Perspective

TheDefinition · 1 year

For those who don't know about it - Holodomor

Kisiellll · 1 year

Being Polish, I feel people typically forget to note that nearly 2 million non-Jewish Poles were killed during the holocaust.

Paris_Syndrome · 1 year

It's worth noting that today is also the 6th month anniversary of the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, and that Japan can still use your aid: http://www.jrc.or.jp/eq-japan2011/index.html

Chancelloriate · 1 year

The significance of this event is not only due to the deaths of thousands of Americans, but also because there rarely is an attack on US soil. Americans aren't used to that kind of thing.

kitchen-faucet · 1 year

Halifax Explosion 2000 deaths.

shinerdawg · 1 year

Well from what I'm seeing on reddit today, if we memorialized every single one of those events, people would complain about having to feel sad all the time....

acousticpizzas · 1 year

The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.

Joseph Stalin.

Lodur · 1 year

And hey, there is still no mention of what Leopold did in the congo despite him killing more Africans than Jews in the Holocaust.

Seriously, do we just not give a fuck about perspective on how Africans and natives have been exterminated?

redfive5tandingby · 1 year

What about the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs???!?

mudkiporGTFO · 1 year

also 300,000 for Haiti earthquake

Rusty-Shackleford · 1 year

What's wrong with reddit lately? Why is every atrocity in the 20th century suddenly in a pissing contest?

UCANTIGNOREMYGIRTH · 1 year

What is this? A competition?

likeabott · 1 year

you are missing the red khmer and ho chi minh in your statistic, red khmer 1.4-2.2 million and ho chi minh estimated 40 million

meow_gusta · 1 year

It's not a contest.

NorthAve · 1 year

People tend to believe that Kurds are a fun loving people that are very peaceful. While that might be the case, they helped in the Armenian Genocide.

Itseffingcold · 1 year

right click on word > choose "Ignore" no more red squiggles.

ConsummateK · 1 year

"Jew deaths"

*Wince*

CoolUsernameMan · 1 year

Most people don't even realize how many civilians were killed by the Japanese occupying China in WWII, it's some where between 20 million and 25 million people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Casualties_assessment

goldenbunnies · 1 year

Pointing out that there were "worse" tragedies is really silly. Lets put it in a more personal perspective: Suppose person XXX kills one of your close friends.

This post is equivalent to someone telling you: "Person XXX only killed 1 person, but Ted Kaczynski killed 3 people and injured 23."

Obviously what Kaczynski did was horrible, but that doesn't in any way, shape, or form belittle the personal tragedy you experienced by your friend being murdered.

ThinkinFlicka · 1 year

One does not simply mention the tragedy of Holomodor

Purplejesus88 · 1 year

This is a retarded argument, no one has ever said 9/11 was the worst tragedy in history, but it did affect a lot of people in the US, even those who didn't lose anyone, so damn right there should be a memorial service . By your argument, we shouldn't bother remembering WWI because WWII killed more people.

Fuqwon · 1 year

Estimated ~1 million died in the Irish Famine. Just sayin'.

daman345 · 1 year

Well, most people missed the point. I can't see anyone who is saying that having some perspective means no one should care, just pointing out that the amount of attention 9/11 gets is disproportionate. How often do you hear about the boxing day tsumani that killed a quarter of a million people?

[deleted] · 1 year

I'm getting kind of sick of these posts. Perspective also has to include circumstance and motivation. Regardless of your feelings about 9/11, part of the reason it was so traumatizing for people of the United States is that it popped their safety bubble.

Look at that list. Are you going to go to a Japanese Earthquake survivor who lost their family, and tell them their remembrance of that family doesn't matter because more people died in the Rwandan Genocide? No, that's absurd. Those events aren't comparable -- one was a tragic failure of humanity, and another was a tragic natural disaster. They aslo happened to two very different cultures, who both may have reacted differently in an inverted scenario.

Stop being an ass. Get some perspective before you tell people to get perspective. There's nothing wrong with criticizing how some people are reacting to the anniversary, but please do so in a more intelligent and thought provoking manner.

Alreadyhaveone · 1 year

First of all, 9/11 happened all in one day. Also with the power of live broadcast. We all witnessed an attack on U.S. soil. Sure more people have died, but that doesn't mean this wasn't a huge tragedy! DAMNIT REDDIT!

