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[–][deleted] 213 points214 points ago

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Being depressed and having depression are not the same thing, and I wish people would realize this. Everyone gets depressed now and again, it's a normal and healthy part of life. Shit happens, and we feel bad, and get over it.

Having depression is not like that. Having depression is waking up in the morning and laying in bed all day, because "what's the point?". Having depression, is seeing joy in the world, and not feeling it. It's when everything you love is meaningless, and does nothing to make you happy. It's losing your job, because you don't smile enough. It's not being able to take care of yourself, because you're too tired from crying all the time.

Telling someone with depression to "get over it" is like telling someone with cancer that they "aren't trying hard enough to not have cancer". It's your fault for being depressed, because you just want attention.

Depression is like a cancer of the mind. It infects every thought, it spreads throughout your entire personality. Even when you have that moment of clarity, that one minute where it eases up, it's like having a tumor removed, but having the cancer cells left behind. It lingers, it comes back, it teases you. Depression tears you apart from the inside. It metastasizes throughout your social life. Your depression makes other people depressed, and like a gangrenous limb, they fall away from you. No one wants to be around you, because you bum them out, which puts you in a deeper depression. Then you just start avoiding everyone, because they can all see it in you, and they are all afraid that they are going to catch it.

When you get to the point of suicide, it's not that you stop caring. It's that you want the pain to stop. You're living in the terminal ward of your mind, and you just want someone to pull the plug. Part of you knows that people might miss you, but another, stronger part knows that your friends and family will get over it. You're just a burden to them. They can't live a fulfilling and happy life, because you drag them down. So you become convinced that their short term pain, will lead them to long term happiness. But all that really matters, is that you're not hurting anymore.

It's not about being a bitch about it, or not caring. It's about not wanting to spend every day of the rest of your natural life in mental agony.

[–]maddog3 17 points18 points ago

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You're just a burden to them.

This is why friends are SO DAMN important. Like most folks, I had my bad times in life, but for some reason those bad times sent me into a sort of depression. When you're depressed, you are a bore, and folks don't want to be around you. The funny part is... That's when you really need friends the most. I was in a different location and around new people that I thought cared about me. They didn't and I was left alone. This spiraled my depression even more.

It took me a long time (year and a half) but I eventually changed scenery, left my old life behind, and started a new one back home with my old and true friends around me. Only the change of location and time, worked.

It was then I swore I would never let anyone go through what I did, and not to be left alone.

...

Que many years later, an old, old, friend of mine that actually took pills for depression for many years got married and then quickly divorced. Right then and there I knew what he needed. Me... As a friend. Everyday for the next week I would stop by, and we would chat, and just hang out around the house.

I didn't try to take him away, that would be meaningless... But just having a friend and someone for him to talk to and talk it through meant everything. He never had to ask, I would just show up. I split time with another buddy who was coincidentally doing the same thing.

It was many many months later when he finally opened up about how much it meant to him, and even though he knew why we were doing it, he did appreciate it, despite not being able to say such during that time.

...

When you're depressed, you'll quickly find out who your "real" friends are. If you have a friend that is depressed... Please, please, please; be a real friend and stick with them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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People go on and on about how selfish suicide is.

I think it's selfish to expect someone to go on living in agony for your sake.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I believe that Bill Burr has a bit where he says that "life is like a movie, and if you've sat halfway through it, and it has sucked so far, then there isn't any indication that it's gonna get great in the last 10 minutes. If suicide was the cowards way out, everyone would do it".

[–]IthinktherforeIthink 16 points17 points ago

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r/bestof

[–]darkestunborn 1 point2 points ago

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As a man who's dealt with it for a while, I can say you've pretty much nailed it. Well done.

[–]TheAtomicPlayboy 1141 points1142 points ago

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That's not what depression is. Depression isn't something you can just snap out of. Depression is an overwhelming force that overcomes you and makes it impossible to even get out of bed. It's a weight around your neck that makes you unable to accomplish even small tasks.

When you sink into that hole you can't just "go on an adventure." Shit, you can't even make yourself eat. Nothing you used to love means anything to you anymore.

This is what depression is really like.

[–]HomemadeUsername 273 points274 points ago*

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If only I had another upvote for you.

I'll also add, that as far as the 'you don't give a shit about anyone' argument goes, it's not unusual for people who are depressed to the point of suicide to feel as though they'd be doing their friends and family a favor by ending their life. They feel like they've become a terrible burden, or that they're dragging the ones they love down with them. They may be perfectly aware that people will be upset by their death, on the flip side, they may feel that their loved ones will eventually get over it, and be happier/healthier/freer/in a better financial state with them gone. It's absolutely tragic, and odds are their friends and family would go through hell and back to keep them with them, but when you're depressed the fact that you're loved and worth keeping around can be impossible to understand.

Depression and suicidal feelings aren't like goddamn light switches you can just turn off. More often than not they're the result of things - trauma or grief or chemical imbalances - that are so much bigger than us, we need help to fight them.

Edit: Clarity.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points ago

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I always hate hate hate that argument, the one that always goes back to other people. Back when I was depressed, people just gave me the same old rant every time. I was selfish for having suicidal thoughts, and what about my family, what about my friends? No one ever made it about ME, it was always about EVERYONE ELSE'S feelings. It made me feel worse. It felt like no one really gave a shit or cared about even relating in the slightest. I'm not depressed any more, but I still get angry over that, knowing that when I tried hard to open up to people when I was at my worst, nobody would address my depression, the only thing that was tearing me apart.

[–]StayingTilNextCawDay 16 points17 points ago

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The feelings of those you love can so easily be explained away too. In my darkest of days I might think:

"well of course they might cry or it might suck, but they'd get over it in a year (if that) and it wouldn't be that big a deal anymore. If they knew in advance? They'd try to stop me. A stranger would try to stop me. Most normal people with or without compassion would probably try to do something, because what kind of person wouldn't try to stop someone from killing themselves? That's normal, I can expect it and it wouldn't mean I was any more special or loved."

I remember once thinking I'd need something surprising to flip the switch or snap me out of it. Having someone special try to beat me up, etc. In the end, it was just a storm that had to be weathered with some effort.

[–]ohpeerm 16 points17 points ago

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when you're depressed the fact that you're loved and worth keeping around can be impossible to understand.

Not only that, but it can often feel like a burden. As if their love comes with conditions and expectations for your future. This can suddenly feel like a lot of weight to bear. The very thing that is meant to help you can drive you further to the edge.

[–]sarcelle 8 points9 points ago

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This is so true. Literally anything positive can be twisted into something horrible when you're wearing depression goggles. "They care about me? I'm hurting them anyway when they see me so fucked up all the time."

[–]BathroomEyes 66 points67 points ago

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exactly! people just don't understand because they've never gone through the kind of mental anguish and personal hell that clinical depression elicits.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points ago

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A person with those thoughts feels like he's dead already, way passed the "let's change my life" station, dead for weeks, months sometimes years.

