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Fuck Suicide! (i.imgur.com)

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[–]NakedTonyDanza 118 points119 points ago

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I said essentially the same thing to someone that was about to kill themselves fifteen years ago. He listened to my advice and moved to place that didn't suck, then killed himself a few months later.

[–]wade_station 70 points71 points ago

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I went from,

:)

:D

:(

[–]NakedTonyDanza 13 points14 points ago

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Yeah, you and me both. I wasn't expecting that sort of reaction though, this is the 4chan subreddit after all.

[–]leafspeakerwallet 18 points19 points ago

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This is why the ONLY advice you should give to someone who's suicidal is "Talk to a professional". Not only do they not want advice, you will most likely give the wrong ones. Be there for emotional support only.

[–]DrewMcW 19 points20 points ago

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>implying NakedTonyDanza is not a professional.

[–]Bored_At_Night 3 points4 points ago*

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Suicide is for the individual to decide. "Talk to the professional" is a joke of a thing to say. Go talk to this person who is going to make hundreds of assumptions about you based on their own beliefs of psychology and philosophy/religion, then they will undoubtedly tell you that suicide is the wrong choice, because they disagree with it. Until professionals are open to the acceptance of a persons decision to take their own life, there is no reason to talk to them.

[–]soymilknonsense 1 point2 points ago

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Isn't there a reason to talk to mental health professionals if you're having mental health issues? If suicide is the individuals choice, then the option would still be there after you find out if health care can offer any help. The suicidal person is normaly ambivalent and tend to seek answeres from others. I can't see why it would be useless to talk to someone who acctually knows something about the subject before taking such final steps.

[–]Bored_At_Night 0 points1 point ago*

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The decision to commit suicide is not always a mental health issue. That's exactly the disgustingly closed-minded logic I'm talking about. "Mental Health Professionals" may know what many people think before committing suicide, but they are still guilty of biased answers based on their own beliefs about death. They aren't dead, therefor they do not know a damn thing for sure about the subject. Perfectly healthy people decide suicide is what they want to do, and that's not for someone else to say is wrong.

As far as the option still being there, it can be taken away. People who are proved to be a "significant danger to themselves" can be held without consent. This is all building on the fact that not every decision requires or even benefits from outside input.

[–]soymilknonsense 1 point2 points ago

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I understand what you mean and you're alking about what the litterature's refering to as the philosofical suicide. There's however little evidence that this exists but we can be sure that if it does, it's rare. We know for sure that most suicides are commited by people with known mental health issues. As a professional in the matter I can accept that some people want to die. I'm not afraid of death, I don't think that death is a bad thing. I deal with these questions daily and I have no philosofical or religious bias about suicide. How can you know that the person who reads this and decides to go through without consulting health care doesn't suffer from severe mental illness? The important point is that we can not know that unless people seek professional attention first.

[–]Bored_At_Night 0 points1 point ago

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Most is not all, and it again comes down to the fact that the people designated by society to handle that situation face bias about it. Might someone who feels sad and no longer feels life is worth living find happiness later in life? Certainly, it happens all the time. Does that say it is worth it for them to continue living? Nobody can answer that. Nobody should be answering that except for the individual in question.

What is defined as "mental illness"? We've already covered that someone who poses "a significant danger to themselves" is classified as mentally ill and is able to be held against their own consent. That's not an accepting system of differing opinions. That's someone saying with absolute (foolish) certainty that there is a right and wrong choice, and suicide is the wrong one.

[–]soymilknonsense 0 points1 point ago*

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Beeing a significant danger to one self is one of the criterias for forced psychiatric care in Sweden. Having severe mental illness is also a criteria that must be met if one is to be held without consent. Someone who's mentaly well can not be held under forced care even if he poses a significant threat to himself. Severe mental illness is for instance psychosis, severe depression, acute clinical confusion (a reaction to extreme stress, drugs, or brain damage). I don't know how this works in other countries such as the US.

EDIT: the system of forced care exists because mental illness alters the way the brain works. This makes it impossible for the depressed person to have positive thoughts. It looks like you are beeing prejudgemental about mental health care and those who work in that field. Why is your opinion any less biased the that of us who have studied the subject?

[–]Bored_At_Night 0 points1 point ago

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There's no bias in the opinion of choice. At no point did I say that nobody benefits from mental health care. What I did say is that being suicidal does not imply mental illness. Which is exactly what you and the vast majority of "mental health professionals" have supported and enforced.

