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[–]aussie_bob 747 points748 points ago

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I wish I'd seen this yesterday.

[–]youre_on_a_list_now 332 points333 points ago

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ಠ_ಠ

[–]devophill 1 point2 points ago

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[–]cdigioia 59 points60 points ago

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Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life!

Make this upcoming Wednesday a no-rape day Aussie_Bob, you can do it! ; )

[–]aussie_bob 35 points36 points ago

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I'll report back Thursday.

I know all the other Aussie men here will be rooting for me!

[–]ninsei 30 points31 points ago

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we're all rooting for you not to root, without express permission!

[–]Aestheticon67 1 point2 points ago

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I get this because I also speak Australian

[–]Miglin 1 point2 points ago

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I think the women are probably more hopeful of your success!

[–]Ghost_of_Ed_McMahon 158 points159 points ago

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HIYOOOOOO

[–]PartyPenguin 20 points21 points ago

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I keep forgetting not do break rule #10. It is so complicated

[–]beardpuller 1 point2 points ago

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You didn't know, it's fine!

[–]Iarwain_ben_Adar 84 points85 points ago

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OK, no raping....that leaves raiding, killing, and pillaging. Those should keep us plenty busy.

[–]IMasturbateToMyself 22 points23 points ago

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Don't forget eating babies.

[–]Entymologist 11 points12 points ago

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And rape! How could you forget the rape?

[–]presertim 2 points3 points ago

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What a modest proposition.

[–]Neurorob12 7 points8 points ago

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It leaves us every gerund out there really.

[–]admiral_snugglebutt 1 point2 points ago

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Upvote for exemplary use of the word gerund.

[–]Mammoth_Jones 149 points150 points ago

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I'd just like to clarify something. (Please at least read it before down-voting me) I never considered it "victim blaming". I mean, no fucking shit...such a crime is ONLY the fault of the monster that would do something like that. But honestly...I told my little sister to avoid certain things as she went to college. I wasn't like "if you do this, you'll get assaulted and you'll only have YOURSELF to blame!" It really wasn't that. I was just letting her know that there ARE wolves around that will prey on trust and opportunity. I don't consider that victim blaming. Now, if you hear about an assault and say "Well, they shouldn't have been there" then yes, that's absolutely victim blaming and should NEVER be done. But I don't think it's morally wrong to say, "You're more likely to get assaulted if you're alone at a house party and get so drunk until the point of passing out upstairs in a bedroom alone." Now, if that occurs and I say "you shouldn't have done that" then that is victim blaming and is absolute douchebaggery at its finest. But a person should always be aware of the context of whatever situation they find themselves in.

But being knowledgeable about the risks associated with certain behaviors and activities isn't victim blaming, it's common sense. If my dad tells me not to walk down a known shady street at 1am on a Saturday on my iPhone that's not preemptive victim blaming. If I do walk down that street and get assaulted and beat up and my gear stolen and he then yells at me "well you shouldn't have been there!" then yes, that's victim blaming. There's a difference.

I gave my sister a heads up because I've always watched her back and she mine. I don't tell her the way things should be, I tell her the way they are. And while those types of assaults can occur anywhere to any gender, there's a greater likelihood of it occurring in certain situations to certain genders that I don't believe should be ignored. Knowledge is power.

I think the notion to stop victim blaming is admirable and comes from a good place in peoples hearts. But I think political correctness is trumping common sense just a bit. I say that with all the love and respect in the world to ya'll. Peace.

[–]shatterly 35 points36 points ago

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I read it, and you got my upvote. In a thread that has increasingly made me want to start screaming and throwing things, this was sensible and well said.

I know when to be careful. I know how to be careful. I am smart about my surroundings and how I carry myself within them. This is useful knowledge that can help keep people safe. Unfortunately, all of this has not prevented me from being raped, and that is not my fucking fault, it is the fault of the asshole who did it.

[–]Erinjb 19 points20 points ago

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Honestly, the only part of that I have a problem with is the part where it sets your sister up to expect that only "bad men" will assault her.

Many people don't make a line between victim blaming and what is going on in that picture--an attempt to put the responsibility of an assault on the rapist.

[–]BenOfTomorrow 2 points3 points ago

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Only bad men would assault her. But sometimes who the bad people are isn't obvious.

[–]_severin 39 points40 points ago

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I get where you're coming from, but when I was out dancing last week, a friend of a friend tried to put the moves on and when I politely said "no no, that's not what's happening here", he said, very matter-of-factly, "Well you can't dance like that if you don't want to do anything about it." Oh cheers, thanks for clarifying that, yeah! You're right, I'm totally dancing to service your needs, mmhmm that's exactly what women are made for. I suppose I'd better stop dancing now, otherwise you'll be forced to rape me, since that's the only logical result of me dancing!

People who are threatening are one thing, they know what they're doing and they mean to be a menace. People who see nothing wrong with how they think are a whole other kettle of fish.

[–]StabbyPants 7 points8 points ago

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"Well you can't dance like that if you don't want to do anything about it."

In the places I go, that'd get a private conversation with one of the larger organizers, and a repeat would result in a ban.

[–]Sothisisme 1 point2 points ago

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I'm not sure if guys realize this or not, but alot of women are raised knowing not to walk down dark alleys etc. I mean, we see it in the media and are often aware that we shouldn't walk alone at night because we might get raped. While this isn't necessarily victim blaming, it is a clear message of things you can do to avoid getting hurt. The flip side is that this unintentional creates the idea that if you do get hurt, you have failed. Sometimes you can't help but walk alone at night, sometimes you have to cross a shady parking lot.
With the clear message of things I can do to prevent rape, I have never similarly gotten a clear message (like this link) that its the guys fault. I am 26 years old and this is the first time that I've been like "woah, there are things guys can do not to rape". I know this sounds ridiculous, but its true, we don't get the message that its the rapists fault (probably because its obvious so why would you say it)

[–][deleted] 161 points162 points ago

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Just to pre-empt the growing shitstorm in here, may I remind reddit once again that many rapists do not even think of themselves as rapists?

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/

There were men surveyed who ADMITTED to raping women as long as the word 'rape' was not used. And they all raped people they knew. This is why men need to be told not to rape. This is why most of these 'tips' are bullshit, because acquaintance rape is the most common.

[–]EltonJuan 39 points40 points ago

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Unfortunately, the people that are capable of acquaintance rape will never connect the dots. I know people like this. We discuss the matter without ever using the word rape, and I essentially get them to say, "Yes, I see nothing wrong with doing that to someone I want to sleep with," and I think, "Wow, I know people capable of rape. Female ones to boot."

[–]v0rtex1 15 points16 points ago

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That's where something like the posted document could have a real effect. As part of sex education, something that clearly outlines that it is "rape-rape" to force yourself on an intoxicated acquaintance may help define boundaries for people who have not acquired them naturally.

