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[–]shamansblues 20 points21 points ago

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[–]mamap31 10 points11 points ago

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Does it only bother me that this video is under the ENTERTAINMENT section?

[–]bluepumpkin 34 points35 points ago

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It bothers me more that 90% of the comments on the video are praising the driver of the car.

[–]Catmand0 63 points64 points ago

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Youtube commentors aren't people, just manifestations of negative energy and ignorance.

[–]lousy_at_handles 14 points15 points ago

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If you look closely at Youtube in a dark room, you can actually see the river of slime underneath all the videos.

[–]keddren 4 points5 points ago

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Quick, play some Jackie Wilson!

[–]erichzann 4 points5 points ago

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Your loOove is lifting me higher...

[–]wisdumb 1 point2 points ago

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The Dark side?

[–]Legendary_Linux 6 points7 points ago

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something something something complete

[–]VDr4g0n 0 points1 point ago

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You should've have been there during the Japan tsunamis videos. So much anger.

[–]leboomtings 0 points1 point ago

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I initially read your name as "blumpkin"

[–]uncreativegeek 1 point2 points ago

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Haha. But really...ew.

[–]Gabe_b 74 points75 points ago

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Ricardo José Neis is the name of this soulless cock-sucker. He's a banker. Just say'in

[–]chelelgin 9 points10 points ago

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I want to beat him with a U-Lock..

[–]MediaMoguls 0 points1 point ago

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sayin'

[–]Gabe_b 3 points4 points ago

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Super sayin'?

[–]Hamlet7768 1 point2 points ago

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RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[–]draculthemad 7 points8 points ago

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[–]beyron 7 points8 points ago

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What a fucking scumbag, somebody needs to fuck that guy up.

[–]-_-zzz 94 points95 points ago

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Mr. Magoo's hilarious antics take a turn for the worse.

[–]Atlanticlantern 55 points56 points ago

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Seconds before:
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME SKYRIM CAME OUT YESTERDAY!

[–]the8thbit 32 points33 points ago

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time to drive all the way out to steam.exe

[–]r00x 6 points7 points ago

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That's several folders away man, it'll take forever.

[–]lop987 2 points3 points ago

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Not if you want the special edition with that dragon and shit. Then you gotta head out to amazon.com.

[–]Togarda 2 points3 points ago

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That's like...one, two, three.......11 BUTTON PRESSES AWAY!!!!

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[–]aardappelen 4 points5 points ago

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I want to see the video the guy with the cell phone took. Obviously that man is from the internet, because when faced with his impending death, he decides to take pictures instead of move out of the way.

[–]NiftyPistols 2 points3 points ago

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Helmets?? WHERE ARE THE HELMETS???

[–]sp00kyd00m 14 points15 points ago

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The guy in the car is an utter asshole. But also, fuck critical mass.

[–]hitlerwasright 3 points4 points ago

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It's a tie

[–]TrollNumberOne 0 points1 point ago

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This is the most relevant comment in this thread.

[–]MTRsport 3 points4 points ago

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Who has two thumbs and has done this before? http://tinyurl.com/5s4sssu

[–]DMYTRIW 4 points5 points ago

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If only they wore a type of helmet designed for such an activity.

[–]fan_22 22 points23 points ago

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[–]rush22 17 points18 points ago

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Roll through a stop sign? Time for murder

[–]willdrillhard 1 point2 points ago

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we need explanation for this picture

[–]hassium 1 point2 points ago

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I can't stop looking at it O_O ... so disturbing.

[–]nickyzee 1 point2 points ago

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That's why I dont go biking anymore

[–]Steaksauce 11 points12 points ago

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[–]EmperorSofa 20 points21 points ago*

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Seriously. I'd love to just bike to work, but it's a hundred and fucking two degrees outside by 11 am.

Fuck that noise.

[–]Beneneb 6 points7 points ago

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I would like to see you ride 30km to work one way in -10 degree celsius weather...

[–]yetanothernerd 1 point2 points ago

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Done it plenty of times. If you're dressed correctly, it's not so bad. If you're not, it's miserable and possibly dangerous. Kind of like skiing or snowmobiling.

[–]thatsamoral 0 points1 point ago

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I contend that it is indeed quite fun! I have ridden to work (only 3 miles) in 8 inches of snow when it was -15 (-26 C) degrees farenheit! Love it. I have ridden for about 15 miles in -19 farenheit (-28 C). It is hard on tires and knees when it is icy, but I have rarely had more fun.

[–]thatsamoral 0 points1 point ago

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I contend that it is indeed quite fun! I have ridden to work (only 3 miles) in 8 inches of snow when it was -15 (-26 C) degrees farenheit! Love it. I have ridden for about 15 miles in -19 farenheit (-28 C). It is hard on tires and knees when it is icy, but I have rarely had more fun.

[–]Beneneb 0 points1 point ago

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You ride 30km each way to work in the winter time!? With snow!? I can see doing a shorter ride, maybe under 10km, but it is in no way practical to do that long a ride. It takes me 35 minutes driving 75% of which is on the highway, google maps tells me it would take me just over 2 hours on the bike, and that would be in good conditions.

Who could spend 4 hours per day riding their bike to and from work....

[–]yetanothernerd 0 points1 point ago

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Indeed. This is part of why I changed jobs. My commute went from 21 miles (33 km) to 12 miles (19 km). This reduced my normal commute time from about 85 minutes each way (too long) to about 40 minutes each way (just right).

On really snowy days, it still takes a lot longer. Of course, that's true in a car too. We had a bad late-afternoon snowstorm last February. It took me two hours to get home. It took a lot of people in cars 4 hours or longer because of all the traffic jams.

[–]warcin 14 points15 points ago

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Also this is from Brazil

[–]Steaksauce 7 points8 points ago

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Hence, Americas.

