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What I think about religion (i.imgur.com)
submitted 11 months ago by TC_Lion_O
[–]Blaine0002 88 points89 points90 points 11 months ago
Who felt the need to photoshop this onto a giant sign? What does that accomplish?
[–]reasondoubt 20 points21 points22 points 11 months ago
someone was kind enough to put it on a re-post.
[–]threewolvesonemoon 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
That re-post is probably in front of another re-post. My god, its re-posts all the way down.
[–]tllnbks 10 points11 points12 points 11 months ago
Yeah...it kinda makes it hypocritical.
[–]gametavern 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
I was going to say the same thing. How does it change the message if some people think it is on a sign somewhere?
[–]reneepussman 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
Seriously. What good does it do?
[–]Aaberg321 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Hopefully to get stuff like DADT to stay out of legislation. What do you think?
[–]auron818 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
They were ambitious enough to open Photoshop, and crop and paste the picture of the paper onto a giant sign. They were too lazy to retype the phrase and put it on a flat, non-wrinkled piece of paper, background.
[–]johnnyinput 22 points23 points24 points 11 months ago
You and I have different ideas of what should be done with my penis.
[–]MeloJelo 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
You're a Catholic priest, aren't you?
[–][deleted] 56 points57 points58 points 11 months ago
I have a serious question for atheists. As a religious teenager I am wondering how people feel about religious people who express the same feeling towards atheism? I feel like the general consensus here on reddit seems to be that teaching a child about religion before they can really decide whether or not they believe it is absolutely evil but teaching them to loathe religion before they can even actively make a decision on it is a good move for parents. Can someone explain to me the difference without immaturely saying "but religion is stupid"? This isn't me trying to be douchey I'm just honestly curious where reddit sees a difference between the two situations.
[–]xrx66 102 points103 points104 points 11 months ago
You're confusing atheism and anti-theism.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 11 months ago
Yeah "IDontGetSexualJokes" compared "anti-theists" to aggressive evangelicals and I think it makes sense in that context. I don't like being grouped with muslim extremists and I suppose I should realize that just because people who hate religion tend to be louder it doesn't make them the majority. My bad
[–]xrx66 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
No worries.
We can shade things more finely, too. I'm an anti-theist, and don't have children. If I did I would simply teach them to think critically about all things. I would never need to teach them that the Greeks were silly to believe in their pantheon, or that Christians are silly to believe what they believe, or that Muslims are silly to believe what they believe. This is simple stuff that they can figure out on their own.
I wouldn't teach them to hate theism, I'd give them the tools to be able to arrive at their own conclusions.
[–]Uncomfortable 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Those are some pretty grand expectations for kids.
[–]Uncomfortable 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
people who hate tend to be louder
[–]xtirpation 39 points40 points41 points 11 months ago
Here on reddit, they're the same thing. You're right though, in general.
[–]godlesspinko 17 points18 points19 points 11 months ago
No, it's not. Does the Westboro Baptist Church represent all Christians simply because they make a lot of noise? It's an unfair characterization.
[–]shiase 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
they are far better at being christians than the average christian, which is why they are assholes
[–]StableChaos 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Go to /r/atheism right now and count the number of top posts which bash religion. I was able to find around 5 posts on the front page in a heartbeat. A good majority of the atheists on Reddit are anti-theists, there is no questioning that point.
[–]yortuk 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
You're presuming that atheists tend to actively post about their atheist beliefs. I think most of the atheists on reddit are people you don't notice as atheists because they're not making a lot of noise about it.
[–]johndoe42 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Moderate agnostic atheism isn't going to be represented on there. I don't get it. Do you expect the front page to be filled with "so, this god thing, you guys don't believe in it either, right?" "Nope" "Yeah, not really" "Not a bit!" "Wish I could!" ?
A lot of /atheism is also "living life as an atheist in a religious society."
And 5 religion bashing posts? Big fucking whoop. There's also stuff about Turkish court secularizing oaths, a Mormon who came out as a homosexual committing suicide, illegal proselytizing in public school, don't ask don't tell, tax exemption for churches, and a self post of an atheist IT person talking to a pastor. I don't know why some people so RABIDLY denounce /atheism with such fervor when not even 75% of the discussions there relate to "rarr eliminate all the religions!"
People here whine when we discuss secularization, removal of religion in government or evils done in the name of religion and tell us to take it to /atheism. Then you get mad when we do that? Get the fuck outta my face with that shit.
[–]StableChaos 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Your arguments are contradictory. You question how there can be substantial amounts moderate atheism discussion then give several examples of such posts. It is fair for me to use that very popular subreddit to prove a point about the general nature of Reddit. In addition, if we were to lay blame for who is invading who's territory then it is clear that this post is a leak from /r/atheism.
[–]johndoe42 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
No, I don't know what you think moderate atheism is. To some people here, moderate atheism means "praising religion." Anything less and you're a rabid anti-theist.
I wasn't giving examples of moderate atheism. I was giving examples of non-religion-bashing posts that relate to atheism.