[–]thedevguy 2 points3 points ago

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That's a fascinating study. Thanks for sharing. But I wonder if that's really what the poster actually addressing this. The first item on the poster says, "don't put drugs in women's drinks" - do you think that even these men would believe that drugging a person is morally okay?

Because I don't. I actually wouldn't have a problem with the poster if took the questions from the survey you linked to. But instead, the poster contains ridiculous statements that even the morons caught in that study know are wrong.

[–]utterdamnnonsense 1 point2 points ago

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do you think that even these men would believe that drugging a person is morally okay?

Having spoken to someone who regularly drugged women for the purpose of sex, he seemed to think it was morally okay. His rationale was that the drug made the women "enjoy" the sex, and therefore doing it without their knowledge wasn't harmful.

"Oh, so it's the good kind of date rape?" I asked sarcastically. "Yeah." he said.

[–]spiesvsmercs 9 points10 points ago

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There was a survey/test given to people which described rape, but didn't use the word rape, and the test asked if the woman liked it.

While a large number of men said the woman liked it (about 70% or 50%), a large number of women ALSO said the woman liked it (about 50% or 30%.)

It was given in the 80s and described a man forcing himself on a woman while they were in a car.

[–]jdac 1 point2 points ago

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The point isn't to deter rapists. The point is to turn the rhetoric we feed to potential victims on its head.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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If you'll look below, you'll see that I do understand the satire and my comment is addressed to the other commenters in the thread.

[–]c_is_4_cookie 130 points131 points ago

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Tip #1 should be: Don't rape anyone.

Mission fucking accomplished.

[–]FlamingBlaze 135 points136 points ago

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"Mission fucking accomplished." -figuratively speaking

[–]DanielKlavitz 15 points16 points ago

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Perhaps we should rename it "Mission Consentual Fucking" for clarity.

[–]J0kester 28 points29 points ago

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Mission fucking accomplished.

Yes, but did 'accomplished' consent?

[–]Lailoken 7 points8 points ago

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Yeah, that was #10...so?

[–]Bedeone 1 point2 points ago

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We could have saved 9 other bullet points and put that one first.

[–]Lailoken 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, but then it wouldn't be a top ten. Carlin once proved that you can consolidate the 10 commandments, but then they wouldn't have gone viral.

[–]Zhyl 5 points6 points ago

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When you put it like that, it seems so simple.

[–]Finkster 2 points3 points ago

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What was I thinking all these years!

[–]modestmajesty 1 point2 points ago

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because i'm sure rapist's never heard that they shouldn't rape. How very insightful.

[–]colonelcavecat 14 points15 points ago

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Yet everyone forgets #7...

[–]EltonJuan 5 points6 points ago

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I'm sure it shows up on this list a number of times.

[–]yakk372 1 point2 points ago

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Pretty comprehensive, that list.

[–]frigginwizard 1 point2 points ago

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Number 7 isnt always true.
To quote my girlfriend "Do whatever you want, just dont wake me up."

[–]CherylNotCarol 212 points213 points ago

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I'm not sure why this is posted in r/funny. The whole point is that this mocks the "preventative" tips given to women (don't walk alone at night, carry a whistle, watch your drink, etc.), as if women are the ones who can stop rape from happening to them. Men (and women) can only stop themselves from raping - not from being raped.

[–]Bedeone 184 points185 points ago

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It's posted in r/funny because this poster is satirical. Satire and truth are not mutually exclusive.

I think we should all be glad there is no "[fixed]" anywhere in the submission.

[–]wobblywombat 38 points39 points ago

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Well said, satire without a core of truth is just slander.

[–]Cacafuego 7 points8 points ago

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Very quotable. I'll use that.

[–]Bedeone 2 points3 points ago

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I didn't even think of it that way when I posted that, marvelous.

[–]denemigen 1 point2 points ago

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Adam Slander dislikes.

[–]MikeOfAllPeople 33 points34 points ago

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Most of those tips are good ideas for both men and women to prevent many kinds of crimes. Everyone should watch their drinks at the bar, avoid secluded areas alone at night, etc. I'm not going to stop locking my car just because I shouldn't have to.

[–]mmmmmkay 12 points13 points ago

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I'm surprised they didn't mention the sexy clothes thing. That and "you shouldn't have drank so much that you passed out" are the biggest sources of blame that I think a lot of rape victims are hit with.

[–]kneeopotamus 34 points35 points ago

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I see where you're coming from, but my first impression (and presumably the OP's as well) was that it was more mocking of rapists. The tone doesn't seem, to me, to be trivializing efforts to educate women about rape as much as it does the ridiculousness of defending rapists on any grounds such as "Well then why does she dress like that?" But, again, I see the parallels to the tips you reference, so maybe I'm just not sensitive to that particular interpretation.

[–]whatwouldscoobydo 39 points40 points ago

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I agree with you. Being a victim of assault myself, the poster is both being serious and mocking of rapists- or, perhaps it's also mocking perceived levels of self-control in men. I think the issue should be taken seriously, but I think the poster is pointing out an obvious fact: you (men, mostly, in this instance) should have the ability self control. I think it does emphasize the ridiculousness of defending rapists and blaming the victim, which is a good thing. The only thing I'd want to change about it, I guess, is this: if they're going to make this poster for this reason, they should include other things besides the stereotypical rape scenario (woman in alley, getting attacked on the street, etc). It's much less likely for women to get raped in the street than by a partner, or close friend. Pressuring a woman, nagging her to have sex, or backing her into a corner until she says yes, is rape as well. An "ok" after several "no" or "take me home"s is not a "yes". If it's not a "hell yes!" then you probably shouldn't do it, you know? Sex should be fun for everyone.

Sorry for the rant. Just thought I'd add in my 2 cents :P

[–]sveccha 11 points12 points ago

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I think an even deeper issue here is that our society creates and sustains narratives in which the idea of rape is given shape, and where women are seen as objects of that category of action. It creates a sort of subconscious acceptability of the action's existence which is basically unnecessary. Some would argue that it is a natural or biological drive with a pathological execution but I feel personally that it is an artifact of imperial culture and I totally agree with the sentiment of the poster.

[–]CherylNotCarol 9 points10 points ago

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Agreed. It happened to me in my dorm room with someone I thought was a friend.

[–]whatwouldscoobydo 2 points3 points ago

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Happend to me with my best friend, at an apartment he shared with a bunch of our other friends. :/

[–]newloaf 1 point2 points ago

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Insightful! I was thinking the same thing.

[–]morsmorde 2 points3 points ago

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This should be higher up in the thread.

[–]Afirejar 65 points66 points ago

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as if women are the ones who can stop rape from happening to them.