[–]ForgettableUsername 13 points14 points ago

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Brazil isn't generally considered to be part of Europe.

[–]IXISIXI 3 points4 points ago

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Yep, no cars in Europe.

[–]Steaksauce 5 points6 points ago

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Just pointing out the designated bicycle path. No cars there, indeed.

[–]zerophewl 13 points14 points ago

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Nobody drives in Europe, there's just too much traffic

[–]CheeseMunkee 4 points5 points ago

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I'm really not sure what to make of this statement...

[–]lolumadhatter 0 points1 point ago

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Translation: "Europe's infrastructure is designed to support fewer people driving cars and more people riding bikes, so traffic congestion is very high even though there are fewer cars."

[–]shugr2th 1 point2 points ago

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Actually, seems to be from a part of Europe.

[–]Takingbackmemes 2 points3 points ago

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South america IIRC.

[–]so_fresh_so_clean 0 points1 point ago

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Where did you take that picture? It reminds me of the town where I live

[–]the_Androids_soul 0 points1 point ago

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Build me a trail from my house to my office. Please.

[–]draculthemad 2 points3 points ago

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[–]Shitballs1 3 points4 points ago

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I wish there was bicyclists on grand theft auto

[–]beanhead1977 2 points3 points ago

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I heard driver had to shit really bad, if so, this is excusable.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points ago

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The cyclists were intentionally blocking and mocking the driver, and were systematically harassing other drivers trying to, y'know, drive. I'm not saying they deserved to be run down, far from it, but if you knowingly poke and prod and aggravate a bunch of people in powerful machines, and one of them happens to be a maniac, I don't really know what the fuck you expect to happen.

[–]23235 9 points10 points ago

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Riding your bike down the street is not "systematically harassing other drivers," it's, y'know, riding. If traffic is too slow for you in a big city, turn and take a parallel street. Don't try to kill people.

Mocking? What evidence?

[–]FrankieBones 13 points14 points ago

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According to the news report from when this happened, the driver felt threatened after the cyclists broke one of his car's windows while he and his son were in the car.

Edit: The driver claimed self defence, but I can't find any follow up stories about what ended up happening at trial.

[–]23235 0 points1 point ago

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If someone broke his windows before he started running people down, that's seriously fucked up, and the people who broke his windows should have more of the blame for this than the driver, since that could obviously cause panic.

But all I know for sure is what's in the source video. Either way, this tragic event is nothing to celebrate, and drivers (like myself) need to be extremely cautious, since we can kill cyclists and pedestrians (not to mention ourselves and other drivers) with the thoughtless or malicious push of a gas pedal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Nothing is in the source video, all it shows is what happened after he started accelerating, not before. We can't know for sure exactly what happened to his car, but I doubt someone would so dramatically fly off the handle for no reason.

[–]23235 0 points1 point ago

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This report has a lot more info:

http://road.cc/content/news/31562-brazilian-critical-mass-driver-says-he-had-no-alternative%E2%80%A6-they-broke-mirror

Including this:

The police confirmed that the only damage to his car mentioned by Neis was to the wing mirrors – something which would appear to contradict an earlier statement from his lawyers that the car windows had been smashed by the cyclists prior to Neis driving through them.

Often people do fly off the handle for no reason, or very little reason.

In any case, whatever did or didn't happen before or beyond the range of the video, no one deserves being run over just for riding a bike down the street.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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In any case, whatever did or didn't happen before or beyond the range of the video, no one deserves being run over just for riding a bike down the street.

Which is exactly what I said in my original post. Holy shit, can no one on reddit actually read posts before responding to them? Jesus christ I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

[–]23235 0 points1 point ago

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No, in your original post you said:

The cyclists were intentionally blocking and mocking the driver, and were systematically harassing other drivers trying to, y'know, drive.

To which I replied:

Riding your bike down the street is not "systematically harassing other drivers," it's, y'know, riding.

I know, I know. You also said:

I'm not saying they deserved to be run down, far from it,

Which makes you better than some of the other commenters and voters here.

but if you knowingly poke and prod and aggravate a bunch of people in powerful machines, and one of them happens to be a maniac, I don't really know what the fuck you expect to happen.

These people in this video were riding down the street. If them riding down the street seems to you like "knowingly poking and prodding and aggravating a bunch of people," you just might be taking crazy pills.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You watched a 1 second gif, and can divine what they're doing? Teach me your powers of clairvoyance, o master!

These people in this video were riding down the street. If them riding down the street seems to you like "knowingly poking and prodding and aggravating a bunch of people,"

If they weren't aggravating drivers, it would be the first Critical Mass to make such a claim. Hey look, you can even see them blowing through a red light a few seconds into the very video we're discussing!

I guess you're still sticking to your completely redundant statement that "no one deserves being run over just for riding a bike down the street", when absolutely nobody said otherwise? That's cool.

[–]23235 0 points1 point ago

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If they weren't aggravating drivers, it would be the first Critical Mass to make such a claim.

You watched a 1 second gif, and can divine what they're doing? Teach me your powers of clairvoyance, o master! Back-atcha.

Oh shit! They ran a red! Of course, in another of our seemingly endless replies on this, I explained why that actually makes some sense to me.

I guess you're still sticking to the crazy pills. That's cool. Of course, I have to wonder whether it's crazier to argue with crazy.

[–]misterlogan 47 points48 points ago

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass

Normally a good natured thing, in some areas though, they block off main roads, and are generally huge dicks to everyone, hurting support for cyclists.

[–]EpicFishFingers 24 points25 points ago

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If that hurts support for cyclists, what does this .gif do for drivers?

[–]xxsmokealotxx 44 points45 points ago

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well it sure as fuck doesn't make me want to ride a bike!