[–]Strutham 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Maybe on /r/atheism. But I would guess that most atheists on Reddit either don't go to or at least don't contribute to that subreddit.
Also, I've seen a fair deal of pretty civilized discourse even on there, so that's generalizing pretty hard.
[–]johndoe42 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
What's hilarious is the string of Christians posting on there that say "I know I'm going to get downvoted for this, don't eat me atheists" and then get treated nicely.
[–]xrx66 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Mostly that is so, yes, but not entirely. In any event, I'm actually trying to answer LukePieWalker's question. We'll see how it goes.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I don't understand why more people don't seem to differentiate between the two here. Upvote.
Atheism isn't teaching someone to loathe religion. It is simply a lack of theism. In fact, if a child grew up with no religion introduced to them, they would be atheist by default.
[–]gottaloveJesus 25 points26 points27 points 11 months ago
Well 'loathing religion' isn't part of the definition of an atheist. Atheism is simply the name given to the lack of belief in any gods.
If I were a parent, I'd teach my child that there is no evidence to show that gods are real, and that religious texts often promote ideas that are morally questionable in the modern age. These things aren't my opinion, they're facts. I suppose it's my opinion that the ideas in the texts are morally questionable, but I don't think that a reasonable person would say that making a rape victim marry her rapist is morally apt, for example. Most religious texts treat women like property and teach that they should be subservient, ideas that underscore a lot of the way women see themselves today, and I'd teach my child that this sort of thinking is not good, and that women are just as capable of leading and succeeding as men are.
So no, I would not teach my child to hate religion. But, in the absence of religious indoctrination in an environment of critical thinking, I don't think my child is going to suddenly decide to be Christian. Or if she does, she would have been just as likely to decide to be a Hindu or a Muslim.
[–]Coraon 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
For the record Wiccan priest who in his youth was abused by Christian's on more then one occasion.
Ok, now see here is where I have a problem with the whole moral debate. Let me ask you this, if they revised the bible and removed the sections with the old laws that people don't follow wouldn't you then accuse them of rewriting history? They honestly can't win I think its better to present the most like the 'original' they have and let the individual sects of Christianity choose what they want to use.
[–]bryciclepete 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
i thought the bible was god's word. If different sects get to pick and choose what they like, is god's word objective or subjective?
[–]gottaloveJesus 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Well, yes, I suppose I would. But surely you see the issue here? A god's word should be absolute, and therefore not subject to the scrutiny of time. Over time, the words of a god should remain as valid as they were when they were first spoken. Christians, who believe that the bible represents the word of god, wouldn't really be Christian if they decided that the word of god wasn't entirely correct.
I don't care if people pick and choose what to believe in from the bible. But what is interesting is that they then still say that their morals are shaped by the Bible and the word of god, when what they have in fact done is shaped the word of god so that it matches up with their inherent sense of morality.
You're right, they can't win. Because they're wrong.
[–]Coraon 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
The bible isn't gods word. It is stories written by gods followers who were "divinely inspired" that's why its the word according to ___. I don't think anyone if fully capable of understanding the totality of a god at our current level of evolution. So all the stories in the bible are going to be changed by the story teller. The stories in the book are meant to inspire and guide, not meant to be absolutes, just ask any bible scholar, they will tell you the same thing.
[–]gottaloveJesus 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Well I do believe that many of these books contain direct quotes from god. So unless a serious fuckup occurred, these quotes ARE intended to be absolutes. And if a serious fuckup did indeed occur (many many times), then why the hell is anyone taking any of it seriously?
[–]maomao200 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Here's a link that helps clear up this issue: derrr Here's the meat of the short article: "Regardless of human authorship, however, the credibility of Holy Scripture comes through the power of God, so we can be sure the Holy Spirit inspired all of the biblical authors, whoever they may be." As for your issue with people who "pick and choose" things from the Bible... I highly doubt that you, or the majority of people on r/Atheism, truly allow the Bible to exist in its full complexity. r/Atheism continually takes things too literally and chastises people with better understandings of Biblical context. Or, they unreasonably expect perfect understanding of this extremely complicated topic from every Christian. The Bible is complicated because it touches on very complicated topics; there's bound to be misinterpretation. Christians believe although there are many errors in interpretation, the Bible is worth studying because the topic is important. Secondly, I feel certain that Christians who actually understand and purposefully ignore things written in the Bible are bad Christians. Who cares? Chastise them all you want, although I doubt that you actually bother to understand when they interpret things with any accuracy. For the sake of full disclosure, the link's from a Catholic perspective because I'm Catholic. I took a last, sweet look at my karma, so you can bring on the downvotes now.
[–]lordsidious 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Bible is the word of god because the bible says it is. God exists because the bible says he does. The bible is divinely inspired because the bible says it is, and some people concur with that.
Circular reasoning anyone?
[–]Coraon 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Then I respect your choice to believe that they are direct quotes, I disagree with you but I still wish you a good day and good luc with your beliefs.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
My fiance believes in God, while I do not. We recently had the conversation of whether or not our children would be brought up in the church. She grew up in the church community and expressed that, as a child, church was a fun place to meet with friends, play, sing songs etc. I agreed with her, but when the time comes that the children are of an age where they can think critically for themselves then I will express my belief system as well.