So this is what it has come to? Have we come to the point where we're so afraid of being seen as "blaming the victim" that we outright reject even the possibility of risk-reduction?

[–]adlibitum 178 points179 points ago

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Risk-reduction strategies are remarkably ineffective at preventing rape in 90% of cases.

Why? Because 90% of the time, it's not that you were walking home alone in a dark alley and some evil Rapist jumped out of the bushes and threw you on the pavement. 90% of the time, it's someone you know, someone you already had a relationship with. The victim is making completely normal decisions--decisions like "spend time with drunk people" or, even, "drink", or maybe "invite man up into apartment after date without planning on having sex with him", or "agree to visit ex because she begged you to come back", or, the most dangerous, "be alone with someone, ever". Are those all totally brilliant decisions? No, but they are completely and totally normal. This is not like driving, where "defensive driving" can be applied in all cases. "Defensive living" doesn't work, and isn't a reasonable demand to place on people just because they are female. What advice could you give, anyway--"women should be more picky about the men they spend time with"? That just promotes the image that all men are potential rapists, which in no way adds to the discourse on gender equality.

The fact is that risk-reduction strategies dominate the discourse about rape. No amount of self-defense classes will make women comfortable with punching their boyfriend in the face as he shushes her and says "It's okay, just trust me". No volume of rape whistle will be effective if a woman's drink has been spiked.

Rape is not universally a violent crime committed in back alleyways by universally horrible people upon the innocent but careless, and a discourse that primarily focuses on how to minimize the small percentage of crimes that are committed in that way is just a way of making the topic more comfortable. We can handle violent, stranger rape--there's a really clear bad guy and good guy. Intimate partner rape, though, that's emotionally complicated, and there's no good way to stop it without a massive social shift, probably in multiple areas. But it's also a lot more common than stranger rape, and, honestly, that's the issue that most needs to be addressed.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points ago

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The fucked up thing is, on a purely statistical basis a woman is more at risk from the guy that insists on walking her home than from walking home alone.

[–]18thcenturyPolecat 23 points24 points ago

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I would like to put this out as confirmation of both giskard1's and adlibitum's well well though out replies: When I was raped it was not a big spooky scenario where I should have brought a whistle. Where I was drunk, or wearing a skirt, or alone at night on an unfamiliar city street.

My ex-boyfriend called me up at around 1pm and asked me to walk down the street and help him get his dog back in the house, because he needed to go to work and he had run off leash.

That was it. That was the whole set up, and pretense, and package of warning signs. I'm not going to stop helping intimate friends, in suburban neighborhoods, on Thursday afternoons. I have no idea what I would recommend to prevent situations like that. I'm totally fine, but I know many women who would develop permanent emotionally scars from that kind of situation, and I don't know that even a 'massive social shift' would change the 'appeal' of rape to the specific unbalanced people who perpetrate it.

[–]Afirejar 15 points16 points ago

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Demonstrated ineffectiveness is an argument I can get behind. If it doesn't work it doesn't work and there's no point in doing it.

[–]CherylNotCarol 7 points8 points ago

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Thank you for such an insightful, sensible, and articulate response. Wish I could upvote you to infinity.

[–]thegreysquirrel 49 points50 points ago*

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Not all rape cases are against women who were dressed like whores. Most rape occurs in situations and against women away from the typical drunk slapper stereotype. I think it is therefore unfair to expect women to CONSTANTLY be on their guard just in case I wanna whip my dick out. There's enough campaigns and information for risk reduction so this one is obviously trying to stand out.

Think of it like smoking. Is it the cigarettes fault or the smokers fault? I can walk past a pack of cigs and not have to smoke one; don't blame the cigs just because you can't.

[–]grandom 22 points23 points ago

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Not to mention that the "lone woman walking in a dark alleyway" type of rape is a small percentage of the sexual assault cases. In fact, two thirds of the reported cases are committed by someone known to the victim and 38% by a friend or close acquaintance. Preventative measures are well and all, but carelessness on the victim's part is just a tiny part of the problem.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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To answer your question: Yes.

There is still a dogma, which has faded to a much larger degree with other forms of criminality, where looking at the circumstances around the existence of the perpetrator and, especially, the victim, is considered secondary if not outright harmful.

The principle of maintaining the picture of a 'pure' victim and evil rapist at all costs really affects the investigative work and Police resource allocation in my area. The statistics are there, they must just never be used in any way.

[–]ittybittbitt 2 points3 points ago

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No statistics to cite at the moment, but based on the comments about being safe and avoiding "rapeable moments" it appears that the posters message was too subtle for some but also the understanding is that a woman can control her rape odds by modifying her behavior and choices. Never mind that many rapes are perpetrated by persons known to them, be they school mates, colleagues, spouses, etc. It's not always the stranger in a dark alley..

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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The problem is that people actually think, say, telling women not to dress provocatively is actually effective risk-reduction, when there's no convincing evidence for that at all. The public is misinformed, so anything that helps shift attitudes is to be encouraged.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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THIS THIS THIS THIS!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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Rape, mugging, murder, and all of that have always existed, still exist, and will probably always will exist.

It sucks that we don't live in a society where everyone is peaceful, but that's the way it is.

And while something like that could potentially happen to anyone anywhere, we can do things to help defend ourselves, lower the chances of it happening or just prevent it.

It just seems extremely stupid to me to leave your house or car unlocked or walk in an alley you know is dangerous at a bad time because that would be your behavior if you lived in a completely peaceful environment; because you don't.

[–]poopyfinger 1 point2 points ago

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.38 pistol, or any gun, will do an excellent job of stopping someone from being raped.

[–]TreesOfGreen 49 points50 points ago

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Do people really think that every man would become a rapist if only given the opportunity?

[–]Snatland 8 points9 points ago

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No, they don't. But the sad thing is that all the 'preventative measures' advice tends to shift you into that sort of mindset. The more you are told not to leave your drink unattended, not to be alone with a strange man, not to walk in dark alleys, the more you have a tendancy to think that every strange man you see as a potential rapist.

That's why a guy innocently hitting on you in a club can feel mildly threatening, why girls tend to go to the toilet in packs and that kind of thing.

Then you realise that most rapists are known by their victims and that all this fear of strangers probably has extremely limited effectiveness at best.

[–]Syntaximus 2 points3 points ago

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It's seeming more and more like it. I absolutely detest hearing about rape in the context that it is not committed by a rapist, but by the male community in general. As if we're all somehow responsible for a rapist's actions. A RAPIST committed a rape. Blame the RAPIST, not me. Blaming rape on male culture is like blaming murder on video games and violent movies.

[–]kragshot 2 points3 points ago

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Yes they do. Look up Susan Brownmiller and see what she has to say about men and rape.

