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[–]mindaika 29 points30 points ago

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How can you be satisfied with that old 2010 RakeTM when there's a brand new 2011 RakeTM with new safety-panic-reducing features?

[–]ende76 3 points4 points ago

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You mean the iRake? I heard it completely reinvents leaf tending! It massages your palms, gives you a full manicure, and its one-piece body with shiny polish pleases your aesthetic senses perfectly. Be sure to master the iRake grip between index and ring finger, as that is clearly how it has always been intended to be held, or you might miss 4 out of 5 leaves when raking. Still looks shiny, though!

[–]imshaneh 1 point2 points ago

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Buy an iRake™ product!

[–]stahlgrau 26 points27 points ago

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I feel like that. I'm 42. Make more than I need. Have everything I want. I could make more money but I just don't care. It's not like another $100K is going to enable me to buy the Dallas Cowboys.

[–]thisfreakinguy 15 points16 points ago

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Goddamnit.. I keep seeing posts like this here and in r/personalfinance and it drives me crazy! (Not that you've done anything wrong, of course.)

Posts like, "I'm 20 years old and have $50,000 to invest, I have literally absolutely no need of this money so please, tell me what I should do with it!"

I'm so far in the opposite direction. Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life, right? What if what you love to do wouldn't pay for shit? I don't drive a nice car. I don't have nice things. I don't live in a nice house. I live in a neighborhood where there are nazis. Can you believe that? I actually see people with swastika tattoos ALL THE TIME where I live.

edit: I realized my comment went from not-that-relevant to just straight up bitching. Apologies.

[–]stahlgrau 2 points3 points ago

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I didn't gain traction until my mid 30's. Ups and downs and a stint of homelessness. I suppose as a result I can find happiness in the smallest of things. I live a modest life. Buy things used. Refurbish stuff. Play music. Walk my dog. Smoke weed. Garden.

I don't do what I love at all. But I like the people I work with. That makes all the difference. I get paid well and I have personal time for me. I can't complain.

Good luck. And persistence, my friend. Persistence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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move?

[–]thisfreakinguy 3 points4 points ago

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I'd love to. But the only other places I could afford are in shittier/more dangerous cities than where I'm currently at.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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are you Mad Max?

[–]LSJ 3 points4 points ago

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you could always send me an extra 100k :)

[–]stahlgrau 2 points3 points ago

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How big are your tits?

[–]AsianInvasion4 3 points4 points ago

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With 100k they could be WAY bigger.

[–]rmm45177 1 point2 points ago

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Do you have kids? You could spend the money on them!

[–]stahlgrau 9 points10 points ago

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Nope. I have a dog and a girlfriend.

[–]Facefuker 24 points25 points ago

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SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY BUILDING YOUR DOG A CASTLE!

[–]dutchguilder2 9 points10 points ago

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Nice try, stahlgrau's dog.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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the girlfriend will think of something

[–]stahlgrau 1 point2 points ago

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She's a sweet Latin MILF in her 30's. Not a gold digger by any means.

[–]bw1870 0 points1 point ago

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I'm in a similar situation. 40 yrs old, essentially have the things I need. I wouldn't mind another $10k per year for travel and to hit retirement earlier, but I don't have any big desire to get more stuff.

[–]danthemango 25 points26 points ago

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broken window will save us

[–]stemgang 14 points15 points ago

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Broken window fallacy of economic activity by Frederic Bastiat.

Makes for a poignant, biting story of misunderstanding. Worth reading.

[–]vintermann 1 point2 points ago

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Libertarians throw that phrase around a lot, but I don't think it means what they think it means.

A fiscal stimulus isn't supposed to increase society's net wealth directly, it's supposed to help employment and encourage spending. Even a libertarian has to admit, wasteful as it might be, a broken window fulfills those goals: The glazier gets a job to do, and the shopkeeper has to spend his savings to fix it.

Bastiat argues that the shopkeeper could have spent the money in some other way, thus providing the same benefit, but the problem is when people don't trust the economy, that's exactly what they don't do. They don't invest. They don't take risks. They put the money in the mattress instead. Individually, this is a rational decision, but collectively - in other words if everyone does it - it's disastrous. The glazier has to close shop, he starves, the window factory closes, and suddenly the shopkeeper's money in the mattress isn't enough to buy a window.

Of course, there are much better ways to stimulate the economy than breaking windows. Investing in infrastructure like schools and railroads is one way. But you don't even need to use government money directly: for instance environmental legislation that forces factory owners to buy new cleaning technology, has the same effect. Yes, it costs money, yes, it transfers wealth, but that's the point.

[–]stemgang 1 point2 points ago

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Forcing people to do things is immoral.

That's the whole point.

Are we free moral beings, or do we submit to the rulership and authority of others?

Just because it will produce economic activity to force people to spend money does not make it right, regardless of whether it is efficient or not.