JetMaduar · 1 year

Its a bit fucked up and sociopathic to try and rate the tragedy "level" of an event through the number of death don't you think? If we're going to do that then "only" 42 people died during Irene, maybe we should hold up on that that emergency money. Also classy to see you only counted less then half the people who died from the Holocaust. Guess there just wasn't enough to matter was there?

yourmydinner · 1 year

your missing this the ruler ship of Mao. While China's population almost doubled during the period of Mao's leadership(from around 550 to over 900 million), his rule from 1949 to 1976 is believed to have caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people. wiki

[deleted] · 1 year

is anyone elses OCD fuckin with them beacuse he didnt add Holdomor to the dictionary and theres this fucking red line under it?

pateyhfx · 1 year

1949-1976 - Mao caused the deaths of between 40-70 million people, largely due to famine.

Droogieman · 1 year

Just want to point out, it is not always about how many died, but the impact it has had.

HMSBeardedLesbian · 1 year

We get it. 9/11 isn't worth remembering. This is perhaps the 8th posting on Reddit that points this out.

JonSherwell · 1 year

This is a bit like Morrisey standing up in concert right after the Norway massacre and saying "Yeah that was bad, but worse things happen in McDonalds and Burger Kings every day!" A disaster is a disaster, and to assert that any statistic of lives lost matters over another is an awful thing to do, Families lost their loved ones on every single one of these days.

vddvdv · 1 year

Some of these figures are also HUGE underestimates.

Beep_im_a_jeep · 1 year

It's funny how most people don't know the events between 9/11 and the Holocaust in the Eastern Wold.

Araneidae · 1 year

Probably worth adding in Iraqi deaths due to U.S. invasion, though it's very hard to get good numbers.

booobp · 1 year

after seeing that list, Hitler seems overrated.

theciaskaelie · 1 year

Every time I hear some a-hole try to argue against government programs and our current administration I almost invariably hear "That's communist, how'd that work out for the Soviets?" Then I think of the OPs stat. If it weren't for Russia, WWII probably would have gone very differently. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that total higher than all U.S. casualties in everything ever? If it weren't for WWII, I wonder if Russia's communist experiment may have also gone quite differently.

mankvill · 1 year

Hurr durr, an attack that took place over the span of a few hours didn't have as many deaths as wars that lasted for years, silly fucking Americans hurf durf

you

2k1 · 1 year

such statistics are stupid. and to be even more stupid: whats with the indian genocide from 1500-1900 in south and northamerica?

BuhDerpDerp · 1 year

Europeans have killed a lot more innocent civilians than the US has, but no one mentions that.

allthoseships · 1 year

These are all people, with their very own stories, with talents and aspirations, probably friends and family who were deeply affected (if not killed also). If you're offended that this is being devalued as a comparison of numbers, then stop thinking of them as numbers.

This poster did not say we shouldn't be honoring the memories of the many, many people who died because of the events on 9/11 (and neither am I), but I think it implies the question: why are we not so sympathetic in remembrance of these other catastrophes? We're all human beings, even if we happen to have been born in different places.

Lampmonster1 · 1 year

Are they talking about a different bombing of Dresden than I'm thinking of? Because the estimates for Dresden go as high as 500k, not 25k. WTF is that about?

JeSuisTyler · 1 year

I'm sick of this death toll battle everyones having. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up. I know it happened a while ago and there have been other monumental attacks and tragedies that have resulted in more deaths, but really show some fucking respect.

[deleted] · 1 year

Yeah, you're right. This is something that should really be measured by quantity.

[deleted] · 1 year

but what about the clone wars?

marishtar · 1 year

For 'perspective,' I don't think we should count things that didn't happen in a single day.

liberated_text · 1 year

casualties  events
     1 836  hurricane katrina
     2 350  bombing of pearl harbor
     3 000  9/11 deaths
     8 000  srebrenica massacre
    20 000  2011 tohoku earthquake deaths
    24 000  war in afghanistan civilian deaths
    25 000  bombing of dresden
    33 000  2007 suicides in japan
    35 000  2007 suicides in US
    41 000  2007 traffic related deaths in US
    50 000  typical number of workers at WTC
    70 000  bombing of nagasaki
   100 000  bombing of tokyo
   107 000  iraq body count, civilian deaths
   150 000  bombing of hiroshima
   188 000  battle of okinawa
   200 000  nanking massacre
   230 000  2004 indian ocean earthquake deaths
   315 000  war in darfur
   750 000  2011 somalia famine (projected)
   800 000  rwandan genocide
 1 250 000  armenian genocide
 2 200 000  north korean famine
 3 400 000  soviet POW deaths in nazi camps
 5 000 000  holodomor
 6 000 000  holocaust jew deaths
26 500 000  soviet WWII deaths

HomeHeatingTips · 1 year

9/11 is significant for reasons other than just death count

canonman · 1 year

Why do I feel like you're missing the point?

mansel · 1 year

all the numbers added together up to the bottom one are 6mil away from the soviet WWII loss.....6mil, why does that sound so familiar all the sudden *looks up 1 on the list 0_0

dongimin2 · 1 year

I like how North Korean famines, a semi-man made genocide (nobody didn't directly kill people), fits between war crimes.

