was just born 10 seconds ago to have sinned in any compacity.
[–]DontCareMuch 12 points13 points14 points 10 months ago
The thing is the average christian doesn't actually know 95% of the bible.
[–]Ray57 24 points25 points26 points 10 months ago
Hard to read it when it's squishing your head so hard your eyeballs are popped.
[–]nateguy 8 points9 points10 points 10 months ago
Good point.
[–]InconsiderateBastard 12 points13 points14 points 10 months ago
That doesn't really matter. It isn't that you know what the bible says, it's that you believe what others tell you to believe about the bible.
[–]bnuts77 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
The thing is, that percentage was found at least 95% up your ass.
[–]darth_chocolate 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I've heard Mormons are actually pretty knowledgeable about the Bible. They're encouraged to read through the two books (Book of Mormon too) regularly. A little bit every night, when you reach the end start over.
Overall Mormons are encouraged to read a lot of material. The only thing is they're told not to read certain types of things. If it makes you feel funny, that's the holy spirit abandoning you while you're reading something evil and you have to stop and go read something more wholesome.
*sigh*
[–]LibraryKrystal 6 points7 points8 points 10 months ago
Coraline will not be the same next time I watch it.
[–]beermepodcast 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Anyone know who drew this? This artist deserves credit for such a haunting and poignant image.
[–]highruleking[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Wish i knew, say it on 4chan many years ago
[–]hoojAmAphut 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Bah!! I was scrolling down hoping to find where this is from.. I want this image blown up and mounted on my wall. I MUST HAVE IT
[–]highruleking[S] 6 points7 points8 points 10 months ago
I should add because a fellow redditor brought it to my attention that i didn't give the artist credit. I honestly don't know where its from, i saw it on 4chan many years ago
[–]hotakyuu 20 points21 points22 points 10 months ago
Wow, never seen that before, thanks for posting. Creepy and so true it is.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 10 months ago
The innocence in that kid's eyes is what gets me.
Makes me think how close I was to ending up a bible-headed freak.
/shudder
[–]hotakyuu 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Yeah the kid is just trusting the parents because that's all he knows, but you can tell in the back of his mind he is doubting, probably a reflection of the artist's own feelings about that time in their lives.
That hit me as well, then it makes me think of the people I know who are like that... :(
[–]Synackaon 13 points14 points15 points 10 months ago
Speechless, good friend, speechless.
[–]lnstantKarma 16 points17 points18 points 10 months ago
Maybe he was peach-less and he typed an 's' by accident. Having no peaches is a serious issue.
[–]otakuman 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
What did you expect from a speechless man? To be a good speller? :P
[–]Synackaon 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Of course -- he /is/ writing after all. ;)
[–]blpsoup 9 points10 points11 points 10 months ago
This is so provocative and deep. Thanks for sharing.
[–]SpeciesUnknown 6 points7 points8 points 10 months ago
I am in no way religious, but i find this image deeply disturbing from both sides. i am not glad to see this image at all
[–]lilstumpz 10 points11 points12 points 10 months ago*
Just because something's not dandy and cheerful doesn't void the meaning it's portraying.
[–]WaterMist 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
Just because he's not glad to see the image doesn't mean he wishes he hadn't.
[–]SpeciesUnknown 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
no it doesn't, but that doesn't mean i do not have to agree with it.
[–]rexmorgan 5 points6 points7 points 10 months ago
This is awesome and also creepy as hell. Thanks for posting.
[–]Gr00ber 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Reminds me of the monks in the latest Doctor Who season.
[–]GordonMcFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
For some reason, thought more of the weeping angels.
[–]Gr00ber 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Idk, most zealous people spend their time trying to get you to pay attention to them.
[–]theDalaiSputnik 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Thanks for sharing. My nightmares will now be filled with vertical eyed, bookfaced monsters.
[–]Proj101 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
From the movie Coraline, this image reminds me of the crazy witch mom and button eyes.
[–]lynn 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I find that image terrifying and I hate it. Very powerful.
cringe
[–]bunckachunk 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
This scares me, This is why i upvoted it.
[–]MisterSquidz 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Yo this shit be scary.
[–]recursionr 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
What did I say?!? WHAT DID I SAY?!? http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/kgxo9/the_indoctrination/c2k74a8
I 'll always keep my promise: Upvoted!
[–]redtophat 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
First time I upvoted a r/atheism thread. Amazing content.
[–]tomonline 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
repost this as many times as you want, it will always get an upvote from me
[–]whichgodisshittier 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
From the comments I conclude that a lot of people don't know/see the difference between indoctrination and education.
[–]MegaZeusThor 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Good job OP. While this picture has been re-posted in the past, you added context. Adding a sliver of story adds some meaning for those who have seen it before. And of course those who haven't seen it get to.
P.S. Creepy as all hell. It's effective because it's an action in progress -- we can anticipate what is about to happen.
[–]theagonyofthefeet 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago*
The truth is, if more Christians would actually read the Bible, they might be able to see it for the bullshit it is.
[–]turtleshellmagic 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
This images actually triggered the fight or flight reflex in me just now...horrifying.
