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Rape is okay! (i.imgur.com)
submitted 10 months ago by fuckclub
[–]Zosimaa 25 points26 points27 points 10 months ago
Isn't it "You can't covet your neighbor's property?"
A wife or daughter was property back then.
[–]MeloJelo 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
"Covet" means that you should not desire to have their property (human or otherwise) as your own (which would mean marrying a woman), and should just be happy with what you have. If you rape that property though, you're not really stealing her, just vandalizing, I guess . . . ?
[–]ihatecinnamon 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
So a man can ONLY rape his OWN children? What a turn off...
On the other hand, that explain why they insist you call them "father".
[–]probablynotthere 52 points53 points54 points 10 months ago
In the Bible, there are harsher penalties for grabbing someone's dick than there are for rape.
30 pieces of silver is what god values women at... if you're a virgin, of course.
[–]dabodabodabadee 7 points8 points9 points 10 months ago
How much is that converted to dollars?
[–]probablynotthere 31 points32 points33 points 10 months ago
The shekel varied from 9 to 17 grams of silver ($11 to $20 worth in today's prices). Also, it was 50 pieces, not 30.
So $550 to $1000 is what a woman was worth. As a comparison, around the time of the Civil War, a slave would be around $3500, nearly $50,000 today.
So god valued women less than racist US Americans valued blacks.
[–]Rinsaikeru 7 points8 points9 points 10 months ago
Well that's not accounting for inflation necessarily--how much bread/goats or whatever could you buy with that much silver?
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 10 months ago
Let's take all of the inflation out of it and convert our shekels directly into loaves of bread, a trade unit that makes as much sense today as it did then.
According to this, a half-shekel was worth 160 grains, or kernels, of barley in biblical times. This means a full shekel would be worth around 320 kernels. So 50 shekels would net you 16000 kernels; a stunning stockpile of seeds.
A thousand barley kernels seemingly ranges between around 38 and 50 grams. So your 16000 kernels would be, at most, 800 grams of barley, taking up an area of about 70 cm2.
Because barley is/was commonly made into bread, I'm going to convert our barley into flour. Assuming our extraction is perfect, and all parts of the grain are usable (not likely), we will have 800 grams of flour. According to this, 136 grams of flour is roughly equal to 1 cup of flour, a unit commonly used to bake. So our 800 grams gets us almost 6 cups of flour. We'll say 6 to be generous.
This recipe, makes one “small loaf” and calls for 2 cups of barley flour. There are, of course, a few other ingredients we're missing, but I'm not going to guess at how expensive/hard to get they would be. This means our 6 cups of barley flour makes us 3 “small loaves”. It's hard to say how many people this bread would serve. The picture of the recipe is cut into 8 slices, and I have to assume each is of a modest size. The thickness, pre-cooking, is said to be 1 cm, and it is said that it will rise slightly. If we estimate it is now 1 ½ to 2 cm thick (can't tell), then the bread looks to be a circle of about 16 cm to 22 cm across, 1 ½ to 2 cm thick. This doesn't seem like very much bread, but I cannot tell how dense it is.
For comparison, this suggests that the average US small pizza is 10 inches, or 25.4 cm across. This suggests that a small pizza, of that diameter, will feed 1 – 2 people. Our bread is slightly more than half the width, but has none of the filling toppings, so lets assume our bread is a full meal for 1 or 2 modern people. This means all of our bread fills (very generously) 3 to 6 people, as we have 3 of these loves.
So in biblical times, it seems like you could rape the daughter, buy Mom, Pops and Junior some supper, and everyone, including baby Jesus, would be cool with that shit. Plus, you'd get a wife who had to be dutiful to you according to that same bible! Hurrah for everyone (except your new wife)!
TL;DR: Rape the daughter, buy the family dinner.
[–]HFGoliath 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Impressive
[–]RiOrius 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
According to the reasoning over here, it's worth far more than that. For one, apparently elsewhere in the bible people buy slaves for 30 shekels. Also, someone claims that one shekel is worth four Roman denarii, each of which is worth about the equivalent of $20 (according to Wikipedia), making 30 shekels $2400.