People are not spending money because they don't trust the economy, sure. They are saving that money because they are desperately convinced that they will need it to survive the coming hard times. By forcing them to spend that money (by proxy, through taxation), you would deprive these people of the opportunity to make choices that they are convinced are necessary to their very survival.

That is an awful lot of responsibility that you would take upon yourself and upon government, and an awful lot of autonomy that you would deprive your fellow citizens of.

[–]kloxxi 1 point2 points ago

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Planned obsolescence will.

[–]I_FLIP_STUFF_OVER 0 points1 point ago

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(╯°□°)╯︵obuɐɯǝɥʇuɐp

[–]I_FLIP_STUFF_BACK 0 points1 point ago

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(╯°□°)╯︵danthemango

[–]lionelboydjohnson 0 points1 point ago

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And chaos is good sometimes according to crazy. Relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA

[–]tora22 89 points90 points ago

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It's true though.. our whole freaking economy and imagined "way of life" is based on compound growth. Too fucking bad we have hit the ceiling and no amount of "quantitative easing" is going to get the bullshit engine roaring again. In fact the last 25-30 years of growth has been fueled primarily by debt, not by our love affair with the gods of technology and innovation. See this chart.

401ks, HSAs, the government and Wall Street want nothing more than for you to have every penny in the stock market and every dollar of debt you can possibly sustain.

[–]rghd 4 points5 points ago

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That chart may have some important truth, but it is hilariously un-scientific. Wow.

[–]aumanchi 11 points12 points ago

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Just ignorance here, but what the HELL happened in 2009ish? Let's do that again.

[–]brbrbrad 20 points21 points ago

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That was the aftermath of the subprime mortgage crisis, collapse of Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers, etc. Banks tightened their lending standards (if they were lending at all), and so the only choice people had was to repay their debt rather than add to it. Additionally, even when credit was available people were scared about losing their jobs and so they stopped making purchases on credit.

Sometimes it takes a crisis to make people do the right thing. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they learned their lesson.

[–]slvrbullet87 4 points5 points ago

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Well the people who managed to get through without being seriously harmed now know they have stable well paying jobs and didn't make mistakes like overpaying for a development property. They are now more aware of the risks and will continue to make good decisions. Also remember that debt isn't always a bad thing, if you are stable then taking out a loan on house, the problem is dumb debt like thousands upon thousands of dollars of credit card debt.

[–]aumanchi 1 point2 points ago

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Ignorance here again.

Isn't the chart showing the national debt, instead of personal debt?

[–]CAredditBoss 0 points1 point ago

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Re: European debt crisis.

Sighs. When I saw this comic, I seriously went "shit, someone stole my idea." I have a number but it's not in equity.

[–]xudoxis 2 points3 points ago

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Markets overcorrected.

Before 2008 people thought everything was going great(turns out it wasn't) people got scared and fled to safe investments as investments that had previously been thought of as safe turned out to be worth much less than they had been assessed at.

As is common with mobs people reacted too violently to the sudden horrible news. When people started realizing that most investments were still pretty sound(the subprime mortgage crisis didn't really hurt companies like coca cola and google very much) the stock market rebounded back to where it should be(though it probably overshot the mark due to undue exuberance at things not being as bad as they thought).

[–]dutchguilder2 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Dangger 1 point2 points ago

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From what I understand, compound growth is not bound to debt. What happened 30 years ago is the paradox about profit increase and the need for higher demand. Instead of letting workers earn more so that they could buy the stuff that was being produced, they designed the system so that you could continue buying without cutting the producer's profit (which is what happens when you raise wages).

[–]tora22 1 point2 points ago

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It's not bound to debt if all growth comes from innovation or population growth but neither of those two are enough to satisfy desired growth in the range of 4-6%. Debt (specifically leverage) allows the economy to race along until the ugly truth about its foundation can no longer be hidden.

[–]GoldenFalcon 0 points1 point ago

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I am this person, the only people that make any money off me are people who resell things. I haven't bought anything brand new in years. This is, in my opinion, why capitalism isn't the best system. It's unsustainable.

[–]JakalDX 48 points49 points ago

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It makes me angry that I often hear part of our American "duty" is being consumers. Like someone who is content and isn't constantly buying disposable, overpriced crap isn't performing his civic duty.

[–]diogenesbarrel 2 points3 points ago

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You wrote all that using a rake?

That comic works just as well for a stone age man standing in front of his cave. Why would he need more?

[–]JakalDX 5 points6 points ago

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If he has food, and shelter, and all his needs are met, indeed, why would he need more? We often have a tendency to mix up our wants with our needs.

I'm not saying I'm not a consumer. But the idea that attempting to cut down the amount you purchase and not make frivolous purchases is a dereliction of duty of some sort is just feeding into a system that will inevitably cause us trouble. It's not a zero sum game.

[–]a_wild_zergling 6 points7 points ago

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I don't think it's a question of mixing up wants with needs, I think it's a problem of having a need that doesn't have a solution. Think back to Maslowe; once physical safety is guaranteed, what happens next?