Feminists who follow the Brownmillerian school of thought feel that all men will rape given the opportunity and a reasonable chance of getting away with it.

[–]trogladora 20 points21 points ago

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no, not at all. but it's kind of disconcerting that 75% or more rapists know their victims in some capacity beforehand. don't you think?

[–]dog_in_the_vent 52 points53 points ago

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No that just makes sense. I'll bet the numbers are similar for murderers too.

Just because 75% of rapists know their victim, doesn't mean 75% of the people you know are going to rape you.

[–]TheBatmanToMyBruce 2 points3 points ago

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The numbers for murder are the same or higher. I remember looking this up a couple of years ago - statistically speaking, the most likely way you're going to be murdered is by a friend, family member, or acquaintance, with a blunt instrument. It came up in an argument about gun control.

[–]NickRausch 9 points10 points ago

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75% of rapists are in the same prison as their victim, so it makes sense they know the guy.

[–]trogladora 15 points16 points ago

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the statistics on prison rape are extremely fucked up. peoples attitudes towards it even more so. like people in prison are 'othered' to such an extent its sickening-- you cease to be a human being once you commit a crime, did you know that? i still cant believe they're using solitary confinement as a punishment when its been proven torture. or that capital punishment is still going on with how many DNA exonerations there have been.

[–]loonybean 5 points6 points ago

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I think it's kind of disconcerting that 75% of all people abuse statistics to make a point.

[–]hacksoncode 16 points17 points ago

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Not really. All people in all situations have a strong statistical tendency to interact with people that they know.

This is a bit like the old saw that most accidents occur within 5 miles of your home, or at less than 35 mph. Well, yeah, most people spend most of their time in those 2 conditions.

This is no more a disturbing statistic than noting that people tend to accidentally get wet most often when its raining.

What's disturbing is the overall prevalence of rape (of both sexes).

[–]trogladora 10 points11 points ago

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i find the propagation of the myth that most rape is stranger rape disturbing and harmful.

[–]trogladora 2 points3 points ago

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its disturbing that the opposite is what is recognized and discussed.

[–]xyroclast 5 points6 points ago

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Most murderers know their victims too. What's your point? Has "Don't murder" stopped the problem, over the millennia of human existence?

[–]thelordpsy 1 point2 points ago

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Personally I think it's kind of disconcerting that 60-80% of male sex offenders were sexually abused by women during their childhood.

[–]shoziku 8 points9 points ago

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ooh, I get it. DON'T rape. I think I can do this.

[–]surfing_on_a_rocket 5 points6 points ago

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The picture is from an old Soviet poster.

[–]McFurious 34 points35 points ago

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Another way to help stop rape: Females stop sexually abusing males.

"Peer-reviewed studies conclude that between 60% to 80% of "rapists, sex offenders and sexually aggressive men" were sexually abused by a female."

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/always+gentler/5535693/story.html

[–]moonshine_express 5 points6 points ago

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as you're detracting from the mantra of every man you know is a rapist and a monster... I upvote you

[–]cantonista 22 points23 points ago

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Thanks! Can someone post a list of ways to avoid committing murder, kidnapping, and armed robbery next? Because I'm a little fuzzy on the details there, too.

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[–]InDurdenWeTrust 24 points25 points ago

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The media has done wonders to take the shame out of being a female rape victim, and rightly so. I can't say I've seen the same thing happen for male rape victims; either male-on-male or female-on-male (yes, that can happen)...

I did think the poster was funny and it got the point across, but I still had a slight feeling that it painted ALL men as "potential rapists".

[–]lasercow 6 points7 points ago

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I agreed with you the first time I saw this kind of stuff. But the more I see it the more I feel that this

but I still had a slight feeling that it painted ALL men as "potential rapists".

Is really what its about. And is way more poisonous than what it is supposed to cure.

[–]szchm 5 points6 points ago

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I remember watching an episode of a TV show where a woman rapes a man, and by the end of the episode, they're all laughing about it. I can't remember the name of the show, I just remember the taste of the unrelenting bile.

[–]lions-are-cool 1 point2 points ago

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Pretty sure it was directed at rapists. You know, how it kept mentioning don't rape? It didn't say don't be a man, it said don't rape. So if you're a man who doesn't rape you're in the clear buddy. Poster is not directed at you.

That being said, it could do a better job of addressing male rape and female rapists.

[–]Subotan 8 points9 points ago

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Given the economies of scale (I.e. many more women are raped by men than any other kind of rape), anyone wanting to reduce instances of sexual abuse and rape will do best to target that kind of rape over any over.

It isn't "reinforcing stereotypes" or spreading "misinformation", and it's disingenuous for you to say so. Omission of criticism of male rape does not entail support.

[–]zeppelinfromled 6 points7 points ago

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While you are absolutely correct that men and boys can be raped and that it does happen, the vast majority of rape and sexual assault in our society (for those of us who aren't in prison, at least) is against women.

[–]kyonshi 3 points4 points ago*

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the vast majority of [reported] rape and sexual assault in our society (for those of us who aren't in prison, at least) is against women.

Fixed that for you.

As it is with domestic assault, the official crime statistics cannot possibly be accurate because of non-reporting. Furthermore, in any situation where one gender non-reports at a different rate than the other, official stats paint an even more inaccurate, gender-biased picture of the activity. If you bypass the police stats and go right to people in a victimization study, for example, men and women report being a victim of domestic violence at nearly the same rate. In those victim studies, women are typically the primary instigators of domestic violence, whether we're talking mutual violence (slim majority) or non-reciprocated violence (big majority).

Can't say that I've seen one of those victimization studies on rape, but I'd be willing to bet good money that the vast gap between men and women on the official stats closes up quite a bit.

[–]Napasaurus 17 points18 points ago*

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Why do so few people seem to gett that the point isn't actually about changing rape, but about changing the popular perception (esp. in police culture) of rape victims?

And please don't be ignorant and claim it's not a problem. Cops telling women they were asking for it IS victim blaming and it DOES occur, and does discourage many women from continuing on to prosecution.

[–]damn_it_so_much 1 point2 points ago

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Surely it happens even more often to male victims of rape, especially if the perpetrator was a woman. Framing rape as something only a man could do reinforces harmful stereotypes and makes the problem much worse for a significant proportion of rape victims.

[–]Lailoken 11 points12 points ago

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While I do see how most of those could reduce rape, they are all tough to break habits. Especially number 10. Is there some kind of a 10 or 12 step program to get you started?

[–]Ackilles 1 point2 points ago

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It is a ten step process already, they just werent listed in order. IE you learn to not rape your date before you learn not to break into a house and rape a person

[–]fingerguns 6 points7 points ago

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This poster is disgusting to me. The kerning on the text is atrocious.