But yeah, also 30 shekels is what Judas was paid for betraying Jesus. So presumably it's not peanuts.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I always thought that the Judas story suggested that Judas was really greedy, and loved money, so he sold Jesus for an offensively low sum (which matches with the anti-greed themes of the bible). I thought the paltriness of the sum was supposed to emphasize the depth of the betrayal leading to the subsequent damnation. But you might be right, I haven't been in a church in a while.
[–]ILike4ChanShh 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
What?
[–]Riobe 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This probably isn't accurate or nuanced enough to mean anything, but it made me laugh.
[–]Nougat -2 points-1 points0 points 10 months ago
I'm gonna go those bitches some math. Bitches love math.
[–]Grimjestor -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 months ago
Much more economical today, you only need to buy the daughter dinner before raping her. Izunt modurn timz grate?
[–]Grimjestor 8 points9 points10 points 10 months ago
Yeah, but you have to remember that statistically half of the black slaves were male, and thus intrinsically more valuable.
/yesiamabadperson
[–]probablynotthere 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
Actually, it depends on whether or not the slave owner was planning on raping his slaves. There still is a billion dollar industry focusing on people, mostly female, being sold for rape, either by the owner or by others for the owner's profit.
[–]TheAughtSpectrum 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Yeah, but...god turned into human form and died so we can ignore all the bad things he did to us early on! So it's ok! Right, guys? Guys?
[–]Chunkeeboi -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 months ago
Atheist raised and schooled as a Catholic here. Pretty sure that rape would come under what has been translated as "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
[–]grubas 37 points38 points39 points 10 months ago
Deuteronomy 22:28-29, if you rape a virgin you have to pay her father 50 shekels(seen above to be a startling 550-1000 dollars), put on a ring on it, and it's all kosher. Cause it's not adultery if she's not married or bethrothed.
[–]Monteze 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
So, if you raped it then you gotta put a ring on it?
[–]Grimjestor 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
Nah, just be wealthy enough to have it hushed up by paying off the family. Nothing new here.
[–]Enex 30 points31 points32 points 10 months ago
That's not what adultery means.
[–]Chunkeeboi -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 months ago
Not in the strict sense, no, however the books of the Bible weren't written in English... that commandment is taken by Christians to cover sexual activity in general outside of the missionary position in marriage.
[–]Enex 17 points18 points19 points 10 months ago
That is actually a major problem with Christianity. You see, that's not even close to what the commandment actually means. That was just a convenient area to push an agenda. /sigh.
[–]Chunkeeboi 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Not sure what you mean by that. Again, remember that the books of the Bible were not written in English and quite possibly differ substantially from what they once said, having been translated, retranslated, rewritten, paraphrased etc.
[–]thatzombiepunk 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
So you believe that in the original language of the Bible adultery means rape? Honestly, I think you're pulling that out of your own ass and haven't taken a second out of your day to find a single fact that could possibly lead to that conclusion. Where did you even get this? If you can actually show me that in the Bible's original language, the word for adultery is the same as the word for rape, then you may have a case. But right now your whole stand is just hot air being blown around.
[–]Keldrath -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
do you know what language the bible was first written in?
i already know im just curious if you do.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Probably in Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew.
It is most likely that the original was passed down verbally until being recorded. This is the oldest surviving source that we know of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
[–]Keldrath -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 months ago
it was Greek in fact.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Not the 10 commandments. The old testament was most likely translated to Greek from Hebrew, it's interesting what the original language was or who started the ball rolling, I doubt we will ever know.
[–]degreezero 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
sulumits-retsambew is right. Old Testament in Hebrew, but with a few passages in Aramaic. New Testament mostly in Greek, though it's possible that some of the Greek texts are translations of earlier Hebrew versions.