At that point, when the children are old enough, they can choose what they want to believe. I think it's possible for two people of different belief systems to come to an agreement when it comes to the appropriate way to introduce children to this type of question. Both just have to be mature, understanding, and sensitive to the other's feelings. Unfortunately, that's often hard to find.
[–]tachophile 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
My wife and I are in a similar situation with our children. The social aspect and the teaching of values is certainly an appealing side. My concern however is the exposure to the daily indoctrination of the religous beliefs that do not offer room for doubt. I had always been skeptical even since a young age and it still took me a lifetime to overcome my programming.
Children shouldn't be taught religion until they're old enough to think critically. I'm an athiest and fully plan on teaching my girls about various religions both existing and extinct ones, monotheistic and polytheistic, when they are older as objectively as I can without criticising beliefs. I'll let them know that many people believe in one ore more gods, and many people do not. There are people who feel very strongly about it either way, and those who aren't sure.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I think the indoctrination aspect of religion is overblown at times. I'm not worried that by the time I speak to my children about religion, that they'll be so indoctrinated that they'll ignore my system of beliefs. I think if you continue to ask them questions and have them challenge what they are being taught then they'll be able to come to their own conclusions. And, hey, maybe they choose to believe in God. It's not like I lost - as long as they have good values and grow up to be great people then how often does religion really play a part in our everyday lives?
Huh? Why is she allowed to express her belief system to them before they can think critically for themselves? I get that you want to keep the peace and because she has a community behind her belief system she gets first dibs on the indoctrination vs. skepticism but it almost sounds like you're pretending like its a fair and amicable agreement?
No, it's not that. It's just when it comes to children, there is no need to tell them something so matter-of-factly. It's of the same reason that we don't tell kids that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy isn't real. It does help kids discipline themselves and teaches them great values. There is nothing wrong with believing in a higher being or having a religion. And there are people and places that are not evil and do not indoctrinate kids. These are good people with a good set of values. There's nothing wrong with a kid learning from that.
Then, when they get to a certain age and they start questioning things - how can Santa Claus see all the children in the world in one night? That's impossible. That same line of reasoning is then used with religion and God. I am a product of that same experience and when I got to the age where I could really think for myself I made my decision. I feel my kids should have that same opportunity, and if they're anything like me they'll probably see the light ;p
[–]LordoftheLand 25 points26 points27 points 11 months ago
As an atheist, I have a big problem with my presidents and other leaders thinking they are taking orders from god. You (assuming for a second you are christian) would fear living in a country where the leader speaks to Allah and write laws that effect YOU. I fear living in this country where the leaders speak to Yahweh and write laws that effect ME.
[–]travlake 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Evidence on the first claim: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1608
Buried in the numbers a bit, but 75% of Republicans and 51% of Democrats are somewhat or entirely uncomfortable with an Atheist president. By comparison, 72% of Republicans and 47% of Democrats are uncomfortable with a Muslim president.
[–]levirules 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
Quite honestly, any rational person should tell you that it's not right to shove your beliefs down others' throats no matter what they are. I'm either agnostic or atheist, no idea really, just don't wholeheartedly believe that any of us know or can know about this stuff for certain, so I don't believe in a god, nor do I NOT believe in a god. I would never try to convince a religious person to be atheist or agnostic. If anything, I envy those who are religious (read: not bat shit insane about their religion), because they find comfort in that. I would never want to take that away from them just because I don't share their views. Fuck anyone who imposes their opinions like that on others.
This (obviously fake) poster doesn't impose atheist viewson the reader, it simply asks the reader to refrain from forcing their views, if Christian, on others. It is not telling the Christians that they are wrong, and for that, I believe the message is appropriate, and delivered in a nice little joke.
No I laughed at the poster its just some of the comments I was reading were really anti-theism. The only thing I ask of atheists is that they treat me with the same respect I treat them with. I would love it if everyone became a muslim just as atheists would love it if everyone abandoned the idea of religion but that doesn't mean I (or anyone else) needs to be disrespectful, immature and childish in their treatment of others.
[–]tachophile 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago*
An anti-theist may "love it if everyone abandoned the idea of religion". I doubt many atheists would care one way or the other.
[–]johndoe42 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I dunno. I'd be forced to tow the moderate line except secular societies like Sweden and Denmark fare far far better than religious societies.
[–]TurdSupreme 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
I was honestly thinking of giving my kids a bible, a few sutras, and a quaran, tell them to read each, and at the end tell me what its about. Hopefully they are mature enough to read this type of material, And i will let them decide what religion they choose to pursue. Obviously this has a chance of backfiring.
[–]Faust5 8 points9 points10 points 11 months ago
You shouldn't teach your kids to loathe religion. You should teach them to think for themselves. Check out this campaign by Richard Dawkins: Guardian link
It's trying to get parents to stop labeling their children with ideologies. Notice front and center, below "grow up," it says "atheist child." That is, don't call your kid an atheist any more than you'd call them a Christian, because they're too young to make that decision.