Edit: But your not offcourse, and killing yourself is not the solution, your stuck in a tunnel and need help to get out; accept it when it comes around.

[–]hmasing 11 points12 points ago

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I wish my friend Jason had taken this advice.

It was a year ago in September that most of us learned that he had been struggling with depression most of his life...

I miss you, buddy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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I'm with you. My friend had apparently struggled with depression, among other mental illnesses, for much of his life but managed to keep it hidden.

He was too damn smart to give us signals I guess, the world will forever be a worse place without him... In 9 days it'll have been 5 years since I lost one of my best friends.

Any of you depressed people, you will be missed. It's not the same without you.

[–]kilcunda 1 point2 points ago*

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I just found out two days ago that a good kid I knew in primary school had ended his life - and about a month before that a friend's brother did exactly the same... His sisters had absolutely no idea of what he was going through, it struck them so suddenly and unexpectedly...

I wish there were more people who could emphasize with the pain and anguish people like Jason go through. I wish there was the education out there to show people that depression is a disease, not something that can simply be thrown away with the click of a finger - and that there's nothing wrong with someone crying or opening up just because they're supposed to be a 'man' and somehow magically 'deal with it'.

I'm so sorry for your loss hmasing. Thank you for sharing.

[–]fiat_lux_ 35 points36 points ago*

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They may be perfectly aware that people will be upset by their death, on the flip side, they may feel that their loved ones will eventually get over it, and be happier/healthier/freer/in a better financial state with them gone.

This was the case for me when I was suicidal.

The OP talked about traveling the world. Leave the country? Barcelona? With what money? Why be even more of a burden to my family? Whatever money I have, I should leave it to them instead of selfishly wasting it on myself (especially since I was already feeling so worthless). At least then, I'd be able to squeeze some worth out of myself for others.

One of the only things keeping me from ending it all was my uncertainty over what would be worse for my friends/family... my continued existence as a burden to them or a suicide? Both would have been incredibly shameful. It was torture.

I'm happy for the 4chan OP that he can live life so carefree, but it's plainly obvious that he doesn't sympathize and can't understand. To be honest, I have a hard time sympathizing/understanding him as well. Even in my current non-suicidal state, I find his ideas to be a selfish.

If he could run away without spending a penny, that might make more sense, but I tried that once and got caught by the police (parents called the cops because they were worried) and only ended up bringing more shame to the family as well as being a burden on society by wasting an officer's time. So in the end, his proposals are either selfish or unrealistic.

In fact, I have a hard time imagining depressed/suicidal people with that same "fuck it all" attitude that the OP has. Frankly, I think depressed/suicidal people are that way because of shame and guilt. That is to say, they usually aren't the self-centered types. Other people's opinions, situations, even well-being matter. Shame and guilt aren't exactly things you can run away from by going off on a self-centered trip to find yourself. The pessimist in me thinks that the OP just wanted to sound or feel cool about himself.

TL;DR: Good for you OP. You've clearly demonstrated (as you've acknowledged yourself) that you don't understand people who are suicidal and depressed.

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[–]DerptasticFilms 3 points4 points ago

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Brooks was here.

[–]lynzee 1 point2 points ago

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So was Red

[–]veni_vidi_defui 21 points22 points ago

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Thanks, I've seen the pic and the response pic before here on Reddit and I'm glad in a sense that they are here again.

And I'm sorry if you had to post it because you are familiar with it, because it sucks.

I had a job, a great girlfriend, family that supported me and still my thoughts were constantly directed to imagining how it would be to drive an ice-pick in my ear and stir up my brain just to make it stop.

After much screwing up I decided that I just couldn't be around other people as I can't match my first intention of trying to be nice to people with the fact that I am totally unreliable as I will avoid everything when I'm down and get in trouble because of that and then just flat out lie, just to avoid things some more.

(Yeah I might be more than just depressed at times, don't bother.)

[–]vintervila 3 points4 points ago

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Wow I'm glad I'm not alone in having this constant feeling of wanting to "make it stop" by horrible means. I'm so ashamed of these thoughts, i can hardly even talk to my psychiatrist about it.

[–]veni_vidi_defui 1 point2 points ago

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I didn't see your comment earlier, sorry.

As you can see by the upvotes you are not alone.

It's hard to admit that we are limited by what our brain is capable of, especially in a world where we are told we can be everything we want to be.

I have had good times in the past and have experienced how it is to just do it and take care of things, inspire other people and so on.

And I know that if you have only experienced the normal situation, you won't be able to understand how fortunate you are that your brain is balanced enough to have the willpower, focus and spirit to deal with your life.

Thoughts and feelings aren't independent from each other and deeply connected to very primitive survival systems.

And that's where it usually goes wrong for humans, a combination of lacking performance of the prefrontal cortex in combination with an overstimulated amygdala.

Anyway, just wanted to say take care and hope you find some balance.

[–]karateandfriendship 20 points21 points ago

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Thank you. I actually attempted to do what this guy is suggesting. Went on a two-month camping trip in the deep woods, planned with my friends despite being, in secret, severely depressed for at least two years beforehand. I was hoping that nature and hard work would give me the kick in the ass I thought I needed. Turns out that though the setting is important, and nature is powerful, it won't make you better until you can also communicate to other human beings about what's going on in your own personal prison. If you don't open up with anyone, you'll continue to feel alone and shitty no matter what you're forcing yourself to do. In the end, my once-in-a-lifetime adventure was awful; I couldn't enjoy it in the first place so it was never going to cure me.

[–]NightlyNews 11 points12 points ago

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Getting better is an adventure in a way, but fuck nature. Fuck a cross country tour. Fuck bars. Fuck nightclubs. Fuck anything you consider interesting or cool. If your depressed it won't be interesting. It won't be cool.

Going to an asylum or anywhere else you can get help from people with degrees will be more than enough adventure than you can handle.

In the end a story about how you came to understand and change yourself will always be more interesting. It's a shame that many people who have gone through clinical depression don't like talking about it. Getting help could easily be one of the most interesting things that ever happens to you.

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[–]Transceiver 11 points12 points ago

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The weird thing is, someone who is depressed would much rather have a smashed up hand than continue being depressed.

[–]ohpeerm 7 points8 points ago*

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Hmm, not sure if this is entirely true. A depressed person also, counter-intuitively, has an attachment to his depression. It provides a safe cocoon of apathy and being able to isolate yourself from the fear of facing life head on. Depression is a defence mechanism, initiated by fear.

Edit for clarity: This is not to say depression is a cop out or an excuse in any way. It is very real and extremely debilitating. What I am talking about is going on at a much deeper level, and acted out unconsciously.

[–]thatthatguy 1 point2 points ago

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Depression is like being in a deep hole. It's bad down there, dark, dirty, wallowing in your own filth. Climb out is hard, and you know (have convinced yourself) no one will help you (because you're dirty and too weak to climb out on your own). You'll build up some courage, climb a bit. But when you slip, or arms get tired or whatever and you fall again, it takes time before being ready to try to climb again. It's easy to think that the bottom of the hole is better than trying to climb out.

