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How I like to imagine all cow farms (i.imgur.com)

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[–]brock_lee 94 points95 points ago

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♪♫ Workin' at the cow-wash... ♪♫

[–]gus_the_bear 14 points15 points ago

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This is how I imagine asians sing the real song.

[–]brock_lee 2 points3 points ago

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Heh, when I sang it out loud, it reminded me of Bostonians.

[–]gus_the_bear 0 points1 point ago

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Haha pawk tha caw at hawvud yawd.

[–]hal9005 6 points7 points ago

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Hold the turtle wax.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I lol'd

[–]woooom 20 points21 points ago

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Here is a Video of it in action. They really seem to love it!

[–]Mustangarrett 4 points5 points ago

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That video delivered in every way possible. To the top with you!

[–]zackks 1 point2 points ago

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I need one of these for my cats.

[–]tremens 0 points1 point ago

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ThinkGeek has a cat massager on sale for $20 right now. I don't own one personally, so I can't vouch for it, but for a twenty you probably couldn't go too badly wrong with it.

[–]conanarama 0 points1 point ago

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That was almost erotic. >_>

[–]Alca_Pwn 7 points8 points ago

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I was hoping for this

[–]dirty_chimp 25 points26 points ago

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I believe this is treatment in a dairy farm. I have heard that dairy farmers pamper their cows as the better treatment reduces stress on the animal resulting in more/better production

[–]Jonmad17 5 points6 points ago*

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The vast majority of cows aren't treated this well. It would be impossible given the dairy needs (or wants, to be more specific) of 7 billion people. Most are on unnatural diets, given very little space, fed hormones, and are even on antibiotics. On top of that, the waste generated can be a major environmental hazard. Let's not get into how horribly beef cows, chicken broilers, and chicken layers are treated.

This is how they spend most of their day.

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[–]Macrauchenia 1 point2 points ago

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I currently live on a dairy farm, and you are both completely wrong about a couple of things.

They are not given hormones.

When they get sick, they get antibiotics. Would you rather them die?

[–]Vee_Vee 1 point2 points ago

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The vast majority of cows are treated this well.

I can make up shit too.

[–]Jonmad17 2 points3 points ago*

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Everything I said is common knowledge within the farming industry. Tell me what I made up and I'll correct it.

Unnatural diets - cows evolved to digest grass, not modified corn

Antibiotics - common knowledge, so i'd thought you'd like to see an FDA report on the issue

Fed hormones - again, common knowledge

Modern farming and global warming are so interconnected that there's even a wikipedia page dedicated to it with many reliable links in it.

The "given very little space" is my opinion, not a provable fact.

[–]bthoman2 11 points12 points ago

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It's not common knowledge. I've worked on a Dairy and a Beef farm. People like you refuse to hear the other side of the story. The picture you provided above is when they are being milked. It would be stupid to keep them in that pen where their muscles would atrophy.

Visit an actual farm. Don't just pull your "facts" from like minded idiots on the internet that don't look into everything and have zero experience in the field.

I did an AMA on my experience and all I got was hate from people who told me I was wrong on things that I HAD DONE MYSELF.

You people are ridiculous.

[–]zackks 1 point2 points ago

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There is a difference between a family run beef farm, and an industrial stockyard for say, McDonalds.

Was your experience from a family farm or a very large stockyard type?

[–]bthoman2 5 points6 points ago

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Yes, I know there is a difference. If you have any experience working with these animals you know the difference.

I worked for the University of Illinois' dairy and beef farm. There we simulate the situations cows would experience in any standard growth operation. Feed lot, organic, family farm, you name it.

In the end it doesn't matter because everyone knows that happy cows produce more of everything. And not a little more, a lot more. I'm talking up to 30% more. Top that with your cows being less susceptible to illness because they are not stressed. Now you're spending less per cow to get more per cow.

It's simple business sense.

[Edit] sorry, that started a bit harsh. I just get so tired of hearing people who think they know something they have no experience tell me about things that I have personally worked on and do have a lot of experience with.

