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[–]Novemberali 88 points89 points ago

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"greatest form of cruelty and violation of justice" = "They told me I was stupid"

[–]mixmastermind 36 points37 points ago

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When you're infallible being told you're stupid is a pretty heavy insult.

[–]mike_sol 16 points17 points ago

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(nitpicky point here, sorry) - the Church only certifies the Pope as being 'infallible' when he is speaking Ex Cathedra, i.e. actually speaking for the entirety of the Church and not just as himself. It's not an often-used power.

[–]nermid 4 points5 points ago

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More nitpicky, but he's only infallible when he is preaching Ex Cathedra specifically on matters of faith and morals. If he weighs in on politics or cooking or something, he's still fallible.

Catholic traditions are a hobby of mine, like Star Trek lore or playing D&D.

[–]Aavagadrro 1 point2 points ago

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Fuck that, the asshat in the funny hat wearing a dress while denouncing gays is always fallible.

[–]nermid -1 points0 points ago

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And antimatter always explodes when it touches matter, whether it's touching coolant or not, but that doesn't stop Star Trek any more than it stops the Church.

[–]Aavagadrro 0 points1 point ago

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Well, that is because both are works of fiction.

[–]nermid 0 points1 point ago

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This was my point, sir.

[–]Aavagadrro 0 points1 point ago

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and we are in full agreement. Just pointing it out for any other readers who happen upon the conversation and are a bit confused. You know, the religious types who are threatening to kill us because we dont believe in their sky fairy.

[–]nermid 0 points1 point ago

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Good call.

[–]gnovos 8 points9 points ago

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Power of infallibility: ACTIVATE!

[–]mike_sol 8 points9 points ago

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By the power of ST.PETERSKULL!

[–]donjuantriumphs 1 point2 points ago

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Go go gadget GOD

[–]jt004c 3 points4 points ago

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Certified, is it?

What do they say about the times he speaks Ex Cathedra and then later reverses his prior Ex Cathedra?

That's right. It's an Ex Cathedra Mea Culpa Oopsis.

[–]mike_sol 2 points3 points ago

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More like "ex catheter" at that point.

[–]FilipinoSpartan 5 points6 points ago

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Well, new popes pretty much call the old ones stupid once they die.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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In many ways telling "you" your stupid is more horrible a crime then massacring a marketplace full of "other" people half the world away. If only from perspective.

[–]SandGator 30 points31 points ago

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Since becoming an atheist I haven't noticed any new magical powers that allow me to destroy the souls of the unwary. What gives?

[–]EdricStorm 18 points19 points ago

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You must consume the flesh of newborn babes on a regular basis. About once a week should do, then you'll get your evil, rational, science-backed powers!

[–]TheIcelander 7 points8 points ago

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I'm just wondering when my jackboots will be delivered. I need a new pair of shoes.

[–]meditonsin 3 points4 points ago

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Once a week? Are you crazy? I can't hold out that long without my baby bacon.

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[–]jt004c 0 points1 point ago

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This comment is likely to be under-appreciated/under-rated, but it's just brilliant.

[–]JohnnyMaudDibby 3 points4 points ago

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It doesn't kick in until you are a 5th level atheist.

[–]SandGator 2 points3 points ago

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Oh man, I'm one razed orphanage away from level 5!

[–]scragar 6 points7 points ago

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Don't forget to eat the kids, they're worth double xp if they're orphans.

[–]mike_sol 0 points1 point ago

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All you need to destroy their souls is to spend some time with them convincing them that souls don't exist.

[–]AustinTreeLover 0 points1 point ago

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Really? You must not be a real atheist.

[–]TFGeditor 0 points1 point ago

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You're not doing it right.

[–]JackIsColors 80 points81 points ago

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If someone offered to read Nietzsche and cuddle, I think I might just do it

[–]kungcheops 47 points48 points ago

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so... wanna come over to my place later?

[–]JackIsColors 25 points26 points ago

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;D

[–]khepra 5 points6 points ago

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Can I come too? I have some Russell if you want to get in your jammies and roll around.