[–]JoinRedditTheySaid 93 points94 points ago

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According to this picture, the only rape that occurs is in first world countries, men attacking women.

Because, you know, male and female adults don't attack children of both genders, and women never assault men. And rape never happens in any other context like war or sex slavery.

[–]THLycanthrope 92 points93 points ago

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According to this picture everyone is an English speaking, do-rag wearing loud mouth (with a black eye?).
You gotta pick your battles. You can't solve all sex crime with one poster.
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However, everyone appreciates the extra awareness, so you still get upvoted.

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[–]flargflazman 19 points20 points ago

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They're complete bullshit, and they make the victim be the one responsible for stopping the rape.

Really? You can't control rapists' actions, but you can control your own. Suggesting that women avoid situations where they are more likely to be raped is not victim blaming, though given the historical context, I understand the impulse to say that is is.

[–]JoinRedditTheySaid 6 points7 points ago

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Those are instances of people moving to protect themselves from potential harm. In NO way is it shifting the responsibility of rape prevention onto the potential victim. That's like saying someone who owns a firearm has the responsibility to stop home invasions on their property, or someone with a band-aid is responsible for their own papercuts.

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Good point, but it's a UK campaign. They're targeting their own population.

[–]serius 18 points19 points ago

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Once again the male rape victims are invisible.

[–]EltonJuan 10 points11 points ago

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I love that it has to be called male rape for people to picture it clearly. Like domestic abuse on a male. I don't think it's wrong to physically or sexually assault a woman, but rather it's wrong to assault a person. And until this gets through to people, there will always be that gray area that people abuse.

[–]justicia311 13 points14 points ago

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In the UK rape is defined as the penis going somewhere without permission. Women forcing sex is still a serious sexual assault, with the same penalties, but has a different name.

It's also a campaign to make men more aware of when no means no, and not to take advantage. That's a far bigger problem than women forcing sex with men, and don't deny it, and I have trouble believing a similar 10 bullet point campaign would be effective with child molesters.

So don't pretend you don't understand what's going on just to criticize the poster for something that is beyond their control and not their concern. Whatever scottish charity this is does not have a remit to stop war crimes and human trafficking.

[–]thegimboid 9 points10 points ago

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If a man is raped, isn't that still technically the penis going somewhere without permission?

[–]rootlinuxusr 1 point2 points ago

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Technically, but not according to the FBI, men cannot be raped. However they're currently looking at amendments to that so that the definition is more clear.

[–]hesmurf 1 point2 points ago

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In the UK rape is defined as the penis going somewhere without permission.

Unfortunately, the permission can be withdrawn, after the fact.

[–]Multikulti_cult 2 points3 points ago

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I think number 10 is all inclusive so the other 9 points are rather redundant

[–]sk8r2000 2 points3 points ago

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Fuck, I thought this was a joke at first...

[–]hollander93 2 points3 points ago

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Murder is still cool right?

[–]MustangGuy 2 points3 points ago

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How is this funny?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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"when you see a woman walking by herself, leave her alone." - May reduce girlfriend count.

[–]kabukistar 2 points3 points ago

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Apparently, I've already ended rape.

[–]scratchfury 6 points7 points ago

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Does this include cats? I know someone around here who would be interested to know.

[–]lurkhard 31 points32 points ago

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Remember, if you're both drunk and have sex, it's rape.

[–]Solkre 48 points49 points ago

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Only if the girl regrets it later.

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Yeah, guess who would go to jail on that one. It ain't the female.

[–]ooda 4 points5 points ago

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The Rape-Axe, widely distributed in South Africa, is a vicious deterrent. [NSFW]

[–]ProjektTHOR 2 points3 points ago

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That's not a deterrent. That's a response. Big difference.

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Jesus Horowitz Christ!!! That would work.

[–]FeroxDeoVacuusVinco 8 points9 points ago

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Where's I_RAPE_PEOPLE when you need him?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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I don't understand. Is it really that offensive to provide advice to people on how to reduce the risk of being assaulted? I mean, the police come round and give door to door advice on how to avoid being burgled, pretty sure no one took offense to that, why is rape any different?

[–]Procris 3 points4 points ago

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I think it has to do with how the advice is given and what the alternatives are. E.g. "Don't leave your valuables in your car" is pretty easy, unless you live in your car. "Don't walk alone at night" is fine for those who don't work until midnight. The tone that usually comes across with the second admonition, though, is that it's fine for guys to walk alone at night, but women, why would you take that job that makes you work until Midnight? Didn't you know that you're "Inviting rape?" It's not phrased as 'this makes rape more likely' it's phrased as "you really wanted it, didn't you, you slut", thus denying the criminality of the event at all. That's the whole point of the slut-walk things -- a skirt is not an invitation. It's a skirt.

For the record, the one time I was assaulted (not raped, just assaulted), I was walking home from work at midnight. Wearing a skirt. The skirt was floor length, and yes, the cop asked me what I was wearing.

[–]RepostThatShit 269 points270 points ago

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This isn't as clever as it thinks it is.

[–]what_comes_after_q 387 points388 points ago

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It's not? But it's highlighting the point that it shouldn't be up to the woman to prevent rape. There is a lot of blame the victim culture in the US. It's dazzling the number of times I hear the reaction "so someone got raped jogging last night. What were they thinking, jogging at night?" It's not the woman's fault. I think this poster does a great job of satirizing this.

[–]thedevguy 32 points33 points ago*

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it shouldn't be up to the woman to prevent rape.

And it shouldn't be up to me to prevent robbery by locking my car door.

However, when someone tells me that locking my car door is a simple and effective preventative measure, that person isn't "blaming me" nor are they "supporting a robbery culture." When my iPod was stolen out of the car, it was stolen because thieves are bad people. When my friends tell me that I should roll up the windows and lock the doors, they aren't horrible people, they aren't victim-blaming, they aren't "robbery apologists." Pointing out that I should have locked the car door does not mean that the thief will or should go free.

And a poster that says, "prevent iPod theft by not stealing iPods out of cars!" is not clever and it doesn't help anyone.

Thieves already know it's wrong and they do it anyway. Telling them not to do it doesn't reduce the rate of theft at all.

It shouldn't be up to me to prevent theft, but it kind of is. To deny that reality is to set myself up to fall victim to it.

edit to add: furthermore, the statement, "shouldn't be up to women to prevent rape" is frankly insulting to the scores of men, throughout history, who have defended women.

[–]Bobsutan 1 point2 points ago

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Since when is it men's job to protect women? Women are equal these days. To suggest they should be coddled like children and not responsible for their actions is tantamount to telling them to dispose of their voting cards, stop driving, and get back in the kitchen.