[–]Mercfh 0 points1 point ago

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I completely agree with bthoman2, obviously there are exceptions everywhere when it comes to livestock. But I live in Kentucky and there are TONS AND TONS of Cow/Horse/Chicken farms, and all the major ones they have plenty of space to roam. That doesn't mean there aren't places where it's done wrong.....but just that most of them generally aren't being cruel to the animals.

[–]Jonmad17 -2 points-1 points ago

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You're still not understanding my point. Farming isn't bad, the practices which are typical of AFOs and factory farms are bad. I have the utmost respect for the people who put the food on my plate, but we should do everything in our power to eliminate some of these awful practices.

[–]original_locutus 1 point2 points ago

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I think you have failed to make one...

[–]zackks -2 points-1 points ago

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Illness doesn't matter when you pump them full of steroids and antibiotics :)

Not an advocate at all, I'm a vegetarian.

[–]bthoman2 0 points1 point ago

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We don't pump them full of either. The only time growth hormone is utilized is when a cow is having developmental issues, much like we do with humans. Again, it's a waste of money to give growth hormone to all of your cows, because giving it to a normal cow doesn't result in enough extra yield for it to be profitable.

Steroids don't work in the "I take them THEN I'M INSTANTLY RIPPED". You still have to work out and build muscle mass. It doesn't just happen. Cows don't go body building, so steriods don't really have a big enough effect to be used.

As to antibiotics, in every case that I worked at they were only given to cows that were actually sick. We never wasted it on already healthy cows.

[–]zackks 1 point2 points ago

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"Animals are given antibiotics for a number of reasons — including to get them to grow faster," explains Gail Hansen, a veterinarian who works for the Pew Campaign on Human Health and Industrial Farming. "[Antibiotics] are given to perfectly healthy animals to convert their food more efficiently so they can get to market faster."

And she says this practice of routinely adding low doses of medicines to animal feed is creating bacteria resistant to antibiotics.

link to story

[–]original_locutus -1 points0 points ago

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Ranchers and cattle producers do not like to inject steroids and antibiotics into an animal that is not in need of them. It simply costs too much money for the return on investment. source: TAMU Beef Cow-calf SPA Ranch Economics and Analysis

[–]zackks 0 points1 point ago

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It's in the food.

source

[–]Jonmad17 -1 points0 points ago

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I'm willing to hear the other side of the story. And let me make this absolutely clear: I'm not blaming the farmers. It's simple supply and demand. It wouldn't be possible to have happy grass-fed cows who are aloud to roam as they please when or country is responsible for providing food for billions of people around the world. We simply need to consume less dairy.

[–]original_locutus 1 point2 points ago

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I'm willing to hear the other side of the story.

Ah, finally! An open minded individual. Glad you haven't formed any solid conclusions before looking at the data...

We simply need to consume less dairy.

[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point ago

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http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/khdg0/how_i_like_to_imagine_all_cow_farms/c2kewy0

[–]Vee_Vee 2 points3 points ago

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The vast majority of cows aren't treated this well.

This is not a provable fact either.

[–]Jonmad17 0 points1 point ago

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Confined Animal Feeding Operations would be considered cruel by most who viewed them. And unfortunately they're the norm today, not the exception.

[–]Hee_Hee -1 points0 points ago

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pretentious as fuck

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Pampered? Hardly.

[–]KeepingKidsOnShred 1 point2 points ago

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Don't forget they slaughter the males though

[–]Prawns 18 points19 points ago

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Beef would be fairly tricky to eat if we didn't.

[–]original_locutus 1 point2 points ago

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Would give new meaning to "rare" wouldn't it?!

[–]YourCommentBoresMe 3 points4 points ago

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I can understand - I've had male cow milk before and it just doesn't taste the same as female cow milk.

[–]zackks 2 points3 points ago

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It's too sticky.

[–]Bezulba 3 points4 points ago

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hmmmm beeeeef

[–]BeefMagick 0 points1 point ago

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'Sup?

[–]KeepingKidsOnShred -3 points-2 points ago

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Dairy calfs aren't usually eaten. Just culled.

[–]Prawns 4 points5 points ago

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Veal?