[–]JackIsColors 5 points6 points ago

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only if you're making tea as well

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point ago

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I'm surprised no one has suggested making mattress/pillow forts. It will be like our own soft, cuddly Fortress of Solitude.

[–]conorreid 0 points1 point ago

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To watch cartoons and eat cereal?

[–]SHFT 6 points7 points ago

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SOO worth the repressed memories.

[–]clayton646 4 points5 points ago

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That is like a dream date for some of us.

[–]JackIsColors 4 points5 points ago

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Come on over [;

[–]mindbleach 12 points13 points ago

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/r/Atheism: soon to be reddit's first literal circlejerk.

[–]clayton646 3 points4 points ago

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I will be there in five!

[–]inferno719 0 points1 point ago

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Sans the creepy old guy anyway.

[–]ew73 2 points3 points ago

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"I've been gazing into this void for hours and all I can tell you is it smells a bit like poo."

[–]Yserbius[!] 48 points49 points ago

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I never realized before just how convenient the cross is for a knights headpiece.

[–]awesome-bunny 33 points34 points ago

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It's also very convenient for windows to shoot bows, crossbows and rifles out of, thee lord works in strangest wayiths.

[–]EncasedMeats 40 points41 points ago

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Not to mention holding a guy in place until he dies. Oh cross, what can't you do?

[–]mrpeabody208 54 points55 points ago

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Carry itself?

[–]EncasedMeats 29 points30 points ago

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Not with that attitude!

[–]mike_sol 3 points4 points ago

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Ahaha, that's why you have random fucks on the side of the road that'll exchange a few hours of cross-lugging pain for an eternity of fame in the Bible.

(Still gonna rot in the ground, but they're more immortal than you'll be.)

[–]MonkeysOnMyBottom 4 points5 points ago

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Well it can fly, you just have to shave down the arms into a lovely airfoil shape and add an engine. Or attach it to a demi-god I'm sure one could get it to fly.

[–]ReverseLabotomy 18 points19 points ago

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Just imagine doing that with the Star of David.

[–]mike_sol 8 points9 points ago

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oh no!!! killer attack dreidels

[–]ReverseLabotomy 8 points9 points ago

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Nevertheless, it can be done.

[–]mike_sol 5 points6 points ago

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jews, in space! defenders of the hebrew race!!!

[–]Clayburn 3 points4 points ago

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Codpiece.

[–]Evets616 21 points22 points ago

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Why is healthy Roger Ebert trying to molest a kid?

[–]onionhammer 15 points16 points ago

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Because he's an evil secular humanist atheist..

[–]mambypambyland 35 points36 points ago

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The thing about atheism cartoons is that I laugh and then I cry because the world actually does have theists like this.

[–]slipperyottter 5 points6 points ago

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As I was reading it, I couldn't help to feel saddened that theists would not see the sarcasm of any of the panels. However, they would be confused and insulted that the last panel exists, however true it is.

[–]kcrobinson 14 points15 points ago

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Original link from the artist's blog: http://mattbors.com/blog/2007/12/12/world-history/

[–]Peaches666 1 point2 points ago*

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Thanks for posting the link first. This cartoon wasn't really meant as an atheism wank. Matt is very subjective when considering his side of an argument a rarely strays from topical since last year.

Make sure to check out his cartoons and blog entries during his trip to Haiti.

He also met Martha Stewart while he was there. For reals.

[–]ItsTheMotion 13 points14 points ago

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Ooo, the 9/11 reference stings.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Because it doesn't attack christianity, but the islam? I agree with you.

[–]Iscin 21 points22 points ago

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"Praise Richard Dawkins!" made me laugh.

[–]7ate9 1 point2 points ago

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Dawkinsu Akbar!!!

[–]smek2 8 points9 points ago

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"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[–]Lazar_Taxon 45 points46 points ago*

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While I surely wouldn't say that atheism was the cause, tens of millions of people were murdered by officially atheist regimes in Stalinist Russia and Maoist China, and Darwinism was used as a justification for racist and imperialist policies during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. (At the same time, Lysenkoism shows that the totalitarian communists had very little respect for the scientific method.) My opinion is that humans will find any justification to act like dicks.

