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89 years later still... (i.imgur.com)
submitted 11 months ago by RedCoatsForever
[–]IncredibleBenefits 144 points145 points146 points 11 months ago
Evidence for evolution was already overwhelming in 1922. It completely fucking baffles me that people still manage to deny it.
[–]FCalleja 66 points67 points68 points 11 months ago
And this was before DNA was discovered, wasn't it? Now with that on the table it's ridiculous people refuse to accept it.
[–]the_walrus_was_ringo 31 points32 points33 points 11 months ago
Approx. 30 years before the structure of DNA was determined.
[–][deleted] 11 months ago
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[–]blisk 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Thanks CIA for the free LSD in 1951!
(at least in one particular french town, maybe)
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
It was after DNA had been discovered, but before its structure or the mechanism for genetic inheritance had been elucidated.
[–]Radico87 25 points26 points27 points 11 months ago
there are more stupid people than clever people today. Something about breeding like locusts
[–]MusikLehrer 26 points27 points28 points 11 months ago
Media propaganda doesn't help either.
[–]tarantulus[] 13 points14 points15 points 11 months ago
I think there are plenty of potentially clever people, it's just that being stupid is "cool".
[–]freedomgeek 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Eh, every generation thinks it's at the beginning of a new age of degenerates.
[–]pg1989 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
xkcd on the subject
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Oh Dad, we're all devo!
[–]bernlin2000 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Religion makes people do the craziest things. I have yet to meet a person whose denial of evolution is not motivated by their religious beliefs. My brother yesterday actually said that he understand evolution of nature, but thinks its ridiculous to say we come from primates. "If we evolved from them, why are they still alive?!!!!!"
At some point, I just had to tell him to stfu, because he knows I know more than him about the subject, and he wanted to pretend we had the same level of knowledge.
[–]alettuce 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
That's a really good point I hadn't thought of...evolution-deniers are always religious.
[–]superwinner 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Doesn't baffle me, there are powerful people in the world who want a christian theocracy in the US, and they'll use any tactic they can to get it.
[–]cosworth99 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
It scares me to think we are on the brink of a new Dark Ages where certain Christians could treat Atheists and Scientists very badly.
[–]kaminix 16 points17 points18 points 11 months ago
Come to Europe then. No christian dark age here.
[–]mrlint 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
except the one Europe already had:)
[–]kaminix 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Luckily, that's hardly relevant for everyday life anymore. :-)
[–]megabiceps 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
sorry but this is just stupid
[–]HowItWillEnd 132 points133 points134 points 11 months ago
The "Of course," gets me every time I read this quote.
[–]illz569 60 points61 points62 points 11 months ago
Sometimes I think about what our past presidents would say if they saw the current state of our nation and I start to get embarrassed.
[–]rasalghul 40 points41 points42 points 11 months ago
he still is the only president who had a pHd
[–]Didji 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
Jeb Bartlett had a PhD in Economics.
[–]Izzhov 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
Jeb Bartlett was not a US President.
[–]Didji 13 points14 points15 points 11 months ago
Pfff, that's discussing. Trying to delegitimize a great American President simply because he had MS.
[–]seeasea 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
And a nobel prize for actual work!
[–]genron1111 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
He only shared the prize though.
he deserved the whole thing, that japanese guy obviously didnt know what he was talking about
[–]alettuce 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Don't discourage discussion.
[–]Melchoir 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
Yep, plenty of lawyers though: List of Presidents of the United States by education
[–]rasalghul 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
And plenty of left handed ones
[–]bewmar 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Sinister.
[–]DougDante 14 points15 points16 points 11 months ago*
Woodrow Wilson also said: (some racist stuff - I can't stand to see it in my comment) here
One of the problems for the evolution's acceptance has been it's historical use by racists to justify their actions.
[–]grandom 46 points47 points48 points 11 months ago
No. This is not a problem for evolution. It's an excuse used by the ignorant.
[–]DougDante 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
read that sentence again my friend.