Wow. That is actually quite powerful and incredibly positive. Hope they keep using messages like those that take a more humanistic approach to things.
[–]Can-eh-dian 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
I'm only speaking for myself here, but I don't plan on teaching my kids to loathe religion. I will simply explain that there is no more reason to believe in a Christian god than a Hindu god or a Greek god or a pagan god. They're just stories like any of the other ones I'll read to them. I will, however, explain how nature works as described by science to the best of my ability.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
You don't need to teach your kids to hate religion. As long as you don't force them to be religious, they are going to be atheist.
I don't know of anyone who teaches their children to hate religion. If you just never mention it, what do you think the odds are that your kid is going to end up looking around the world and deciding "Yeah, God probably did this and also I owe my life to someone named Jesus."
[–]NovemberDarling 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
My parents never forced me to be religious or even took me to church as a kid. I came to my religion on my own when I was older and could evaluate it myself.
[–]onionhammer 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
why?
[–]Kodiak_Marmoset 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
On Reddit, like in the real world, something is only "wrong" if it clashes with your preconceived views.
[–]L4UGH 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
:')
Son, I am no disapoint.
[–]deyv 19 points20 points21 points 11 months ago
Dude, as a religious college student, these are my thoughts exactly. In college I have yet to see so much as one person trying to actively convert anyone to his or her religion - I mean yes there are posters for Bible studies and Islamic organizations in the halls, but that's pretty pass and, in my opinion, acceptable stuff. But at the same time, I couldn't tell you how many times I've had conversations about mundane secular topics that the other person turns into a pro-atheism sermon, or rather an anti-religious rant - usually saying that religion is a delusion and religious people are depriving themselves of any and all good things - never stopping to consider that maybe I am in fact am religious.
[–]IDontGetSexualJokes 30 points31 points32 points 11 months ago*
Those are assholes. As an atheist college student, I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with posters for Bible studies and Islamic organizations, and the type of person you're talking about who turns everything into an anti-religious rant doesn't represent all atheists. As a religious person yourself, you don't want to be lumped in with the annoying evangelicals who see everything in the context of Jesus and turn the conversation to religion at any possible point.
The're really the same person. One is religious, one is not. Both have extreme religious views. An atheist forcing their views on their children is just as despicable as any religious person forcing their views on their children, in my eyes. Generally anything that's annoying or disgusting when a religious person does it is equally annoying and disgusting when an atheist does it.
An extremist is an extremist whether they be religious or not.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
I just wanted to know because it seems like every "atheist" post on reddit turns into "look at the tards who believe in GOD, We are so much better than them"
[–]IDontGetSexualJokes 29 points30 points31 points 11 months ago*
A lot of the people here are the assholes I was referring to. Luckily, most of them reside in /r/atheism, but a lot of times you get spill-over.
The thing about /r/atheism, and why militant atheism is so common here is because atheists don't have a lot of places they can go to talk openly about their beliefs. Reddit is one of those places. I used to frequent /r/atheism a lot, so I can enlighten you on the psychology of the people who are a part of that community.
A lot of atheists were religious at one point, but started to doubt their religion, and eventually just did away with it all together. At this point, a lot of them become angry at being so naive or for having wasted so much of their life on something that they see as a complete waste of time. They want to find somewhere to vent, or to talk about their new beliefs, but since atheism is so taboo there aren't many places they can go. The internet is anonymous, and so they won't face any consequences for sharing their views, which may be pretty extreme at this point (mine were). Sharing their views with family members or friends who are religious could destroy their reputation, but on the internet they can say "Christians are idiots, and anyone who believes in religion of any kind are deluded." without anyone judging them.
/r/atheism is essentially a circlejerk for these people; a place where they can vent, and share their disdain for religion openly among like-minded people.
Eventually a lot of them grow out of it and become more moderate over time. That's what has happened to me, and a lot of my online friends anyway.
If anyone has any more questions, feel free to send me a message.
[–]mazinaru 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
Nailed it man. We get all sorts of people but, there definitely is a phase for a lot of us (and for some it isn't a phase I suppose) where we are very loud and anti-theist. I still hate when people assume all Christians are idiots though. Some are of course, not because they are Christian though. It just makes me feel like we are going backwards you know.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
What tends to happen is kids deconvert in or right before college (the most liberal experience of their lives yet) and are resentful towards religion. I used to be an asshole like that but now I'm a totally chill atheist.
[–]mazinaru 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Frankly, as an atheist I always check my schedule to see if I can visit on random bible or quaran studies. Of course I always send an email ahead and make sure I am welcome (I feel they have every right to exclude me in this instance) but, if I am welcome it is a great way to learn a bit about others.
Just finished a course on the religions of India even, pretty interesting stuff.
[–]SammyLocked 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
You're lucky then. We have a local church come to our campus and yells at everyone that they're going to Hell for having different beliefs. It's really a big downer to go from class to class and being yelled at for not "opening my eyes." I'm in class to open my mind, not my eyes.