[–]fiat_lux_ 1 point2 points ago

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The thing is, depressed people will often have their own reasons for being depressed. It can be counterintuitive for depressed people to understand that depression/bipolar disorder can be physiologically triggered, not necessarily correlated to their perceived failures.

Genie: I can either cure your depression or your smashed up hand.

Depressed Guy: Does curing my depression mean that I'll stop being bullied / have a higher GPA / get a job / grow a few inches taller / lose a lot more weight... ?

Genie: No... I'll just remove your depression.

Depressed Guy: What the fuck, dude? How is that going to help? Just cure my hand please.

[–]Gareth321 11 points12 points ago

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"I know how you feel. I had a paper cut the other day. It killed. I just didn't dwell on it".

That hit home. People can never seem to be able to understand depression unless they've had it. They can only relate to their relatively minor inconveniences.

[–]spartaaaa 7 points8 points ago

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Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky, posits that depression is the most damaging disease that you can experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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This. I wish everyone could watch this it truly would dispel this ignorance.

[–]nathmath 43 points44 points ago

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Thank you for this. Although I see the wisdom in OP's sentiment, it really doesn't work like this.

[–]fricken 63 points64 points ago

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Which is to say then, that it's not a very wise sentiment.

[–]hasslefree 5 points6 points ago

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Empathy fail.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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Hear, hear. That comic strip was almost perfect, too; I thought it would have worked just as fine without the last panel making it explicit, but I suppose the author thought was that much more important to get through the really thick skulls.

[–]Then_He_Said 2 points3 points ago

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I knew that link was going to be that comic...

Totally correct on the depression. And it's a lack of this understanding that prevents people from helping their friends and family members with depression

[–]imperialxcereal 3 points4 points ago

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Ouch.

I know that feel bro. :(

[–]pmarie 9 points10 points ago

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I've never been more proud to see you at the top of a thread ever

[–]TheAtomicPlayboy 4 points5 points ago

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Thanks pumpkin.

[–]pumpkinjello 4 points5 points ago

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Do I know you...?

[–]TheAtomicPlayboy 17 points18 points ago

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Yes. I stabbed you in the face and then pulled out your insides.

[–]stinkytaco 1 point2 points ago

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So... this thread went from insightful to disturbing. How are you?

[–]Jurynelson 1 point2 points ago

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4chan, bro.

4chan.

[–]mesosorry 1 point2 points ago

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What advice would you give a friend who is depressed? Say there were an extra panel in that comic with one of his friends that wasn't just telling him to get over it or that they know how it feels, what would they say?

[–]jock724 2 points3 points ago

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Thank you.

[–]Jokrmein 1 point2 points ago

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Whatever you say, Vice Admiral...

[–]sandollars 1 point2 points ago

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Piggybacking on your high comment to mention that this has actually been tried. It was thoroughly documented by the person, but its been censored out of existence by Tumblr.

Mark Rife still has two videos on Vimeo though http://vimeo.com/27902552

[–]yhelothere 1 point2 points ago

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Sounds like a massive hangover.

[–]adamcsay 0 points1 point ago*

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bingo. my best friend linked me to this image once. i felt like he was basically implying i should just get over my problems and do something with my life for once. like i should just use it as an excuse to go on a vacation. heh.

[–]1Avion1 1 point2 points ago

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This same picture was posted 7 months ago, and someone responded with this.

[–]DanielKlavitz 1 point2 points ago

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I knew this all seemed so familiar...

[–]reddiquettePolice 1 point2 points ago

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If your hand is smashed up, you might want to go to the hospital or doctor.

[–]MagicalTrevor09 20 points21 points ago

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... Are you aware of how analogies work?

[–]Nodonn226 13 points14 points ago

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I think that was an analogy. If you're depressed, go see a doctor. They won't help 100% of the time, but still help sometimes.

[–]nanto 12 points13 points ago

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they're like digitalies but can express non binary information

[–]jennaberry 117 points118 points ago

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The only problem is that when I'm feeling suicidal I don't even want to leave my bed, let alone the country.

[–]paperjapan 38 points39 points ago

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Whenever this happens, I get dressed in everyday clothes before getting back into bed. It makes me feel like I've at least accomplished something. Embarrassing to admit but maybe it will benefit in some way.

[–]oif 17 points18 points ago

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At my worst, getting dressed was an accomplishment that sapped my strength for hours. I'm not depressed now and hope to god I never am again, not like that. My number one symptom was not depressed mood but bone-crushing fatigue. I could keep functioning with everything else, the mood stuff, the bleak outlook, the intrusive thoughts; but the fatigue made life stop.

[–]AnotherWorthlessFuck 2 points3 points ago

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i sleep in my everyday clothes to save myself the trouble of getting dressed in the morning.

[–]Shadowlady 1 point2 points ago

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People know.

[–]AnotherWorthlessFuck 1 point2 points ago

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what.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Same here. You're never going to see someone who's suicidal start going off about carpe diem and trying to do something fun. I've dealt with depressed people before. You literally have to drag them outside just to get them to eat.

[–]mountainjew 1 point2 points ago

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Exactly why this is a load of horseshit.

[–]space_island 222 points223 points ago

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This shit is seriously ignorant, depression does not work that way. You can't go out and live a carefree life because you decided you want to die. You want to die because every waking moment you are trapped in endless cycles of self loathing. It saps your energy, your creativity, your will to get out of bed to just brush your teeth and eat some breakfast. It is all consuming emptiness. You don't feel like yourself, you feel like you have a hole in your being. You feel like you are worthless. You hate the things you used to love, you cannot do the things you used to excel at. It is a nightmare.

What this person thinks you should do is the complete opposite of what it is like to suffer from depression. This level of ignorance is infuriating.

[–]viciousbreed 24 points25 points ago

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Amen on the, "saps your creativity" part. Still trying to figure out how "tortured artists" did it.

[–]capn_of_outerspace 54 points55 points ago

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Manic episodes. They were all bipolar.

[–]brunswick 1 point2 points ago

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Yup. During my manic episodes, I can write pretty amazingly. The only problem is that I start doing really crazy shit at the same time...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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drugs.

[–]munkinstein 14 points15 points ago

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This a thousand times. Though I would add that people tend to kill themselves when they come out of a depression, just as they are starting to feel better. This is because they now have the motivation to actually do something. Of course this has just been my experience, so I am no way claiming this as authoritative.

[–]vendaval 1 point2 points ago

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Or possibly they start feeling better because they see an end to their suffering. I'm not sure which comes first.

[–]delightfullycracked 3 points4 points ago*

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It's the end to their suffering. Once you've really decided, well, fuck, nothing that happens to you from that moment on really matters. You set a date and time and damn if it's not like waiting for Christmas.

Edit: This is why one of the warning signs when working with the clinically depressed is sudden happiness or a complete 180 in outlook. Their depression hasn't magically lifted and it's very likely they've got a working plan of how they're going to end their lives.