[–]grandom 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I'm not dismissing what you said. I'm dismissing the argument. Sorry for the miscommunication.
[–]ExogenBreach 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
The Spartans performed eugenics long before Darwin.
[–]genericdave 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
I think it's amazing that some people disregard evolution simply because a bunch of racist people who didn't actually understand evolution in the slightest believed in their own deluded, racist fantasies to which they mistakenly applied the term "evolution."
[–]seeasea 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
sometimes ideas, even true ideas will be rejected because of their outcomes.
(Atheists will often use (also) this argument against religion in showing that religion leads to bad outcomes, (although to be fair its often in response to religious claims of goodness))
In fact, if I can rationalize rejecting a truth, that if thereby I can prevent a bad actual outcome, I will gladly do so.
I hope that searching for truth will never to you be more important than people's actions.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago*
I am still on the fence about that one - specifically intellectual capacity differences between different human sub groups.
It has been recently shown that people living outside Sub Saharan Africa have Neanderthal and Denisovan genes, so there is some specific genetic difference between Africans and non Africans. Evolution is not really about higher vs lower species - it's simply about adaptation to an environment.
By the way if you subjugate a group of people - there is no real reason for them to be inferior intellectually, the ancient world had no concept of racial slavery, everyone was an equal opportunity slaver - if you were a Gaul, Greek, Macedonian, Egyptian, Ethiopian or a Jew - you would still make a fine slave in Athens or Rome.
[–]Melchoir 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
It has been recently shown that people living outside Sub Saharan Africa have Neanderthal and Denisovan genes, so there is some specific genetic difference between Africans and non Africans.
Svante Pääbo frowns upon your reasoning. (15:39 - 16:21)
[–]sulumits-retsambew 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago*
It's his opinion, but so far he has no data to back his claim. From what he has shown from the data it is very likely that there is some absolute difference (perhaps small) between Africans and non Africans, the fact that Africans mixed inside Africa with other earlier humans doesn't negate this possibility.
The claim that every human sub group has the same intellectual capacity is not backed up by hard data. Can you for example explain the following anomaly:
http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html
Out of all the Nobel Prize recipients about 22% were ethnically Ashkenazi Jews - this is a very strange outlier considering that Ashkenazi Jews comprise 0.1% of the World's Population and perhaps about 1% of the Western European population.
Edit: Just to clarify, I am talking about statistical data only and statistics deals with averages, there are obviously outliers in all populations.
[–]Iconochasm 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
There are three groups who routinely score a standard deviation above white Americans on IQ tests, Ashkenazi Jews, Han Chinese, and Brahman Indians. Interesting, those are also the three groups where male status competition is primarily intellectual. In particular, for the Ashkenazi group, that competition came in the form of arguing the Talmud, a book of law. In other words, Ashkenazi have been self-selecting for lawerly traits for quite a long time.
[–]seeasea 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
It also worked backwards for Western Europeans, where the only way out of poverty for an intelligent boy was by going into the clergy, which self-selected out of the gene-pool many smart people.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
What about intelligent girls? By the way in the East Orthodox Church priests were encouraged to marry, why don't we see a disproportionate number of Greeks, Romanians or Bulgarians among Nobel Prize winners?
[–]Melchoir 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago*
Well, he does present some data on absolute differences around 6:40, and it broadly suggests that there aren't any. (Granted, this part of the talk is weaker than it may seem, because he doesn't go into the statistics: with 38,877,749 variables and 185+184 samples, how many differences at 100% and 95% should we have expected under various models? It would be nice to have annotated citations with the video.)
Edit: As for the Jewish Nobels, I'll let Steven Pease answer that one. Suffice it to say that the Ashkenazi Jew ethnicity is historically strongly correlated with religious practices and economic forces that encourage learning, and it would be very difficult to correct for this correlation if you want to draw conclusions about genetic effects.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
95% is pretty weak considering there were obviously gene exchanges in the last 700 or so years (and even before) back into Africa.