[–]gadafgadaf 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
i think there is a rule somewhere in the military that you cannot have sex in any other position than the missionary position but its not enforced probably because its unenforceable
[–][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 months ago
I don't know why you are being down voted. I went to Catholic school too and we were taught that the commandments cover other sins that are only really implied. For example, over-eating is a sin under "thou shalt not kill," because you are in a sense killing your body. I clearly remember getting a worksheet with the ten commandments and a bunch of examples under each of other sins that they cover. Whether or not you agree with this practice is irrelevant, it's what they do.
[–]absentbird 11 points12 points13 points 10 months ago
That makes no fucking sense. How could, in any language, the words for murder and self-destruction be so similar as to be translated as such?
It seems like modern religion just appends new meaning to better fit the times. Murder in the modern age is committed by very few people while over-eating, which would have been nearly impossible in biblical times, is an epidemic.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
They never told me it was because of translation, I don't know where Chunkeeboi is getting that explanation from. The second part, however, I totally agree with. I haven't considered myself Catholic since I was 13, I'm not defending any of the shit they do, I'm just saying that this is what they teach, this is what they believe. Don't downvote us for trying to enlighten r/atheism a bit on the other side's view.
[–]absentbird 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I didn't down-vote you or assume you believed it, I was just getting upset at the lack of critical-thought. Not that that is ground breaking, just fun.
One of the fun things about this sub-reddit is being able to poke holes in bad logic without provoking the indignant anger of a stalwart believer.
[–]HertzaHaeon 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Because religion is all about making things up. God always agrees with believers. I've never seen anyone who's like "god hates fags, but me, I love them despite that". No, god thinks the way you do because it's a way to justify opinions and beliefs without rational arguments.
Stretching the meaning of already vague and subjective messages is really quite natural and easy.
[–]absentbird 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Word.
[–]Chunkeeboi -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 months ago
Jayzuz you people make creationists look like intellectual giants.
What do you mean by "...you people..."?
I assume you take issue with the claim that murder rates in 1st world countries has declines while obesity has ballooned? Or do you feel that such basic concepts as self-harm and murder are fundamentally interchangeable?
[–]Chunkeeboi 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
See response above to absentbird.
[–]thatzombiepunk 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Ah yes, I too went to Catholic school.
They were full of shit man. Haha.
[–]Chunkeeboi -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 months ago
I'm being downvoted because some very angry people failed basic reading and comprehension in primary school. Don't upset their little worldview any more...
[–]Trioate 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
You're being downvoted because you're fucking wrong. It says 'commit adultery', and the word in Hebrew is the Hebrew word for 'commit adultery'.
[–]Chunkeeboi -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 months ago
Yeah thanks. Can you now direct me to the original source documents for the Bible? And while you're at it, why don't you call up the local Catholic priest or Baptist minister and ask him what he understands the commandment against adultery to cover. Go on. Enlighten yourself.
[–]jbh1357 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
I tried to call up a few of my local Catholic priests and they were refusing appointments to anyone who wasn't under the age of thirteen and male. The Baptist minister I called was too busy with a Political Science lecture. Which was to be followed by an ethics lecture from a former member of the Nazi party. It was the annual "The fuck is this?" lecture series.
While funny, this is really not helping and only feeding the trolls. NDV
[–]probablynotthere 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
In Catholic interpretation, yes. But not in Old Testament thinking.
[–]Chunkeeboi 3 points4 points5 points 10 months ago
Well the Old Testament is made up of many books and they tend to vary quite a bit in what they claim old Yahweh said and thought about stuff. Most of it is just justification for the same old primtive patriarchal, tribal bullshit that can be found from one end of Christendom to the other end of Islam to this very day.
[–]bosh-head 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Oh, so you see a moral equivalence between consensual per-marital sex and rape. Way to go! You really saved yourself from making us think the Bible doesn't take the crime of rape seriously!
[–]Chunkeeboi -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago*
Erm, what part of "I'm an atheist" don't you get? I'm trying to explain something to you in context, not trying to convert you to Christianity. I don't see any moral equivalence of the kind. But don't let that get in the way of your little rant.