[–]Danno1850 -1 points0 points ago

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Here is a brief description of some of the pampering

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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I wish all farms were like this. They treat the animals with love and respect until they naturally get big and ready. Sadly it's just not like that...... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142# I started crying 10 minutes in.

[–]anadate 2 points3 points ago

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I want this in my bathroom, end of discussion

[–]sharked 2 points3 points ago

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Ever wonder how cows are able to produce milk all year around?

[–]Vee_Vee 1 point2 points ago

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They don't.

Production declines steadily afterwards, until, at about 305 days after calving, the cow is 'dried off', and milking ceases. About sixty days later, one year after the birth of her previous calf, a cow will calve again.

So, about 60 days out of the year, dairy cows do not produce milk.

[–]sharked -2 points-1 points ago

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I stand corrected. 10 months out of the year, cows are producing milk because they are forced to be impregnated. The calve is takan away at birth and often times slaughtered as veal. The process is repeated for 4 years until the cow can no longer produce any more milk. Then they too are slaughtered.

I believe hormons can be injected to increase the lactation time as well.

I'm glad I'm lactose intolerant.

[–]lotsocows 0 points1 point ago

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Calf, and all the females are raised up. Not much of a market for veal these days so most bulls are raised up to at least about 2 years for beef. Most dairy cows on the farm I work on make it way past 4 years.

[–]SSJ3 2 points3 points ago

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Moo gusta

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Reading all these comments about the horrors of cow farms makes me want to have my own cows for dairy products. My cows would be happy cows... I bet happiness makes the milk taste better.

[–]captainpiggies 2 points3 points ago

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her smile looks pretty fucking awsome :D

[–]TTtheFish -1 points0 points ago

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And delicious.

[–]obvioustroll0000 1 point2 points ago

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Fixed

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in sweden we have a realy nice company that is called wapnö. at there farms the cows go on a slow moving mary go around when they feel like being milked and then walk out and eat some more grass there prodocts tasts better to

[–]hbcbob3 4 points5 points ago

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As was said in another comment, most dairy farms pamper their animals because they produce more milk if they are happy. And more milk means more dollars.

[–]Jonmad17 -5 points-4 points ago

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It would be physically impossible to pamper the cows necessarily to produce the amount of dairy 7 billion people consume. Most cows are treated like shit. Local dairy farms are, unfortunately, a rarity today. This is how most modern cows spend their time, and this is how they live.

[–]hbcbob3 7 points8 points ago

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Wrong, jackass. The second picture you have is a beef feedlot operation, and has nothing to do with the dairy industry.

Yes, dairy cattle are milked 2-4 times a day, but they see that as a relief because it releases pressure on their udders. Most dairies keep their cattle under roof in a "freestall" operation, where the cattle are allowed to roam the barn and pick and choose their bedded spot to lay or stand. Then there are pasture fed dairy cattle that have free range of a fenced area. The latter is less common because different grasses can impart flavors in the milk, so a calculated diet is usually their source of food (which, fyi, is usually in front of them 24/7, to allow them to eat as they please, also).

They are obviously not pampered on a one on one basis, but there are machines like one in the OP's post, sprinklers for hot summers and plenty of bedding in their freestalls to make their time as pleasant as possible while also maximizing profit, which is pretty damn slim to begin with.

Now, to correct you on your poor choice of google images, the feedlot is typically used for beef production. I don't completely agree with this myself, but it is how the city folk get most of their meat. The feedlots are able to produce large amounts of meat in a small area. Sorry, but that's how the world works. As I said, I don't particularly care for it, but it is efficient. We raise our cattle on pasture, hence my distaste for feedlots.

[–]lochlainn 6 points7 points ago

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Same here. CAFO's have problems. As somebody who raises beef cattle, I'll admit that.

But to paint those of us who raise cattle as cruel just pisses me off. Healthy, content cattle produce more milk and beef for less cost.

Simple economics, jackasses. Get out of your coffee shops and come visit.