If he could find absolute differences at even 65% it would be statistically significant when comparing populations. Additionally he explains that specific absolute base pair differences are not that important, but a combination is, because obviously you can differentiate between a European and an African based by skin color - it would be difficult to argue there are no other differences.
[–]Melchoir 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I think we're working with different definitions of "absolute". Unfortunately, it would probably take more jargon than I know to clear it up properly.
Yes, you are right, I should have said that there are statistical differences between Africans and Non Africans.
[–]SeahorseRider 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Too lazy to google but I swear I read that the ancestors that migrated north into Europe interbred with a species of lesser intelligence but was more adapted the environment in other ways. The Africans didn't. Doesn't say much for white people honestly. Feel free to dissect my comment those more knowledgeable than I.
[–]sulumits-retsambew 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Actually since we don't have a live neanderthal specimen it is unclear if they had lesser intelligence compared to homo sapiens. In recent studies it has been estimated that their brain was of comparable size (or even somewhat bigger).
Source: http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/09/neanderthal/
[–]geezlers 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
People like Ron Paul too and he has made some incredibly racist comments before his run for presidency.
1922....meh
[–]Niten 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
If you want to see some real historical use by racists to justify their actions, check out what's been done in the name of Christianity sometime.
[–]docmedic 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
In his defense, practically everyone back then would be what we consider racist now. Heck, maybe in the future affirmative action (or lack thereof) would seem to be extremely racist (arguable now). He was probably the nicer of the racists back then too, of the "we need to lead these savages to their rightful place" variety instead of the "kill them all" type.
In any case, the fact that evolution might have started out as a racist ideology in the realm of politics has no bearing no its scientific merit; it's still the most thoroughly tested model of how the world works.
[–]krangksh 10 points11 points12 points 11 months ago*
You shouldn't defend Woodrow Wilson as "just as racist as everyone else", he is easily the most racist president in post-slavery US history. Read James W. Loewen's* Lies My Teacher Told Me for a detailed inspection of the heroification of Woodrow Wilson in American history.
Under Wilson's watchful and approving eye, segregation was reinstated in many areas (including federal positions) that had been abolished by Abraham Lincoln (and which stood until the civil rights movement). The underrated President Grant had all but exterminated the Ku Klux Klan after the civil war, and it wasn't until Wilson that they managed to have the surge in support that they needed for their second national wave. There were larger and more serious race riots during Wilson's presidency than there had been for almost 50 years.
There was a lot of national racism fomenting during the post-Reconstruction era to be sure, but Wilson really stands alone as representing what it means to American blacks to live under a feverishly racist presidency (at least in the post-slavery era, one could perhaps argue that during the time of slavery Wilson had a lot of like-minded company in the white house).
*edit: Loewen, not Lowell.
[–]log_luddite 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
You have just resoundingly affirmed that I need to read this book. In my head Woodrow Wilson was like this great intellectual hope of what presidents should be, it's sad to me that is so wrong.
[–]krangksh 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
It is an amazingly enlightening book on the false history we are all taught. Even as a Canadian, I harken back to the pilgrim thanksgiving ceremonies we were made to participate in as a 5-year-old with shame and revulsion. I dare even admit that I had some racist views toward native peoples as a youth, which I would love to blame on the lies I was taught about the natives and their place in history in school. I always thought "why should we have to give them special treatment when they never personally owned anything that we never personally stole?" But what I was an ignorant fool about at that time was what a lie the picture painted in my textbooks was, how unbelievably racist and egregious and appalling and widespread and endless the slaughter, torture, and enslavement of the natives was, and how the people of the time and their progeny actually wiped the truth clean in order to preserve the heart-warming lie that the world keeps on slowly getting better and less racist and more inclusive.
Did you know that shortly after the civil war, there was a white congressman in the south that married a black woman and was re-elected? That couldn't happen in many of those southern areas even today, not to mention the shocking amount of segregation and national racism that existed in the 60s which was all abolished by Lincoln (and re-instated of course by Wilson). In the 1870s Grant was crushing the KKK, and in the 1920s Warren G. Harding was being inducted as an official member in the green room of the white house.