Hmm. Apologies for the "rant", but I stand by my point that saying 'rape' falls under 'adultery' would make per-marital sex the moral equivalent of rape. So it's not much of a defense. The Bible is held up as a timeless moral standard, and yet the vast majority of people, including Christians, wouldn't per-marital sex as anything at all like rape.
Sorry, it's all just too deep and complex for you. Yes, look the Bible was written in English by Americans and found washed up, bound and entire on the shores of the first colony in the new world.
These personal attacks are not contributing to the conversation. At what point did bosh-head imply that the bible was written in English?
My interpretation of their comment was that if the word of adultery is interchangeable with pre-marital sex and rape then the culture that applied that term would have viewed the two as similar enough to be covered by the same word.
This is a linguistic argument, it has nothing to do with the English translations and everything to do with the intent.
[–]Chunkeeboi -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 months ago*
There are ten commandments that each cover a broad area of things considered to be "bad". There are the bad towards God ones about worshipping idols, keeping the sabbath holy, cursing etc, and there are the bad towards your fellow human ones, about lying, hurting, stealing etc. They have been translated into the terms we now use "kill", "adultery", "bear false witness" etc, but do you really think that in Biblical times the Jews thought bestality was ok, or homosexuality, or fucking your sister, or committing suicide, or beating your wife? I doubt it and yet there are no specific commandments telling them not to do these things. I've tried to explain why that is but it seems atheists are not as smart as I thought they were and they believe themselves to be. But here goes again: The commandment that we know TODAY as "thou shalt not commit adulter" covered a whole swathe of "sins" considered to be sexually immoral, so that includes incest, homosexuality, adultery and yes, oh my god, fucking RAPE. Now, just waiting for some idiot who cannot read or comprehend to accuse me of homophobia for pointing that out. Please, fulfill my dream...
[–]absentbird 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago*
Firstly, I don't see why you are being so abrasive to atheists since you claim to be one yourself. I don't really understand your contempt for a community that seems to regard your arguments with respect.
Secondly, when you make a statement and your meaning is not grasped by the recipient it is courteous to assume that you have failed in clarifying your point instead of using brazen insults. Etiquette is very useful in bridging the cultural gaps that can arise on the internet. I live at least 15,000KM from you and that is sure to effect our communication.
Finally, and to the point of the argument, many of the things you pointed out as being crimes in biblical times were, in fact, tolerated to varying degrees.
Bestiality was illegal but was rarely prosecuted for the same reasons as anal sex. Suicide has always been a mortal sin in Abrahamic religions but was not a crime.
EDIT: What makes you think that women were not treated as property in biblical times? Spousal rape has only been illegal in Australia since 1981 why would you think that it was not tolerated 2000 years ago?
[–]10BIT 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
If you want to talk about the original translation, maybe you should research it first. The commandment only covers adultery and adultery has a slightly different meaning than it does today, ie at least one of the participants has to be married to someone else. This means that if neither person is married, or if they are married to eachother, and one does not consent, it would not be classed as adultery, yet would still be rape. Therefore, I can conclude that the ten commandments still allow rape.
[–]fistoroboto 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Uh, no. Not even remotely, if it was just adultery there wouldn't be any provisions for whether the woman cried out or not.
Please read Deuteronomy, Chapter 22, verses 22-29. Also keep in mind that being raised as a Catholic doesn't matter too much, as a major cause for the reformation was the tendency of the Catholic Church to value tradition over scripture.
[–]lingben 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago*
Doesn't at least one of the parties have to be married for it to be considered "adultery"? That's the definition that I understand but maybe you can show that it was not understood this way back then?
EDIT: Seems you are correct. Found this:
"...whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matthew 5:12
[–]Chunkeeboi 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Again, the Bible wasn't written in English and the commandments are broad concepts. You can imagine that 175 commendments probably wouldn't have fitted on two stone tablets small enough for old Moses to carry down the mountain after he... er God had finished chiseling them out.