SWEET JESUS

ThomasMakapi · 1 year

So... since they could've killed a lot more people by crashing the planes later that day, does that mean that Al Quaida didn't want to actually kill people, but mostly to send a message ? We always imagine them as ruthless killers, but killing was definetly not their goal. I guess our reaction to 9/11 is what made their attack a sucess...

ballsd33p · 1 year

The Russians win again!

flip_flap · 1 year

What perspective? Are we supposed to feel that it's not important just because you can find times in history where more people have died? 3000 people were still murdered on 9 11. There's no need for a competition for how many died and there's no need to trivialise it.

And btw not only jews were killed by the nazis.

winterorange · 1 year

I'm still too bummed about the Japanese tsunami victims to think much about 9/11 anymore.

joosh1125 · 1 year

Unfortunately, according to my Grandfather who lived during the Cultural Revolution, Chairman Mao killed a lot more people lol.

filmeister · 1 year

Just because there were less deaths in 9/11 than other tragedies it doesn't mean that it didn't happen or it's insignificant.

mrjimspeaks · 1 year

Why no WWI casualties included?

aceryz · 1 year

Some people get offended by posting this or other comparisons now, when the 9/11 is being talked about once again. It saddens me that they seem to expect an attack on their right to grieve and mourn the dead, and so perceive it as such. But the point is, I believe, that the focus of public debate and action taken should be on some other, recent things.

Which is the scariest on the list? The projected death toll of famine in Somalia. Why? Because after all the other disasters, either natural or caused by murderous people, we don't seem to understand the gravity of a situation that might have been avoided.

We all remember about the terrorist attacks ten years ago. I for one can tell that it was a tragedy that shouldn't be forgotten, but should the grief blind us so that we can't see the matters at hand? The media coverage leaves almost no place for tragedies that happen now, while so many people indulge in mourning that won't change anything. Let's show that we remember the victims of all these tragedies by preventing other such terrible losses of human lives, not by erecting more and more monuments that will sooner or later perish. Let these tragic incidents be something that we can learn from, not something that usurps our attention and empathy.

ruffimonster · 1 year

< Middle Passage

ifuonlyknew · 1 year

Perspective post complaining about 9/11 getting attention?

OP has a first world problem. Poor guy!

murph1331 · 1 year

So just because there have been more causilties in other events means that the WTC attack wasn't a big deal

[deleted] · 1 year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

Should be on the list

souv · 1 year

I'm embarrassed that before reading this list, i'd never even heard a whisper about Holodomor.

therealslimshaddy · 1 year

{citations needed}

Mugros · 1 year

Only about 20M Soviet Deaths in WW2. You are way over even the highest estimate of 23M.

jubalm · 1 year

There is a very large difference between being killed by a terrorist while doing your civilian job than dying in a war.

Khaemwaset · 1 year

Gee, I guess that means 9/11 wasn't bad.

Florius · 1 year

Every one death is important; that said, 9/11 is the only time USA got stang in thier own land by foreigners, that's why its world news.One can dish out alot of pain, but it realy hurts when I gets back to you.

h4m177 · 1 year

~1,000,000 Irish Famine. AND the reason is of a controversial nature to some..

Judgemuscles · 1 year

Don't forget the avian flu of 1918-1919 which killed about 40 million people

markth_wi · 1 year

Some numbers appear off / stuff missing

Cambodian Killing Fields is missing : 1.9 million
Belgian / Congolese purge - 8 million (conservatively)
China
- Great Leap - 15-20 million (conservatively)
- Cultural Revolution - 10-12 million (conservatively)
For WW2, perhaps it's best to be distinct
- camps, from fascism : 12 million
- hostilites, blockade, epidemics, hunger: 14.5 million
- bombing: 1.5 million

fallingshoes · 1 year

If I were you I'd also make this a link post to a image file of text rather than a self post to text.

cymbal_king · 1 year

I find it interesting that neither of the congolese genocides are listed there. ~10 million deaths in the early 1900's and approaching 6 million deaths from 1996 to now.

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