If you want proof, look at euthanasia laws as they exist around the world. In Sweden passive euthanasia wasn't decriminalized until 2007 (4 years ago), and this is in one of the most progressive areas of the world. As it stands it's only legal in 3 countries. Assisted suicide is only legal in Switzerland and a few US states (northwest US).

Euthanasia isn't a debate about mental health. It's a debate about the individual's right to choose to die rather than suffer the remainder of their natural life. Yet, that doesn't stop people from telling them that they can't do that, and that they are going to be forced to suffer because someone else thinks they should.

[–]soymilknonsense 0 points1 point ago

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That is a whole different mather and not a reason to encourage people not to seek help if they have suicidal thoughts, as it's in most cases a sign of mental illness. Other than that, I agree with your opinion about free choice.

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[–]NigelMK 23 points24 points ago

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The thing that people don't realize is that is that it robs you of any of your energy to do these kinds of things. Depression in a way is almost like an infection of the mind that warps your thoughts. Everything you think about has this negative tinge to it, it's impossible to see the silver lining to any event. Eventually these thoughts compound and manifest into behaviour that is much easier to recognize. (Anti-social, lack of desire to do anything, self harm or even suicide)

Sorry I expressed too much thought and emotion on this. I know this is the 4chan subreddit, so it is what it is. But I just wanted to give people who never had depression some perspective.

[–]Chupka 0 points1 point ago

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Every time i see the picture i think the same but neither have i. Still if i were to kill myself I think i'd break some shit and shoot heroine before it.

[–]damageinc55 148 points149 points ago

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Sorry but this is horseshit. As great as it sounds, you can't go from being suicidal to being fearless and bold. Being depressed means you don't give a shit about anything anymore, including going on adventures and harpooning sharks.

If you're feeling suicidal, try your best to get help. Call a suicide hotline to start.

[–]novembr 46 points47 points ago

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Agreed. Genuine suicidal thoughts are linked with severe depression, a physical or psychosomatic condition that effects energy levels and mood, among other things. Suicide is an escape from perceived psychological pain, so who the fuck thinks a severely depressed person is going to live the life of an adventurer when you can hardly stand to live life like an average person? This message was created by someone who obviously has never been depressed. Goddamned optimists and their ignorant bullshit really pisses me off sometimes.

[–]Loud_Secretary 13 points14 points ago

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PROTIP: Most suicides caused by lack of money. Being James Bond costs MONEY. NO MONEY = NO MONEY.

[–]sonnyclips 3 points4 points ago

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Then commit armed robbery, you'll either get your money or you can suicide by cop.

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[–]comomomo -3 points-2 points ago

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Suicide isnt funny.

[–]Mcflexington/a/ 5 points6 points ago

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That's adorable.

[–]olkensey 2 points3 points ago

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But it is painless.

[–]Exocytosis 1 point2 points ago

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It brings on many changes.

[–]Meades_Loves_Memes 2 points3 points ago*

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Anyone that has been depressed to the point of suicidal would know that this post is utterly bullshit. As awesome as it sounds, being depressed does not make you fearless of anything, it makes you apathetic, who gives a fuck, no one cares about you, there is no way out at all, you are trapped in a dark room with a faint memory of what happiness was. That memory is the only thing that prevents you from suiciding. You don't kill yourself because your life is shit, you kill yourself because you still have to care about breathing, and you don't want to.

People who don't kill themselves because they love their family, are still very far from being depressed enough to kill themselves.

Or you kill yourself because of a traumatic event, which is very different, but still the same.

[–]ShiftAngle 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, this advice really only works for someone who's bipolar, and even then it isn't the best advice. What goes up must come down in the bipolar world.

[–]grubas 0 points1 point ago

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Clearly you've never dealt with mania, cause NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG AND THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE AND ALWAYS BE AWESOME!

[–]sileegranny -2 points-1 points ago

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You don't have to actually do any of these things for this mentality to help you. Will you do it? probably not, but realizing that you aren't really as stuck as you think you are can do wonders to a depressed mind.

[–]damageinc55 9 points10 points ago

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While I'm not an trained on these issues, what I do know if that it is quite common for people to use similar tactics when dealing with a depressed person. They'll say "you have tons to live for, you can do anything you set your mind on, you just need to cheer up, etc.". This generally doesn't help a clinically depressed person at all, in fact, it could make things worse.