I could go on and on, but you might as well just read this excellent book. Once you're done being electrocuted by reality, I strongly recommend you download (or purchase) the audio lecture series Rethinking Our Past (given by the passionate and captivating Loewen himself).
[–]log_luddite 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Purchased on Kindle, psyched to read. Also, NB to any other Kindle owners, it's only $4.51 right now so if you don't have it, you can scoop that shit up on the cheap.
[–]jamkey 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Thank you. You saved me having to go grab this book in order to lay the smack down on ol' Woody. This book is the reason I want to teach high school American history eventually.
[–]wisenheimer 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
When you read this quote reposted twice a month?
[–]G59 65 points66 points67 points 11 months ago
He was too optimistic about humanity.
[–]boss1000 19 points20 points21 points 11 months ago
White humanity. He was a pretty big racist.
[–]popnlochnessmonster 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Yep, probably even used his ideas of evolution to justify his racist beliefs.
[–]sage_joch 62 points63 points64 points 11 months ago
There's that fag talk again.
[–]BlackbeltJones 46 points47 points48 points 11 months ago
Sexually yours,
Woodrow
[–]MusikLehrer 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
Yours is a butt that won't quit,
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up.
[–]CatalyticDragon 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
Your shit is also retarded.
[–]Raz4life 47 points48 points49 points 11 months ago
I came to reddit to procrastinate on my paper about Wilson, but it seems I can't escape!
[–]Jackle13 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
At least now you have a great quote to insert somewhere!
[–]Tylerdurdon 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
In Tom Hanks's voice: WILSON!!!!!!!!
[–]peachysomad 15 points16 points17 points 11 months ago
At this point it's just incredible stubbornness and "I HAVE FAITHLOLOLOL" that's ruining it. We have all the fucking evidence that anyone could desire. People just don't want to look at it.
[–]fuzzyk1tt3n 20 points21 points22 points 11 months ago
That makes me very sad.
[–]KChasm 14 points15 points16 points 11 months ago
Woodrow Wilson was a colonialist bigot, and unashamed of it.
That is all.
[–]The_Law_of_Pizza 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
And he was also an impassioned idealist who wanted to bring all of the world's countries together and end war.
You can find dirt on just about every historical figure. Wanna know why?
Because every hero that has ever existed, every role model, every champion of the good and pure - they were all human, and had their own vices.
[–]DASOTAdex 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
But to be fair, some vices are worse than others. If you generalize this far, you could call major crimes against humanity 'vices'.
Wilson had a foreign policy of colonialism/imperialism, and I feel we are still trying to repair the errors of colonialism to this day.
[–]oldrinb 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Repairing it? We're continuing it. American exceptionalism still fuels the idea it's OK to use force to coerce others into entering our sphere of influence.
[–]Keishii 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
Having a debate over FB with a creationist right now.
Good lord.
[–]cXhristian 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Be sure to be snarky and post screencaps so we can feel superior.
[–]Keishii 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago*
Dammit. The guy who posted the original status deleted the whole thing before I could capture any of it. T____T
I basically argued evolution vs. creationism. The lady I was talking to ignored every question I asked her and either discredited whatever evidence I gave with no reason or ignored what I said.
I asked if she could actually answer one of my questions so she responded that she was done 'debating' against someone who wouldn't provide evidence or be reasonable.
O_O
[–]Khoops66 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
It's a shame he didn't understand women suffrage ಠ_ಠ
[–]had3l 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
As someone that grew up in another country, I was completely baffled when I was around 18 and started getting interested in US politics and learned that quite a few people over there didn't believe in evolution.
To put in an US perspective, it would be the equivalent of learning that people in the UK didn't believe in gravity.
[–]kaminix 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Same. Same. Europe high five!
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 11 months ago
This from the guy that signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Scumbag Wilson.
[–]norseman23 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
He at least apologized for it. That counts, right?