[–]ewokjedi 20 points21 points ago

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humans will find any justification...

Great point. Too often atheists get bogged down in this argument when it's really crappy territory for theists and atheists alike. I'm an atheist--but while I recognize subtle differences between how christianity inspired the crusades, the inquisition, and abortion center bombings; islam inspired 9/11, etc.; and an atheistic world view aided the genocidal efforts in Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, and the Khmer Rouge--I must also accept their similarities (even if not at face value).

For the theist, the best you can hope for is a draw, and I think if you're trying to argue for your religion but you cannot demonstrate a moral superiority with regard to mass killings you need to take a hard look at what you're defending.

For the atheist, you risk getting bogged down in a nuanced argument about whether atheism motivated mass murder or was simply coincident with the act(s). And you know how well nuance works with an obtuse interlocutor, right? Even worse, a theist you're arguing with is likely to the rejection of Stalin, Mao, etc.'s acts as related to their atheistic world views as evasive, dishonest, or willfully blind. They're going to feel like they've won even when they've lost.

I think if a theist brings up the argument about atheism being responsible for mass murders and other evil deeds, the best approach is to reject the argument flatly and insist they demonstrate a causal connection. Then, try to refocus the conversation on what is demonstrably true.

[–]reviling 3 points4 points ago

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Odd, how could no belief in god / supernatural be the cause for such things? They may have been atheists, but they justified it on matters not related to atheism.

[–]ewokjedi 4 points5 points ago

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Let me start by saying that I agree with your suggestion that their actions were not principally motivated by an atheistic worldview. I am personally quite sure that the motivation was a desire for power and control. In that context, it was necessary to marginalize or remove other sources of power and control--like the church. Likewise, we can demonstrate that a willingness to kill masses is not more prevalent in people or societies that are ostensibly atheistic.

Nonetheless, a theist is likely to approach the issue differently. He or she is going to be thinking that people don't kill because God said not to. From that perspective, they're going to make the logical leap to infer that it is the removal of a belief in god that made them OK with the killing. So, they're going to argue that atheism was necessary for them to do what they did--even though it is easily demonstrable that similar acts have been perpetrated by avowed theists (and sometimes not just using their faith as a lubrication but as the prime motivator).

Anyhow, I think my main point was that it's just topic that's difficult to prevail on and, as a result, it's a conversational mire that ought to be avoided when possible and dealt with more cleanly when avoidance is impossible.

[–]moonflower -3 points-2 points ago

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A lot of atrocities have been committed by regimes in their pursuit of an atheist society ... killing theists who refused to renounce their belief in god ... of course nothing is driven by atheism itself, but once an atheist becomes an anti-theist they have taken up an intolerant and potentially dangerous ideology

[–]reviling 0 points1 point ago

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This I have not heard before. Could you please educate me. What regimes?

[–]moonflower -2 points-1 points ago

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have you never heard anything about Joseph Stalin?

[–]reviling 3 points4 points ago

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ಠ_ಠ Socialism != Atheism

[–]kormgar 6 points7 points ago

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Sure. Rigid Marxist ideology combined with paranoid totalitarian regimes were largely the cause.

The official atheism of Communist regimes are the natural result of their belief that organized religion was a tool used by the bourgeoisie to keep the masses docile.

But they did not stop there. Communist states almost invariably installed bizarre atheistic state pseudo-religions based on leader worship and unquestioned ideology. In the end, they replaced one form of tyranny with another.

[–]Pilebsa 5 points6 points ago

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The main reason why those regimes denounced religion was because religion/god was competition for the state being the ultimate authority figure.

In every [pseudo]-atheist regime, you will find a head of state that has achieved god-like status. So technically, they aren't really "atheist" regimes. They've made their supreme leader the deity.

[–]moonflower -2 points-1 points ago

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that is a 'no true scotsman' cop-out, trying to claim they are no longer atheist if they start demanding loyalty to their leader ... they are still as atheist as you are, and you cannot accept it

[–]Pilebsa 3 points4 points ago

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It's not a no true scotsman. I'm arguing against a post hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy. There is no proven cause-effect relationship between those regimes activities and their atheism.