[–]Jonmad17 -5 points-4 points ago

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content cattle produce more milk

That's true, to a small extent, for grass fed cows. Most in this country aren't grass fed. Even the USDA admit that adding moisture to their unnatural diets will produce more milk http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul98/cows0798.htm

Not once in that article does it mention the fact that cows evolved to digest grass, not fucking corn. Factory farms have it down to a science.

Again, i'm not against the concept of farming, but this treatment shouldn't be sanctioned.

[–]lochlainn 0 points1 point ago

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I do beef, and this isn't a huge dairy area, so I can't speak for everywhere, but around here dairy is grass fed. Corn is horrible for cows, though. I don't have a huge problem with using it for finishing, since they are within weeks of slaughter, but feeding it to dairy cows went away here decades ago. Most grain silos changed over to silage of high quality grasses.

[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point ago

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Corn is horrible for cows, though.

Please provide a link to refereed, scientific journal article(s) please...

[–]lochlainn -1 points0 points ago

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Haven't got one, sorry.

Here's an overview of the problems, though: Science Daily

Corn in and of itself, does what it says: marbles the meat. In the correct ratios, it can be used without much detriment, even. Massively overfeeding it to them and pumping them full of antibiotics and hormones is bad for us.

Besides, corn is hugely expensive compared to grass. You just can't achieve the flavor that most people desire in beef as cheaply.

[–]original_locutus -1 points0 points ago

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You just can't achieve the flavor that most people desire in beef as cheaply.

http://dare.colostate.edu/tools/Nichebeef/3.1.pdf page 17

http://ag.arizona.edu/ans/livestockreview/Summer_09/TastePanel.html

http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/2097/7901/1/cattle77pg105-109.pdf

Economics - Grass Fed More Expensive (page 13 for comparison)

http://www.leopold.iastate.edu/research/marketing_files/workshop/presentations/OrganicBeef.pdf

[–]original_locutus -2 points-1 points ago

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Well here, let me help you out of the pit of ignorance.

Corn can serve as the sole grain source in backgrounding and finishing diets. Depending on desired cattle performance, the level of corn can be varied to supply additional energy in the diet of growing and finishing cattle. However, supplemental protein is needed in most corn-based backgrounding and finishing diets, because of corn's low crude protein content.

Processing Corn

Even though corn can be fed whole with satisfactory results, cracking or rolling prior to feeding will increase digestibility by 5 to 10%. In most instances, grinding or rolling corn will not markedly improve average daily gain, but proper processing will improve feed conversion efficiency. As the proportion of corn in the diet increases, the benefits of processing also increase, because corn is supplying a greater portion of the energy. When corn is fed whole, the animal must process the corn by mastication (chewing). Rolling or cracking corn for use in a mixed ration may facilitate better mixing.

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/beef/as1238w.htm

Grazing Corn

http://ohioline.osu.edu/anr-fact/0011.html

And a whole plethora of scientific data to top this off:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=feeding+corn+to+cattle+site:.edu

[–]lochlainn 0 points1 point ago

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Meh.

Says the same thing I already know: too much corn causes problems. Grazing standing corn and using it as a supplement to a grass diet is fine.

If you live in a corn area, feed them corn. I don't, so we don't. The grass is here. The hay is the same as what they eat all summer.

Again: meh.

[–]Jonmad17 -1 points0 points ago

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I can't find unbiased numbers for dairy cow AFOs right now, but the numbers are most likely pretty high. (99% for broiler chicken) Even if the numbers happen to be tiny for diary cows, we should still do everything in our power to get rid of them.

[–]lochlainn 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not a great fan of chicken and turkey farms. Not so much for their treatment of the animals (chickens are very close to the dumbest creature in existence), but their environmental effects, the poor quality of their output (free range eggs are massively superior to farmed), and political cause and effect that accompanies/results from/allows it.

[–]Jonmad17 -3 points-2 points ago*

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Dairy cows aren't treated any better than beef cows. They're both in CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) and they're both fed unnatural diets that often makes them sick. (most antibiotics produced in the United States are used on farm animals.) If you weren't so defensive you'd understand that I wasn't blaming the farmers (they couldn't possibly fill the demand any other way), i'm blaming the consumers. Most nutritionists, agricultural experts, and environmentalists agree: we consume too many animal products. We eat more meat per capita than any other time in history, and it's making us fatter and sicker.