[–]FrankManic 0 points1 point ago

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Solution - Mount a spar torpedo to the back of your bike.

[–]xxsmokealotxx 2 points3 points ago

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could it have an oil slick and look like this?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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This has happened, what, once or twice?

I've never seen a respectful Critical Mass

[–]EpicFishFingers 0 points1 point ago

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I've never seen one, period. But yeah, it does seem to give cyclists a bad name. I'll add it to the pile... :/

[–]misterlogan 6 points7 points ago

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I guess you're implying this hurts support for drivers? I don't know if you're implying that I'm taking the drivers side or just saying that as a general statement appended to mine, but I wasn't taking either side. The cyclists are dicks, the driver is a maniac.

As a counterpoint, this .gif doesn't do much for drivers, as they don't really need support.

[–]EpicFishFingers 1 point2 points ago

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Hehe, I just posted it to see if I'd get downvoted to hell or upvoted. Turns out, it's the latter.

And regarding your point, I don't disagree with you necessarily, as you were being pretty neutral.

This is a bad side of cycling though, it's shame that some of us are so entitled. As a cyclist who actually stops at the fuckin red lights, this makes a lot of us look bad IMO.

[–]tallwookie 0 points1 point ago

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encourage them?

[–]EpicFishFingers 0 points1 point ago

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Most drivers are competent, believe it or not

[–]roostercogburn 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not sure I'd say that, but most drivers are not maliciously fucking with people like Critical Mass does.

[–]r00x 0 points1 point ago

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It does something between "not a lot" and "nothing", I believe. Besides, I know which transport I'd rather be using, if this kind of shit was commonplace.

[–]EpicFishFingers 1 point2 points ago

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I'm glad to report it isn't (being summarily run over, that is. I've been riding my bike for 13 years and I've never been run over on it along with several other people)

[–]bloodfist 0 points1 point ago

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I've never been run over on it along with several other people

Well, its nice to know you've only ever been run over by yourself.

[–]EpicFishFingers 0 points1 point ago

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Forever alone... crunch

[–]vermicin 2 points3 points ago

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huge dicks to EVERYONE, including people TAKING THE GODDAMN BUS.

I fucking hate critical mass with a passion I usually reserve only for people who don't know the difference between your and you're.

[–]vermicin 1 point2 points ago

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There was a big to-do when the video was released. There was much gnashing of teeth on both sides. Nobody's opinion was swayed.

[–]sellyberry 7 points8 points ago

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It was a planned event that takes place once a month. So maybe drive a different rout once day out of the month?

[–]vermicin 5 points6 points ago

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except they're the size of a parade, and you know what parades need? a fucking license. That way, the city can prepare and route traffic and buses away from the route. But instead, they claim "there's no real leadership!" and just congregate en masse randomly. It's not exactly easy to have 1000 buses use a different set of roads.

[–]MrBacon 9 points10 points ago

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Is it a planned event to piss off drivers? If so they need to grow the fuck up. If not never mind.

[–]NotAnAlt 9 points10 points ago

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It's a planned event to help raise awareness that people use bicycles and to help drivers recognize this fact. Since as the video shows in a fight between a car and a bike the bike loses.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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In Vancouver, the week after they converted an entire lane on one of our busiest bridges to a bike lane, they did their critical mass thing (which is evidently a bunch of hipsters on fixies, none of whom look like they take their bikes out of the garage more than once a month, but I digress). Seemed like a bit of a slap in the face to the drivers whose fuel taxes pay for their bike lane improvements.

More than once I've been held up at an intersection for half an hour or more, with no way to go around, simply because the critical mass cyclists refuse to acknowledge red lights and park themselves in front of cars for no other reason than to block them. All it seems to raise awareness of is the entitlement and arrogance of certain cyclists. I really don't see how pissing off drivers who are just trying to fucking get home from work does anything to help their "cause". It's just a bunch of cunts who want to feel like they're sticking it to the man by blocking off roads and having casual conversations in the middle of four-lane intersections.

[–]StabbyPants 1 point2 points ago

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arrest the lot of them - see how they like that.

[–]thatsamoral 0 points1 point ago

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I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I am a CUNT that rides my bike a whole lot. I pay the fuck out of road taxes through my income tax and when I buy gasoline for the 2 cars that I also own. I worked at a bike shop for about 8 years and one thing I noticed was that most people who own bicycles also own cars! Holy shit! They are not exclucive! saying that cyclists don't pay road taxes and are not licensed is the stupidest fucking argument. Think about it for a second. I will admit that a lot of 10 year old kids don't pay taxes, but I am a firm believer that adults are supposed to take care of kids.

And yes, some cyclists don't obey traffic laws. Have you ever seen a car run a red light? Run a stop sign? Disobeying traffic laws is not just a bicycle related.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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  • I called the Critical Mass guys cunts, not all cyclists

  • You don't have to have a license or pay taxes to ride a bike on the road, you happen to own a couple cars as well.

Holy shit, can anyone on reddit actually read?

[–]thatsamoral 0 points1 point ago

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My point is that most cyclists have a license, (which gives them no excuse to disobey traffic laws.), own a car or two and pay taxes. And buy gasoline and carry insurance.

[–]skoorbevad 6 points7 points ago

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By ignoring traffic laws that also affect bicyclists.

If they want to raise awareness about bicycles, they should do it in a lawful manner. Critical Mass and their hordes of feeble-legged hipsters don't seem to get it.

I don't support people getting run down with cars, because I don't, but don't fool yourself that this is an event designed to raises awareness. It's designed to raise tempers.

[–]jba 4 points5 points ago

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Have you ever seen or been to one? I can only speak for the NYC ones, but they follow every rule of the road. They stop at traffic lights, signal for turns, etc.. The rage from drivers is for having to share the road with bicycles and not any perceived lawlessness.

besides, have you ever driven on American roads? the drivers here aren't exactly known for carefully following the law.

