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Christianity is a religion of peace. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 11 months ago by Tiger337
[–]systmofdwn109 46 points47 points48 points 11 months ago
Don't forget the part where they're not so peaceful towards gays
[–]MoroccoBotix 37 points38 points39 points 11 months ago
Or abortion clinics.
[–]CanadianAnonymous 43 points44 points45 points 11 months ago
Or anything they personally don't agree with.
[–]marswithrings -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 months ago
I personally don't agree with you, but I think you're an okay Canadian. Or at least, an eh Canadian.
[–]Tactless_Atheist 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago*
They're definitely the ones who think the wars are "crusades" and supported them.
[–]Biff_Bifferson 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
They're pretty peaceful towards gays - they just don't want them to be able to get married. There haven't been many scenarios of hillbillies gathering,
"In the name of the Almighty God and our Lord Jesus Christ we condemn thee to being drawn and quartered by our mighty metal steeds as it is the only way to save your soul."
Usually it's just a case of hating people for being different - and that's definitely not exclusively a religious phenomenon.
[–]themcp 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Having been gaybashed in Boston right in front of the steps to Symphony Hall, I'm not inclined to agree.
I would also like to point out that American christians are behind the present efforts to get homosexuality punished by death in Africa.
[–]Biff_Bifferson 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Can you give me some proof of that?
[–]themcp 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Google it. It's ridiculously easy to find. I'm on vacation and I haven't figured out how to cut and paste links on my phone.
I just did, and I found nothing, except a wikipedia note that said Uganda may have been inspired by American evangelicals. Couldn't find a single thing.
if you look in my politics bookmarks at delicious.com/themcp/politics you'll probably find something.
I'm not searching through hundreds of links to find proof to a claim that you've made. That's idiotic.
So, I was trying to be helpful because I am a nice guy and was trying to give you what information I could easily type in from my portable devices while on vacation, but now you're calling me a liar, because you're too fucking lazy to bother to look at a single page of hand-selected links in large type. But I'm home now, and can cut and paste on my desktop computer. Here was the 5th link on the page: http://gawker.com/5832740/how-michele-bachmann-is-tied-to-the-ugandan-movement-to-execute-gay-people
Of course, I shouldn't be surprised given that you couldn't be bothered to google for "uganda gay american" and find any of the links on the entire first page of results confirm what I had to say, in detail.
Next time, do your own homework.
[–]Biff_Bifferson -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
I did google exactly that - and found nothing.
because you're too fucking lazy to bother to look at a single page of hand-selected links in large type.
Actually, it was multiple pages - 300 links in total, you fucking idiot piece of shit. Apparently you're too retarded to check your OWN GOD DAMNED PAGE.
As for the link, that is interesting - although it's a somewhat tenuous link - that Michelle Bachmann employed someone who has been known to associate with Ssempa, at least it's something.
[–]escherichia 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Perhaps so in our modern, first-world societies. In other places, however ...
[–]Biff_Bifferson 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
Everything is more violent in the third world - not just religion.
[–]escherichia 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
That's my point. In the United States, it is hard for Fundamentalist Christians to pass violent laws against homosexuals—American society won't stand for it.
Christianity didn't grow into a religion of peace: They just outsourced the violence to nations that will still go along with it.
[–]Biff_Bifferson -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
That's not really accurate. American Christians moved on from their barbaric past, while third world religions still hang onto their literal interpretations of various religions due to a lack of education. They didn't "outsource the violence."
[–]escherichia 8 points9 points10 points 11 months ago
Except that American evangelists went over there to tell them about how evil gays are and how they must be stopped at all costs.
My only issue here is when you said this:
They're pretty peaceful towards gays - they just don't want them to be able to get married.
You're only looking at Western Christianity. There is still a lot of violence in Christianity aimed at gays.
[–]Biff_Bifferson -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 months ago
Which reputable evangelical organizations were doing missions in Uganda and telling the residents to murder homosexual, exactly?
Only "reputable" organizations count as Christianity? What do you consider reputable? I really don't know what to tell you: Christianity fuels anti-homosexual violence in many places, though not much in the United States. Your assertion that Christianity is peaceful toward gays is simply not true in many parts of the world, but you seem very ready to redefine "Christianity" as "organized, accepted, mainstream Christianity from the first world". If you're going to redefine it that way, then yes, it is reasonably peaceful. Be my guest.
but you seem very ready to redefine "Christianity" as "organized, accepted, mainstream Christianity from the first world"
Yeah, pretty much. Point taken, though. Homosexuality is pretty frowned upon throughout the entire third world though, if I have my facts right, and I don't think it's all religiously driven - or if it is, it's certainly not just Christianity. Most big religions have tenants against buttfucking.