[–]tarantulus[] 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
He didn't, the book that quote was taken from is a mishmash of different quotes, glued together in various different ways.
Wilson himself said so in the preface.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Apologized on his death bed. Maybe a little late, but you won't find the History Channel doing a special about this any time soon (unfortunately.)
[–]snough9 10 points11 points12 points 11 months ago
Sure you will. Aliens signed the Fed Reserve act...
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
The Federal Reserve Banking Act was passed by a voice vote on Christmas Eve in 1913 where almost all lawmakers were out of town. Similar Banking Acts came up for debate but were always stymied.
The Fed was created in deception and lives today in deception.
[–]fondlemeLeroy 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
No, no, no. It was aliens.
[–]snough9 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
You have the perfect username for that...
Yes, touche!
[–]abaddon1125 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Not unless aliens were involved.
[–]RedAnarchist 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
No. No he didn't. That's a bullshit quote that gets repeated ad nasuem on the internet (especially by Ron Paul supporters)
[–]IrritatedQuail 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I'm curious-- there's a lot of hate for the Federal Reserve Act on this thread. Why was it so awful? In reading the wiki page, it was created to deal with bank panics, among other things, which sounds like a pretty reasonable approach.
I'm not trolling, I'm honestly curious.
You should watch the movie called The Money Masters. It explains why the Federal Reserve Act is both Constitutionally illegal and morally corrupt.
[–]sleastack 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
IMO the worst President ever.
[–]johnbranflake 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Woodrow wilson also re-segregated the army and was a believer in eugnenics.
[–]Not_A_Slave 28 points29 points30 points 11 months ago
I agree with him on this point, but I wouldn't be proud to quote Woodrow Wilson. He was a racist, and he totally fucked up our financial system, as he admitted and apologized for later.
[–]SeetharamanNarayanan 8 points9 points10 points 11 months ago
he totally fucked up our financial system, as he admitted and apologized for later.
You're probably thinking of the "I am a most unhappy man..." quote that gets thrown around a lot on the internet. It's sort of a misquote. The "full text" of the quote is really a mashup of several unrelated quotes that he did say, thrown together to look like an apology for the Federal Reserve Act. In reality, Wilson never regretted the Federal Reserve stuff; in fact, he was pretty proud of it.
Check out the UW professor's quote at the bottom of this page.
But don't let me and my fact-checking get in the way of idiots on the internet upvoting their preexisting beliefs.
Regardless of how Wilson actually felt about it, most citizens do feel very strongly against it.
[–]Not_A_Slave 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Fine. He totally fucked up our financial system, and he was glad about it. Are you happy now?
[–]ajwhitla 24 points25 points26 points 11 months ago
Meh, most people in the past were racists. Most of the founding fathers were, Gandhi was, ect. You can't completely judge the beliefs of people in the past because it was literally a different time then.
Feel free to judge current day racists as harshly as possible, though.
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 11 months ago*
Woodrow Wilson was more than a casual racist. He wrote a preface to the film "Birth of a Nation" praising the Ku Klux Klan and instituted segregation in the federal government and military (which had previously ended in 1863!). Before Wilson's presidency, Washington DC was integrated. It took 30 years to get the city re-integratednafter him. I judge the man pretty harshly.
Here's a good quote:
"Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen." -Woodrow Wilson
[–]WastedPotential 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
-Abraham Lincoln
[–]chazysciota 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Full speech: http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/american-authors/19th-century/abraham-lincoln/the-writings-of-abraham-lincoln-04/
All I can say on this is that, hey, you've got to start somewhere. Given the era, it was quite ballsy to say what he said in the speech. He may have been racist, but he saw slavery for the evil that it was. Also worth noting that this was 3 years before he became president.
Also, I find it awesome that he asked the audience for "profound silence" and he probably got it.
[–]mrlint 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
ron paul Woodrow Wilson would agree with this quote. go read something not written by the media about his stances.
(braces for downvotes :)
[–]octoquake 41 points42 points43 points 11 months ago
Nice try, time-travelling racist.