Seriously, anyone reading this who still believes the marketed image of old-timey farms with large green pastures and happy cows shouldn't take my word for it; just research this for yourselves.

[–]Vee_Vee 0 points1 point ago

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Actually, you're full of fucking shit and you're speculating. You are showing pictures of a beef feed lot operation and passing it off as a picture of a dairy farm. Have you seriously convinced yourself that dairy farmers are mistreating their animals knowing full well that mistreatment adversely affects dairy production? That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm not making excuses, beef feed lots are awful, but dairy farming and beef farming are not the same as you seem to suggest. You really should do more research yourself.

[–]Zort-poit 1 point2 points ago

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Why don't you try to stop insulting people for a change? And start to argument properly.

[–]Vee_Vee -2 points-1 points ago

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Your first comment in this thread:

Why do some people think it's ok to be ignorant?

You want to talk to me about fucking insults?? Some nerve.

[–]Zort-poit -1 points0 points ago

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That's not really an insult. only if you are ignorant.

[–]Vee_Vee -1 points0 points ago

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Fuck off retard.

[–]Jonmad17 -1 points0 points ago*

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Diets control their dairy production far more than treatment. That's a fact. More moisture = more milk. It has very little to do with how the animals are treated, especially when they're fed antibiotics and are on unnatural diets.

[–]original_locutus -1 points0 points ago

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Since the scientific literature shows otherwise, would you please explain how you carried out your research that led to this novel, innovated result?

[–]alcaholicost 4 points5 points ago

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Does that yellow thing tenderize it's delicious meat?

[–]zackks 4 points5 points ago

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I see you sitting on the fence there, putting salt and pepper on them as they walk by.

[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point ago

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Rare. Very rare...

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[–]mafontanaaa 15 points16 points ago

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I was fully prepared to see a slaughtered cow on the other end of that link

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[–]mafontanaaa 4 points5 points ago

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I've been hurt too many times to trust it again

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[–]mafontanaaa 4 points5 points ago

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that's the same advice I got just before I stumbled upon goatse

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[–]mafontanaaa 2 points3 points ago

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Well at the time I thought I was going to be looking at something entirely different then a grown man's expanded anus

[–]SirFappleton 1 point2 points ago

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BUT WHERE WILL THEY SCRATCH THEMSELVES

[–]viro89 1 point2 points ago

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fences and trees.

[–]akore 1 point2 points ago

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I dont know why every time i see this picture, i feel like hugging that cow. It just seems so huggable.

[–]mojo8472 1 point2 points ago

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It's not at all uncommon to see those cow brushes

[–]redditor3000 1 point2 points ago

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In reality you're confined to a small cage for your entire life so that you'll gain the maximum fat while being fed corn (which you aren't designed for eating) your children are taken, some killed young and then you're slaughtered.

On the other side without humans all cows would die in a few days. Personally I don't care about inhumane treatment as much as I care about the damage being done to the local ecosystems by the processes to grow mass amounts of corn used as feed, such as fertiliser and clear cutting, as well as the sewage waste from the cows.

[–]CmrdTrotsky 5 points6 points ago

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pretty good description of the ghetto too

[–]redditor3000 4 points5 points ago

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ಠ_ಠ

[–]mercylessanal -1 points0 points ago

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apes =/= cows

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i wish :(

[–]TaterNutz123 0 points1 point ago

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Made me think of this

[–]SteelChicken 0 points1 point ago

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This looks like an F7U12 ahhh yeahh or me gusta pic.

[–]omgbrbicecreamtruck 0 points1 point ago

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mooooooo gusta

[–]MJZMan 0 points1 point ago

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Spas. They're cow spas

[–]A_Monocle_For_Sauron 0 points1 point ago

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I was half expecting a link from a recent Conan episode

[–]angrybob4213 0 points1 point ago

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That triangle logo on the blue part is the TetraPak logo! My dad used to work there!