[–]mydadsarse 3 points4 points ago

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Absolutely, the guy is seriously naive, his whole solution is to basically take a holiday, no real understanding of depression at all!

[–]wansari88 119 points120 points ago

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Imagine yourself in a burning building on the 100th floor, there is no escape but a window. Your options are to either burn to death, or to jump. Obviously jumping would a much less painful experience.

For someone who is clinically depressed, being alive for them is like being burned alive in that scenario. It's not that they don't see the joy in life or feel like there is nothing to live for, its that the pain of being alive is too much to handle and they feel that ending it is the only way to bring relief to them. A lot of the times they cannot even pinpoint the reason the way they feel, they just feel it.

This is an interesting point of view, but its obviously from someone who has never been clinically depressed.

[–]apathyinternational 78 points79 points ago

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“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flame yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don‘t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”

-David Foster Wallace

That's a man who really understood exactly why the OP has no idea what he's talking about. And for him, the flames got too hot.

[–]wansari88 13 points14 points ago

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Interesting, the person who explained it to me must of been referencing Wallace. Much better than what I wrote.

[–]quaak 9 points10 points ago

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Was really hoping to find this quote here … Thought I'd just add this (from Infinite Jest):

»‘When people call it that I always get pissed off because I always think depression sounds like you just get like really sad, you get quiet and melancholy and just like sit quietly by the window sighing or just lying around. A state of not caring about anything. A kind of blue kind of peaceful state.’

‘Well this’ — she gestured at herself— ‘isn’t a state. This is a feeling. I feel it all over. In my arms and legs.’ ‘That would include your carp—your hands and feet?’ ‘All over. My head, throat, butt. In my stomach. It’s all over everywhere. I don’t know what I could call it. It’s like I can’t get enough outside it to call it anything. It’s like horror more than sadness. It’s more like horror. It’s like something horrible is about to happen, the most horrible thing you can imagine — no, worse than you can imagine because there’s the feeling that there’s something you have to do right away to stop it but you don’t know what it is you have to do, and then it’s happening, too, the whole horrible time, it’s about to happen and also it’s happening, all at the same time.’

‘So you’d say anxiety is a big part of your depressions.’ It was now not clear whether she was responding to the doctor or not. ‘Everything gets horrible. Everything you see gets ugly. Lurid is the word. Doctor Carton said lurid, one time. That’s the right word for it. And everything sounds harsh, spiny and harsh‐sounding, like every sound you hear all of a sudden has teeth. And smelling like I smell bad even after I just got out of the shower. It’s like what’s the point of washing if everything smells like I need another shower.’«

[–]apathyinternational 3 points4 points ago

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No one ever wrote so lyrically about modern depression. His was a ferocious depression, but he used it so well while he had the chance.

[–]quaak 2 points3 points ago

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Indeed, indeed. If you'd like to discuss DFW and stay in the loop concerning DFW trivia, neat tidbits like interviews or so, discussions and possible new publications, why don't you join us over at r/davidfosterwallace ? :)

[–]madethisnameforthis 2 points3 points ago

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so much this. i was trying to explain depression earlier. i said its like you know life can be fun, and you want to have fun, but its more like a chore, something you are dragging yourself through for no real reason. its like a constant pressure on your entire being, and all you want is to feel better, but then you end up having an anxiety attack in the middle of panera bread.

[–]segoli 42 points43 points ago

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This fucking post, again? This is basically equivalent to telling a person in a wheelchair to just get up and do a few somersaults because then they'll see how fun it is to have full motion.

In other words, it's unhelpful bullshit designed to make people with easier lives feel helpful.

[–]Helplessromantic 4 points5 points ago

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As someone who has struggled with depression, it's hardly the same as being wheelchair bound.

Going out and doing things you dont normally do is a good way to fight depression.

[–]X17 1 point2 points ago

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This

[–]mr_capable 136 points137 points ago

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[–]Dialaninja 30 points31 points ago

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Every once in awhile some real wit sparkles through on 4chan

[–]bradygilg 10 points11 points ago

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Some real wit is copied and pasted from bash.org.

[–]manboat 5 points6 points ago

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To be fair they're probably the same people that made the original bash.org comment

[–]SureillBuildThat 6 points7 points ago

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Also... 20 advil won't fucking kill you.

[–]Pizzaboxpackaging 6 points7 points ago

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Not a doctor, but It could cause some serious damage to your liver, complications from that could ultimately cause a very slow and painful death.

[–]Throwawaytime000 4 points5 points ago

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I believe you're thinking of Tylenol which is much more toxic in overdose and specifically hits the liver. 20 which could be 7000 mg would probably do you in and would inevitably do liver damage.

[–]R4SK0L 103 points104 points ago

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Yeah, if only suicidal people were thinking clearly, right?

[–]misterrager 16 points17 points ago*

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I would get myself euthanized if euthanasia became legalized and I could die without it hurting. I could do it through another painless way but whatever, too much work. It's not that I'm not thinking clearly or anything it's just...

Basically when I wake up in the morning the first thought in my head is "oh, this place again." And then I slowly remember who I am...momentarily consider why I'm me at all...momentarily ponder the absurdity of existence at all. Why the hell does anything exist, I ask myself.

Then things start feeling weird, like a dream. The fact that I have eyes is just so surreal; I can fucking see shit. Where is this image being projected? It's just there, I can percieve it right there around me, immersing me in its environment. But where the fuck am I? These thoughts running through my head...I am hearing them now. But not quite. How am I perceiving my thoughts? What a peculiar sensation. So absurd.

Then I recall who I am, the things I do, the things I have "to do" that day like school, work, etc. And I ask why? I've awoken in this immersive 3D environment, that I and others call reality...but what truly is it, and why should I take it seriously at all?

It feels like a chore to exist at all, a constant state of uncomfortableness. I feel constantly detached from my body and life feels like I'm viewing a movie in first-person. That is, I'm just observing all my own bodily actions, as well as everything around me.

So tell me, do I sound crazy? Depressed? Am I still logical and coherent? I just am truly curious how prevalent feelings like these are in the human condition.

edit: nvm, embrace the absurdity etc. lose yourself in it. why? because fuck it man, here I am. may as well see how the story plays out.

[–]TheKingofLiars 7 points8 points ago*

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Been there for quite a while myself, friend. It's basically exactly as you described it, although at times you get a bit of shame and unrelenting guilt or grief that seeps its way in and stirs up the unending bitter melancholy.

The pointlessness--that's what gets to you after a certain point, when your brain is chemically as unbalanced as it can get before breaking. You've gone through all the "problems" that have brought you to depression, and which continue to keep you here, and then you start to rediscover very simple, basic things, things like eyes, and thoughts, and concepts, and fuck, existence... And you ask yourself, why? And after that, why this? I'm thinking. I'm conscious matter, Goddamnit! I am experiencing and apparently alive, a living entity, and this is the world? This asinine, pointless shit, with all its problems and assholes and beauty and wonder which we so eagerly want to just fuck up? But you're too buried under miles upon countless miles of grey muck to really do much else but look at it.