[–]hmmwellactually 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
It probably depends on the university you choose to attend, most are secular but some private schools obviously have a religious bend. I originally went to a Catholic university and it's just pervasive, no one talks about converting because everyone assumes you are religious.
Which is the other thing really, most people assume that you are religious unless being told otherwise. We live in a nation full of Christians so it's not an odd assumption.
[–]Wazowski 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
As a religious teenager I am wondering how people feel about religious people who express the same feeling towards atheism?
I feel that they are blatant hypocrites. So far, my government has written very few laws to promote the tenets of atheism. The crazy guys yelling on every street corner seem to be shouting about God and Jesus more often than they scream about Richard Dawkins' theories. And I have yet to have an atheist knock on my door in order to share the "bad news".
I feel like the general consensus here on reddit seems to be that teaching a child about religion before they can really decide whether or not they believe it is absolutely evil but teaching them to loathe religion before they can even actively make a decision on it is a good move for parents.
Actually, I didn't have to teach my child anything about religion one way or the other. Like everyone, he was born an atheist, and I found no good reason to change it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago*
My support for freedom of speech is substantially stronger then any of my beliefs about religion. I don't think Atheists should be telling Christian's stay quiet and i don't think Christian's should be telling Atheists to stay quiet.
edit: typo woodsMD pointed out
[–]WoodsMD 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I think you mean quiet in both cases, but I agree. With that freedom though, I just hope people of both positions can be mature about it, instead of dicks like too many of them are. (yes, I am a Christian that recognizes how dicky some Christians can be)
[–]Strutham 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
However crass, I don't think submitting photos like these on a media aggregator like reddit really could count as "shoving it down your throat". It's a pretty fine line but mandated religious activities in schools definitely crosses it. I certainly don't think schools should promote atheism either. (However, I do think schools should encourage critical thought and scrutiny).
[–]RAISEStheQuestion 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I have a serious question for atheists too. Why do all of you celebrate Christmas?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
I think that, atleast in america, christmas is more of a cultural thing and not a religious thing. If you were to ask americans what they're top three thoughts when they heard the word christmas i think it would be something like "gifts, snow, music" and not "jesus, virgin birth, church". This has atleast been my experience with my friends who are christain (I'm a muslim and don't celebrate it)
[–]lswanson 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Because it's fun.
[–]born2lovevolcanos 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
I don't. I celebrate winter "presents for everyone" day.
Its a pagan holiday with pagan rituals. You could just as easily ask why do Christians celebrate it with all of those things attached to them? As an atheist I'm fine putting up a tree (which venerates the Goddess Asherah) and I'm fine giving and receiving gifts (a Roman tradition which venerated Saturn) just as I'm fine saying "Thursday" (Thor's Day) because its all myth that's been secularized. Non-religious people certainly aren't going into Churches and celebrating Christ's birth but they're enjoying all of the customs associated with it.
Its all just a bunch of traditions that has ended up in an almost purely secular holiday (except, of course, when someone decides to celebrate it by going into a Church and giving prayers).
[–]yortuk 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
You're begging the question, assuming Christmas is necessarily a religious holiday.
[–]Braai 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Ideally, you just say nothing either way......
[–]fullofit 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago*
See, you was born atheist. It's your natural state. You've been taught religion. Being religious is not natural. And unlike math, reading and writing skills which you also learn religion doesn't really help you to survive. Just creates illusion of safety.
[–]t6158 131 points132 points133 points 11 months ago
Oh look, this joke again.
[–]levirules 44 points45 points46 points 11 months ago
I've been on reddit for a while an haven't heard/seen this one yet. Reddiquette says you shouldn't complain about reposts.
[–]bryciclepete 53 points54 points55 points 11 months ago
hey it's only a repost after "I've" seen it.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
Oh look, this comment again.
[–]blagoonga123 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
reposting is one thing.
this joke is quite another
[–]runswithcoyotes 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
But people complaining about reposts are basically reposting... So, reddiquette infers you shouldn't complain about people complaining about reposts.
...yeah
[–]CowFu 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I'm guessing you're not on /r/atheism, it's posted there almost daily
[–]blehthwaway 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
I'm guessing you are also not on /r/atheism because it is, in fact, not posted there almost daily.
[–]levirules 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Nah, I'm not. Which is a good example of why everyone who begs posters to post to a more "appropriate" subreddit are not always right; I might never have seen this if it were (re)posted to r/atheism.
[–]Fricktitious 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
It's not really a reddit joke.
You're an anomaly.
[–]Kensin 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Honestly I haven't see this one before either, but I'd have had a much better chance of seeing this the first time if it wasn't pushed off the first 30 pages by reposts and [FIXED] posts.
[–]skarface6 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
reddiquette can be edited by anyone. It's like wikipedia.
[–]yumOJ 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Just let it go and downvote it.
[–]trollingfromwork 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Oh look, someone thinking that because they saw and remembered something every person in existence saw and remembered the same thing.
[–]Mozzy 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
... again.
[–]AtheistMartyr 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Its okay. I have seen this thing every week since coming here. Never on a sign. But still the original crumpled paper or some other form. It is interesting and I guess for new people it feels like something that should be broadcast. But it is tiresome.