[–]descartesb4thehorse 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
reputable evangelical organizations
Do such things exist?
Yes. Respectable? That's debatable.
[–]threejd 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
cuz blowing up abortion clinics isn't barbaric
From Wikipedia, since 1977 only 2 abortion clinics have ever been bombed in the United States. If you're going to tell me that's "mainstream Christianity" then you've got a lot of work ahead of you.
[–]Jepumy 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
When did anyone claim what you consider 'mainstream Christianity' is what people were talking about?
Christianity's bible tells them to kill homosexuals and do lots of other violent things. Christians have done this stuff. In the Western world this has become frowned upon for secular reasons.
Where these secular morals/laws aren't, they will still do it. And some will still do it even when there are morals/laws. But you seem to be wanting to just no true no true Scotsman them.
What do you expect? No reputable/etc. Western Christian group is going to because they would then cease to be what you consider reputable/etc.
[–]adderas 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
TIL Jesus is a secular reason.
[–]threejd 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
good thing I didn't say mainstream Christianity
[–]Pedroptz -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 months ago
You're confusing Christianity with the catholic church
[–]systmofdwn109 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
christians dont hate fudge packers?
[–]Pedroptz -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
r/atheism = big lol
[–]chka -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
Yes, because words can kill...
[–]prat187 12 points13 points14 points 11 months ago
Seen it few times before, end up laughing every time.
[–]Quothefool 27 points28 points29 points 11 months ago
On the bright side, you appear to be immortal.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 months ago
Fuck Christianity, I'm going to go worship Ashur!
[–]agentofdoom 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
My life for Aiur
[–]tazjin 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
My life for the Swarm
FTFY
[–]HiddenSage 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
For the Glory of the Dominion
[–]nucking 6 points7 points8 points 11 months ago
While I like the comic (and have seen it before), I really don't get why you didn't link to the site that actually published it.
[–]bio-logist -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
This has happened a few times. Those sites normally can't handle the reddit traffic, especially if it makes it to the front page. Then, no one can see it. OP should probably just credit them with it.
I don't really know a lot about this, but this was the main point of the explanation that someone else posted up a while ago to a similar question.
[–]nucking 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Well, good point, but I still don't get why no credit is given, there should at least be a link to the original article/comic.
[–]Zawmbie 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I would like the link, if only to see more comics!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
Why do Christians not follow their own religious doctrines? An honest answer would be spectacular.
[–]KnightThatSaysNi 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
"Because...Fuck practicing what you preach. That's why." -Most Christians
[–]mavriksfan11 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Because those doctrines contradict themselves.
[–]Magnora 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Because it's hard and most people didn't choose their religion, it was forced on them via upbringing and they feel the need to try to follow it to maintain social standing. So you get a lot of idiots focused on non-issues, then a few who actually give a shit and try to put the teachings in to practice.
[–]howdyshutup 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Christian here: was doing my daily lurking all over Reddit till this made me spew Mountain Dew all over my screen. Too funny.
Only point I would disagree with is that the "religion" of Christianity has calmed down. Yes, "most" of the Christian community are sane, rational peeps, but there are still a TON of irrational, venom-spitting mongrels like Bachman who feel threatened enough to get nasty.
Wait, this is on r/atheism? Doh!
[–]christmasbonus 11 points12 points13 points 11 months ago
You'e right there are still TONS of irrational people. Bachman is bad, but she doesn't hold a candle to what is being done in the name of Christianity in Africa as we speak.
[–]Zawmbie 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
tell me more about the Christians in Africa?
[–]a_raconteur 17 points18 points19 points 11 months ago
In summation: Christian missionaries go over to Africa, and begin converting native Africans to Christianity, some of whom become preachers themselves.
Many of them stir up the AIDS/condom rhetoric of the Catholic Church and other religious communities, and also they bring out their pet topic of homosexuality and its evils. That leads to things like this (A Ugandan preacher explains "homosexual practices"). And in turn, speeches like that led to calls in 2009 to pass a law authorizing the execution of gays, coincidentally following visits by anti-gay preachers. The bill, as you can see from the article, fortunately never passed. But note that they still want to imprison gays, and probably withdrew the death penalty because western nations claimed they would withdraw aid.
But if you think that's all... It's not even the tip of the iceberg:
Certain churches or townspeople accuse others, often kids, of being witches. Their families are extorted for money for exorcisms. These 'witches' are beaten and abused
Or they are burned. (I suggest you listen to Hemant, the video is NSFW and NSFL, and extremely upsetting).
And even those who condemn these witch burnings still insist witchcraft is real and distribute literature claiming that people's suffering comes from witchcraft.