You become frozen. Happiness comes in small delights, if at all. Here and there, little spurts of something not entirely wretched, a foolish smile, a stupid joke, but even then, that doesn't counterbalance what has, at this point, quite literally become you. You wonder what happiness means. You wonder how any of us is or can ever really be happy. All the while these thoughts are just mulling about on the surface in an incoherent cloud--they're there, certainly, but they've become more than that, they get into your gears, they clog you up. You might remember what first got you here, to "depression"--but now all that seems so far away, possibly silly, even, because you've grown so distant from it, you've found new holes to burrow into and dark little crannies into which you can sink your fibrous roots, and now you're trapped in this place. Everything outside loses its light, eventually. Maybe you can still see some of it, in the glow of people's faces or a good movie or the stars at night when you're not near a bright city, but it's out of your reach.

It should go without saying that all this time you've been fantasizing about your death; there are other things, normal fantasies, and some more specific to you, but it all comes back to that, to death. At first it's almost exciting, guilty though it makes you feel. It starts out as a story, an I would never really go that far, ha ha and suddenly it becomes the only remaining option, now it's just a matter of when, and how. Then the theatrics stop. The self-pity and loathing stop. The worries vanish. The dream ends and you wake up, only it's not what you think. Now it's real, and here you are, and God how could I have fallen so fucking far...? Only there is no God, of course, how could there be? And you come right back to your initial rediscovery of the basics, to your first, deep why. But this time, it's not why this society or why this set of physical laws, or even why me. This time it's why not. Why Not nothing? What matters? And if nothing, why not become that? What began as symptoms of something swallow you up, like gravity, and you've burned through all the heavier elements right up to and surpassing iron. You strip away everything that gave the world order and meaning, but even then, the pain never goes away.

I guess it's a little like that.

Edit: some grammar and I'm sorry for such a long post

[–]glaux 1 point2 points ago

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You do not sound crazy to me. I can relate to much of what you are talking about, I know that feeling. And I know that it is possible to accept it and move on. You should consider talking to someone about it as you could have a depression of some sort. And btw make sure you don't have vitamin D deficiency.

[–]lambcaseded 1 point2 points ago

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I completely understand your though process because I spent many years thinking the way you do. And then I went through a period where I had several people I know commit suicide and lost other various family and friends. I mean, I had a really, really fucking shitty patch for about 6-7 years.

And after seeing what suicide does to everyone around you, I realized that I couldn't or wouldn't do that. I mean, life isn't that long anyway, I might as well just live it out and see what happens. And through a series of baby steps, starting with simply deciding that I wasn't going to kill myself, I'm in the process of grabbing life by the fucking balls and yanking as hard as I can. Fuck it. Life is short and completely pointless... and that's what's SO great about it. You don't have to be here for very long, and what you do here probably isn't going to matter all that much. WHAT A LIBERATING FEELING.

I'm telling you, stop wasting your time because you're never going to get it back. Put on some running shoes and go get your lazy ass in shape. Get in ridiculous shape. Grab a guitar and learn the motherfucking shit out of that thing. Never put it down. Go buy an old, rusty Mustang and put every ounce of sweat, muscle and money you have into it. Drive it like you're James Fucking Dean.

Life is weird. Life is shitty and depressing and bad shit happens on a fairly constant basis. But you're stuck here for now, so you might as well do something. Once you get started, you'll be amazed at what can happen.

[–]James__Smith 17 points18 points ago

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So if you want to die you obviously don't give a shit.

Actually, it's the complete opposite. People feel suicidal when they care so much about something that dying seems less painful than things going wrong.

Ninja edit: i understand that the sentiment of the post is "if things suck then at least i have nothing to lose," but i don't think this is generally helpful to suicidal/depressed people.

[–]VoodooPygmy 8 points9 points ago

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Yeah, I'm sure the suicidal quadriplegic living in daily unbearable pain is gonna escape all his problems by taking a vacation. Good advice.

[–]nobody_from_nowhere 2 points3 points ago

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Finally physical pain. Experienced something years ago where I was in so much physical pain I finally understood people choosing suicide.

Not long after that, a friend started battling depression. Still don't completely grok that one, but accept it like any other clinical diagnosis.

[–]Kinbensha 15 points16 points ago

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I've seen this lots of times, and it's incredibly misinformed. People who aren't suicidal or depressed don't understand how it works. You can't just say, "Dude, I don't care if I die. I'm going to go be awesome now." That's not how brain chemicals work. It literally makes you wake up, look at the ceiling, and think, "I really have no reason to move. I think I'll just lie here and think about how much everything sucks."

[–]TooSexyForMyKayak 51 points52 points ago

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The first time this was posted, we already went around how stupid it is, and basically an insult to people with mental issues. There's no reason to bring this shit up again.

[–]Prcrstntr 12 points13 points ago

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tl;dr OP is a faggot

[–]neurorootkit 25 points26 points ago

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Imagine if I started talking about how a LED case fan makes your CPU run faster. Or how god must exist because Einstein might be wrong about the speed of light. Or that math is stupid because every phone has a calculator. Or evolution is wrong because we do not have flying hamsters.

That is what this sounds like to anyone who suffers from depression or anyone who is trained in dealing with it. It's beyond fucking retarded, and I don't understand why it keeps getting reposted. Reddit doesn't generally tolerate such ill informed BS in any other subject, yet anything I see here regarding psychology is typically Cosmo/Oprah quality.

[–]unreasonableChild 4 points5 points ago

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I think if you want to disappear, you don't really want the world as your oyster.

[–]MediumPace 35 points36 points ago

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This is repost. One of the dozen or so 4chan threads repeatedly posted here a week. Stop
resubmitting the same crap and then whine at the lack or original content on reddit. War
veterans are often very suicidal. In fact the suicide rate of US vets is quite high. Shipping
off to war seems to have a permanent and usually negative lasting effect on you. Retards
who spout nonsense about going "James Bond" in lieu of suicide are just crazy. On 4chan
the more bizarre you are the more attention you get, but this post is a joke.

[–]viciousbreed 8 points9 points ago

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Thank you for living up to your, "always read me" RES tag.

[–]glitchn 1 point2 points ago

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I dont think I understand this one. Stop War Shipping Retards On 4Chan. errr wut?

[–]roflz 14 points15 points ago

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You and 4chan clearly haven't a fucking clue what depression or suicidal thoughts are.

Yes, you and that anon are "balanced" in one way, but completely ignorant.

If it weren't for that fact that this shit has an effect on people's lives it wouldn't matter- but it does. Cut the crap. Grow up. Learn.

[–]Eldorian 3 points4 points ago

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Gonna band me some chicks man.

[–]PeacekeeperAl 2 points3 points ago

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How do I band a chick?

[–]finally_fixed 4 points5 points ago

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I never understood depression or why someone would want to kill themselves until I did this shit called "Charge." Kinda like legal coke.