[–]Ericakes 0 points1 point ago

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When I worked with a clinical psychologist, we used a lot of positive tactics to get me out of ruminating about everything that made me depressed. Things that had me moving forward and thinking/planning ahead, rather than just dwelling in every miserable part of my existence.

[–]sileegranny -3 points-2 points ago

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Meh, worked when I made that realization in the same situation, worked when I told a friend when he was, so you and any clinical theorists can shove your cynicism up your asses.

[–]ZaphodAK42 11 points12 points ago

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I was severely clinically depressed (still am, but it cycles now), and any time someone would say "You have tons to live for, you should't feel sad" and things like it my depression would get even worse. Actual, real, honest-to-god depression is illogical, non-nonsensical and absolutely fucking stupid. There are days when I wake up and almost can't get out of bed even though I know that I have a great life ahead of me, and that things are all going well, and that I shouldn't be feeling this way at all. Anyone who tells me these things as if I didn't already know just reminds me that I'm sick, and accelerates the downward spiral.

Take it from a guy who's been there: what you and your friend had wasn't clinical depression. If it were, you wouldn't have been able to logic yourself out because logic doesn't exist in that state. When I get depressed (it happens regularly) I can't think rationally, and the only way I've been able to get help is by trusting someone else to do so for me. I've developed a routine that I follow, but I'm just a blind, sad, useless zombie of a person until I cycle through.

Did I mention that I'm a successful college student with a fiance and two loving supporting families (mine and hers), with unbelievable prospects and several good plans for the future? Yeah, this is the stuff that doesn't help me break out of it.

So, that being said, you and anybody who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about can shove your ignorant optimism up your asses.

[–]DrewMcW 0 points1 point ago

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Did I mention that I'm a successful college student with a fiance and two loving supporting families (mine and hers), with unbelievable prospects and several good plans for the future? Yeah, this is the stuff that doesn't help me break out of it.

So what helps you break out of it?

[–]ZaphodAK42 2 points3 points ago

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Honestly, nothing. Through years of therapy I've been able to do away with the self-hate that accompanied my bouts as a child, but that's about it. When I feel the downward part of the cycle all I can do is hunker down and not think about myself (it's how I've avoided suicide all these years, honestly).

I've recently begun visiting a mental health professional at my university, and the system in place is doing a wonderful job at getting at the root of the issue, which seems to be PTSD. Between that and the drugs they'll be giving me, I hope for this cycle to be my last.

[–]damageinc55 2 points3 points ago

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Sorry if I offended you. Depression is a complex issue, and I'm happy that positive thoughts helped you out of yours. I would just venture as to say that it's not the norm.

[–]PDK01 2 points3 points ago

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TIL: You didn't have depression.

[–]sileegranny 1 point2 points ago

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ITT everyone thinks every depressed person is the same and responds exactly the same to all things.

[–]SnacklePop 2 points3 points ago

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In my experience: moving, or doing something similar that radically changes your life usually brings only temporary reprieve. As soon as the person feels any point of idleness, the depression springs back.

Getting into a habit of non-stop radical changes (running) doesn't sound like it would be solving anything. It's always best to get help from specialists.

[–]Leshow -1 points0 points ago

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it sure solves the whole being dead bit.

[–]Ericakes 0 points1 point ago

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I have to agree. Part of what made me so depressed at more than one point in my life was this feeling of being trapped and stuck as if there was nothing I could do about my current situation and I hated myself and the world for it. This kind of optimism made me start changing things, and overall made me much happier about life..

[–]letsgocrazy -3 points-2 points ago

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I'd disagree - I'd suggest that people who want to kill themselves care about the pain they perceive themselves to be in.

On a slight variation of the OP's point, I'd say: why not just go and volunteer somewhere for a couple of months. See if starting a fresh in a different way solves it.

Stop wallowing, and make yourself useful.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago

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And so we see the difference between 4chan and Reddit.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Yes, you don't give a shit about anything, so you might as well go and seek entertainment instead of killing yourself in a banal and uninteresting way. Go get killed by a shark or North Korean soldiers--don't leave your car running in the garage. Total snoozefest.

[–]smift 35 points36 points ago

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You know what? I used to think like this too, what the fuck man, just fucking wait it out, it'll get better you know it always does you know? But how retarded can you be? You think people who do that are like you? Depression and shit is like being in love, you can't just turn it off and go watch the sunset... It's like telling junkies, Hey why don't you just stop taking drugs, it's so easy!

[–]ArecBardwin 13 points14 points ago

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Except he didn't say "just fucking wait it out". He said, "go be james bond."