I think almost everyone, even consumers, understands that they're uselessly consuming and that it's not sustainable and that they don't need what they're buying. But even if we somehow stopped the consumerism, stopped passively absorbing information and desires from mass media, stopped buying things we don't really even want, that would necessitate a ready alternative outlet for those kinds of desires and impulses. And that outlet doesn't yet exist en masse; you would need to create some sort of philosophy utopia for it to be possible, where people are able to quiet that raging brain that says "Give me more".

The major reasons for shopping sprees and "retail therapy" are psychological and emotional. If we stopped consumerism, we not only need a new economic system based on something other than growth, but an entirely new entertainment system, which is considerably more difficult, particularly in a non-religious world. I think Boredom is a more persistent and difficult problem than people believe, and has sculpted our society far more than any innate desire to simply consume. Modernizing the world has led to Boredom in unprecedented amounts; changing the economy away from consumerism could actually be dangerous.

We aren't psychologically prepared for a world where the television stops feeding us new things, the internet only connects to good, wholesome material , no new video games come out, etc. etc., because of the fundamental problem of human life: what can we possibly do all day with these oversized, ever-thirsty brains? Furthermore, as far as games and entertainment, who would be deciding what is a "need" and what is a "want"?

[–]epicwinguy101 16 points17 points ago

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Well, if people stopped buying, then people couldn't sell. If people can't sell, then nobody will produce. Then those of us whose jobs are in science and engineering are kinda boned.

[–]JakalDX 29 points30 points ago

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Tragic indeed, but maybe we wouldn't be filling giant landfills with trash, burning through our natural resources like there's no tomorrow, and not have to worry about the looming specter of the consequences.

[–]chris_ut 11 points12 points ago

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Indeed, we should go back to subsistence farming, what a wonderful idyllic world that was. Consumer whoring pays for R&D which gets you nice things like iPhones and the internet and air conditioning that you might miss.

[–]edubation 7 points8 points ago

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Indeed, we should go back to subsistence farming, what a wonderful idyllic world that was.

I feel like you've committed some sort of logical fallacy here.

and the internet

Wasn't that public funded?

[–]traplines 24 points25 points ago

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The logical fallacy is a false choice between being desperately poor or fat slobs watching reality TV. Fuck the idea that we'll starve if we don't stuff ourselves with Cheetos. Fuck the idea that we either have to be destitute or live in a world where we are inundated with the message that "you're not happy without the new product X".

I believe that we're capable of both happiness and genuine aspiration. We can live simply AND explore the galaxy. They're not mutually exclusive.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go wash my bong and get some hacky sack practice in before my "Physics for Poets" class.

[–]JakalDX 15 points16 points ago

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If we could really live in a world where we could survive simply within our means and not ravage everything around us, I'd gladly give up the amenities. We both know that's impossible in today's world. However, more rampant consumerism won't lead to anything but trouble. Do you really think the state of things is sustainable?

[–]chris_ut 12 points13 points ago

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I am generally optimistic about humanities ability to sustain itself.

[–]JakalDX 11 points12 points ago

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We're good at that. I'm more concerned about everything around us.

[–]Wifflepig 0 points1 point ago*

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Shouldn't that really read, "the greatest threat to corporations?"

What's the end-result with non-stop consuming and expontential reproduction? It doesn't look like it ends well for anyone.

Where things get out of whack is businesses who invent crap we don't need (ShamWow is a good example), and spend big money trying to shove it down our throats. Or Monster Cable and their insanely inflated prices. We end up with a system that has too much gluttony for money, without actually investing serious value into the merchandise. "Make it cheap, sell it high." is the goal, and the victim in the whole mess is only the actual consumer.

Then the corporations cry foul when the victim has been milked dry or stands still and decides, "fuck it, I don't need your shit, I'm happy".

I don't need ACME Co. to tell me when I'm content, happy, or NEEDing something. I'll buy when I want or need, not when George CEO begs me to, because he is risking the payment on his personal jet because us consumers haven't thrown ALL of our money at him, like he was expecting.

[–]slimbruddah 1 point2 points ago

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Our system is flawed. And our system will fail. Then will come propasitions for a new system.

The day this system is presented to the People of the World, is the day the People of the World have to start being very cautious.

For the current track record of those who have had the most influence on our society, reeks of egotistical greed and control.

Be weary, be selfless, be calm, and seek.

[–]SomeBug 2 points3 points ago

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My fear is that technology will give people new tools to keep ahead of the people. False flags, crisis, etc aimed to herd the people to some end.

I think the next big move is going to be food supply control via GMO. Noting that article the other day about the virus that wiped out the old bananas now rearing it's head to affect modern bananas and the large companies not seeming too concerned. Also noting that they believe genetic modification to be the eventual solution...

I think this is all testing ground for the future of warfare and control. Control the food. Wipe out food supplies using viruses, then have patented GMO versions to survive. Those that hold the control (see USA/Monsanto) basically hold all of the chips.

it's tinfoil hat material, but over the span of time it's plausible. Also note that there was mention years ago that when Monsanto n Co met years ago, they essentially decided on whatever endgame they would like to see and now are working backwards to get there.