[–]furywarrior 0 points1 point ago

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I can't even read this thread without remembering watching the Conklin Farm video. Fuck my state.

Edit: don't watch it. I'm not trying to tempt you into watching it, it will fucking ruin your week.

[–]levitron -2 points-1 points ago

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So, this is why I eat "organic" local meat. I don't care so much about the fact that it's "organic," but I'm able to visit the farm and abattoir, and I know that the animals are treated humanely both during their lives, and given a clean, quick, respectful death.

I go chicken catching every once in a while for fund raisers in our community, and it always sickens me to see the terrible conditions that these chickens are forced to live in. I will gladly pay more money for meat that was raised humanely.

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Sadly... not even close

[–]TheDownsideOfThings -4 points-3 points ago

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Too bad they actually get overfed till the farmer feels like stabbing them.

[–]SirFappleton 4 points5 points ago

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This cow is happy. Stfu.

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[–]styroteqe 4 points5 points ago

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so wrong yet so right

[–]Jonmad17 -3 points-2 points ago

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This cow is, but most aren't. This is how farming is marketed, this is the reality for the most part.

[–]lochlainn 12 points13 points ago

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Your first picture is of 99% of a cow's life around here. In the case of breeding females on our farm, they'll die here of old age most of the time.

Your last picture is of the last 4-5 weeks before slaughter.

Neither picture shows you any indication of the cow's happiness anyway. Cows don't care about much. Certainly not overcrowding (they're herd animals) or shit. So long as they have enough food and water, they're more or less content.

If, as I suspect, you have issue with CAFO's, at least have problems with them for the right reasons: They have massively inadequate sewage systems. Antibiotics are administered to keep the cows healthy, which hurts us. And they use hormones to push them through as fast as possible.

But make sure you don't paint the whole beef industry, including our family farm and virtually every other farm around me, and the local processing plants who don't grain finish, with the same brush. It's a problem with regulatory capture, political corruption, and corporate greed, NOT with the beef industry in general.

[–]Jonmad17 -3 points-2 points ago*

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Your first picture is of 99% of a cow's life around here

If that's the case, it's fantastic. But we both know that those numbers aren't typical nation wide. Feeding millions (billions actually) off small local farms, like the first picture, would be impossible given our dairy consumption.

And I do have many issues with CAFOs, but we're discussing animal welfare right now, not the environmental and medical atrocities that they cause.

Let me be entirely clear: I don't have a problem with farming, I have a problem with how most animals are farmed today.

[–]lochlainn 2 points3 points ago

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Almost wrote the same thing as the other reply I wrote to you!

[–]bthoman2 2 points3 points ago

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If, as you claim, most animals live in these horrible conditions, how come whenever these come up actual farmers come on and say "that's not how we do it" and I never hear "yep, that's what we do"

[–]Jonmad17 -2 points-1 points ago

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AFOs are usually owned by companies and the farmers are just workers, they can't speak out. There are a bunch of great classically run farms, but most of the meat we eat are from these abusive factory farms. My beef (awful pun) is with these abusive factories, not the classical farmers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enwU5jIXSlU

[–]bthoman2 -2 points-1 points ago

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Even if you're right and they can't speak up because it's a company they would punish them, why can't a worker speak up on reddit? Because the government is tracking their brain waves? They can't be discovered here.

[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point ago

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But we both know that those numbers aren't typical nation wide.

National Agricultural Statistics Service.

[–]SirFappleton -1 points0 points ago

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Reddit: trusts the government statistics "Fuck the government"

[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point ago

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Awww. Scumbag Reddit - Uses government statistics only when it fits their world view...

[–]zackks 0 points1 point ago

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Yep. How else do you get 99 cent mcdoubles?!?!?!?!?!

[–]lotsocows -1 points0 points ago

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we have those, the retarded cows keep breaking them though

[–]Zort-poit -4 points-3 points ago

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Why do some people think it's ok to be ignorant?

[–]lochlainn 7 points8 points ago

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Dunno. Lots of ignorance about raising cattle in this thread.

Not only that, but it's willful ignorance.