[–]MeloJelo 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I feel like God could have maybe doubled up the "name in vain" and the "one God" things, and maybe just through in a passage about rape. Or, or . . . he could have gone all the way to 11!
[–]deusnefum 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I was raised and schooled Catholic and taught the same thing, but it's just the church trying to adjust bronze-age lunacy to modern values so it's not as offense to sensible people.
Adultery is sex outside of your marriage. If neither the rapist nor victim are married, it is not adultery, merely fornication in the eyes of the Just and Holy Lord.
[–]captainhaddock 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Old Testament "adultery" was basically an affair with a married woman. Even prostitutes didn't count.
[–]Killroyomega -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 months ago
If you aren't a virgin...
Why are we discussing meatsacks?
I take it you were joking and implying that women who were no longer virgins and were viewed as little more than bodies to Biblical society.
[–]throwaway4643 -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
How much for one that's already broken in?
[–]xiipaoc 29 points30 points31 points 10 months ago
Let's not forget that there aren't only ten commandments in the Bible. The Decalogue is just a quick summary that God himself told Moses with thunder and lightning and whatnot in Exodus 19-20. God says a whole bunch of other shit in the Bible -- Jews count 613 commandments, for example (365 negative ones and 248 positive ones, so you know the count was fudged somewhere).
By the way, there was the concept of a redeemer, a goel, who would vindicate you if you were wronged. This was usually a next of kin. Famously in the Bible, Dinah is raped in Genesis 34 (a good story, by the way), and Judah and Simeon go apeshit and kill everyone after making them circumcise themselves so that they're too much in pain to resist. So rape isn't exactly condoned in the Bible. The word used for "rape" is "time", from a root meaning "impure"; the action of Shechem is translated as "lay with her by force", but I don't understand the Hebrew "vayishkav otah vay'aneha"; the first two words are "lay with her" and I think the third word has the root "ani", meaning "afflicted". Anyway, yeah, rape is not condoned in the Bible.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
I would just like to point out here -- if you have enough control over people to force themselves to cut their own dick skin off, they probably aren't going to resist you while you are stabbing them.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago*
In this context vay'aneha means subjugated/humiliated
source
Edit, it could also mean "made her scream" - not necessarily in a negative way.
[–]Aemina 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Why do people post image macros instead of videos?
[–]erisdiscordia 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
While I can't speak for others, I'll note that I personally will read an image macro, but won't watch a video. Macros get my eyeballs and videos just get skipped. (Either I don't have my headphones on and don't want to fish for them, or something compelling has my ears; random Reddit links usually can't compete.)
[–]leorolim 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Because my boss blocked youtube, that's why!
[–]sugaraped 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I'm either browsing reddit at work (no sound) or on my phone (no flash / video). But image macros always work for me.
[–]Aemina 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I'm an unemployed student with no smartphone who works when he goes to class and has a full stereo system on his home computer.
Different worlds.
-"What are your specialities?
-"Rape, murder, arson, and rape"
-"You said rape twice"
-"I like rape!"
[–]Trobs 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Holy fuck, this made the front page again?
[–]SchrodingerE 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
NO adultery or coveting neigbor's wife?
[–]ihatecinnamon 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
-Can I rape my wife, then?
-If I'm single (no adultery) and the girl is single (not a neighbor's wife), can I rape her?
[–]SchrodingerE 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
first of all why are you into rapping anyone? second, I'm not actually a Christian or anything, not even religious in any way... but I must say that the main premise of "rape" related crimes is addressed in the 10 commandments. Obviously there were volumes written after that initial teaser trailer expanding on what you can and cannot do. I don't agree with most of it... but you gotta agree that 'God' did address the main problem in the 'important rules' section.
[–]trulyinteresting 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Just a reminder - The actual ten commandments - note youtube vid
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Nice video. The first 2 minutes or so are wadsworth, but I learned something after that.
[–]trulyinteresting 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
wtf is wadsworth?