[–]dreamingawake09 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
He still started the whole imperialistic empire that is the US with his Classical Liberal ideals, along with invading multiple Latin America countries as well taking over their Customs Houses. The guy will still be marked as a douche in my book, Ph.D or not.
[–]Timmaey 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
yuuuuup
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
My neighbor when I was a kid was his granddaughter. She was very nice and didn't care that my father was Irish and my mom is Hispanic, I can't think of anything bad to say about her, she treated me like one of her own. It was very comforting when I learned about the way he was that at least one of his grandchildren wasn't like that. I don't have any proof of this because I didn't walk around her living room taking pictures of her pictures but she lived in alamo heights, tx.
The whole Wilson regretted creating the fed ("I am a most unhappy man") is a load of shit.
Read some quotes that can actually be attributed to him and you'll see he was and remained quite proud of the financial system he enacted.
[–]mericaftw 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
I really only begrudge him his racism. He's kind of a funny guy. Tries to improve relations with Mexico and pisses them off to the point where Argentina and Brazil have to go "Woah there little buddy, you're gonna hurt yourself." and act as mediators between us and the Mexicans.
[–]shadowlands339 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
15 years ago this was a non-issue. People have short attention spans. It's almost like nobody remembers what it was like in the 90's.
[–]davoh 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Truf, but I he makes me rage with what shit he did during his presidency.
Thanks for the Fed asshole.
[–]phernoree 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.
[–]whatada 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Not the best example of an ethical atheist. Woodrow Wilson was one of the worst American offenders of authoritarianism in the 20th century. You know; all that war waging, imprisoning of dissenters, and putting his foot directly through the constitution to justify his shitty war.
[–]deepwank 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
It's a shame this was submitted to /r/atheism. Accepting evolution is hardly conflicting with most aspects of religion, only the antiquated belief of creationism.
[–]Mispelling 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
It is a shame this was posted to r/atheism. This comes from a man who said after his election:
"Remember that God ordained that I should be the next president of the United States. Neither you nor any other mortal or mortals could have prevented this."
Also, I find it hard to believe r/atheism would want to be associated with some of Wilson's other beliefs (as pointed out elsewhere in this thread).
[–]Menion 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
If only he had known...
[–]thenextavailablename 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Nailed it.
[–]ganzta 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Except this very comment...I'm speechless.
89 years, makes you think :/
[–]greenrock 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
when looking back on this era will we call it "the era of simultaneous expansion in information and stupidity"?
edit: the current one not Wilson's
[–]Rakuen 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
"As for the perverse and sinful doctrine which he (Virgil) against God and his own soul has uttered—if it shall be clearly established that he professes belief in another world and other men existing beneath the earth, or in (another) sun and moon there, thou art to hold a council, deprive him of his sacerdotal rank, and expel him from the Church."
--Arguably the most powerful man in the world at the time, Pope Zachary, on the idea of a non-flat Earth.
[–]sharkbiscuit 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
This scares me.
[–]elelias 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I think it is scary how big the percentage of "false/not sure" is in all of the countries.
[–]muyuu 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
The "false" part is the important one. Should be ordered by this field instead. "Not sure" is fine, as not everybody has to necessarily be interested in this particular field of knowledge.
[–]The_Law_of_Pizza 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
"Not sure" is fine...
No, it's not.
Basic evolutionary theory is high-school level stuff. Add to that the fact that you can see it in everyday life when you walk your poodle next to your corgi, and being "not sure" about evolution is akin to being "not sure" whether gravity exists. It's either total ignorance or willful blindness.
[–]muyuu 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago*
People cannot be held responsible for the quality of high schools during their upbringing.
Ignorance is always fine, and knowledge is always "trivial" in hindsight. Being not sure about evolution being the main factor that led to our existence is not trivial at all without prior knowledge. Geniuses of the highest stature from other fields didn't get it for many centuries.