[–]lectricman6002 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
This is terrifying,a beautiful young mind forever more shackled with this drivel.
[–]MrKequc 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Wow that is certainly some image you have found there. O_O
"...I often think about religion, and how lucky I am that I am not religious... When I compare what scientific knowledge has done for me and what religion tried to do to me I sometimes literally shiver."
[–]SonVolt 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
They look kind of like this to me...
[–]highruleking[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Reminded me of beetlejuice too!
[–]WaterMist 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Whoa, where is that from?
[–]Rainieri 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
My parents are Theists but they don't go to church and never forced it on me. Now I'm a very happy Atheist.
[–]whatitpoopoo 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Oh shit you sure showed me
[–]petsounds94 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
There is something very powerful about this image.
[–]JebusJuice 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
The Mormon Version. My heart hurt as I made this...
http://imgur.com/nPtWm
[–]hisham_hm 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Something in it reminded me of Pink Floyd's The Wall.
[–]Raidicus 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I was raised Christian, but allowed to think and act freely. As I grew up, I began to really appreciate my upbringing. Christianity was and will always be a framework by which I now make moral decisions. Some people were probably taught morals without religion, but for those of us that were: the bible is a symbol for treating others with respect and dignity. For charity, for relationships, etc. I understand how you could feel this way about Christianity, but I for one appreciate this opportunity to share my personal experience. My personal experience was FAR from the negative "mind crushing, soul crushing" version of Christianity depicted in this image.
[–]moonn7stars 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
I'm glad you had a good experience with the "the bible [as] a symbol for treating others with respect and dignity". Presumably that's because you skipped all the "good" parts, the ones about slavery, murder, God-instructed genocide, stoning non-virgins etc. Anyone with good parents has a good shot at becoming a good person. The bible in it's entirety is a very poor basis for morality.
[–]AlwaysSpinClockwise 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Dude, I'm really sorry for the general attitude of Christians these days. I swear, we're really not supposed to be a elitist group of people with our noses stuck up in the air, looking down on anyone who dares try to think for themselves.
It's true though, that's so often how it is now. Really sad, considering that's the polar opposite of what Jesus taught.
We're called to love, plain and simple, care for others, and give unconditionally. Not to judge, not to point fingers... just to love.
It's sad that so much hatred, and stubbornness has crept into the church, leading us to shut people off if they don't walk in the perfect ten-commandment footsteps we think they should.
Jesus came to forgive, he came to bring life, he came to love. He loved everyone. He said "Whoever here is without sin, let him throw the first stone." to a crowd of people ready to put a hooker, the lowest of the low in those days, to death. When they all left after the realization hit them that none was really worthy, only Jesus was left. He could have thrown the stone, judged her like so many "Christians" are so quick to do these days, but he didn't. He just told her she was important. He loved, and that's all he wants us Christians to do.
Being a Christian isn't about being better than others. I can have an intelligent discussion with my atheist friends about their beliefs. I can see the logic behind evolution, but for me there's just too many hang-ups for me to jump on board with it. That doesn't make either of us any less as people though. They are still my friends who I care about and respect.
As Christians we're not told to go around fear-mongering the world, warning them of the evil to come. We're not expected to lead perfect lives. That's why we're supposed to believe in Jesus. If we're really trying to be perfect to save ourselves, we're just trying to do God's job. All we're supposed to do is trust Jesus to forgive all the mistakes we make like he said he would. Then, we're supposed to love; do to others as you'd have them do to you. That's all that Christianity was ever supposed to be. I'm sorry it's become so ridiculous.
[–]its_complicated 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
The main problem with Christianity is these claims about Jesus and God existing and such.. as far as I can tell none of them are proved so there's no reason to believe them to be true instead of some other religion.
[–]polizeit 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago*
thank you so much for posting this.
i emigrated to the states with my family in the 90's from kosovo. i come from muslim heritage, but my family is totally non-religious and we never attended religious service (i'm an atheist, as are most of my family). growing up in the states, i often felt a sense of fear when i hung out with my friends because their parents would always try to take me to church with them and ask me about what religion i follow or my parents.
it was, in some ways, scary and felt so... predatory. it's a feeling i always had a hard time describing--i tell my friends now that it was something like a fear of my friends' parents trying to kidnap me. this is where my resentment towards religion came from, and it so perfectly describes that feeling.
when i look at that little boy in the picture, i just see myself as a child. now have the perfect way to describe that feeling.
[–]msleto27 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Just be thankful that you evolved well enough to understand.
I cant be arsed to read all the bullshit comments of people who try to justify religion. Religion is shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
[–]aGlassofWater 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
welcome to yet another cult
[–]yuanhua 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I don't understand why questioning one's religion yields a 180 degree change. I hear that whenever speaking to atheists that come from Christian homes. I actually felt that this image is arguing against the blindness every Christian must fight in his/her personal life or the ignorance can become generational.
[–]GoodDamon 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
It doesn't always, but when it does, it's because once you start applying critical thinking to religion, religion falls apart.
[–]yuanhua 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Define critical thinking, are you trying to apply a scientific approach to something that is not scientific? In that case your argument is valid. If you debate about Christianity for example under the premises that everything should be taken literally you are doing exactly what the Pharisees did. Religion falls apart because of the person not because of the ideology.