[–]coreytherockstar 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
This picture is so photoshopped it hurts my eyes =(
[–]ninjasenses 22 points23 points24 points 11 months ago
I will get downvoted for this, but couldnt the same thing be said about athiesm?
Oh and I'm not religious either, jussayin...
[–]hrrsnjcb 16 points17 points18 points 11 months ago
The same could be said for any belief system. Atheism is not technically a belief system, but I know what you mean...
[–]bradmont 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I guess that depends on how strictly you define "belief system." Can't the single statement, "I believe there is (are) no god(s)," be considered a system?
No, I know there are no gods, via lack of evidence. There is no lack for a lack of proof.
In the same way you know that there are no aliens? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Yes, yes it is. You have a vivid imagination if you think otherwise.
[–]hrrsnjcb 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Yes, but that is not how I would define atheism. Remember, atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity or deities. It is not a positive statement, which yours (I believe there are no gods) is.
[–]blehthwaway 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
You use the word atheism...I don't think it means what you think it means.
[–]RumbaMaster 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
I've never seen anyone shoving atheism on anybody's face. If someone asks me, I answer. Most religious people think that just being an atheist and saying you don't believe in god is equal to going around saying religion is stupid. They think a street preacher is ok, but an atheist billboard isn't.
[–]Luckent 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I have seen plenty of atheists doing this. I've had several do it to me personally. Its just as irritating as someone trying to convert you to their religion.
[–]Klewg 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
I don't recall a single occasion where I've tried to force my atheism upon another person, in fact I rarely speak about it
[–]Coraon 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
Then on Reddit it's been my experience that you are in the minority.
[–]ViciousChicken 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
But your experience is based on people who have spoken about it. It shouldn't be surprising that few of the people you see speak about it are people who rarely speak about it. Selection bias.
There is a huge difference between being inconvenienced by choosing to read Atheism topics or being full blown fucking indoctrinated as a child with religious dogma.
[–]Aaberg321 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
How have atheism been forced upon you? Do tell.
[–]Klewg 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Reddit doesn't account for all atheists.
That's like saying that trying to get someone to realize that they don't need to wear a hat is the same as the selling someone a hat.
We're born atheists. Most religious people had it "forced down their throats."
[–]justacsb 35 points36 points37 points 11 months ago
r/atheism ------->
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 11 months ago
Hmm, I don't think the message is necessarily an atheist one. I am somewhat religious but I don't like talking about it at all. I feel like religion/spirituality should be more of a private, personal thing. Although, of course I can see how this pic would be appreciated in r/atheism.
[–]that_really_happened 11 points12 points13 points 11 months ago
as much as r/atheism is a circle jerk. There's a bigger circle jerk on Reddit: it's made of every idiot who talks about r/atheism.
[–]missing-alt-text 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
A photo of an outdoor sign. Text reads:
RELIGION IS LIKE A PENIS.
It's fine to have.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats.
[–]enarbandy 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Actually it's like underwear. It's private and protects your modesty. Sadly, some people like to wear it in full public display and also rip apart other peoples underwear. History is ripe with acts of such people.
[–]shiase 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
no underwear is the best of all!
[–]lookguysOC 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Look guys! OC!
[–]Diquebutt 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Oh neat, it's a shitty Doug Stanhope-ish attempt at comedy...again
[–]RickyAcid 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I want to punch you in the jeans for making me read this again.
[–]hammburgaler 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
People, quit saying this. It isn't THAT funny or original.
And idiotic statement that in essence says you aren't allowed to express your opinions or beliefs.. no reason for this oppression is given. It can just as easily be applied to any sorta of belief someone doesn't like. "A political belief is like a penis blah blah blah" How about instead of trying to stifle ideas and thoughts we don't like we all agree to uphold the ideas of free expression and thought.
[–]godin_sdxt 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Religion is just fine, as long as you recognise it for what it is.
Allow me to explain. Most (if not all) human societies throughout history have relied on the passing down of knowledge from generation to generation in order to preserve their culture. The most effective way of doing so is with a collection of stories because people will remember them more easily. Thus, compilations of such stories, like the bible and the quran, actually served a legitimate purpose for early societies.
The problem is when people regard them as facts, rather than merely stories. Not all cultures have fallen victim to this mistake, however. Your average Chinese person, for example, doesn't seriously believe the mythology of years past is true. It's just a tool for preserving your culture, nothing more and nothing less.
[–]core1129 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
lol.
[–]ShoepZA 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
What a brave opinion to have on Reddit
[–]PretendsToBeGay 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
If Jesus didn't approve of gays, he wouldn't have made male on male felatio so damn delicious.
[–]UltraJake 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Not sure if novelty account or serious.
Eh.....whatever.
[–]HumphreyBogart 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
There is a guy who stands outside my work and recites (YELLS) the bible every single day, all day.
Needless to say, I will be printing this out and handing it to him later today.
[–]LettersFromTheSky 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
You should tell us what his reaction is.