[–]AssMassacre 0 points1 point ago

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you know, engineers dont need to exist only for the purpose of creating more things for people to buy. Why not just focus on sustainable living and or envolving in general

[–]epicwinguy101 1 point2 points ago

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Well, engineers do those things. But that only works for creating new things. If nobody wants new things, nobody will pay for or support engineers in any way. Someone somewhere has to compensate engineers.

[–]somnolent49 1 point2 points ago

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Where do you hear that? I haven't once had someone tell me it's my duty to buy things. I've heard people talk about how consumption fuels the economy, and that you want to have total debt over time average out to roughly 3% above gdp to fuel growth, but I've never heard somebody say it's a matter of civic duty to buy things.

What's more, the notion that people need to be told it's their civic duty to consume or they will stop buying things is laughably stupid. People like buying things, having things is awesome. We tell people that voting is a civic duty, and look at how few people actually do.

[–]lionelboydjohnson 0 points1 point ago

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Welcome to the machine my son.

pink floyd.

[–]rottenborough 0 points1 point ago

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It is our duty to be consumers because we can't avoid being consumer.footnote

It is more importantly our duty to be responsible consumers.

The problem is that we don't realize the role of consumers in a society that is functions properly for all. It helps for the more intelligent among us to remember that we vote with our money. Hopefully that will offset the impact of Jersey Shore aspirants and The Apprentice aspirants, and steer our economy to a healthier direction.

footnote: At least not without rejecting the modern way of life as a whole, which I doubt you could get the majority of the population to do.

[–]SirRonaldofBurgundy 7 points8 points ago

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Actually, Jared Diamond, best known as the author of Guns, Germs, and Steel, has postulated that agriculture itself may have been humanity's greatest mistake.

[–]RandyMFromSP 2 points3 points ago

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Can it really be considered a mistake though if it's inevitable?

[–]SomeBug 1 point2 points ago

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Ishmael as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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It is too bad there were no citations or a bibliography for that essay. Spelling mistakes are not very comforting either.

[–]t0mbstone 229 points230 points ago

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And that is exactly why marijuana is illegal in the U.S.

[–]Hack0201 172 points173 points ago

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fast food sales would go through the roof, taco bell would become its own country.

[–]tschutti 154 points155 points ago

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After the franchise wars, all resturants are Taco Bell.

[–]mmmmmkay 6 points7 points ago

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I don't know. Have you heard of Cookout? Their meals come with two sides and these sides, among the usual choices, also include quesadillas, chicken wraps, chicken nuggets, and corndogs. Also, they have cheerwine.

CHEERWINE!

[–]xelfer 11 points12 points ago

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[–]RelevantSomething 14 points15 points ago

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[–]dmack96 2 points3 points ago

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god damn that man can act

[–]LP99 8 points9 points ago

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Anytime I see a Demolition Man reference on reddit, I gain a small slice of hope for mankind.

[–]hotpixel 1 point2 points ago

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That's when I started to wonder if Demolition Man really was a dystopia.

[–]Hack0201 1 point2 points ago

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ah yes the great battle when the armies of Taco Bell and McDonnalds squared off in Boulder, Colorado. We lost a lot of good men that day...

[–]16807 0 points1 point ago

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They would have broken up the monopoly, but that would just create a dozen baby taco bells.

[–]laboye 0 points1 point ago

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What? Didn't they merge with AOL, Time Warner & the U.S. Government?

[–]MegaToiletv2 0 points1 point ago

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Honestly, I would be ok with that.

[–]xiphia 0 points1 point ago

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This is creepy, I watched Demolition Man and Robocob recently for the first time in 10+ years and suddenly there's references everywhere. Perhaps they were there before and I just didn't remember them...

[–]dhaft88 1 point2 points ago

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:{D

[–]relatedcomment 20 points21 points ago

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If something has been banned for only a short period of time, then the ban is seen as unstable. If something has been banned for a long time, however, then the ban--no matter how ill-conceived it might be--tends to go unenforced long before it is actually taken off the books.

Take the ban on sodomy, for example. It hasn't really been enforced in any serious way since the 18th century, but most states technically banned same-sex sexual intercourse until the Supreme Court ruled such bans unconstitutional in Lawrence v. Texas (2003).

People tend to be comfortable with the status quo--and the status quo, for nearly a century, has been a literal or de facto federal ban on marijuana.

[–]xudoxis 8 points9 points ago

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I think the word you're looking for is de jure ban on mary jane.

While the ban is on the lawbooks, it is hardly ever enforced(compare the number of people smoking pot to the number of people in jail for pot and you'll find that most pot smokers are not/have never been in jail(or even ever faced much more than minor harassment by the police).

So while the law says you go to jail for having pot, the fact of the matter is that most people who smoke pot do not go to jail.