[–]PullOutBoy 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
reminds me of triangle head in silent hill
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 months ago
Pyramid Head ಠ_ಠ
[–]bluephilosopher 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
exactly...
[–]Wahrheit 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Tripods!
[–]JCelsius 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This gives me the willies.
[–]choikwa 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
this image terrifies me
[–]Loki240SX 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I believe this would look wonderful as a spray-can stencil design!
[–]80espiay 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I know that the parallels between this and the movie (and book?) Coraline have already been drawn, but damn do both freak me out in similar ways.
[–]DHumefan 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
What a great picture. I'll share it as well.
[–]atx_1971 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Maybe the father is trying to rescue the boy from the mother's control. Is anyone a proud non-believer of bigfoot and the tooth fairy?
[–]larpas 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Probably cuz it's freaky as fuck.
I generally hate everything in this subreddit but this is awesome. Thanks.
[–]Lurking_Grue 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Just need to replace your eyes with buttons.
[–]patrickrolled 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
im sorry you had religion stuffed down your throat.
[–]Organs 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Now THAT'S a Halloween costume!
[–]Guava10Released 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Thanks for posting that -- it affected me as well, and I've been looking for that picture since. Do you know the source?
[–]DepletionRegion 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
To be honest, I question my religion all the time. I consider it a necessary component to religious growth. To not do so creates what you see in the picture you have attached and the many issues people have with modern religion: A stagnated viewpoint of the world that doesn't allow for any compromise.
As someone else has mentioned, evolution is a sticking point. As an engineer, evolution is a proven fact. It has occurred in humans to a lesser extent but micro-evolution occurs all the time. However, this conflicts (along with other issues) consistently with my religious beliefs and probably will till the day I die.
However, I see it less as a breaking point and more of a chance to grow religiously. In any case, I believe God cares less about the details and more about a person's personal connection to Him.
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Because the issue with evolution isn't even remotely close to a deal breaker. Also, I believe there is a God. After that, almost all other details are a bit insignificant.
[–]reluctantpepperoni 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Johnny Cash.
[–]Post4jesus 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Incredibly awesomely disturbing...
[–]smokingtrees 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I saw this illustration in a text for school a long time ago too. Pretty creepy stuff no doubt. Blind faith is stupid.
[–]radium88 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I’m sincerely sorry that you and your sister had to endure the crap that majority of Christians believe to be what evangelism should be. It pains me to think that a message that is meant to be thought provoking was crammed down your throat, choking the very freedom of thought, which is the essence of the Christian faith, inhibiting you from making your own choice. A relationship with God is meant to be a PERSONAL relationship, that MIGHT be inspired by those around you, not forced upon. It’s important to note that religion and spirituality is two very different trains of thought. Let me encourage you to disregard the nasty taste that religion has left and to seek a truth that speaks to your heart.
[–]DanGleeballs 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
The father is doing something with his hands and it's not a normal way to hold the son's hand.. What does represent?
[–]GotACoolName 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This is highly disturbing.
[–]RubberDuckOfHell 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Um, this is creepy. o_o But the message is pretty clear. Kudos.
There should be someone circumcising him at the same time.
[–]deuce-loosely 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
this image signifies everything about entire families and the passing of stupid beliefs on to the next generation. i can safely say in my bloodline it wont be passed on by me.
this image does illustrate the mentality. i dont think just seeing this image back in the day wouldve pushed me to become an atheist, for me it was simply being around these types of people and witnessing their hypocrisy. not to mention when i first started reading the bible and thought about how insane and illogical it was, yet everyone around me just blindly followed everything in it as if it was truth.
[–]caoimhinoceallaigh 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
That's a very powerful image there.
[–]Ummagumma 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I upvote this picture every time. It's raw power never ceases to floor me.
[–]juicybananas 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
You can replace these bibles with anything parents put on their children even atheism. I think the point here is critical thinking. Not everyone who has a belief is not also a critical thinker. There are things that do not immediately make sense in this world. And not everyone thinks the same way. Get over it.
[–]nubtax 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Is there and artist name? Or site I can find this at? Id love for this to be on my wall.
[–]mammoth_621 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I started using reddit a little after i became an atheist. as in the illustration, i also have very religious parents that are so stubborn in viewing the world and want me to have the same view. But i dont. Thanks to all the other atheist reddit users out there. This website has been odly supportive of my new way of living
[–]mywifeisaninja 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This looks like something straight out of Beetlejuice.
Does anyone know who the artist is?
[–]WasabiD 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This image means so much to me. I believe the reason there are so many people who mindlessly believe in the bible is because they were brainwashed by religious parents as a child, and forced into this belief.
[–]rubiconwall 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
literally gave me chills
[–]minherva 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Bible head crab.
[–]possiblyhysterical 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I'm not justifying indoctrination, but if you genuinely beieve that anyone who doesn't follow Jesus will go to hell then wouldn't it be horrible for you not to push it on your child? They're your responsibility and you believe if they're lead astray then they will suffer for all eternity. That's why I sympathize and see that the problem is not the parents but this whole mindset.
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