[–]terrih 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
very large Photoshop .. but true repost
[–]nondescriptuser 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
It's actually not fine to have one.
I like people to make decisions based on verifiable, repeatable facts and logic. So when someone says they oppose gay marriage, or abortion, or any other cause, not because they've undertaken a scrutinous study of the topic and have analysed the societal implications of the issue, but because they have a 2000 year old book written by some fishmongerer or nomadic tribesman that says they have an obligation to oppose it, and their vote counts as much as mine, I think I am justified in condemning their beliefs wholesale.
Religious people make decisions every day on their false conclusions, and these decisions affect you. Now, are there other sources of misinformation that cause people to make bad decisions? Of course. But only religion is uniquely enshrined in this regard, only religion is not simply tolerated, but actively aided by the government in its campaign of error. Only religion puffs out its chest and says "I believe something that is patently absurd, and has no basis in fact, and that is what makes me morally strong".
I'm so sick of this attitude. Christian's believe non Christian's are going to hell. They don't believe that religion is a personal choice. They believe their beliefs are facts. If someone less lazy than me can find the link, Penn Teller says it very well.
Chirstain's who don't preach are monsters. And telling them not to preach is in their eyes like tell them not to stop a person who is walking in front of a bus.
(atheist/agnostic here)
[–]pauldy 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Your tolerance will not be tolerated Mr.
[–]IronHamster 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Don't worry, I got downvoted too by saying the same thing. People want to marginalize Christians as just being assholes, and will fight you if you try to explain the other side.
[–]laws0n 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Look at all the Christians you upset. Hah good times
[–]pikeboss 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Sounds more like what atheists try to do than what religion tries to do. It's like "Hey, I'm a faithless non-believer! If you believe in a religion, you SUCK LOLOLOL" I'm not supporting either, but I just think it's ridiculous how one thinks they're not like the other in that aspect. Please keep it to yourself or call the atheist hotline where it rings and nobody answers.
[–]Duckman33 23 points24 points25 points 11 months ago
Yeah!! I'm so tired of the Atheists Witnesses knocking on my damn door during dinner time shoving their non-belief down my throat! Fucking pesky Atheists!!
[–]xrx66 8 points9 points10 points 11 months ago
Well, you must understand that spreading atheism to all nations, and converting those that disagree so as to save them from torment is a prime goal given to them by .. by ... by ....
Never mind.
[–]that_really_happened 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Sore theist, luls.
[–]Bskrilla 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
I am almost inclined to think this is satire, but I shall humor you anyways.
Telling someone that you think their beliefs are stupid/unfounded/irrational is not forcing your atheism on someone. The intent of this sign is to discourage indoctrination of children that are not their own, and to argue against state sanctioned religion. I fully support stopping atheists from indoctrinating religious people's children into unbelief as well.
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 11 months ago
im 34 years old. ive never once had someone walk up to me to talk about atheism.
i never heard of a government employee coming out to support a day of atheism but we just had rick perry rent out Reliant Arena to fucking pray. he is our governor.
[–]xrx66 18 points19 points20 points 11 months ago
I'm 40 and report the same. On the other hand, I can think of a very large number of instances when the religious have knocked on my door, accosted me on the street, littered my door with propaganda, and littered my car with propaganda.
[–]rocketwidget 11 points12 points13 points 11 months ago
I just served on Jury Duty. The court required me to swear on God to tell the truth. I felt slightly uncomfortable about it, but I can't imagine the holy hell the religious in this country would raise if they had to swear on Allah or Buddha.
Wait. You didn't have to swear to FSM or on The God Delusion?
[–]rocketwidget 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Ironically, I was completely truthful about everything except helping God.
[–]Fauster 16 points17 points18 points 11 months ago
Atheists are Americas most hated minority. They have every right and reason to be vocal.
[–]Clark-Kent -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 months ago
I prefer not having atheism shoved in my face aswell, yet here we have a public billboard. Some atheists are worse than religious folk, especially the ones who are hypocrites.
I'm Agnostic, if you're wondering
[–]cyco 25 points26 points27 points 11 months ago
Luckily for you this billboard is photoshopped.
[–]Frensoa 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Captain obvious is obvious, but useful anyway.
[–]Clark-Kent 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
My mistake, I happily admit when I'm wrong.
[–]MoMoFoSho 22 points23 points24 points 11 months ago
I'm a Christian who really doesn't care what other people's beliefs are. But it pisses me off when someone realizes I'm religious and starts telling me I'm an idiot for believing in God.
It's not like I shoved a bible in their face. I just wore a very tiny cross around my neck.
Have you ever considered it might be because you prescribe to a worldview/moral code that is thousands of years old?
I mean, people raise religion up so much I don't understand it. If people get into a debate about gravity, the one who can demonstrate the other wrong is the winner. I don't have to respect the other man's beliefs, as they are false. I respect the man, if he debated with dignity, but the belief is not something I respect.
So, in short, I don't agree with people disrespecting you as a person because of your beliefs. However, I don't agree with your idea that anyone should have to respect yours without condition.