[–]john2kxx 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
He signed the fucking Federal Reserve Act. But hey, he believed in evolution, so it's all good, amirite?!
Perfect example of what matters and what doesn't in the executive office.
[–]darkangelx 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Even people that understand evolution can be bought with enough money...
[–]Griff_Steeltower 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
He was also president of his fraternity (Phi Psi).
Which does the hivemind hate more, frat guys or creationists?
[–]mburke1124 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
"Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised." - Woodrow Wilson, 1922
[–]sawser 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
People really need to properly cite sources on these things so I don't have to work so hard to validate them.
Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised. Letter to Winterton C. Curtis (29 August 1922)
[–]MarshallBravestarr 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
It's a shame he used his knowledge of evolution to support and defend his racist practices and beliefs.
[–]Russiophile 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Wow. That statement makes me hate this imperialistic, murdering piece of shit just a little less.
He was the worst president ever
[–]gigashadowwolf 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
"Segregation is not humiliating but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen. "
-Woodrow Wilson
[–]Beastddude 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Don't forget how much a a bigoted asshole Wilson was. A hard core dixiecrat who held public screenings of D.W Griffith's: A Birth of a Nation in the white house and said "It's all so terribly true." Fuck him.
[–]Ikouze 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Woodrow Wilson was an asshole. A racist one at that. He also supported the KKK.
[–]espanabarca 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Next thing you know, this man of intelligence and education sold the United States to a private bank.
[–]terrystop0094 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
this is the same guy who was a huge racist, right?
[–]Clutter 11 points12 points13 points 11 months ago
Doesn't that describe every guy at that time?
[–]Mark_Mark 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
Man, that's timeist. You shouldn't say stuff like that.
[–]popnlochnessmonster 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Yes, but I don't think every guy instituted segregation at a federal level.
[–]spyson 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Yes of course people had different views on racism back then, but rarely is someone known to be a noted racist and was infamous for it.
[–]Atraktape 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
If things were reversed and he believed in civil rights but not evolution, he would be mocked here for his hilarious ignorance.
[–]cXhristian 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
With something like "The Eruption of Tulsa" happening in the same time period, it does not surprise me that the president was racist too.
[–]philosoraptocopter 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Ad hominemnomnom
[–]ivosaurus 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
America, you've regressed.
[–]Yboc 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Anyone else think Woodrow is an awesome name?
[–]KirosTheGreat 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
For those who'd like to Wikipedia:
Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate Theodore Roosevelt and Republican nominee William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.
So it looks like that quote came shortly after his 2-term Presidency, and just 2 years before his death. Although I don't know much about him, I'll remember him for being a 20th-century badass.
[–]SuperMoist 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
Woodrow Wilson was a piece of shit and caused both World War I and by extension World War II.
[–]DiscoUnderpants 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
WW caused WWI now? Ummm for a person in Europe I have to ask how so?
I think all us europeans would love to hear this story.
Perhaps we could take the one about the US single-handedly putting an end to WW2 as well.
[–]kaminix 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
On the other hand, I think my view of WW2 is quite skewed as well because we didn't learn much at all about how important the US efforts were or why the US mixed in to begin with.
[–]tarantulus[] 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
"X did a bad thing" is not equal to "X is wrong on all subjects".
Sometimes bad people say true things too...
Now you're just ridiculous! How could he be right one time if he's wrong another? It doesn't make any sense! 0_o
[–]Arialaxe 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
You have no grasp of the history of World War One if you thing Wilson caused it, or even caused the US to enter it.
Look up the Zimmerman Telegram if you want to know why the US entered WWI. After that, they were sort of forced into it by the Germans.
[–]jgop 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
here, here for Wilsonian Armenia!
Say what? did you reply to the wrong comment?
[–]darthcorvus 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Yes, I just started using a new Reddit app on my phone and it has been making me reply to the wrong comments. Also, it has no edit function or inbox. Guess I'm going back to 'Reddit Is Fun'.
[–]tkemberli 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Damm aug lovers...Augmentations are EVIL!