[–]dhaugen 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think that's what he was implying. You're right about not being able to turn off depression, but you can get yourself out of your comfort zone and see how much more the world has to offer.

[–]PDK01 4 points5 points ago

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Not if you have depression.

[–]soop13 8 points9 points ago

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Maybe you forgot it takes money to do this stuff?

[–]Stealyphil1905 12 points13 points ago

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Decide to turn life around!

Forget that you have no money to do it.

Even more depressed than you were to begin with...

[–]bflizzle 8 points9 points ago*

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Idk. Maybe I'm different. I have had moderate to severe depression my whole life despite the great life I've had. I was born into a great upper middle class family. But what was there to be happy about? I went to a small high school where I played varsity basketball on a top 5 ranked 2A team in Texas. Being a small school this made me a god. I wasn't the star, but I played, and everyone just worshiped the ground we walked on.

I'm now finishing my Bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering debt free with a great reliable vehicle that was a gift from my parents. I have a great life ahead of me. I have a GREAT Girlfriend who was the manager of the basketball team in high school.

But none of these things remove that dark thing inside of me. I suppress it. I don't know if there is a cure or how effective meds are. All I know is I'm not taking the easy way out. I'm a goddamn man and I have a challenge in front of me and its time to go to work. So I work. I work hard. I work as hard as I can every day to keep me from thinking about the depression. I don't take meds. I just man up and face the world. I hear inside of me all the time, "none of it matters" but I just cant think anything other than "surely it does". I try my damnedest every day. I just work and focus and do things with people to keep the darkness away. Is it hard? Yes. Its hard. Its so hard. Sometimes its too much and I just kinda break down. But I lose it for a few hours every few months, sometimes its a year or sometimes its a few weeks. But its always the same. The darkness rolls in and I'm just consumed. Thats pretty much the only way to describe it.

But the next day, getting up and facing the world and going to work and learning things I HATE learning about is great. Not that I love the material, but the quantity of things out there, what there is to learn and to see. The idea that I have nothing to be happy about just makes me sick when I see all the opportunities I have. Maybe I'm just searching for something to be inspired about. Maybe I'm just a crazy person, something more than just being depressed, but it works.

Edit Oh and probably my greatest weapon is to NOT tell ANYONE about it. My parents know. My sister knows. The doc knows. Thats it.

[–]ejallison 1 point2 points ago

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If you have no "reason" to be depressed it's probably your brain being messed up... that's why meds work.

[–]aidaman 0 points1 point ago

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don't worry, be happy.

[–]chrom_ed 8 points9 points ago

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Turns out most people who are suicidal aren't totally rational.

[–]xTLx 3 points4 points ago

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A man with nothing left to lose is a very dangerous man.

[–]coheed256 4 points5 points ago

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"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

[–]axonxorz 2 points3 points ago

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I love banding chicks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I band chicks until my dick is raw.

[–]ashtraygirl 1 point2 points ago

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I'm not suicidal, but I am a Cure fan and those sound like some expensive journeys. If i wasn't suicidal to begin with, I would be after doing what needs to be done to get that kind of cash.

[–]donthavetodothis 1 point2 points ago

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I see a lot of people talking about this being complete bullshit, but as a person who suffers from major depression, reading this really does give that little push to go on a bit further. Most days, that's all I really need.

[–]ImBored_YoureAmorous 2 points3 points ago

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I swear I've seen this on here like 4 times in the past week. This was written by a bubbly do-gooder that's never felt actual pain.

[–]imhiggins 2 points3 points ago

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This is the dumbest fucking thing ever.

[–]Cid420 3 points4 points ago

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How old is the person who wrote this, 15? This shit doesn't make any since and this kid obviously doesn't understand how life works.

[–]TheLegionnaire 0 points1 point ago

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjJRm3dCBg

[–]Bertin 0 points1 point ago

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As an Spanish redditor after reading "move to barcelona", ME GUSTA

[–]vincent21212 0 points1 point ago

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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I keep seeing this post, and every-time the top replies are the same. Depression doesn't work that way. When are people going to learn that Depression doesn't work that way...!

[–]jonnyb347 0 points1 point ago

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I've been suicidal. I went skydiving, i flew a helicopter, i bought a motorcycle an topped it out fast as possible. I split between cars at 130mph, i fucked girls, i used condoms though i shoulda just made a bunch of babies., i didnt give a fuck about anything. now I have a girlfriend, i quit my dangerous job,sold my motorcycle, and i'm focusing on my health/sanity.

my suicidal tendencies don't come from depression though, they come from me literally losing my fucking mind an being sick with no cure in site. Everyday I wanna die but I keep going cause I know people love me and i love them, an I won't quit until this shit kills me.