[–]MoMoFoSho 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
I'm fine with people wanting to debate, or even ask why I think my religion is true. That's ok. I don't need to be sheltered from other people disagreeing with me.
I just don't think I should be belittled for my beliefs. I didn't provoke them. They brought the subject up and attacked me immediately.
[–]Mozzy 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Who said that an Atheist put this up?
[–]Nomae13 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
"atheists are worse than religious folk", really? They're flying planes into buildings and strapping bombs onto children? Pussy fencesitter needs to shut the fuck up.
[–]derpinWhileWorkin 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
This in no way says that religion shouldn't be practiced, it's just saying don't shove it in my face.
[–]ThatShoopWasEasy 10 points11 points12 points 11 months ago
How is this shoving atheism in your face? It's more like shoving tolerance in your face.
[–]ThatShoopWasEasy 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Those of you downvoting me with no response, please, explain how this "billboard" shoves atheism in your face. All it's saying is that you should keep your religion to yourself.
[–]Komprimus 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
You don't know what agnostic means.
[–]bigwhale 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
No he's definitely an agnostic, and can identify with whatever label he likes. We still just don't know if he is a theist, atheist, or what.
[–]WastedPotential 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I'm quite sure you're an atheist as well.
[–]onionhammer 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
You're an agnostic what? atheist or theist? There is nothing in between.
You can be one or the other, you cannot be neither.. in the same sense as there is no 'third way' between "asymmetrical" or "symmetrical".
[–]gameadd1kt 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
I'm fine with this outside r/atheism. I wish they would take the same approach.
[–]pauldy 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Opinions are like assholes it's fine to have one and be proud of it. Just don't act all indignant and surprised when you expose it and it attracts a bunch of dicks looking to fuck you.
[–]Kumorigoe 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Apparently, the Roman Catholic Church didn't get the memo.
[–]Immynimmy 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
/r/athiesm.
/r/whineaboutwrongsubreddit
[–]SCHMETTERLING 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Somehow, I do not think that message will get through many thick skulls.
[–]nuclear_cheese 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
Maybe they need a bigger penis to do that?
[–]melonbone 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Get that thing out of my face!
[–]steamfolk 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
In what way is this different than what it's complaining about? The post in general, not the photoshopped billboard.
[–]rillegas08 -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
How interesting. This is what I think about atheism.
[–]NotActualIrony 9 points10 points11 points 11 months ago
I'm always up for a lively and intelligent discussion about nearly anything, but I don't like when people shove any belief down my throat, regardless of message or content.
[–]BobsSecondHand 9 points10 points11 points 11 months ago
Atheism isn't a belief.
[–]UltraJake 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I'm assuming NotActualIrony is an Athiest and is referring to Christians shoving their beliefs down his throat.
[–]Bskrilla 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
I am an atheist and I agree. To be fair though (and I admit this is completely anecdotal), I have never once seen an atheist attempt to force his/her beliefs onto anyone.
PS Putting up a sign that says "Millions of People are Good without God. Are you?" is not forcing atheism. Just as putting up a sign that says "Jesus Loves You" is not forcing religion.
[–]onionhammer 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
How interesting. This is what I think about antiatheism.
Good one. Bravo, I shall use this.
Yes. Atheism is like shoving the absence of a penis down everybody's throat.
The above statement is as logical as yours.
[–]AKADriver 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
ooooooh, MkI Golf and an oval-window Beetle.
[–]Nemafrog 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I agree, except I would omit both 'please' and 'PLEASE'
[–]atxpyro 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
i think it's more like a gun
[–]Didorian 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
You go to a building every sunday where everybody shows off their penis?
[–]wolfsystem 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Its not until women start speaking with tongues that you will see the full effect of my religion.
[–]this_guy_over_here 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
woah, look at those old school vw's in the background.... oh wait what were we talking about again.....
[–]bocelot 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
What I think about reposts. It's fine to repost but don't do it a fucking day after it was already posted, and in a different form where you printed it out and put it on a sign.
[–]tilleyrw 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I plan to have a sign made of this and to post them around town.
Say 3' by 5'. Five of them.
Perhaps I should put a slogan at the bottom: "Brought to you by Alliance for a Better Tomorrow" or something more smartass.
[–]Wazowski 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
A picture is worth a thousand words. But if you only have 41 words, just haphazardly paste that shit on a random billboard and reap the karma.
[–]daman345 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
r/pics --->
[–]Fullonraping 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Too bad Catholic priests took that last point literally
[–]Numlocks 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
This is witty and clever and not played out at all. You are funny and smart and will surely convince religious people that atheism is awesome.
[–]21000 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I see eastern Europe Balkan country on this photo. Probably Montenegro or Croatia my guess.
[–]sicinfit 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
RE;RE;RE;RE;RE
[–]luckyfemur 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I like how we say this, and then we have gay pride parades.
[–]Strike3 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Exact same thing could be said about atheists.
[–]Hacksandlies 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Atheism is also a religion, its a set of beliefs like every other religion.
[–]DaveFishBulb 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
This is a massive insult to my penis and all penis kind.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
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