On the comedown, I was on the verge of tears constantly. When my friends left to go home for the night, I felt like I was the only person left in the world. I thought about my future- school, work, friends, and I just thought, "whats the point?" All I did was sit there looking at the ground, thinking life was shit.

I'm sure what I felt was only a tiny percent of the whole effects of actual depression. Reading this shit from 4chan, though.. this person hasn't once been remotely depressed.

[–]psiphre 8 points9 points ago

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more like 4chan completely misunderstands clinical depression.

[–]Atemis 12 points13 points ago

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more ignorance being passed around like it's a good idea

[–]Jesus_luvs_Jenkem 8 points9 points ago

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This again?

[–]TheVacillate 18 points19 points ago

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I'm torn about this.

It's oddly inspirational, in a way. It makes a person think. One of the most frustrating things about some of the things people have said here in these comments is the hinting that those who are depressed can't think, and can't make decisions that better themselves.

Reading something like this, even from 4chan, can be the catalyst someone needs to get help. Call someone. Call a friend, a parent, a sibling, a doctor. It may not suddenly inspire them to go on the great adventure described, but it IS a good way to point out that there are people who will be hurt by the aftermath.

Depression is not an endless black hole. There is help to be had, one just needs to reach out for it, and find it. Small steps are better than no steps. The emotion behind these words are just that: DO something. There is help. There's always help.

[–]Nodonn226 6 points7 points ago

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You're perfectly right. I'm unsure why people downvoted you. "This guy says depressed people can get help! FUCK HIM!"

[–]TheVacillate 5 points6 points ago

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Honestly? It's hard to see that there IS help when they're in the grips of depression, so I can understand how it can feel. Some people feel alone, unable to reach out, afraid to be seen as weak, or terrified that the people they go to will be unwilling to give the help sought after.

So I can understand why people downvoted me, but I hope that there are people who can and will understand that it can get better. Medicine, therapy, and life changes can help. Tiny little things can make or break a person when they're in that mode, and hearing 'it can get better' when it hasn't been for them? Well. That can induce anger.

I've thought a lot about this, can you tell? hah

[–]deityofchaos 2 points3 points ago

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Another things to add in is at least at first for me, I felt as though I were broken and it was something to be ashamed of to have clinical depression. I'd try to hide it and not tell anyone I was feeling depressed. Once I recognized I was not alone, and it was genetics that had caused my depression (after a bit of family research, all along my mom's side of the family were people with severe depression) I was finally able to get clinical help. When I finally told my doctor, it wasn't something I wanted to do, but I knew it was something I had to do in order to take my life back.

[–]Joon01 1 point2 points ago

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Because that's not what it says. It says that people who are suicidal should just have a big ol' adventure like Indiana Jones and The Hangover put together and that'll fix things!

Which is fucking moronic. It shows a complete and utter lack of understanding for a suicidal state of mind. It is the equivalent of saying to a heroin addict, "You should just quit. Take up a better hobby. Go ride your bike the next time you want to shoot up." Well, holy fuck, sweet advice! I didn't know we could skip all the way to end in one step!

[–]szchm 1 point2 points ago

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Depression is not an endless black hole.

Why go to all the trouble of escaping it if you can't remember what happiness feels like? There's no guaranteed payoff, just a nebulous promise of something "better".

[–]Sir_Walken 6 points7 points ago

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Fuck off. If depression was this simple then it wouldn't be a big problem would it?

[–]throwawaytastics 2 points3 points ago*

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As someone with severe chronic depression, I have mixed feelings about this 4Chan quote. I do actually think that modest progress can be made in a person's well-being even while in a depressed state by enjoying new experiences. You can probably go from a -10 to a -5 happiness level by actively searching for fun things to do and expanding your horizons. You probably won't be broadly happy, but you can make some small inroads in your depressive state.

In order to be truly happy, however, I needed medication. At the end of the day, depression really just a physical dysfunction that should be treated like any other medical illness. I think the most appropriate comparison of my taking of antidepressants is similar to a diabetic's taking of insulin.

[–]viciousbreed 1 point2 points ago

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I like your use of negative numbers for the happiness (or lack thereof) scale, but dislike the diabetes/insulin comparison. But that's probably just because I've had such little luck with prescription antidepressants. I don't think diabetics have to try a dozen different types of insulin at various dosages before one works, then experience the heartbreak when the one that finally worked stops working. :\

Unless they do, and then I retract my statement.

[–]vinfx 2 points3 points ago

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When you are depressed, putting distance between you and others isn't going to change the fact you are depressed. Depression doesn't originate from others. It's internal. You can't run away from it because no matter where you go it's always there. It would be like trying to run away from your shadow.

You also don't care about anything. People. Causes. The world. All you want is for the pain to stop. There is nothing else on your mind. All you think about all day, every day is how painful life feels. There is no pause button. You can't stop thinking about it because the depression is caused by your faulty mind.

[–]Richie311 2 points3 points ago

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OH hey guys, dont worry you can just travel and cure your depression. Can't believe I've been worrying about all the shit in my life for so long, when I can just travel and cure it.

Thanks 4chan.

[–]RedLeader7 2 points3 points ago

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Because going on a wild adventure does not take away the pain of your child dying, wife leaving you, disease etc... It sounds great in theory, but really this comment is a crock of shit.

[–]szchm 2 points3 points ago

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No. That's not how depression works. Moving to Barcelona will feel the same as moving to New York, or Canberra, or Johannesburg. Watching the snow whirl around you when you're standing at the peak of Mount Everest might give you a slight tingle, but it won't bring you happiness, because you basically can't feel any. The neurochemicals that communicate those feelings aren't functioning properly. And even if going on an "adventure" would make you happy, but you won't physically be able to most of those things, due to lack of energy.

And here's the clincher: "sometimes i wish i was suicidal" - whoever wrote this has probably never even been depressed, let alone suicidal. What he wrote is beyond nonsensical garbage.

[–]joeanon 2 points3 points ago

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This is summed up perfectly... in the mind of a 12 year old perhaps. People are suicidal for a reason and this guy seems to not care/realize this.

I get what he is saying or even attempting, but when a personal is suicidal they can't find happiness in all the little things. Rarely does suicide come from just the simple boredom of not getting out of the house. It takes years of bad social decisions and YES a major life change is a good start for someone in that situation, but they probably no longer have the motivation or hope to go that route.

Also just because you suicidal doesn't mean you don't care about people. Many times caring about people is what drives suicide whether it be you trying to live up to your parents expectations or obsessed over a lost love or friend. Love, and it's many complications, is among the most common reason to kill yourself.

I say if people want to kill themselves let them. We are disposable and recyclable. There is no shortage of humans and unless you believe it damns you to hell or some similar place it should be like.. oh well John stepped out of life. At least he is in far less misery now.

Living with mental torment is no less painful than living with physical pain. Most people believe someone on chronic pain should be allowed to chose to die. Why would it be any different for mental pain? Sure we can load either one up on drugs to help they ignore reality, but that is no way to live. Mental illnesses are not commonly cured either and tend to get worse as we get older.