That meme was born here on reddit: http://i.imgur.com/yxfpC.png http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-wadsworth-constant
It's now implemented across YouTube. Add &wadsworth=1 to any YouTube URL to jump 30% into the content.
cool. Thank you. I was hoping it wasn't going to be an updog sort of thing.
[–]Liese_lotte 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Yeah, I never got why it's a problem to say God's name "in vain". Does he have a beeper that sounds every time anyone says "God", so maybe you should just say it when it's important, since he may be in the middle of something? WTF?
[–]Godssheep 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Yes he has a beeper, and it's fooled by the use of hyphen!
"God" : Damnation.
"G-d" : Clever loophole, that can even fool the creator of the universe.
[–]Liese_lotte 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
You, Godssheep, made me smile. Not to mention you also solved the mystery of God G-d's beeper. Thanks!
[–]zippydoodle -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
It is sorta like that... In ancient times, people believed if you knew the name of a god, you could control that god. So the idea of not saying God's name in vain is a prohibition against using God's name to try and make God give you what you want. Basically, it's a commandment against praying for selfish things (like winning the lottery, getting the job you just interviewed for, or passing a mid term you didn't study for).
[–]throwaway4643 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Isn't it more against people excusing their own behaviour or getting other people to do what they want by falsely claiming that 'god said so'?
[–]wogmafia 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
that is exactly what it means, people always misinterpret the third commandment. It is against the religion to claim you know the will of god and all those religious nutjobs are breaking this commandment every day.
But as always there is an out, just claim you had a revelation and were spoken to via jesus/angel or whatever and then people can no longer tell if you are a prophet or a mentally ill person walking down the street yelling the end is near.
[–]Liese_lotte 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
OK, I get it, but what bothers me is the fact that it is up there on the same level as "Thou shall not kill" and that seems a bit over the top, doesn't it?
[–]Lawtonfogle 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
To understand the Hebrew view on rape, you have to understand it was pretty much assumed you were going to be married, young. Virgins in the bible refers to preteens and below, and even the word translated as 'rape' in the NIV in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, is not the same word as used earlier in the chapter where rape of a man's wife was punished by death. It is better to see this as consensual or coerced sex with a virgin, which as I said, means a preteen or younger.
So the standard idea of rape was punished by death and was part of the ten commandments of not being jealous of another man's wife (they didn't understand back then that rape if often about power, not sex). So to be honest, the Bible wasn't really all that accepting of rape... unless it was statutory rape, in which case you had to marry the child. Which is pretty much like how some laws are even today in the US (to be exact statutory rape is illegal regardless if one marries the victim, but it far less likely to be prosecuted if they marry and have lighter sentences).
[–]throwaway4643 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
TIL in some states in the US you can legally be married at 14, have sex and drive a car at 16, join the army at 17, but you'll have to wait to 21 to drink.
[–]Lawtonfogle 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Where I live, if the girl is pregnant, she can marry at any age. Considering the younger girl known to be pregnant was 4...
And people here think Muslims are evil for allowing 12 year olds to marry. At least they have had a chance to learn to READ AND WRITE FIRST.
[–]alien_signals 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
i'm gonna ask for evidence for this 4yr old pregnancy. because my bullshit detector is on fire, seeing as the necessary structures to produce pregnancy do not develop until around 8-12 at the earliest.
[–]razorbackgeek 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Rape is such a harsh word. I prefer surprise sex.
[–]beatlebabe11 5 points6 points7 points 10 months ago
My religious and political beliefs are / is Louie CK.
[–]Grain_of_Salt_ 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Actually if you raped/seduced a virgin the only penalty is that you had to marry her. At least this was the practice in some sects.
[–]bernadette_agnes 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
This is so flawed. Thou shall not commit adultery. Rape is a form of adultery. Sex with anyone other than your spouse is adultery.
[–]TheKyleBaxter 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
So it's OK to rape your spouse?
[–]bernadette_agnes 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
No, it's not. But in the context of this particular joke, he is really reaching.
[–]TheKyleBaxter 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I 100% agree. That's an awful big reach, but even still, there's an obvious hole in his logic.