[–]ChaosMotor 12 points13 points ago

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So while the law says you go to jail for having pot, the fact of the matter is that most people who smoke pot do not go to jail.

Like the last three Presidents, despite presiding over nearly a million arrests a year for exactly what they, themselves, have done.

[–]CheeeeEEEEse 7 points8 points ago

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Nah. There is entirely too much money involved with keeling it illegal. Pharma, defense companies selling to police forces, prisons, legal fees, lost tax revenue. These are all new factors too. William Randolph Hearst printed all kinds of tabloid journalism, that Reddit decries vehemently today mind you, but due to his investments in running his huge newspaper business he could afford to slander a better fiber, hemp.

There are multitudes of other reasons including racism and segregation that also went into our early drug laws. It's a fun topic.

[–]edubation 4 points5 points ago

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Sorry, but I'm missing the connection.

Marijuana = end of materialism?

[–]afschuld 10 points11 points ago

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My stoned friends buy all sorts of stupid shit, I really dont see how this works.

[–]tonypotenza -1 points0 points ago

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yes sir, if i could smoke weed all day and grow delicious fruits and vegetables and exchange them for other goods my fellow smokers would do, maybe wood work for furniture, etc, and thats even scarier for USA because when you dont even need money....

[–]slvrbullet87 2 points3 points ago

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Not a worry at all, people have been trying to go back to communal living forever, beyond the Amish not many have succeeded. It sounds like a great idea but doesn't out because people used to modern conveniences end up shocked by how much work it takes to live the life style.

[–]CC440 6 points7 points ago

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The Amish even rely on the outside world to sustain their economy.

[–]fallenbutcangetup 17 points18 points ago

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I'm sorry to inform you that you need a heart transplant. That's gonna cost you at least a few green peppers and that home made chair

[–]test_tickles 4 points5 points ago

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I'm sorry to inform you that you have a healthy heart. Your stress free life and the good food you eat will assure you need me less and you will live long. (fixed it)

[–]Robbuffet 5 points6 points ago

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Yes, because there was never ANY disease or sickness back in the day. Everyone lived to be 100. Modern medicine is what's killing everyone nowadays

[–]Nodonn226 2 points3 points ago

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Cancer sure doesn't strike people who smoke all day. Nope... sure doesn't.

[–]rayne117 3 points4 points ago

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Link me to one story of someone dying directly from marijuana caused by cancer.

[–]DiversityOfThoughts 4 points5 points ago

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It appears that THC itself isn't mutagenic or carcinogenic, however, it has been shown that cannabis smoke is, in vitro. Here is also a link to a Cancer Research UK page on the topic.

So smoking joints every day is very likely to not be good for you, in terms of carcinogenicity, however the active compound THC itself isn't actively mutagenic, so other methods of getting high might be more advisable.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Answer: Vaporizer/Volcano

[–]ableman 2 points3 points ago

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... Double ... Triple ... First of all, that's not how cancer works. Second of all, that's not how facts work.

[–]rayne117 1 point2 points ago

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Thinks for the link.

[–]Nodonn226 0 points1 point ago

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It's been hard for researchers to do a controlled long term study on large groups of people due to the illegalities of marijuana within the U.S.

However, when you SMOKE (not eat or use a vaporizer) weed, it is still putting foreign substances including carcinogens into your lungs. I feel like stoners are in denial about this. But then, they are blind to anything that isn't OMG MORE WEED FOR ME!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Shit happens, your heart is still fucked, now fork over the pork. (Assuming the vast majority of people are pig farmers.)

[–]I_CATS 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. It is their escape plan. The moment people stop consuming, Philip Morris and BAT are given the right to mass-produce marijuana. And then consumption starts again.

[–]DJBJ 0 points1 point ago

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You realize in countries where it is legal, they have lower usage rates (look up Portugal/Netherlands where its still semi-legal) and I am sure people still buy things there. Also no one's forcing you to buy stuff when your not stoned. Also, if weed was legal wouldn't you have to buy it and keep buying it to get the chronic effect of not caring? That seems counter productive to the point of the comic.

[–]Pete_Venkman 5 points6 points ago

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We'll see him when his rake wears out.

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[–]meefozio 1 point2 points ago

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Glad someone gets it.

[–]douchebag_investor 0 points1 point ago

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If not spending helps the economy, they why don't we just fire all of our workers, close all of our businesses, and send everybody home in order to improve the economy?

[–]RahsAlGhul 12 points13 points ago

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That guy must post here:

r/BuyItForLife

[–]Ovuus 17 points18 points ago

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In my 26 years on this planet, the only things I have bought which I would say might last me for the rest of my life are my master's degree and my guitar... of course, the guitar was $50,000 cheaper.

Fuck... and just thought of this - I got my degree in June, and I am still unemployed... My guitar has generated more revenue to date than the degree.

[–]Reanimator 7 points8 points ago

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June is all? Good luck with that (Dec. 2009 grad speaking).