[–]Iambillslefthand 2 points3 points ago

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I have been the car behind a Critial Mass group. I was on my way to a study session, and took my normal route at 8pm. I pull out of my apartment complex and see a fucking field of bikers that stretches for a good quarter mile. This turned a quick 5 minute drive into a nice 30 minute one since the group decided to go on my same route. I couldnt turn around since there was traffic in the other lane, and no other roads to take. I was trapped behind a wall of bikes. Fuck.

Not to say that critical mass was doing a good job of raising awareness. They followed every traffic law to the letter. The problem is them doing this unannounced. People have places to be, kids to pick up, work to get to and from. Completely blocking the major roadways does nothing more than piss people off, and give bikers a bad rep.

/soapbox

[–]vermicin 2 points3 points ago

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all they raise awareness of is what entitled cocks a lot of cyclists are.

[–]thatsamoral 0 points1 point ago

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Seriously? What the hell do you mean?

[–]sellyberry 4 points5 points ago

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Critical Mass seems to be an organized event taking place on the last Friday of every month in hundreds of cities since before the year 2000. It is intended to raise awareness of traffic laws and bicycle safety as well as support the more environmentally friendly mode of transportation.

The man shown running over and injuring 30 or so people later checked himself into a hospital, due to being suicidal and of questionable mental health, where he was later located by police.

[–]skoorbevad 6 points7 points ago

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Except it doesn't do that by following the traffic laws (in most places) that pertain to bicyclists. If they actually did that, I'd have a lot more respect for them.

[–]StabbyPants 1 point2 points ago

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maybe they need to get a parade permit. Not defending the guy, just general critical mass hate.

[–]sellyberry 0 points1 point ago

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They should defiantly try to get a permit. But when one person steps up to take responsibility for it and is declined after a few months and then it happens anywyas, will that one person be held responsible?

Don't permits cost money? Who's going to pay up front?

I'm not on anyone's side. Someone asked a question and I googled the answers, that is all.

[–]StabbyPants 0 points1 point ago

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But when one person steps up to take responsibility for it and is declined after a few months and then it happens anywyas, will that one person be held responsible?

Nah, just go after the people in the event.

[–]Dirt_Bike_Zero 0 points1 point ago

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Did they have a permit from the city to block off the road? Planned how? With the city's approval?

[–]sellyberry 0 points1 point ago

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Ionno dude, I don't even own a bike. I saw someone ask a question so I Googled it, any responses after that have been agreement or defense.

I don't think they get permits and they ride more than a block, apparently some cities take different routs each month. There is little or no planning and no one is in charge.

All of that contributes to why people are so upset by the bikes.

[–]Dirt_Bike_Zero 1 point2 points ago

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So far, I haven't given my opinion on the group - but here it is.

I think they basically got what they wanted. They try to provoke a public reaction. When there is a conflict or controversy that makes the international media, it's good for them. I'm not saying they wanted to get run over, but provoked reactions can be unpredictable.

I think their tactics are similar to the protests the Westboro God Hates Fags Church Assholes do at funerals. They want to provoke a reaction, to which they will ultimately benefit from. They get free international air time advertising.

[–]sellyberry 0 points1 point ago

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Quite possible some more malicious participants, but certainly not all realized the potential for such... Hazardous reaction.

Seems a bit like kids playing. One knows it's wrong to eat all the cookies, so they bring friends and share. They still get to eat a bunch of cookies, but everyone gets in trouble in the end, facing the consequences they weren't even told about.

Bikes get a raw deal, it's not fair, but they don't seem to care if what they do is fair to cars and pedestrians either.

[–]Dirt_Bike_Zero 1 point2 points ago

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I've kind of re-though my view on them after doing some research. They don't seem to have an agenda. Going slow and blocking is kind of a dick move, but they certainly should have the right to travel by bicycle in large numbers.

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[–]thesprunk 17 points18 points ago

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I think you missed this part " I'm not saying they deserved to be run down" and this part " and one of them happens to be a maniac".

Regardless of whether its justified, some people fuck back when fucked with.

I agree with your second line though.

[–]ConcernedPlayer 6 points7 points ago

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but that makes it OK with attempted murder? REALLY!?

OH YEAH TOTALLY THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THAT GUY WAS SAYING.

REALLY?! YOU TOLD HIM!

Hear that all you maniacs, psycopaths and others with anger-management issues? Just learn responsibility.

[–]alerad 1 point2 points ago

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You think it's OK to punch people in the face if they look at you? REALLY!?

[–]Floppyboobsack 0 points1 point ago

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So, it's ok to murder someone for mocking you if they are on a bike? Fuck you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Did you even read past the first few words of my post, or are you just illiterate? How did you find your way onto the internet?

[–]Shagata-Ganai 24 points25 points ago*

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Here's the deal. From: a country/city biker and former Big-City (Cambridge/Boston, MA) taxi driver.

Don't try to deny that bike riders play both sides.

1) They are motor vehicles when it suits them, pedestrians when it suits them, and neither, when it suits them.

2) They are NOT required to carry insurance, as motor vehicles must (in civilized States and Provinces)'

3) They are not tested for ability, eyesight, other disabilities, as are motorists.

4) They are not licensed, as are motorists.

5) Their equipment is not tested to required safety standards, as are motor vehicles including motorcycles.

6) They are not taxed annually, as are owners of motor vehicles (excise taxes are not universal. But I pay 'em).

7) I have seen bicyclists commit traffic infractions in front of cops in marked cop cars. The cops do nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.

8) Bike and rider hit pedestrian. Words are exchanged, no papers, no ID, nothing else. Try that as a motorist.