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"so someone got raped jogging last night. What were they thinking, jogging at night?" It's not the woman's fault.

Would you think a person was blaming the victim if they suggested they shouldn't be jogging at night, if the crime was robbery rather than rape? The blame isn't ordinarily shifted by saying such a thing. The police will rarely make such statements as preventive measures, and if they do they could just be completely incompetent. However, the police has to record statistics of under what circumstances reported rape occurs.

The problem is that the media can get a hold of the data and from that make asinine statements, such as rape numbers increasing while what is in fact increasing is reported incidents of rape. That has more to do with cultural perceptions than actual occurrences, which can easily be seen from the way the public responds to dramatic covering of rape in the media (a lot more incidents are reported).

It is a problem when principles (which may very well be out of date, at least in many regions) stand in the way of prevention and a deeper understanding of statistical data.

[–]girlvanized 26 points27 points ago

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You're getting tied up in a specific when the point is that the pervasive attitude in our culture is to look at what the woman did to deserve or "encourage" the assault. When people are mugged, cops don't usually dismiss the crime because they were walking alone at night or because they willingly handed over their wallet for fear of being hurt; but they do dismiss rape for those reasons. It's the reason why women don't report assaults, because they know their own choices will be blamed, and why only 1 in 15 rapists ever sees a day in jail.

[–]xyroclast 50 points51 points ago

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This is the thing that really bugs me about the wave of "don't rape" propaganda. If saying "don't rape, don't steal, and don't murder" were all it took, we'd have no police.

There are two sides of the coin, and the overbearing neofeminist movement needs to realize that, before they start hurting people more than they're helping them.

"Don't walk around in dark neighborhoods" is good advice to anyone, male or female, for many reasons.

[–]Princess_By_Day 37 points38 points ago

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I hear you, I really do- but the problem with that "don't walk around in dark neighbourhoods" is that rape very rarely happens the way it does on TV where a person is walking by and is jumped by a complete stranger they've never met before. 77% of rapes overall, and 85% of college student rapes are committed by someone with whom the victim has some level of acquaintanceship.

[–]morinkenmar 17 points18 points ago

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From your link:

If the victim is intoxicated, then there can be no capacity to consent. However, the voluntary intoxication of an offender cannot be used as a legal defense for committing the crime of sexual assault.

How convenient. So two people go to a party and of their own volition get equally tipsy. They hook up and neither of them says "No", but the next morning one of them regrets it and reports it as rape. Now one of these consenting adults is a rapist.

If that's really how they are defining "rape" in that study, it's so loose as to lose all meaning. I'm inclined to throw out those percentages as complete fabrications.

[–]gnovos 3 points4 points ago

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Exactly, regret is not rape, and by combining the two into one, you cheapen rape. It'd be like making shooting someone with a gun carry the same penalty as shooting someone with a camera. Giving the same name to two completely different things makes it very easy to confuse the issue.

[–]little_turnip 4 points5 points ago

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EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS VIDEO:

It is a video by Dr. Harry Brod called Asking For It - The Ethics and Erotics of Sexual Consent.

Dr. Brod is a philosophy professor and delves into the logic behind our moral standard as it pertains to consent and rape. He covers many grey sections, such as the use of alcohol and drugs.

As a rape survivor and a person who spent years of self-blaming, this video gave me the tools to have a logical reason for why I was not at fault.

Sorry for the bold formatting, but I want to make sure this makes it to the top, for the sake of answering a lot of the questions people have in their posts here.

[–]then_IS_NOT_than 2 points3 points ago

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God damn it, I will do anything I'm told to in bold caps..

[–]me_jayne 28 points29 points ago

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I don't think the point of the post is that people shouldn't be careful, avoid dark alleys, etc.

It's that we could do more to address the perpetrators of rape. This doesn't have to be a substitute for regular safety measures.

Of course saying, "don't rape" isn't a solution- it's meant to bring attention to the problem, not a literal solution.

[–]s78 2 points3 points ago

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thing is most people dont get raped in dark alleys or alone jogging at night. They are raped by people they THOUGHT they could trust.

[–]xyroclast 11 points12 points ago

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The problem goes beyond the poster. I know a lot of people who are part of the movement associated with this poster, and they've gone completely beyond rationality. I take the poster seriously for that reason, because they're literally teaching a "do whatever you want, it's not your fault if something bad happens because they should know better not to do that to you" attitude, and that's bound to get some people into bad situations, sooner or later.

[–]WithThePress 13 points14 points ago

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You're right-o on that.

Big feminist here, but how to combat rape culture is confusing to me. A lot of females at my school's women's centre have the "Do whatever you want and it's not your fault" attitude. And I agree that getting raped isn't the victim's fault at all, but, well, there are certain things I look at as similar to wearing a bike helmet.

I volunteer for a program that walks people home after dark (not just women - anyone can take us) around campus. The campus women's centre claims that we "promote rape culture" by "perpetuating the idea that you can't be safe alone."

Personally, I don't feel safe alone at night. Their argument is that I should feel safe alone at night because if I get raped, it's not my fault.

It kind of reminds me of when I started driving and I was getting tailgated a lot. My mom said, "If they're following too close, just let them hit you - it won't be their fault." My reaction was, "Yeah Mom, but I don't want to get in a car accident at all."

Everyone's so concerned about fault with it comes to assault these days that people are forgetting one important thing: even if authorities, society, etc., go to lengths to make a woman feel like it's not her fault, she was still violated and traumatized.

[–]Tetha 1 point2 points ago

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The best way to call this I have found is opportunity vs fault. You are not necessarily at fault if you get attacked in any way, however, you can increase the chance that this happens by presenting opportunites and showing weakness.

Overall, this shifts the whole discussion in a good way, because you go from a reactive way to an active way. You don't ask "How do I deal with the problem, now that this evil attacker did his morally wrong thing?". You ask "How can I activly make it impossible that anyone attacks me?". Note that this new question is unrelated to rape. It's a universal question of combat and warfare. It's not about avoiding a shot, its not letting the other guy shoot at all.

I'm just wondering why people reject this progress in procedure. I suppose it could add a lot of pressure to people if they realize that being hard to attack requires effort and concious thought about little things, even the realization of your own weakness and limits. I guess that is hard.

[–]bstampl1 1 point2 points ago

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Causation v. comparative fault.
Did victim who chose to walk alone at night in a neighborhood known to be dangerous cause the crime (i.e., without his/her acts, would there still have been that crime?).

Of course (and so did the criminal).

Is the victim more deserving of condemnation than the criminal?

Of course not.

The kernel of truth in the statement that women aren't to blame for getting raped is that they are certainly far less at fault than the rapist. But thinking that their actions don't affect causation is ridiculous (and, actually, disempowering and makes for really really bad advice if they want to stay safe)

[–]Bobsutan 1 point2 points ago

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Personally, I don't feel safe alone at night.