[–]Ovuus 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah... I needed a career change so I went back. On the plus side, I might have an interview coming up soon. Thanks for the luck, I will surely need it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You have been a graduate for a few months? Don't worry about it, if your degree is in a science, you should have no problem finding a decent enough paying job, with perks and benefits. You have absolutely nothing to worry about.

[–]Rusty-Shackleford 11 points12 points ago

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Correction: Greatest threat to capitalism. Western culture would still thrive, but the issue is living off the land would cause serious economic slowdowns. People would be able to get by, but fun luxuries that require lots of industrialization (like TV and computers and cell phones) would be very hard to come by. That is, unless cottage industries can build computers and cellphones for the rest of us.

[–]for_the_record 8 points9 points ago

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Living off the land takes a lot of labor unless you have diverse specialists who can design, build factories and produce tractors to live off the land with (among many other various things that make life better/easier). Although I agree with the implied concept of more rational spending habits (personal, government) this misguided statement is misguided.

[–]Rusty-Shackleford 8 points9 points ago

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From what I've learned in my Anthro class regarding human ecology, living off the land can take far less labor than 40 hours per week. Hunter gatherers/foragers and gardeners that live in a neolithic status generally work 10-25 hours a week on average. They could lead healthy, fulfilling lifestyles, but sustainably low populations combined with a lack of adaptability to bigger imperial civilizations means they don't win out very often.

I believe large civilizations grow and intensify not as a means of survival, but a means by which culture A competes against Culture B. If there's two things an industrialized civilization can do, it's ride out huge catastrophic events like plagues, and wage big wars.

But, in many ways you're right. There are basic things that have made human lives healthier and higher quality (education, and modern medicine), that involve specialization and large scale human collaboration.

If some people specialize to produce certain tangible/intangible products such as churches, universities, and hospitals, it will be at the expense of less fortunate, less skilled laborers.

But, at the same time, it is possible for the average person to increase their pastoral/agrarian outputs to decrease their dependence on others. It's all about give and take.

For example: you're in a recession- you can grow your own food if you have a backyard, but you've got taxes and loans to pay off for your property. Now you're going to have to make actual money to get by. Banks and Governments make and grow economies- they pretty much make people circulate money.

Or you could work more and be less self sustaining. You make more money, but you spend more money at the same time.

[–]BigSlowTarget 1 point2 points ago

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If you are young and healthy it's easy to ignore how hard hoeing all that land is going to be when you're sick and 50.

[–]magnasombrero 1 point2 points ago

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I think something like an iPad and ad-hoc wifi networks would render all modern computers & internet useless.

iPads are complicated as hell to build but if we could just manage to do that, we don't need anything else.

[–]AbsurdHero 1 point2 points ago

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could you use the word tablet? you just sound stupid saying ipad like its a genre.

[–]ClampingNomads 0 points1 point ago

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Hippy living in a cottage & growing (quite a lot of) his own food here: I fear you are absolutely right. Not only did I not grow this computer, but most modern medical science - which I intend to use as I get older - is beyond me.

Of course, this doesn't mean that the benefits of mass-market capitalism can't be refined and improved, and I still think there are many benefits to "partial peasantry", both to those of us who do it and society at large.

[–]honestcorey 3 points4 points ago

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Does anyone know where the most content people live?

[–]dren-dk 4 points5 points ago

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By some accounts, in the same country that comic is from; Denmark.

[–]imshaneh 1 point2 points ago

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But if everyone stopped consuming like the comic suggests, there would be nothing for any government to tax.

Denmark once had (has?) the highest marginal tax rate in the world. It uses it to pay for things like free education. That makes people there happy.

If the government there had no money, they wouldn't have a happiness advantage!

[–]Dont_Copy_Comics 101 points102 points ago

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Don't copy comics to imgur. Link to the website instead. You're stealing ad revenue from the artist.

[–]honestcorey 35 points36 points ago

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I guess this is the original artist's website: http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/

[–]JayDuck 27 points28 points ago

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[–]nedniederlaender[S] 12 points13 points ago

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Good call. I actually didn't know it was available in English so I did the translation myself. (I also inserted the website URL in the corner to credit the source.)

[–]soulbeatrunna 7 points8 points ago

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Not stealing ad revenue, just preventing it, right?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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stealing

You don't know what that word means.

[–]dontraisemebro 8 points9 points ago

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how ironic

[–]mrfairrunheight 53 points54 points ago

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Because redditors totally never use adblock.

[–]Rudeface 24 points25 points ago

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I don't, and as an artist myself it infuriates me that imgur is preferred over giving proper attention to the artist who generated an LOL for you, for free.

[–]21echoes 1 point2 points ago

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not all of them do. linking to the site == some ad views. not linking to the site == no ad views.

[–]duckinferno 2 points3 points ago

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Because people who use adblock do so because they're constantly clicking on ads.

[–]bubble_bobble 4 points5 points ago

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You seem to not have understood the comic.