[–]themcp 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
You understand that Bachmann has direct ties to those efforts to punish homosexuality with death in Africa, right? I'm posting from my tablet tonight or I'd find you a link... you can google it...
[–]a_raconteur 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
I've heard such things, but I'd love a link if you can find one later.
[–]spitz 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago*
They didn't become sane, rational peeps. It's just that specific irrational beliefs are less prominent and the popularity of using violence to defend the ones that remain has lessened.
*in the first world
[–]CurtisEFlush 4 points5 points6 points 11 months ago
Christian here:
Believes in fairy godfather in the sky
Yes, "most" of the Christian community are sane, rational peeps,
Defends rationality of peers
You cant explain that!
[–]howdyshutup -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
I'll kill you!
[–]CurtisEFlush 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
I'm sorry, did you have a better way to summarize your affliction?
[–]greenwizard -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
As if you know anything about sanity or rationalism.
[–]thrawnie 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Perfect!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Why is a dude getting prosecuted as a witch.
[–]OhTheTallOne 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Is this drawn by Martin Brown, the Horrible Histories dude?
[–]jimminybillybob123 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
There was the most biased person at my school who was against abortion. Arrogant bastards
[–]noizyMonkey 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
wait a minute i always thought labeling people and killing in the name of a greater being that doesn't exists is the right thing to do
[–]derpville 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Actually, no, Christians haven't calmed down (well, some have, but ditto for Muslims). Hitchens has given plenty of examples.
[–]ThePurpleHayes 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
This pretty much sums it up. Islam is the new Christianity!
[–]ScaredTheDickOffMe 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Jainism is a religion of peace!
but then...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Is it just me, or is this comic basically saying that Christianity is good now, but that Islam is going to be bad until it calms down? Is this really something that anyone should be saying?
[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Why not? It's pretty true in my opinion. In the third world countries where Islam dominates political life, ass-backwards "WE ARE PEACEFUL! AGREE OR WE'LL FUCK YOUR EYES WITH SWORDS!" types of things will always happen. But Islam is starting to become more of a factor in slightly more developed countries like India and Far East Asia. In these places, the crazy of the religion is superseded by rationality and fairness (usually). Eventually Islam will lose a grip in the middle east (youth revolts?) just as the church lost it's grip on Europe
It's amazing how many people don't see the obvious parallels in the two.
[–]colinsteadman 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
The author should check out what Christianity has wrought on Africans, things haven't changed for the better everywhere.
[–]TheGriesFire 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
buddhism?
The principles of socialism began with Jesus Christ, sure, the institutions that had the "knowledge" on it used it for their own objectives and manipulated millions, but Christianity in it's raw form is not bad or violent, it's as I said, based on social values, like solidarity.
[–]o0DrWurm0o -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
To be fair, denim shorts on men is pretty much a universal sin.
[–]DefaultGen -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
Oh no...
Buddhism is a religion of peace too!
[–]Enterres -2 points-1 points0 points 11 months ago
It's funny because it's from a white person's point of view and it's okay if HE is ignorant of Islam's 1000+ year old traditions with its billion believers. Or not.
[–]hebrewrew -25 points-24 points-23 points 11 months ago
Hmmm... While I don't deny that "Christians" have done terrible things, don't you think it a bit out of line with the true spirit of Christianity? Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers," and he stood against all forms of aggression against our enemies. However, Islam has been warlike from the start... beginning with the example of the founder himself. There is just no comparison.
[–]wilywampa 13 points14 points15 points 11 months ago
Let me tell you something. For hundreds and thousands of years, this kind of discussion would have been impossible to have, or Sam and I would have been having it at the risk of our lives. Religion now comes to us in this smiley-face ingratiating way, because it has had to give so much ground and because we know so much more. But you have no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side.
Whatever you believe is the "true spirit of Christianity" nowadays, those Christians who participated in the Inquisition or in witch burnings believed they were doing God's work.
[–]thatzombiepunk 10 points11 points12 points 11 months ago
Have you ever read the old Testament? It's strikingly similar to the more violent bits of the koran. Islam is a much younger religion than Christianity, so assuming both religions go through the same cycle Islam is right on track with being violent right now.
[–]emkajii 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:34
The biggest difference between the histories of Christianity and Islam is that Islam was born in an effective power vacuum, and Christianity was born under a powerful world-spanning empire. As such, early Christians had to put on show of playing nice with the authorities even as they nursed messianic hopes of the destruction of the Whore of Babylon, while early Muslims could concern themselves with uniting the fractured Arab lands. From the moment that Christianity took political control of Europe, and that Islam consolidated its control of the Middle East, their histories were quite similar.
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