I could go on, but it's getting thin from here out. My point? When bicyclists are responsible for all the same things that motorists are, I'll treat 'em with more respect. I'm not talking about you, Mr. or Ms. "I have dayglow orange on, my strobe is flashing, my flag is eight feet in the air, I wear a helmet" professional bike rider.

I'm talking about the yahoos that run reds, barely miss pedestrians at every crosswalk, ride the wrong way down one-ways (if you accidentally "door" one of these freaks, your insurance is still liable), etc, ad infinitum.

There are far more of these jerks than there are traffic-law-obeying, light-wearing, signal-device using etc. bike riders.

To sum up: When y'all start gettin' pulled over by the cops, and have a license you have to turn over when you are, I'll treat you like a motor vehicle.

Until then, you're all (with the exception(s) described above) mainly a fecking nuisance I'd just as soon not have to deal with. So, since you lose in any collision involving a motor vehicle, the onus is on you to stay the hell out of the way.

Let the downvoting begin.

EDIT: Sp.

[–]Steaksauce 4 points5 points ago

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You're making a fair point, but I'm pretty sure the automobilist in question here is being a major asshole.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 1 point2 points ago

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Y'know, it must be me. I really, honestly didn't think it was necessary to distance myself from an act I would have shot someone for. Clearly, a couple of rounds through the driver's side of the windshield were in order, here. Threatening multiple lives, assault with a deadly weapon, etc.

Sometimes the Hivemind is more like the Herdmind. <sigh>

[–]thatsamoral 1 point2 points ago

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Shooting in this situation would have been just as dangerous as the act itself. He was moving very fast and there were a lot of people around. Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-gun. He should be caught and then shot.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 0 points1 point ago

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You are correct. That was my gut reaction. Obviously, an out-of-control vehicle is as bad as one being driven, under these circumstances.

My feeling about punishment for this driver is, killing's too good for him, the fucking candy-assed coward. Five to ten years in the crossbar hotel, and then no driving for the rest of his life. Make him register wherever he lives, like a sex offender in my home state, so that the locals can tell if this human rat is getting behind the wheel.

[–]newtontwo 19 points20 points ago

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Take 1000 car "accidents" and 1000 cycling "accidents", both involving another party, say a pedestrian.

What's the results.

Just as I wouldn't find it prudent to regulate slingshot sales, but definitely find it worthwhile to regulate gun sales, a bicycle simply doesn't carry the potential consequences to others lives that a motor vehicle can. The "reason" humans invented motors was to overcome/surpass the limitations of human power.

Involving a motor is basically saying I'm doing something with more power, longer, or both than I would otherwise normally be able to. That is why licensing is appropriate. Not to be spiderman cliche, but with more power there's more responsibility. There's vehicles on the road with more power than an entire Tour de France peleton...

Your frustration has some merit, but most likely derives from the fact that cycling can (and often does) impact traffic just as much, if not more than other cars. However, look back to the fact you're doing more than you otherwise would have been able to without a motor.

Slow down for the seconds or minutes it takes...even this driver would have been what...30 minutes late? Spend that 30 minutes (or usually 30 seconds) appreciating that technology has gotten you to a point where being frustrated is even an option...you could be walking. I assure you 10 miles an hour on foot would be amazingly fast.

[–]vermicin 0 points1 point ago

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all of this is irrelevant. we tiny-car drivers regularly battle SUVs and semi trucks. There's no question who's going to die with the 30,000 ton truck carrying 200 cement dividers vs. me in a, say, kia spectra.

It's about whether or not people want to be treated equally. And these cyclists do not. They want special privilege.

[–]newtontwo 1 point2 points ago

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It's absolutely relevant.

Humans have evolved the tenacity and agility (physically and mentally) to deal with events and accidents at "our" scale; both with respect to the time it takes to react and the energy involved.

Those events happen with respect to pedestrians, and 99% of all cycling as well. What you see in the video is someone utilizing 50-100 horsepower or 50,000 to 75,000 Watts of power because they 'lose their cool'. If that driver had been on a bike...the MAX he would have generated would be probably 500 Watts (if that), on foot...100?

When you get in a motor vehicle, your responsibility is REQUIRED to overcome that disparity in potential destruction. If you're a hothead, stay away from lethal options.

As far as mass disparity between vehicles, semi vs. spectra as you point out...the spectra is vastly superior to a bike or person with respect to absorbing 1000's of watts of energy to protect vital positions in the carriage. The semi would also have designs, such as the rear underride guards and low bumpers in the front, logic being that crushing is far more lethal than high impact 'pushing'...sure, sometimes a barrier prevents that, but surely many times it has worked.

These cyclists didn't want special treatment, just equal. If there was a traffic jam and a car did the same thing, would you claim the cars ahead wanted 'special privilege'? There's no evidence ANY of those affected weren't simply held up by someone up front...maybe someone stopped because they dropped something...who knows.

You make your assumptions because they support your desire to deride cyclists. Honestly, name one instance a cyclist or group of cyclists has held you up longer than a traffic jam.

[–]vermicin 0 points1 point ago

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Again, I would argue that they're all irrelevant. If cyclists (who, by and large, I enthusiastically support) wish to be thought of as equals on the road, then in addition to sharing in the "rights" part of the equation, they must also share in the "responsibilities" part of the equation. Let's just put aside the fact that they require no licensing, have no license plates (making them fully anonymous in minor collisions), pay no taxes, and are given their own lanes. If I go driving with a bunch of friends and purposefully impede traffic, I am being a dick. There is no discussion here. The comparison to a traffic jam is irrelevant. They created the traffic jam. If me and 3 friends totally come to a dead stop on a 4-lane freeway, I would fully expect legal repercussions, as well as the ire of motorists behind me. And given that we want the cyclists and autos to be equal, then any cyclist who also purposefully impedes traffic is a dick. If, in the scenario I presented, my friends and I were trying to have an anti-Glenn Beck rally, and the only way we could get people to pay attention was bringing the freeway to a halt? Yes, we are demanding special treatment. And the cyclists in this instance knowing and purposefully impeded traffic to make their point. And that makes them assholes. I just don't see how that's even an arguable point.