[–]arbores 15 points16 points ago

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But when you pirate games the developer isn't losing any money, amirite?

[–]kakurz2 2 points3 points ago

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"The greatest threat to a developing world"... FTFY

[–]LasciviousSycophant 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly. If Americans quit buying shit, a lot fewer dollars flow to China and its factories.

[–]petedacook 2 points3 points ago

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The Amish! I knew I couldn't trust those fuckers!

[–]KamiCrit 1 point2 points ago

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Sure could go for a John Deere right about now...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I thought religion was the greatest threat.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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That house and land ... he is already mortgaged for life.

[–]DJBJ 1 point2 points ago

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You know no one's forcing you guys to buy shit. The hypocrisy of reddit here is delicious. This comic being upvoted, but then reddit elsewhere redditors brag about the new 500 dollar video card they just bought so they can run the new Battlefield.

[–]cubertcanman 8 points9 points ago

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No, the real threat to Western civilization is the exact opposite... He is never satisfied with his life than buys tens or hundreds of thousands dollars worth of shit on some line of credit which he'll never be able to pay off. That is the real threat to Western civilization, and we've already seen it take its toll.

[–]slimbruddah 4 points5 points ago

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And then there's Oil. And then there's nukes. And then there's Politicians. And then there's Corporations. And then there's Monsanto. And then there's your TV. And then there's guns. And then there's violence. And then there's fear.

If you are observant, you will realize we are completely surrounded by bullshit. This bullshit is bred using fear. It is in every aspect, in every city, in the very threads of our Capitalistic system.

It is everywhere.

If you have the ability to be observant and open minded, you will notice that these surroundings have slithered their way into your flesh.

This can be seen by observing your own actions and mindset in every present moment.

Fully self aware 100% of the time, is how you incline your mind, take a step back there's something you'll find...

[–]magnasombrero 1 point2 points ago

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So live like the guy in the image. If you create your self-sustainable "island" home, you won't be part of the game. You'll be free of those things you mentioned.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Thought experiment: the guy in the farm next to him decides he wants his farm to be a little bigger because greed is part of the human condition. Aaannd go!

[–]cubertcanman 5 points6 points ago

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Well expansion (what you call human greed) is a crucial instinct of any form of life, not just humans. We just have the technology to do it a "damaging" amount.

[–]reallyracistguy 4 points5 points ago

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the correct answer is minorities

not hard working white folk

[–]HyperionRevived 1 point2 points ago

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hahhahaha........... gtfo.

[–]khanfusion 1 point2 points ago

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Farmville?

[–]Tenshik 1 point2 points ago

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WHAT ABOUT THE IPHONE 5 GUYS! It has some arbitrary feature my iphone 4 DOESN'T!

[–]C8H10N4O2Rush 1 point2 points ago

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planned obsolescence

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I don't understand why this kind of naivete persists. You simply cannot exist without buying things. There is no fear of this, nor has there ever been. The farmer in question will find that he needs new nails, new livestock, new seeds, new equipment, new luxuries, new toys for the kids, new this, and new that.

There has never been a moment in the history of man kind where achieving nirvana has been a realistic possibility.

What we don't need is excess. And that is very, very different.

[–]UNBR34K4BL3 1 point2 points ago

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35 ' If one of your brethren becomes poor, and falls into poverty among you, then you shall help him, like a stranger or a sojourner, that he may live with you.

36 'Take no usury or interest from him; but fear your God, that your brother may live with you.

37 'You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit.

(Leviticus 25:35-37)

[–]Team_Braniel 2 points3 points ago

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Not sure why this is getting downvoted.

I think the art of being contempt is lost on most Americans.

[–]Mjilaeck 19 points20 points ago

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Contempt? You mean content?

[–]Team_Braniel 25 points26 points ago

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Clearly you are not allowing yourself to be satisfied with the comment I have provided.

[–]ENKC 13 points14 points ago

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Reddit needs more original contempt.

[–]guilmo 5 points6 points ago

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Have you been to r/atheism and r/politics? I think we have plenty! Although I guess you could argue it's not original...

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[–]dadirtysanchez 5 points6 points ago

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even condoms?

[–]EvilTribble 8 points9 points ago

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Ladys won't touch him, he won't spend a dime on them!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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All the used condoms you could ever need!

[–]femaiden 1 point2 points ago

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Farmers buy shit all the time... Feed is expensive these days.

[–]Avien 0 points1 point ago

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Funny how credit card debt may provide you with an alibi if you're accused of a crime you did not commit.

If you only pay cash though you risk being convicted upon circumstantial evidence.

"Hey you aren't in debt? That's not normal; burn in hell criminal!"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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You can use a credit card without being in debt.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Not technically, unless it's a prepaid. You can't "overpay" your CC balance. The fuckers don't apply a positive balance to new charges. I never pay a dime in interest because I always pay my card off at the end of the month, but technically I'm in debt to them until that time.

[–]loercase 2 points3 points ago

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I have often paid the wrong amount and been given a "positive" balance on my credit card statement. Ironically, my amount owing is stated as a negative number.