FYI that's not a gender issue. Matter of fact men are the victims of violent crime way more often than women are. This whole rape hysteria thing has gotten way out of hand. As it stands there's really not a rape culture, at least not in the US for the exception of one place: prisons. Now that is a real rape culture.

[–]me_jayne 5 points6 points ago

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Do you mean, that's why you don't take the poster seriously?

I don't know this group, but looking at the website, it all seems very reasonable to me. I can totally believe that some people in the group are a little nuts-- I've been involved in left wing activism and it does include a lot of crazies. But as an outsider to the group, this message really needs to be promoted and I'm glad someone is doing it.

In terms of "fault", well, it's not your fault for getting raped, ever. That doesn't mean that poor decisions weren't made along the way (ie, not being cautious). A thief is always at fault for his/her crimes, no matter the decisions of the victim. Fault is a tricky concept, though...

[–]girlvanized 75 points76 points ago

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Yes, but when a man gets mugged while walking in the dark, cops don't generally dismiss the crime. They do, however, blame the woman. Studies have been done about rape culture in police departments, with cops having the attitude that women who "cry" rape just regret giving it up. The Philly police department used to refer to their sex crimes division as the "whiny bitches unit."

Choices do matter but sexual assault is an area where, regardless of anything, the victim is scrutinized and blamed to the point of the crime not being pursued.

[–]DudeCat 13 points14 points ago

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Yes, but when a man gets mugged while walking in the dark, cops don't generally dismiss the crime.

Source please. They dismiss it in 100% of the cases I'm personally aware of. "Oh, a black guy raped you in neighborhood X. It was dark and you didn't get a good look at his face? We'll get right on it." It's also an underreported crime since most people are aware that muggers won't get caught.

I decided to check out FBI's violent crime stats. There is a nice "crime clock" that shows that roughly one forcible rape occurs for every 5 robberies (85k forcible rapes to 368k robberies). Of those robberies, about 45% occurred on the street. In terms of arrests, there were 20k people arrested for forcible rape and 112k for robbery. They don't break down the numbers further, but they are roughly on par. We can speculate all day on why there are more arrests for robberies than for rapes (e.g. video surveillance, more group robberies than gang rapes, cops truly not caring about rape as much), but the stats don't support your assertion that cops dismiss rape allegations and that they don't dismiss muggings.

[–]cords55 1 point2 points ago

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Wait, I am confused a bit, if you want to clarify.

They dismiss it in 100% of the cases I'm personally aware of. "Oh, a black guy raped you in neighborhood X... It's also an underreported crime since most people are aware that muggers won't get caught.

Dismiss rapes or muggings?

[–]TheLobotomizer 3 points4 points ago

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That's his point. The crime doesn't matter, if you were out in the middle of some run-down neighborhood well know for crime, and got mugged/raped without having a great description of the perp there's not much they can do for you.

[–]90kandi 1 point2 points ago

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I'm sorry but do you have any sources to back this up?

[–]cass314 1 point2 points ago

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I don't think it's either or. I think taking steps to protect yourself from potential crime is always important. But I think what we need to take into account is that there is a culture of blaming the victim in the case of rape that doesn't really exist in the case of physical assault or burglary on the street. And this is not all directly in response to your post, so please don't think I'm accusing you of anything--this is just something that generally I think is important.

Just recently, several police departments have been in the news because members (or the heads) have responded to an increase in rape reporting (which frankly is a good thing, but is often misinterpreted) or a high-profile rape case by telling women not to dress like sluts. In rape cases, the sexual history, clothing, makeup, footwear, alcohol consumption, and in one notable case I've read about high school grades and demerits of the victim are often given as evidence that the victim was a slut who was asking for it. This kind of behavior is bad for two reasons--one, because it discourages reporting (and makes recovering more difficult) because you're telling victims that they did something wrong, and two, because you're furthering the cultural phenomenon by which juries and even cops will accept things such as the tightness of a woman's pants (also, an actual case) as grounds for thinking the victim was asking for it, and telling rapists that their victims will be blamed almost or just as much as (or more than!) they will.

I realize this is an anecdote, but I once accompanied a friend to report her rape. I was a witness--I walked in on the crime. We knew the guy in question by name. The first question the police asked was whether she'd been drinking, and the second was if she was wearing "those shoes" when she "says" she was raped. They didn't even bother to act like they believed her, and one made a remark he probably thought was a whisper about her dressing like a whore. They cared more about the length of her dress than her description of her attacker. The case never went anywhere, despite knowing the guy's name, despite me being a witness, despite my friend having bruises on her arms. I don't even know if they ever tested the rape kit--states often have backlogs of untested ones.

From what I've learned volunteering since then, this is a depressingly common occurrence, and things often get worse when cases do go to trial. Some victims I've talked to have said that reporting the rape was re-victimization on a level comparable to the actual attack. I know women who got convictions who don't think it was worth it. Victim-blaming is not something raging man-hating feminists make up or blow massively out of proportion. Unless the victim was a virgin dressed like a nun who never consumed alcohol and was attacked by a person they'd never met--which is by far the minority of cases just by that last bit--victim-blaming to one extent or another actually tends to be the norm.

It's one thing to say walking alone at night is dangerous for everyone, and probably increases your chances of being a victim of a crime. But we should--and especially in the case of rape, where every single thing the victim did, wore, or ate is frequently grounds for claiming she was asking for it--be careful that we don't take it a step further and shift the blame from the attacker to the victim.

[–]geemachine 1 point2 points ago

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Ill just leave this here

[–]theoryface 1 point2 points ago

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I think your example is poor. I've heard "What were they thinking, jogging at night alone, through a poorly lit series of alleys, in a crime-laden neighborhood, with no cell phone, with no means of defense, etc. etc...."

Rape is never the victim's fault, per se, but if the situation can be prevented with some common sense, shouldn't that be pointed out? After all, women everywhere are potential victims; it's worth discussing what precautions one can take to prevent such heinous crimes.

(To be clear, if a woman was jogging at night alone, through a poorly lit series of alleys, in a crime-laden neighborhood, with no cell phone and with no means of defense and someone raped her, it would NOT be her fault!)

[–]Switche 96 points97 points ago

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I thought it was pretty clever, but I won't assume to know what the poster thinks of itself.

[–]girlvanized 5 points6 points ago

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Maybe because it's not purely a joke, buy making the point that limiting rape prevention education to just women (the primary victims) is largely pointless if we're not also educating men (the primary assailants) about the different forms of sexual assault and why they are wrong.

[–]thegimboid 7 points8 points ago

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We all know you're going to repost it anyway.

[–]RepostThatShit 2 points3 points ago

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And I would get away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.