[–]downbound 62 points63 points ago

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yeah, you'll get downvoted for this lots. . why? not because of what you say here is right or wrong but because it has NOTHING to do with this video. What is important here is that some terrible person decided to try to kill or hurt a bunch of others. Your comment is trying to justify this guy's actions because bike riders do bad things too. . we can either call this Post hoc ergo propter hoc or a red herring, you choose.

[–]yagmot 13 points14 points ago

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where are you going to draw the line? should i need a license and insurance if i want to go rollerblading? jogging? walking? after all, i could walk into someone and knock them over and they could die... also, you don't disallow the blind from walking about in public. what's to stop them from stepping out into traffic or bumping into other people?

i agree that cyclists can be assholes, but so can motorists.

i've seen cyclists get pulled over by cops.

why should bicycles be taxed? they don't require use of the roads, etc.

their equipment may not be tested to insure safety, but if a cop sees that your bike is out of spec, you can be cited (no brakes on fixies in some areas, no reflectors etc)

you can get whacked for drunk cycling, just the same as driving.

a car is an expensive, large, multi-ton, dangerous thing that requires lots of safety regulation and operator training. a bike is not. the potential damage from misuse is not even comparable.

however, i agree with your sentiment so you still get my upvote.

[–]artevelde 18 points19 points ago

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A very well-thought-out comment (I upvoted it for this reason), but you do realise that in this context you're basically advocating the death penalty for traffic violations that are technically legal anyway?

[–]vermicin 1 point2 points ago

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calling people assholes and supporting the actions of the driver are not necessarily interlinked nor interchangeable.

[–]timothyjwood 12 points13 points ago*

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1) They are motor vehicles when it suits them, pedestrians when it suits them, and neither, when it suits them.

This is a legitimate point, as is #7.

2) They are NOT required to carry insurance

Because they're not driving a $20k death machine.

3) They are not tested for ability, eyesight, other disabilities, as are motorists.

Because they're not driving a 2000lb death machine going 70 mph. If your eyesight is so bad that you can't travel 10mph then you're pretty damned close to legally blind anyway and you're probably not going to hop on a bike.

4) They are not licensed, as are motorists.

You want to license 10 year olds in the suburbs too? How about skateboarders?

5) Their equipment is not tested to required safety standards

What the hell safety standards are you going to test a bike for? Impact testing? Airbags? Safety belts? C'm on. Be serious.

6) They are not taxed annually

Because a bike isn't normally one of the largest investments a person makes. Most people have tv's that are worth more than their bikes. Pedestrians also aren't taxed even though we spend tons of money building sidewalks.

As to your whole poor victimized point of view, I could bitch just as hard about freaking retarded motorists who don't look for bikers on the sidewalks before they pull out of a parking lot, don't realize that a bike lane isn't just a road widening for people with large SUVs, and don't take two seconds to realize that if you're parallel parked then you're opening your door into a bike lane and you should probably check before you fuck somebody up. It goes both ways.

[–]wrecker14 0 points1 point ago

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You completely misunderstood most of the points that were made. For example, he's not suggesting that we require 10 year-olds get licenses to ride their bikes. Instead, he's pointing out that this isn't a requirement so anyone, like a 10 year-old, with no clue how to conduct themselves in a safe manner can ride a bike alongside these giant vehicles capable of killing them. Not all of the responsibility falls on the driver of a car simply because it is the bigger and more dangerous vehicle. Additionally, just because a bike doesn't cost $20,000 doesn't mean they can't be in a situation where they should have insurance. I've had to slam on the brakes to avoid reckless bikers on more than one occasion. If me swerving to avoid a biker who cut me off leads to me hitting the curb or a tree, insurance should be exchanged. It doesn't matter that their bike may have only cost $50.

[–]rush22 4 points5 points ago

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You just watched a video of 3 or 4 people getting murdered by some guy in a car and this is what you come up with?

[–]dorky2 1 point2 points ago

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The onus for responsibility should always be with the person whose carelessness could hurt other people. A car is a much bigger responsibility than a bicycle. It is a cyclist's job to obey the law, NOT to stay the hell out of the way.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 1 point2 points ago

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Good idea. Teach your children that someone else is responsible for their personal safety and property.

See how they do.

[–]dorky2 1 point2 points ago

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You really twisted my words. That's not at all what I said. We are each responsible for ourselves and those around us. No cop-outs. For cyclists or for drivers. But seriously, if you're driving a 2,000 lb. hunk of metal around and you think it's everyone else's job to stay out of your way, you're doing it wrong.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 1 point2 points ago

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No, I did not twist your words. You sent them twisted. I merely revealed their meaning to you.

<And he thinks to himself, "How the fuck can anyone think that someone who drove a Taxi for a living can "do it wrong" and make a living?"> Because that's what driving a cab is, a job. Just like you have a job. How would you feel if someone said to you "if you don't observe your work (or former work) the way I do, you are (were) doing your job wrong?"

Why don't you take that weak shit, fold it until it's all corners, and place it violently where the sun never shines?

OK?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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I like your points. I feel that this thread is the wrong place for them, as they are only tangentially related to the content of the original post.

[–]mfqueso 1 point2 points ago

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Who the hell from Boston says "y'all"???

[–]Shagata-Ganai 1 point2 points ago

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The more well-read. Breaks up the monotony, sounds less imperious.