It may seem sad, but if someone just isn't fit for life and everyday is painful we shouldn't hold them back from suicide. We can recommend other options, but I think for most people you aren't going to see a major change. In younger people it shouldn't be an option because they can't realize that their brain chemistry has not stabilized yet.

[–]WaltzingacrosstheUS 9 points10 points ago

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That's not how depression works.

[–]districtdabs 17 points18 points ago

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I'd ask every beautiful woman I encountered on the streets to have sex with me. Statistically one of them would be bound to say yes eventually.

[–]redditor3000 9 points10 points ago

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But are you going to wake up tomorrow and approach every beautiful woman with the line "Want to have sex?". Of course not!

We fear change and have to take it one step at a time. There are solutions to depression, but I doubt this is one of them.

[–]marlowe650 2 points3 points ago

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This is an experiment that I've always wanted to attempt:

Print a large number of gorgeous business cards with impeccable font reading simply, "I find you incredibly attractive and would like to make love to you in the near future." Followed by your name and phone number. Then simply pass them out to any women you see that you find incredibly attractive.

I really do believe that this approach given a large enough sample is practically guaranteed to yield a sexual encounter. And with a moderately attractive, non-fat male, I would venture you'd get a hit in under 100.

[–]districtdabs 5 points6 points ago

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I already do this. Sometimes it works. I'm just letting you guys know I'd keep doing it if it was my last day on earth.

[–]redditor3000 3 points4 points ago

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I make a point to talk to as many people (including hot girls) per day. But I didn't just wake up one day and magically become sociable.

[–]districtdabs 2 points3 points ago

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One day I woke up and stopped trying to give serious replies to markedly comical Reddit comments. It's done wonders for both my self-esteem and karma count.

[–]redditor3000 3 points4 points ago

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I know exactly what you mean! Except then you realize that if you're only agreeing with people you're not challenging yourself anymore... Oh no, I'm doing it again, I cant stop giving serious replies!

[–]vannucker 4 points5 points ago

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the beautiful one who said yes is actually a tranny

[–]Enex 1 point2 points ago

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and?

[–]fuzzyshorts 5 points6 points ago

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For the last year and a half, fuck it, 4-5 years, I've felt like killing myself. Thing is, I've got family that would be heartbroken if I did. That would be fucked up. So I hang in with my pain and worthlessness. But I like what this says. Go be outside of myself, live life where I can't think of anything else. Like the time I climbed down the front of my building to get into my top floor apartment. I was so close to falling of the roof and dying but all I could think about was getting my hands and feet in a decent position for the foot and a half free fall to the windowsill. And when I finally got in my apartment, if felt soooo sweet. I was glad to be alive. So glad. Get out, go sit at a table with people and eat. Start a fucking fight. Watch kids play. It's a get out of jail card once you decide to just step out of it.

[–]VoodooIdol 10 points11 points ago

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If you really think that this is the answer to being suicidal you've clearly never been chronically depressed. Depression is not rational, and it prevents rational thought.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Fantastic. Suicide advice from /b/.

[–]PDK01 1 point2 points ago

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There's always "Do it, faggot".

[–]duggatron 2 points3 points ago

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I want to create a bot that just downvotes this submission every time it appears in r/new.

[–]Bitter_Idealist 5 points6 points ago*

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People need to stop saying that suicide is selfish in that the person does it, doesn't give a shit about anyone else. That's not how it is. It is actually selfish to think that way.

EDIT: grammar

[–]BloodyIron 1 point2 points ago

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The stronger depression is for someone the more irrational it is. Suicide is an irrational action because people who are depressed can't think straight. It's why we have people to help those who have such issues, to help guide them into rational living.

Don't be so selfish to think that your pain of them killing themselves has any effect on them.

[–]aquaduck 1 point2 points ago

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important TLDR

[–]0mar7ittle 1 point2 points ago

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tldr op is a faggot

ahhh, 4chan.

[–]JNiggins 1 point2 points ago

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There's no where you can go and no thing you can do that will ever get you far enough away from yourself.

[–]uhhhclem 1 point2 points ago

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That's all well and good, so long as you aren't the sort of person that can't stand to be himself. Then you start wanting death the way other people want sex. It's not impossible to turn that around, but it's not "hey, be James Bond" easy.

[–]The_Curious_cat 1 point2 points ago

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Oh, If I had a dollar for everytime this was posted, I'd probably be able to go somewhere exotic in the world.

[–]Kieldro 1 point2 points ago

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Perfectly sums up how ignorant that poster is

[–]animaltarget 1 point2 points ago

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I'm appreciate the spirit of this, though I'm not so sure about the tactic of vying for less self destructive behaviors in lieu of more self destructive. I say pick something constructive to do since it won't leave you in a pool of sharks, pile of debt, or with compromised health afterward.

[–]Ajdiv 1 point2 points ago

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So thanks to this thread I learned that medical depression is the only reason that anyone, anywhere, commits suicide.

[–]Kyizen 1 point2 points ago

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1) If you live in basement you don't have money to do that crap 2) Why 'band' some chicks, chick bands suck!

[–]IFeelOstrichSized 1 point2 points ago

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One of the other hundred times this was posted, someone made a pretty funny comic with a genuinely suicidal character and some asshole just spouting the garbage from this 4chan thing at him.

The suicidal person kept explaining how you can't do those things when you're horribly depressed and don't feel like living etc.

I think it ended with the depressed character saying something like "It's not that simple, don't you understand? This is a real and complex issue, if I was willing/able to do those things I wouldn't be suicidal. What the hell is wrong with you"(I'm loosely paraphrasing here) and the 4chan quoter just says "I'M FROM THE INTERNET!" and flies away.

Does anyone remember this and can you link me to it?

[–]spazzm 1 point2 points ago

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Simplistic world view is simplistic.

[–]THE_NO_LIFE_KING 1 point2 points ago

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I liking banding chicks too.

[–]gbCerberus 1 point2 points ago*

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This man beside us also has a hard fight with an unfavouring world, with strong temptations, with doubts and fears, with wounds of the past which have skinned over, but which smart when they are touched. It is a fact, however surprising. And when this occurs to us we are moved to deal kindly with him, to bid him be of good cheer, to let him understand that we are also fighting a battle; we are bound not to irritate him, nor press hardly upon him nor help his lower self.

-- John Watson, The Homely Virtues

[–]kajarago 1 point2 points ago

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tldr op is a faggot

well summed up indeed

[–]choc_is_back 1 point2 points ago

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I recently found back my suicide note I had completely forgotten about. It was... very strange, especially because I could quite agree with the logic of my former depressed self justifying the choice actually.

I'm great now btw, and often thank myself for not having done it (if you're wondering how 'serious' the suicidal-ness was: stood on a chair in the empty house, doors locked, with a rope around my neck and my favorite song playing on repeat, but chickened out).