Most of us who actually raise cattle get downvoted to oblivion. It's like the city-dwelling hipsters who swarm on Reddit have a predefined view of how the world works, and when we show them the truth, they ignore it.

[–]bthoman2 3 points4 points ago

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Right with you buddy. I did am AMA about my time on a Dairy and a Beef farm and all I got was hate and people telling me that I was lying about THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

It's easy to surround yourself with likeminded fools who don't actually have experience in the field. It doesn't make you an expert in the field and it doesn't mean all or even most farms are horrible. It pisses me off.

[–]lochlainn 2 points3 points ago

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It's hard not to be an expert on everything when you're 20 and in college surrounded by other cool, hip experts in everything.

Hell, I was an expert on everything when I was 20 and at college, too.

[–]Mercfh 2 points3 points ago

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God this so much, I mean OBVIOUSLY there are people who our raising cows in a not so good scenario. But most people who make a living off of it do it the right and proper way. I mean I live in Kentucky, and there are alot of Cow and Horse farms, actually.....they take up most of the land where Im from. And they all have tons of room to roam, and are kept in stress free environments. But alas the hipsters find a youtube video of chickens getting abused and it's "OMG ALL CATTLE/CHICKEN FARMERS ARE MONSTERS"

[–]Hunter_of_Alots 0 points1 point ago

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Alot of the cow farms, in its natural habitat.

[–]Zort-poit 2 points3 points ago

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You are absolutely right. Of course not all who raise cattle automatically mistreat them! But I can't stand when people are willfully ignorant to the fact that their meat/milk doesn't necessarily come from a farm where the animals were treated good. And I really think they don't have the right to be ignorant about this, they either have to face the truth or they should stop eating meat.

[–]lochlainn 1 point2 points ago

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Mistreatment makes no economic sense. Healthy cattle produce better, period. The cases of mistreatment are the exception, rather than the rule.

[–]Vee_Vee 1 point2 points ago

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Do you always talk to yourself on Reddit?

[–]Jonmad17 -1 points0 points ago

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People don't like knowing that they contribute to the mistreating of animals; they'd rather eat their steaks in ignorance. Can you blame them?

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[–]Rhendal -1 points0 points ago

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See all that brown on the floor and the splatter on the walls there? There's still shit all over the place in your fantasy.

[–]bthoman2 2 points3 points ago

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Dude, this is how we do this. And I have news for you. Cows don't give a shit about shit. Even in a wide, open field I've still seen a cow straight up sleep in a pile of shit on the ground.

[–]Zort-poit -2 points-1 points ago

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I'm sure they also don't care about infections, right?

[–]bthoman2 1 point2 points ago

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Wait, aren't you supposed to say "BUT YOU GIVE THEM ANTIBIOTICS WHICH ARE BAD!!!" after this?

They don't really get infections. In all my time I only saw one cow with an actual infection that we cleared up easily. This is not included the cases of mastitis though, which are also easily cleared up.

The poop is on the floor, poop is always on the floor. Cows don't have carpet. It doesn't matter if they're outside or not. THERE IS ALWAYS POOP EVERYWHERE.

I take it you've never worked with animals?

[–]White_Racist 0 points1 point ago

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Have you ever been near...um, any farm animals ever? Pigs, horses, cows, donkeys? Show me a farm/barn/etc that's clean, and I'll show you one that's deserted of all farm animals.

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They are more like this or this

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Farm is not the same as slaughterhouse, fyi.

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FTFY

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Indeed you did.

[–]North_No_2 -2 points-1 points ago

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Animals are also mistreated on farms, fyi.

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You don't think there's enough actual suffering going on that pictures and videos couldn't be found of animals suffering on farms? Misinformation doesn't help anyone.

[–]North_No_2 -2 points-1 points ago

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What? what does that have to do with my comment? That's exactly what I am saying! Animals are being abused everywhere! I just wanted to tell you it doesn't matter what kind of videos he posted, it's the same shit everywhere!

Edit: grammer

[–]Durpadoo -1 points0 points ago

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That's gonna be one delicious steak.

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