But your point is well taken. =)

[–]spinelssinvrtebrate 2 points3 points ago

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Y'all is pretty useful.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 3 points4 points ago

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It is. There is lots to recommend US southern culture, as regards speech. It is hospitable, interesting, and generally warm.

[–]mfqueso 0 points1 point ago

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Haha I live in Nashville, trust me I hear it a lot.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 0 points1 point ago

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I actually use it regularly. None of the other damyankees seem to mind, heh.

[–]mfqueso 0 points1 point ago

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Good. If they do, and they're bicyclists, threaten them with your car.

[–]bbibber 1 point2 points ago

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So, since you lose in any collision involving a motor vehicle, the onus is on you to stay the hell out of the way.

I would say since you are the one operating a potentially lethal machine, the onus is on you to be very, very careful about it. That's why the law is the way the law is and if it was up to me, the standards would be much, much more strict still.

[–]Shagata-Ganai 1 point2 points ago

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Can you tell the difference between the law, and life?

As I used to tell my fares, "That person trying to stare me down as I approach them in the crosswalk is absolutely right. But how can they tell I am actually looking at them through my sunglasses, with the glare off the windshield?"

The answer is, they can't. And if a driver's negligence puts them in a wheelchair (I also worked in rehab, installing, instructing and repairing w/c, environmental control units, hosp. beds, etc) for the rest of their fecking life, *they will still be right**. But they *will be in that wheelchair for the rest of their life.

Now, you were saying...?

[–]bbibber 2 points3 points ago

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As I used to tell my fares, "That person trying to stare me down as I approach them in the crosswalk is absolutely right

That doesn't really mesh with your earlier statement that such persons are a fecking nuisance.

Look, I'll be the first to tell someone on a bike to be careful and always assume the unexpected from a car. But at the same time I will also be the first to support whatever reduces the amount of unexpected shit that person on a bike has to deal with. If mandatory driving lessons every 5 year would do that, I'll be the first to vote for it.

[–]dusty78 0 points1 point ago

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There's a difference between being right and being dead right

 --dusty's dad

[–]Shagata-Ganai 0 points1 point ago

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Yep. Sometimes you take your rightness, and have to go into full retreat. So that you can be right again, one day. And not have to retreat.

[–]jamin_brook 0 points1 point ago

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8) Bike and rider hit pedestrian. Words are exchanged, no papers, no ID, nothing else. Try that as a motorist.

OMG, your logic. SNAAapPPPP!!! You made so much sense man. Like that is so totally unfair... You blew my mind... Motorist have it so unfair. Fuck man good call. That is a really smart thing to say, I can't believe you thought of that argument. Do you like have, like a blog or something? Maybe I can subscribe so you might be able to come up with another sweet and totally flawless argument. Man, you are awesome.

Downvote.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You seem like a cool dude.

[–]dsdsds 1 point2 points ago

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Source?

[–]doS2wo[S] 14 points15 points ago

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Here's an article written on the incident by NPR. Although the video embedded seems to be taken down by a copyright claim.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/01/134143818/driver-plows-through-critical-mass-ride-claims-self-defense

[–]robothelvete 18 points19 points ago

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How in the fuck can he possibly claim self-defense? "They started hitting my car, so I ran over every fucker I could possibly hit". That's like shooting somebody in the face for looking at you and claiming self-defense.

[–]Firehawkws7 3 points4 points ago

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Well, have you seen a woman's "evil eye"?

[–]shitterplug 2 points3 points ago

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Does the brown eye count?

[–]railmaniac 6 points7 points ago

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... Appropriate user name...

[–]robothelvete 4 points5 points ago

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Would I be writing this if I had?

[–]akatsukix 7 points8 points ago

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I don't think this guy is telling the truth but... to be fair, I have seen a cyclist clock a dude in a car with a U-lock. You can certainly feel threatened even in a car, especially if your child is in the back.

Especially at Critical Mass which is just about the worst event ever by cyclists - pretty much hipsters crossing over to douches on a monthly basis and killing any support they have built up on a regular basis.

[–]robothelvete 10 points11 points ago

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That is still not a reason to put the pedal to the metal through a mass of cyklists that have nowhere to go.

[–]traken 0 points1 point ago

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Inverted mob mentality?

If everyone you can see is being threatening and you are scared out of your fucking mind, you're not going to stop and think "Hmm, those guys just on the other side probably aren't bad... I should avoid them."

No, they are all enemies and you take them the fuck out. This is not necessarily a sane action to take in hindsight, but that's what self-defense and insanity pleas are for.

[–]robothelvete 1 point2 points ago

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I'd say a temporary insanity plea would be the only way I'd believe he acted in (what he thought was) self-defense.

[–]Kalima 5 points6 points ago

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These mother fuckers will come downtown in San Diego every month on one of the busiest nights of the week. (usually Friday or Saturday) They proceed to mob the streets in the middle of the Gas Lamp District (where everything worth doing downtown is located), yelling loud, ringing bells, honking bike horns, blowing whistles, and trying to draw as much attention to themselves as possible.

They then proceed to ride very slowly down one way streets blocking the whole street. When coming to an intersection, not just a regular one, but actual busy ass main intersections. They proceed to ride around in a giant fucking circle for 10-15 minutes (not an exaggeration) at EVERY FUCKING INTERSECTION. So traffic is essentially at a standstill, and those of us trying to go to work, or trying to leave work, it takes us an absurd amount of time to get home or to our place of business.

They are disruptive, loud, rude, and smug as fuck about blocking the roads and if anyone makes a fuss, they will stay in their "circle the wagons" intersection dance even longer. Heaven forbid you try to drive through the intersection with them there. Are you motorists? Are you Pedestrians? Make up your fucking mind, but you should not be impeding the flow of traffic on busy streets from 6-12 on the busiest nights of the week. They don't even let pedestrians cross the street. So pedestrians and cars have to wait so smug little assholes can show off their bicycles or whatever the fuck they are doing.