In any case, the regime is not "atheist" - there is no doctrine or dogma that is part of the government which imposes "non-belief" -- that makes no sense.

[–]moonflower 0 points1 point ago

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I didn't say their behaviour was caused by atheism, so there is no need to argue against that ... I'm just telling you that they were atheist which you are having trouble accepting

[–]Pilebsa 4 points5 points ago

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tens of millions of people were murdered by people who wore pants in Stalinist Russia

FTFY

[–]stillnotking 0 points1 point ago

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A very small percentage of the victims of Soviet and Chinese totalitarianism were killed in the name of atheism, i.e. for refusing to give up their religious beliefs. Most "enemies of the state" were so designated for purely secular reasons. OTOH, every single victim of the Inquisition and the Crusades was killed in the name of religion.

I do agree with your basic point that people don't need any special reason to kill each other, and obviously one can be Christian without supporting witch-burnings, just as one can be atheist without being Stalinist.

[–]seabass341 2 points3 points ago

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It has led to the greatest reposts of all time.

[–]Daemon_of_Mail 2 points3 points ago

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Seriously, this image comes up at least once a week. And it reaches the front page every time. I can understand that each time there's going to be a significant number of people who have never seen it before due to not spending their entire life on Reddit, but I think a lot of the people upvoting it are ones who have seen it before, and are just upvoting it every time they see it because they agree with it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago*

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Slavery was justified using Darwin's Theory after the abolitionist movement took root in the 1830's. Christianity began to die out as justification after the 1830s because the slave owners did not want to fight common ground with the abolitionists. Also, the idea of slavery being a "positive good" greatly changed the rational for slavery.. Then after Darwin's theory came out it was rationalized that blacks descended from a different species and therefore it was ok because they were not fully human.

"If you don't tell it like it was, it can never be as it ought to be".

EDIT

I am not justifying anything, I am just pointing out what happened and why the civil war panel is not technically correct.

EDIT 2:

My apologies for the imprecise wording. Darwin built his theory on others works, the idea of a different common ancestor was not new when his theory was published in 1859. Thomas Jefferson even talks about it in his 1776 Notes on Virginia. When Darwin published his theory it basically solidified their belief. This belief having come from other ideas that were already floating around. Also, to clarify on how they justified it, ill quote myself from another response.

"They reasoned, using Darwin's ideas and other ideas, that whites descended down a different line from the blacks, and blacks were not related at all to white beings, and therefore were not worthy of liberty.

They essentially used it to say that blacks were not human."

[–]Mainecolbs 17 points18 points ago

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Though, it may have been justified using Darwin's theory it was still an incorrect justification and incorrect scientifically. With science we don't get to pick and choose which parts we like ;)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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I know, but it does not change the fact that that was the way the theory was used. Shame, but thats what it was.

As I said, you have to tell it like it was.

I am a civil war historian and a SHEAR historian, and it bothers me when people make broad generalizations about the antebellum south and civil war. The rest, is funny.

[–]Mainecolbs 2 points3 points ago

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A shame indeed. and you are right with that, my friend. Hiding the truth is just as bad as lying. People making sweeping generalizations about anything is bothersome :P

[–]Ashiro 0 points1 point ago

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This is wrong. Numerous studies get buried by their authors because they don't back a certain cause. Commercial, personal, social, etc. Newspapers (who plays a much bigger role in scientific propogation) will often cherry pick research and fudge statistics to further their own political ideals.

To think science is infallible is to make the same fundamental mistakes that theism makes. Primarily: Arrogance.

[–]BamH1 4 points5 points ago

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what you are describing is not a fault with the scientific method, or science itself. What you are describing is a fault with how the media is run in this country and others.

Science, if practiced responsibly and rigorously, is relatively free from this type of bias. And if it is practiced irresponsibly, the community usually weeds that shit out pretty rapidly.

[–]bigwhale 1 point2 points ago

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It's basically the definition of science to try to eliminate such bias.