[–]offensive_litter 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
This is so flawed. Rape is not a form of adultery. Rape is a terrible thing and shame on you for defining it as anything other than forced, nonconsensual sex.
I am speaking strictly in the context of a joke that refers to the Ten Commandments. He is suggesting that the Ten Commandments do not cover rape. He is suggesting that rape is considered ok under the Ten Commandments. Shame on you for putting words in my mouth.
[–]offensive_litter 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
The Ten Commandments do NOT cover rape, it is NOT adultery. I can not believe you have the ability to throw the shame back on me.
I am defending victims of rape. You are defending a fantasy book which you pick and choose what is real and what is make believe. And here we see why it is so dangerous to blindly follow... makes you make comments like adultery is rape.
I did not put words in your mouth. You said them and I corrected you. And I will again and again and again until we get it right. Love and peace my friend.
It is not any of your business which books I do or do not follow, blindly or not. You should be ashamed of yourself. Do some research. If you are going to rail against believers, one of which I may or may not be, you should understand what they think. For thousands of years the Ten Commandments have been studied from a theological perspective. I have a degree in theology, which STILL does not mean I am necessarily religious. I was making a statement from the perspective of someone who has studied the way the the Church breaks down the meaning of each commandment. From a theological (not emotional, as in wah wah rape victims wah wah) perspective, rape is a form of adultery. Two unmarried people who have sex are adulterers. Two people who have sex when one is married and one is not are adulterers. Two people who have sex who are married but not to each other are adulterers. A rapist is an adulterer. A rape victim has been forced against their will to be an adulterer. Are they implicitly forgiven and not at fault? Yes. Again, I am simply making a statement regarding a theological perspective on how the church views the commandment Thou shall not commit adultery. So, yes, still shame on you for coming at this discussion with a purely emotional point of view. You will never get anywhere in discussions with believers or non believers if you can't speak about these things while disregarding pure gut reaction emotions.
you both really want each other to be ashamed. and maybe you both should be.
[–]aheroafaked 4 points5 points6 points 10 months ago
Actually this is somewhat false.
Though usually understood to prohibit the unauthorized taking of private property, this commandment is sometimes interpreted to apply more narrowly to the “stealing” of a person (kidnapping) or “stealing” of sex (rape).
[–]PlusSixtoReason 13 points14 points15 points 10 months ago
Sorry, I don't subscribe to any make up interpretations of the bible just so that it can align with secular moral advancements.
[–]tnova 15 points16 points17 points 10 months ago
That's kind of a stretch if you ask me.
[–]kbilly 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Oh. So it's ok to steal then. Because that's not what it was talking about in the first place.
Got it.
[–]Godssheep 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
What a great guy that God!
Talk about rape? Don't mention rape!
Talk about astronomy? Call the Earth 'oval'
Talk about human rights? For all except slaves and woman.
What a great source of knowledge!
[–]PeteOK -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 months ago
It seems to me that rape would also fall under the category of adultery.
[–]chuckknucka 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Rapists need not be married.
[–]protocos -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 months ago
I heard this somewhere. Simply put, the idea is stealing is the all encompassing crime. You nab a wallet, you steal someone's right to spend the money they earned. You kill a father, you are stealing the child's right to a dad and a mother's right to a husband. You rape a woman, you steal her right to her own body. So not only could this be covered by 7 & possibly 10, but 8 as well.
[–]sesse 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
In that case, please stop stealing children's right to a secular education in public schools.
anyone got the clip for the lazy?
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[–]WholeFoodIsCorporate 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
Oh great. Now there's thought crime and the condemnation of natural human desire all in one passage. How Orwellian of him.
[–]Christoll 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Adultery. This is comedy people. Laugh but dont bother discussing its deepest meanings.
Psh I already knew that. Moment I realized there was no god I was rapin' everyone in sight!
[–]MonkeyFightingSnake 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
You don't have to come and confess, we lookin' for you!