In any case, I've vowed to do exactly what the image says the next time I feel the urge to get 'away from it all'. Even though I agree with what others have said, that you don't feel like doing anything let alone leaving the country. But still, I promised myself to at least try it, and am hoping I would indeed feel obligated to myself to hold true to my promise to myself.

[–]ItsAConspiracy 1 point2 points ago

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I see a lot of people arguing with this, but something like this worked for Buckminster Fuller.

Before he did all the stuff that made him famous, he failed at business and marriage, and went to a lake to drown himself. Standing on the shore, he suddenly thought, "You're giving up everything you ever wanted for yourself. So why not devote your life to helping humanity? Just do that, and forget about trying to help yourself. If it doesn't work out, you can always drown yourself later."

That purpose beyond the self is probably the key, which Anon missed.

Fuller did exactly that, and at the end of his life said that in his experience, if you take that approach, the universe takes care of you.

[–]m0llusk 1 point2 points ago

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4chan doesn't understand anything with any depth, and that content doesn't really belong here either. Want 4chan? Go 4chan, and all the best with that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I wonder why people seem to believe "suicidal" and "depressed" are the same thing.

[–]d4rkhorizoN 1 point2 points ago

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that was some courage wolf shit

[–]cmlow 1 point2 points ago

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All this shows is the ignorance of someone who's never experienced serious depression. It's unfortunate because it perpetuates the myth that people who are severely depressed can/should just "snap out of it" and get on with their life. It can be a serious illness that can rob a person of the will to get out of bed, much less go harpoon a shark.

[–]Aggronaut 1 point2 points ago

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Read that in Cave Johnson's voice.

[–]MutaschioedGentleman 1 point2 points ago

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I want to find the guy who wrote this and call him a fucking idiot to his face.

[–]jacobbsny10 1 point2 points ago

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"Considering Suicide" doesn't always mean you're depressed, people. Just making sure we are all on the same page.

[–]bufferosabres 5 points6 points ago

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TIL the navy seals that got bin laden were all a bunch of unified forever alones

oxymoron noted

[–]alukima 1 point2 points ago

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A lot of people who are thinking about suicide are mentally ill. Even if something like this were to prevent one attempt they would still need help.

[–]Reclaim3r 4 points5 points ago

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"It's only after we've lost everything, that we're free to do anything." - Fight Club

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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If you think this is how it works, then yeah, I wish you were suicidal, too.

[–]bluehazed 2 points3 points ago

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...or you have no bloody clue what clinical depression feels like. Shit like this is just simply ignorant.

[–]jokoon 2 points3 points ago

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4chan perfectly sums up people's ignorance about depression

FTFY

[–]DoctorOddfellow 1 point2 points ago

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As usual, 4chan is an ass.

[–]fireinbcn 1 point2 points ago*

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I did this and now i live in barcelona... Mind=blown

[–]The_Absurdist 1 point2 points ago

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Why is this being promoted? If it was their mother or son or best friend that was suicidal, no one would be upvoting.

[–]jacques_chester 1 point2 points ago

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4chan has obviously never actually suffered from clinical depression.

[–]szchm 2 points3 points ago

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Well no, because it's an imageboard. It is incapable of feeling depression.

[–]The-Vovernoid 1 point2 points ago

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OHhhhhhhhh.

Too long didn't read: op is a faggot.

[–]EvilAce 0 points1 point ago

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That all sounds like a lot of fun, but I've never known anyone who wanted to commit suicide because they weren't having enough fun.

[–]Sweddy 0 points1 point ago

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TLDR is the my favorite part of post.

[–]kingconorisking 0 points1 point ago

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The world is now your oyster, faggot

-FTFY

[–]muckitymuck 0 points1 point ago

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The tldr is the perfect summation of 4chan.

[–]Pangolinsareodd 0 points1 point ago

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Funny thing about depression, it is such a mindfuck. When I was suicidal, it was because I DID care about my loved ones. I honestly felt that it would be a huge favor to them to rid them of the burden that was me. Prior to suffering depression I used to think that suicide must be such a selfish act, but not anymore. Man that was screwed up. For anyone out there reading this, treatment helps.

[–]humongous 0 points1 point ago

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besides if you're suicidal , there's a high chance that you don't have the resources to do the stuff there so ...

[–]hakkzpets 0 points1 point ago

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This thread is so much Déjà Vu.

[–]abceasyaspie 0 points1 point ago

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No, it doesn't. You can't apply 'normal' logic to suicidal people. This is a really douchey thing to say.

[–]Hatdrop 0 points1 point ago

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“Whenever you feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had.” ― F. Scott Fitzgerald

[–]CorruptedRay 0 points1 point ago

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This is how serial killing starts.

[–]fas2 0 points1 point ago

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This exact thing was discussed at length before, involving depressed redditors who gave detailed accounts of what it feels like and why this post is BS. Can't find the link, unfortunately.

[–]madmax00004 0 points1 point ago

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This is so ridiculously uninformed and cheesy, it's like the 4chan-version of the university-lecturer-vs-U.S. veteran story.

[–]Ripper62 0 points1 point ago

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ummm alot of people who want to comite suicide wont be able to do such things (ie, have no money, unable to leave (this is true for so many forced sex workers), cant leave cause of the government (think north korea))

[–]netglitch 0 points1 point ago

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Having suffered through depression I can honestly say that this 4chan user just doesn't get it.

[–]ShadowBelmont 0 points1 point ago

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What if there is no escape? Like what you wanted to leave behind will always be there no matter where you go or what changes?

[–]sandollars 0 points1 point ago

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Mark Rife tried that http://vimeo.com/27902552

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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i would write a good response if i had the self confidence to think my words are worth hearing... oh god why am i so pathetic

[–]zombiegodzilla 0 points1 point ago

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There is a pretty awesome book by DBC Pierre called Lights out in wonderland that explores this idea quite well and also has some delicious tiger cub recipes and a disappointing ending.

[–]SSJ3 0 points1 point ago

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I think the OP's view can be summed up as this:

SUICIDALLY DEPRESSED PEOPLE,

Y U NO LOGICAL?

I've always struggled with this topic, because the way I empathize with people and help them is by trying to put myself in their shoes. But I've realized that I can't do that with people who are depressed, there's nothing logical about it. I can't even imagine what being depressed is like, simply because I can't imagine not being able to snap out of it. To not be able to convince myself that things aren't so bad.

So really, don't be so hard on the average not-depressed person, they are only trying to help in the best (albeit misguided) way they know how. Maybe instead of telling them you can't change your mood, which is misconstrued as acting helpless.... tell them how confusing it is. Tell them that your life is great, your family is supportive, you have a well-paying job, and yet you are simply unable to feel happy. That nothing is causing your depression, so much as it is a medical condition that you struggle with, and logic wouldn't help you.

It also doesn't help when people throw about the word "depressed" when their life is just genuinely shitty. If there's a real reason for the sadness, then it isn't real depression. At least, that's what I've learned from Reddit, from this topic and a few before it.