[–]Mainecolbs 0 points1 point ago

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Let's differentiate between a study and a true scientific study. truth lies in true science. I agree, you have to take statistics with a grain of salt and know your sources credibility. Science it's self is infalliable, but people aren't!

[–]lenojames 9 points10 points ago

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So, they used Darwin's theory as support for slavery because there was waning religious support for slavery.

Either way, they were only trying to justify slavery. The way I see it, both answers may be right, but both answers are beside the point. The crime (slavery) is separate from the justification (the bible, evolution, etc). And I think that's proven by the shifting justification.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I am just telling you what they did.

[–]lenojames 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, no issues here dude. I just thought it was an interesting topic you brought up.

The fact that slave owners had to change their justification from a religious base to a scientific base shows the weakness in their religious argument. And it also showed that they just wanted slaves, no matter what the rationale, and no matter what the cost in blood.

Besides, the slave owners were the ones who wanted to justify slavery, not you.

...unless...

[–]ewokjedi 4 points5 points ago

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Slavery was justified using Darwin's theory after the abolitionist movement took root in the 1830's.

Sounds fishy, though, probably because of the imprecise phrasing. Darwin didn't publish his theory until around 1860. I know you said "after the 1830s" but we're talking 30-40 years after.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago*

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Sorry for the imprecise phrasing. Darwins theory was published in 1859, but of course, his work had been built on previous ideas.

They reasoned, using Darwin's ideas and other ideas, that whites descended down a different line from the blacks, and blacks were not related at all to white beings, and therefore were not worthy of liberty.

They essentially used it to say that blacks were not human.

[–]tehwinrar 3 points4 points ago

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Darwinist natural selection is not a religion or lack of one. It is a scientific theory that many people of many different religious beliefs follow.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I was just saying what they did, which is why the panel on the civil war is correct.

I wasn't trying to justifying anything.

[–]mugsoh 2 points3 points ago

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I'm confused by the timeline. Darwin didn't publish On The Origin Of Species until 1859. How were they using his theory in the 1830s?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Imprecise phrasing. Many slaveholders still reasoned that blacks descended from differently from whites, but the Darwin theory only furthered these thoughts.

[–]mrpeabody208 0 points1 point ago

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I like how you explained what you were saying. Thanks for the tidbit. Reminds me of how the eugenics movement waned in the middle part of last century.

[–]DRW_ 0 points1 point ago*

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People who used Darwin's theory as justification to do that didn't understand Darwin's theory. His theory says it is those who are best adapt to their environment and purpose that survive the longest to reproduce, not those who are the fittest, strongest and smartest.

"Survival of the fittest" was a term made up by Herbert spencer. Darwin later used it in later editions of The Origin of Species, but it was meant to mean exactly what he described natural selection as. Those who are best adapt to their environment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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They reasoned, using Darwin's ideas and other ideas, that whites descended down a different line from the blacks, and blacks were not related at all to white beings, and therefore were not worthy of liberty.

They essentially used it to say that blacks were not human.

[–]DRW_ 0 points1 point ago

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Yet Darwin himself, after seeing how certain slaves were treated, put emphasis in his journals on how he couldn't understand how people saw different people so differently.

The emphasis that we're all human.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You think I do not realize this? I was just telling you what they did. Why are you telling me?

That is the way slaveholders saw it and how they used it. Telling me thisis not going to change history.

[–]Pilebsa 0 points1 point ago

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Slavery was justified using Darwin's Theory after the abolitionist movement took root in the 1830's.

I seriously doubt that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago*

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Sorry for the imprecise phrasing. Darwins theory was published in 1859, but of course, his work had been built on previous ideas.

They reasoned, using Darwin's ideas and other ideas, that whites descended down a different line from the blacks, and blacks were not related at all to white beings, and therefore were not worthy of liberty.

They essentially used it to say that blacks were not human.

[–]bigwhale 0 points1 point ago

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Too bad they didn't understand science. Using Darwin's theory of evolution to justify slavery makes as much sense as using Newton's theory of gravity to justify legislation against aircraft.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I think it makes sense. The main argument against slavery was that it was denying humans the right to liberty.