[–]Xomby 15 points16 points ago

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Gotta love how this assumes all rape is against women...

[–]Goude 16 points17 points ago

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Agreed, but general lists of ways to "prevent" being raped are aimed at women.

[–]reggieband 4 points5 points ago

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I think the crux of this stupid poster and the ideas behind rest on the difference between entitlement and personal responsibility.

Some women (certainly any that support the statement this poster makes) seem to think that they are entitled to be safe. They believe that other people are responsible for their own safety. The idea that any other person would act in a way that could cause them harm is something they are actively protesting. "I have a right not to be raped!". They don't realize that rights are useless without enforcement (either internally by mental choice or externally through protective measures like the police).

People who loathe this sort of statement realize that a large portion of an individuals personal safety is directly related to that persons behaviours and actions.

That is, if you can't change other people (those who would rape) and you can't rely 100% on external protections (e.g. the police) then you must change your behaviour if you wish to avoid injury. No poster will ever change that fact and getting upset if someone points it out to you is counter-productive.

[–]Smoofer 6 points7 points ago

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When I saw " rapecrisisscotland.org" I was expecting something having to do with sheep.

[–]monkey234dfg 1 point2 points ago

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You're thinking of New Zealand

[–]Ktmouse 12 points13 points ago

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This ad scores a 9/10 on my fucking-useless scale.

[–]Oswyt3hMihtig 1 point2 points ago

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I will always upvote an appropriation of that Rodchenko poster.

Other good uses: (1) (2)

[–]iamnotloggedin 1 point2 points ago

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The more I read the comments for this post, the more I think, "rape doesn't even sound like a real word anymore."

[–]CottonStorm 1 point2 points ago

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Interesting. A friend of mine wrote this some time ago, and the text was turned into an image by one of her readers.

Seeing this post, I'm not sure if my friend is lying, or if the creator of the thread's subject is ripping her off. Anybody feel up to doing some detective work?

[–]umpronounceable 1 point2 points ago

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It's obvious this is supposed to snarkily mock the advice women get about how to avoid being raped, but I bet there are a lot of dudes that don't realize they are doing some of these things, like drugs, and sex with an unconscious person. ultimately i think this mixes the message too much.

[–]mindaika 1 point2 points ago

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Interesting, but the average rapist doesn't sit in jail going "Man, I really wish someone had told me not to rape."

[–]McMac 1 point2 points ago

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This should be gender neutral.

[–]mrreeb 1 point2 points ago

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Has anyone posted this on big Ben Rothlisberger's wall yet? God knows he could use it.

[–]UnderAboveAverage 1 point2 points ago

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This is why Rape isn't funny. Not because it genuinely isn't funny, but because people with little imagination think they can make rape jokes.

Please, when it comes to rape, pedophilia, cancer... anything controversial... leave the humor to professionals, because otherwise you're just adding fuel to the "rape isn't funny" fire.

[–]Shoola 1 point2 points ago

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expecting a self defense list, wow, just wow.

[–]bultaco370pursang 1 point2 points ago

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This is posted under 'funny'?

[–]memymineown 1 point2 points ago

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Does anyone else find this sexist?

[–]Tommy2Gunz 1 point2 points ago

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I think that crime prevention is a shared responsibility. You can tell people not to commit crimes but it's never going to work 100%, do you think all rapists will just stop? No, unfortunately not. However, knowing that, there are still measures you can take to protect yourself. Bottom line is, even if it's not your fault, you're still the one being victimized.

[–]runswithpaper 1 point2 points ago

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And remember kids rape is not a sexual crime, it's a violent crime... where at the end you cum. It's no different then if you go into a liquor store, rob the guy at gunpoint, pistol whip him, and then you know... cum. There is nothing sexual about either.

[–]purpleteapot 1 point2 points ago

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can't help but feel that all those rules kind of defy logic

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Oh us Scots.

[–]DistantLight 1 point2 points ago

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[–]ThePeoplesMagikarp 1 point2 points ago

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You know what? Fuck this shit. Women aren't the only ones getting raped and that social stigma that they're the only ones that can is probably the most destructive part of rape.

[–]tacoitup 1 point2 points ago

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Oh, look! We're going to start the Blame Game again!

[–]bobleethedog 1 point2 points ago

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This is almost as dumb as slut walks. There are evil, evil men out there. Funny, but it can't be all 'don't rape' and 'no one deserves rape' when you're dealing in the disgusting world we live in.

[–]Demerkus 1 point2 points ago

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Is this shit serious?

[–]LokiArchetype 1 point2 points ago*

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Gotta love the drama queens.

I guarantee you that everyone that thinks this is clever takes other preemptive steps to prevent becoming a victim like locking their doors when they're not home or asleep without making a major fuss out of how they shouldn't have to worry about such things.

Obviously it'd be best if robbers didn't rob and rapists didn't rape, but if someone is breaking the law and risking jail time, they clearly don't care about society saying "hey, that's wrong."

Speaking of, I'm pretty sure the fact that it's a crime is a pretty clear message from society anyways of "do not do this, or else". If anything, this image is parodying feminism, as the listed tips would be laughably ineffectual.

How high in the clouds does one's head have to be for them to think that the only reason people do bad things is because they don't understand that its bad.

[–]cwm9 1 point2 points ago*

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What makes me angry about this campaign is that it fails to separate blame from stupidity from statistics.

If I walk through Blood territory wearing a Crip costume and carrying an airsoft pistol at midnight and I get shot in a drive by, who's fault is it?

The guy who shot me, obviously.

Is it statistically more likely for me to get shot this way? Yes.

Am I an idiot? Duh!

A woman has every right to strut down a dark street alone in the bad part of town wearing Daisy Dukes, a bikini top, and high heels. If a bad man drives up in his "Toy Box" van and rapes her in the back of it, who's fault is it?

The bad man's.

Is it statistically more likely for her to get raped this way? Maybe. Some studies say no. Only 20% or rapes are stranger rapes. For that 20% I'm gonna guess yes.

Is it stupid to do this? Again, looking at just the 20% stranger rapes, I'm gonna say probably yes.

I think the message should be this: Men, stop blaming women for getting raped. Women, be more careful because the largest risk factors for being raped is being female. Go out in your risque clothes. We like it. But try to take a girlfriend and a cell phone, and strive to be sure someone knows where you are at all times. Not because you are obliged to; not because you aren't as good as men -- just because we care about you and don't want you to fall victim to one of the handful of scumbags out there. And men, don't rape women.

[–]SerendipityMan 1 point2 points ago

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I understand the point, but it kind of sounds like they are trying to make it has every male is a potential rapist.

[–]aguafiestas 1 point2 points ago

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This doesn't work. I followed all the steps, and people still got raped!