[–]freedomgeek 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Bah, augmentations are the future you luddite bastard.
But what does this have to do with the original post?
[–]tkemberli 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Organic Evolution. But you are right,augmentations are machines...
[–]Beefin 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
404 errrrror
Great people has passed but they are still alive in our heart!!!
[–]CoolerRon 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
The irony of it all is that modern technology, medical advances, and social welfare programs will keep the less fit to survive -- even those who may refute or refuse evolution.
[–]TheRealPariah 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Not to get in the way of the ongoing and constant circle-jerk on this subreddit, but would Wilson have said similar things about scientific theories that were completely accepted at the time and have since been discounted?
[–]biggiepants 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
There's no reason to think society has to get smarter.
Again I will have to tease you americans. :-D
Here in Sweden most people would agree with him. :-)
[–]thebabbster 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Wasn't he the man who gave a rave review to the movie Birth of a Nation?
[–]moriquendo 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Clearly, this man was an elitist and out of touch! Out of touch with the half-illiterate rabble, that is. Lucky him!
Shitty photoshop job. Next time you want to repost, just take the earlier, more attractive one.
[–]RedCoatsForever[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I used MS Paint, cause I'm so pro.
[–]TheHalf 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Can we refrain from quoting racist assholes?
[–]cmcintyre3600 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Woodrow Wilson died in 1921.
[–]Zarking_Fardwarks 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924)
[–]cmcintyre3600 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Whoops, you're right. I was looking at the dates he held office.
[–]praisecarcinoma 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Woodrow Wilson: Responsible for the Federal Reserve. A man I would never quote in a good way.
[–]gypsiequeen 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Strap on your skates, Gordy, yer goin' in!
[–]trevorrr 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Interesting side-note, Woodrow Wilson implemented the national bank system which put a ridiculous amount of power into the banks and fucked our system hard. To this date we're being fucked by his actions.
...and then brought the Federal Reserve back.
[–]elephantwreck 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
That's why this mother fucker was on the 100,000 dollar bill.
[–]Alpha_and_Teilhard 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
So the only neo-con who believes in evolution was the guy who created the neo-cons?
[–]margotpenek 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Yeah, and he was Christian. Just, you know, fyi.
[–]NonstandardDeviation 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
It's funny how any knowledge like this passes through stages of disbelief and then acceptance. The saying is that scientific knowledge passes through three stages,
It is completely impossible, don't waste my time. (Ridicule)
It is possible, but not worth doing. (Violent opposition)
I said it was good idea all along. (Self-evident acceptance)
It may take a while, but hopefully evolution, climate change, homosexual acceptance, and many of today's 'radical' or 'progressive' or 'socialistic' ideas will one day join heliocentricity and the right to vote as ideas to which opposition will be met with a simple 'No, that's just wrong.' in the mode of Al Gore on climate change skeptics, comparing them to racists.
evolution, climate change, homosexual acceptance
This are "progressive" or "socialistic" ideas? lolwut?
I did put them in scare quotes. To us they're accepted as matter of course.
Did "progressives" and "socialists" make an exclusive claim to evolution, climate change, and homosexual acceptance? Otherwise, it seems a bit forward to try and classify them in that manner.
I said I didn't classify it that way. Some people do.
And my point would be they are wrong and I am shocked they actually believe that; well... no I am not.
[–]A2Aegis 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I don't see why religion and evolution can't go together.
[–]The_Law_of_Pizza 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
That depends entirely on how seriously you take your religion.
A wishy-washy, modern day liberal Christian can make it work fine by just ignoring and/or reinterpreting the Bible. However, if you actually take the Bible at its word, you can't have both.
[–]darthcorvus 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
They can, but it requires the level of cognitive dissonance possessed by minorities who donate to the KKK or strict vegans who only eat bacon at breakfast.
[–]jvslacker 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Be careful of who you put out as an example or frontman for evolution. Woodrow Wilson was a massive racist and openly supported the Ku Klux Klan. Just saying.
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