[–]chonny 3 points4 points ago

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You can't "overpay" your CC balance.

Yeah you can. I'm with a credit union. Last month I "overpaid" and had positive $26 in my credit account. However, I couldn't do that with Chase or Amazon or Capital One (all since closed).

If I were you, I'd look into changing fuckers creditors.

[–]Ovuus 2 points3 points ago

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4 years ago, I had three credit cards, now I am down to one and I haven't used it since September '10... And every time I tell a friend that I am working towards never having a credit card again, they spend the next 30 minutes convincing me not to give it up.

[–]chris_ut 4 points5 points ago

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Credit cards come in handy.

[–]HollaSoupWoop 2 points3 points ago

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HEY. YOU. DIPSHIT. YES YOU.

LINK TO THE FUCKING WEB PAGE PAGE OF THE COMIC INSTEAD OF DOWNLOADING THE IMAGE AND UPLOADING IT TO IMGUR. YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think they're that worried

[–]Sarahmint 0 points1 point ago

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Have to buy food, taxes, medical expenses, gas, pets, gifts for special events, school for children, etc.

[–]ctwest 0 points1 point ago

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Wheres the huge boom in products that will make this a reality?

[–]inyouraeroplane 0 points1 point ago

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Even farmers in feudalism traded. Buying things is part of life.

[–]lance_klusener 0 points1 point ago

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that is me.

[–]Thorkon 0 points1 point ago

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I was sure this was gonna be about weeaboos

[–]nrokchi 0 points1 point ago

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Lots of people do that. Until shitty manufactured stuff breaks.

[–]BLVD 0 points1 point ago

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This would destroy China. We should start tomorrow.

[–]omplatt 0 points1 point ago

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i wanna be that guy sigh

[–]edubation 0 points1 point ago

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What if we buy some things, but not too much things.

[–]Crankypanty 0 points1 point ago

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When computer games get so good that even non-gamers would rather plug in and be the hero/heroine than get up and go to work......THAT'S when the whole economy will come tumbling down. I can't wait!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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i mean, if your down for a self sustained aggrerian life without modern medicine, clothing, or anything really, go fer it

[–]rockum 0 points1 point ago

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There ought to be a registry for people like this so that their neighbors and friends can help them buy crap they don't need.

[–]GlennBecksChalkboard 0 points1 point ago

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Buy some massproduced goods already!

[–]FireEyedBoy87 0 points1 point ago

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I bet he still goes to Home Depot.

[–]macros-the-black 0 points1 point ago

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There is a terrifying truth in this comic. Thanks

[–]roflcoptor69 0 points1 point ago

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Obviously he is getting a blowjob from a man in the crops.

[–]dirk_b 0 points1 point ago

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So, let it die then! If that is what it takes to bring down a civilization that is killing the very planet it lives on, I'm in!

[–]cibok 0 points1 point ago

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The comic doesn't mention anything about jews, islam and the chinese. Therefore it's makes no sense.

[–]skatingmichael 0 points1 point ago

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a proud dane :)

[–]fiddle-dee-dee 0 points1 point ago

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ah, wulff is my favourite comic strip. every workday starts with one minute of wulffmorgenthaler.

[–]Volsunga 0 points1 point ago

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This isn't the threat. This is the after-effect of the greatest threat, stagnation. As technology keeps improving, anyone in a producer economy will need to upgrade and advance as well to maintain competitiveness in the market (which will be needed even if the goal is only self-sustenance). Not needing to buy anything ever is a sign that there hasn't been any improvement in technology for decades (although it would also require that all the technology he owns is advanced enough to be unbreakable).

[–]jams68 0 points1 point ago

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What about toilet paper?

[–]Zalexou 0 points1 point ago

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That's so true that's scary.

[–]YungLil 0 points1 point ago

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Directive 10-289

[–]calmblueocean 0 points1 point ago

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The greatest threat to all of civilization is unchecked capitalistic greed. After hundreds of years of trying, we just can't get this thing to work. It is broke, and nothing will fix it. Time to try something different.

[–]pov3 0 points1 point ago

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I used to have a long wish-list of crap I wanted. The longer I kept something on the wish-list the more I realized I didn't really need it. The stuff I needed I bought, the other stuff I took off the wish-list which is now more or less empty. This has always helped me weed out crap that I just "want" but is a waste and doesn't actually make me happy other than for the 3 seconds after I bought it.

[–]starrychloe 0 points1 point ago

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You don't know how right you are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw3RiMdS7sE

Battle for the California Desert: Why is the Government Driving Folks off Their Land? From: ReasonTV | Aug 23, 2011 | 119,201 views The Antelope Valley is a vast patch of desert on the outskirts of Los Angeles County, and a segment of the few rugged individualists who live out there increasingly are finding themselves the targets of armed raids from local code enforcement agents, who've assembled into task forces called Nuisance Abatement Teams (NATs).