[–]The_Evil_Within 3 points4 points ago

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Arrest them. Arrest them all. Maybe a stay in a cell until bail court the next day will smarten them up.

Impeding the flow of traffic, failure to obey traffic signs, etc, they're all offences everywhere I've ever driven... and I bet when you stop these guys, issue a ticket and confiscate their bikes, they'll assault the cops and you'll have extra charges.

I say this as a frequent bike commuter.

[–]Kalima 0 points1 point ago

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I have no issues with normal bike riders. If you want to ride on the street, that's fine. Just stop at the stop lights and use your hand signals to turn and i will not be upset. If you choose to ride on the sidewalk, stay there, unless you absolutely have to move. What this group does, is not raising awareness to the awesomeness or fuel efficiency of riding bicycles. They are just widely hated here in SD.

The hari krishnas that walk on the sidewalk are less loud and annoying than these guys. (i particularly like the Krishnas), but i digress. It comes down to the fact that there are just too many of them to really enforce any law i think. The police are "escorting" them just to make sure nobody gets hurt or out of line. I am all for assembling, but they are breaking laws plain and simple.

[–]The_Evil_Within 0 points1 point ago

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Write your municipal representative... with a petition signed by as many people as you can find.

Be reasonable, say you aren't against peaceful demonstration but that the Critical Mass riders are obviously deliberately choosing to demonstrate in a manner that maximizes the possible inconvenience to everyone else, and they are deliberately provoking people.

Ask that they be restricted to demonstrating like anybody else - and that if they want to demonstrate in a parade that they be forced to get a parade permit with a planned route, schedule, and police traffic control. Otherwise, they can stand around on the lawn of the city hall and wave signs like everybody else.

Ask that, at a minimum, they be required to follow traffic law like anyone else and not be allowed to impede the flow of traffic by blocking multiple lanes and lingering in intersections. Ask that violators actually get ticketed or charged as appropriate.

Also, write to your police chief and advise him that allowing this kind of behaviour - and in fact aiding it with a police escort - makes the police look like they're not enforcing the law and keeping the peace.

[–]Kalima 1 point2 points ago

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That is very reasonable and well thought out. I will work on this! Thank you good sir or ma'am.

[–]lolumadhatter 0 points1 point ago

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This is when you put your car in neutral and rev the engine to red RPMs. Then scream out the window "I'M BURNING ALL THE FOSSIL FUELS YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE BY BEING A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES"

[–]xX-Still-Fly-Xx 3 points4 points ago

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GO BAD SPEED RACER!

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And who among us hasn't resisted the urge to do the same? The difference between civilization and savagery is forbearance.

[–]dcss 1 point2 points ago

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I hope the driver was charged with multiple counts of attempted murder.

[–]lookieausername 3 points4 points ago

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Some men just want to watch the world burn

[–]leep420 -1 points0 points ago

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That's beyond fucked. I hope its fake or the person got caught and severely raped in prison for mowing through them like that.

[–]lhmatt 48 points49 points ago

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Because rape is justice!

[–]NotAnAlt 1 point2 points ago

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Nope, but mowing through 10+ people at high speeds is self defence.

[–]lhmatt 3 points4 points ago

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I don't think that's self defense either.

[–]NotAnAlt 1 point2 points ago

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ya... I'll be honest sides the fact that is his claim he is making I don't know where I was going with that. That being said I wouldn't feel bad to hear that he was beat upsides the head with a crow bar.

[–]ifatree 0 points1 point ago

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the judge's sentence is final... that'll be life in prison and 773 rapings. them's the rules.

[–]levin88 4 points5 points ago

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its definitely real. quite quite sad. did they ever catch the guy/girl?

[–]soloreddit 2 points3 points ago

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Yes, they caught him a day or so later.

[–]BernieBrewer 0 points1 point ago

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No courtesy honk?

[–]satellitedriveby 0 points1 point ago

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[–]fireawesome 0 points1 point ago

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there's a guy at the start filming it, nice

[–]cthulhu8 -2 points-1 points ago

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I gotta tell ya, when these guys block off a busy intersection for several minutes while you're trying to get somewhere, it's maddening. I would never want anyone plow their car into them, but I have no sympathy.

[–]aspartam 1 point2 points ago

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You wouldn't plow into a crowd of cyclists, but you wouldn't feel bad for them if someone else did? You're a hypocrite and a coward. Fuck you for being you.

[–]soupahkoopah -1 points0 points ago

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I really wish people would stop posting this sick video. It never gets labeled NSFL, and the images of these people being splattered all over that guy's windshield are already burned into my eyes forever. Is it supposed to be funny, or are people just desperate for karma?

[–]greenw40 5 points6 points ago

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Splattered? Really?

[–]adunston 1 point2 points ago

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No. Not funny; only those classless heathens over in r/funny would lol in response. We understand that the only appropriate response is "wtf"

[–]scottsdots 0 points1 point ago

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You know those times when you don't really realize you're kinda smiling until you see something that wipes it off your face? Yeah.

[–]TropicalUnicornSong 0 points1 point ago

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Typical Golf driver.

[–]platysoup 1 point2 points ago

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"WOO FUCK CYCLISTS"

[–]fattykyle2 0 points1 point ago

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For the most part I think critical mass misses the point. In my city anyway it is very confrontational. A lot of riders have this "Us vs. them" attitude and use the strength of the mob numbers to intimidate motorists. I will likely never do a CM ride again.

This Ricardo Jose Neis should be tried for attempted murder. It's amazing he didn't kill anyone.