[–]mcoree 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
For the record,i think it might (?) Fall under "thou shall not commit adultery", but I honestly don't know
[–]Cubbance 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Man, I love Louis CK so much.
[–]thoumyvision 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
Actually, rape is covered under adultery, which is in the 10 Commandments. Adultery in this case is meant as any sexual act outside the context of a loving relationship between a man and his wife.
[–]Dysalot 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
It's a funny comment, but I can't bring myself to up-vote a title stating "rape is okay!"
Does anyone have a link to this actual video?
[–]atreyucof 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
repost.
[–]mechadamuramu 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
This is why /r/atheism is growing so fast.
[–]UNSUB_FROM_PICS -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
Hm. I'd actually assume that rape would be filed under the seventh commandment, Thou shalt not commit adultery, under most circumstances.
[–]mtman900 10 points11 points12 points 10 months ago
Under Jesus's broad description, yes.
Thankfully, you can still rape your wife and not run afoul of any of the original 10. Just make sure you don't say the big guy's name while you're doing it.
[–]fuckclub[S] 11 points12 points13 points 10 months ago
Adultery (Noun): Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse.
I kind of doubt that a provision outlawing voluntary extramarital sex implicitly allows involuntary extramarital sex.
[–]Fellows23 10 points11 points12 points 10 months ago
Guess again.
Scumbag God : Knows everything, but only say things open to interpretation.
[–]Shampyon -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
If we assume this is true, it still doesn't cover marital rape.
Back in the days of the bible, marriage equaled irrevocable consent to sex (and abuse). It still does in parts of the world.
Marital rape was a contradictio in terminis.
[–]probablynotthere 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
Under some circumstances.
If you recall, another area of the Bible recommends the punishment for raping a virgin was paying her father money and marrying her without option of divorce. Also, it would be fine to rape your spouse.
In reality, it's only protecting man's property rights.
So basically, the god mirrors the men at the time. Carl Sagan, you are a genius.
LOL
Yep. God was made in man's image- a homophobic, petty, sexist, and violent ethnic supremacist.
[–]Tw9caboose -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
GOD I fucking love Louis C K
[–]nopantstoday -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
Well done sarcasm
[–]WayneQuasar -1 points0 points1 point 10 months ago
I'm willing to take downvotes for this, but for some reason, at first glance, I thought this was George Carlin. Maybe because of the Atheist nature of the joke...either way, Louis CK and Carlin are my top 2 comedians, so I s'pose it all works out.
[–]dr0pi -2 points-1 points0 points 10 months ago
Maybe forcefully having sex with a women didn't come across his mind when he thought them up. The commandments were created to cause people to not be obnoxious jerks, roll with that.
[–]blaise8012 -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 months ago
WTF? i'm new on reddit and i'm getting shit on for how i write fucking comments. my type is too bold?....eat my shit! what am i missing here?
[–]temujin1234 -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 months ago
I think that commandment is against perjury, not swearing.
[–]protocos -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 months ago
sigh It's covered under numbers 7 and 10. Anyone with a quick google search could have found that.
The point was that it is not one of the 10 commandments, which are the big 10 "no-nos" in Christianity. So sigh yourself...
[–]ITSxDARE -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 months ago
So much sound logic on r/atheism. Cause every christian believes everything in the bible is what we should do.
[–]Nard_Dawg 2 points3 points4 points 10 months ago
How is it not sound logic to expect that when somebody believes a book is the word of God and His eternal truth that they would follow it completely?
[–]americanhorror 1 point2 points3 points 10 months ago
how do christians pick and choose what to take and what not to take from their holy text?
[–]ITSxDARE 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
cause it's not necessarily a belief in everything considering different chapters are written differently, but rather faith that's more important.
[–]mambypambyland 0 points1 point2 points 10 months ago
I knew Christians were pretty ignorant, but now they're even ignorant to their own Bible? That's pretty bad.
Yeah, let's insult /r/atheism because they don't know that most Christians don't follow shit in the Bible.
Oh wait... we know already : It's a useless book.
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