I still am this way today, right now, this morning, tomorrow.

Fuck depression, that's nothing compared to what I deal with, imagine having no memory, no idea who you are, where you are, what you just did, if your in a dream or not, if anything is real. unable to feel your body, unable to feel emotion besides anger or fear/anxiety.

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I went skydiving, i flew a helicopter, i bought a motorcycle an topped it out fast as possible. I split between cars at 130mph, i fucked girls, i used condoms though i shoulda just made a bunch of babies., i didnt give a fuck about anything. now I have a girlfriend, i quit my dangerous job,sold my motorcycle, and i'm focusing on my health/sanity.

no memory, no idea who you are, where you are, what you just did, if your in a dream or not, if anything is real.

wat

[–]jonnyb347 -1 points0 points ago

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.....was that a question or what are you trying to say/ask?

I have a condition that affects me mentally.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I thought what I quoted was odd because they conflict.

But if what you say is true, I will pass along my apologies, if you redact your comment about depression. It my not be as serous as what ever you may be suffering from, but please don't diminish the pain actual depression can cause.

[–]jonnyb347 0 points1 point ago

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My bad, I know depression can be very serious at times. I've been stuck in it, an it's hard to get out of it despite what anyone says.

[–]sonicon 0 points1 point ago

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Suicidal? Try doing some psychedelics. It might change your mind.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I enjoy psychedelics but all the dark thoughts in my head feel so much heavier and have the tendency to repeat far more when I'm under the influence of shrooms or acid. Neither of them have helped me in conquering depression. Honestly, you shouldn't go into a trip if you're not in a good mindset beforehand.

[–]sonicon 0 points1 point ago

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Learn meditation before you do any type of tripping, it will help to be able to observe without thinking and judging. If trips from acid/shrooms is too long and strong for you, try a quick DMT trip, a happy weed trip, or a perspective shifting DPT trip. You might find meditation can fix your problems by itself. It also helps to gain some wisdom from gurus like Alan Watts(youtube/torrent it).

[–]DrewMcW 0 points1 point ago*

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I've heard of this song saving people from offing themselves. I think it expresses a similar albeit more "sensitive" message.

I don't agree with the notion that we must treat a depressed or suicidal person like a ticking time bomb. The only fail-safe way to save someone from suicide is to imprison them. It's not like professional therapists know some magic words that cure depressed people. Everyone basically knows therapy is an option, but most lives are saved by "regular" people.

Moreover, the viewpoint offered in the post is something "sane" folks ought to keep in mind as it could be something useful to turn to in times of despair. 

*added 3rd link

[–]hpliferaft 0 points1 point ago

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Why do people keep posting th- oh, it's r/4chan.

[–]BrawndoTTM/b/ -2 points-1 points ago

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That's actually good advice

[–]Leshow -3 points-2 points ago

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actual truth

[–]jay456[S] -4 points-3 points ago

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Crosspost

[–]doublezebra -5 points-4 points ago

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Nice!

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[–]Pixeleyes 4 points5 points ago

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Attempted suicides are often a cry for help. Suicide is the end of that cry.

[–]colld -5 points-4 points ago

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THIS IS NOT GOOD ADVICE! If you are suffering from suicidal thoughts seek help from a professional. Not some ignorant fuck on reddit.

[–]carny666 -2 points-1 points ago

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never gets old.

[–]tHeSiD -1 points0 points ago

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tl;dr OP is a Faggot

Why does everyone on 4chan has to call everyone on 4chan a faggot!?

[–]Transall 2 points3 points ago

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Because they're all faggots.

[–]electric_mayhem -1 points0 points ago

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nothing like killing a shark while fucked up on AIDS meds!

[–]tamerofretards -1 points0 points ago

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PLEASE REPOST THIS SHIT SOME MORE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT ENOUGH TODAY

[–]wes328 -4 points-3 points ago

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Very profound. This is excellent.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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This is one of my favorite posts in the history of 4chan. So true, and a rare case where 4chan's cynicism actually does some good.

[–]Nefeera -3 points-2 points ago

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This is 100% true. Suicide is extremely selfish. I know how fucking horrible depression is and I still think it's a terrible thing to do to your family/friends.

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