They reasoned, using Darwin's ideas and others, that whites descended down a different line from the blacks, and blacks were not related at all to white beings, and therefore were not worthy of liberty.

They essentially used it to say that blacks were not human.

[–]random314 0 points1 point ago

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That's impossible, atheists are perfect beings incapable of any wrong doings!

[–]chuckknucka 5 points6 points ago

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I like how the words are drooling out of the pope's mouth. Fitting.

[–]Toshers 6 points7 points ago

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Of course it has. If they would just believe in God, we wouldn't have to kill them!

[–]RandomFrenchGuy 1 point2 points ago

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How could he know ?? Has the pope been eating babies ??

Should we be eating the pope, to get new and improved powers, as seen on TV ?

[–]I_Iz_Hope 1 point2 points ago

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My only regret is that I have but one upvote to give.

[–]Vincent133 3 points4 points ago*

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Am I the only one that thinks that if there weren't any religion in the world, these people would just find some other excuse?

[–]woodrail 7 points8 points ago

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That's like saying that if you didn't give fools machineguns with which to do their slaughtering then they'd just use rocks.

Sure they'd use rocks - but then they'd do their slaughtering a heck of a lot less efficiently. They might even give it up as too much work.

Never discount the power of convenience.

I have no clue at all.

[–]Verun 6 points7 points ago

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It really depends. Without religion, will the idea that other human beings deserve to live and make their own choices take over? Already there's a lot of people claiming that abortion and contraceptives are wrong, and that it has nothing to do with god and everything to do with "no one should have sex, ever."

Really, we need a paradigm shift, from selfishness, to group awareness. We're going to go much further as a species if we think about our actions, what's best for the group, and the best way to go about it, rather than what one or two of us as an individual wants for everyone else to do.

[–]bigwhale 2 points3 points ago

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That people are totally against sex without being influenced by religious ideas is something I've never heard before.

[–]Verun 0 points1 point ago

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They claim they aren't motivated by god or by religion, I think they are, but I can't surmise the truth from people I know are liars and willing to destroy the truth in order to get what they want anyways.

There are people who are simply uptight, selfish, and childish enough to believe that people should only ever get married once, and only have sex once they're married, and anyone having sex outside of marriage deserves punishment. I'm sure god is tied in somewhere, but it's really placing their own views upon a made-up being anyways.

[–]That_guy137 2 points3 points ago

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Which pope was this?

[–]EncasedMeats 10 points11 points ago

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All of them?

[–]That_guy137 0 points1 point ago

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ORLY?

[–]LymeyBastard 0 points1 point ago

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Matt Bors is my favorite active cartoonist. He never disappoints me.

[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point ago

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Didn't get it till the third panel. Fuck

[–]eyehate 0 points1 point ago

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Almost as creepy as a Chick Tract.

[–]rampantdissonance 0 points1 point ago

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I have a problem with the last one. The Vatican's misconduct is not the abuse itself (some teachers abuse children, but that itself is not a problem with teaching, that's a problem with the individuals who abuse); it's that they were completely unwilling to do anything to address the problem and actively disrupted law enforcement. They were far more concerned with their image than the pursuit of justice. But that would be hard to put in a panel.

[–]jt004c 0 points1 point ago

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This cartoon is extremely well written, which is saying a lot for a few thought bubbles.

[–]bosord 0 points1 point ago

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So I'll go ahead and ask, where in North Carolina did this happen?

[–]inconceivable42 0 points1 point ago

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No one expects the Darwin inquisition!

[–]sheehan35 0 points1 point ago

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my upvote brought it to 911

shit.

[–]planterspeanuts 0 points1 point ago

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Hahaha, a whole subreddit of circlejerking simpletons that criticize and ridicule religious people are trying to claim that they aren't cruel or disrespectful of people's basic human right (freedom of religion)

You forgot a few panels though, like when atheist Communist leaders tried to eradicate religion and religious people.

I'm also sure that if religion gets eradicated, no murders or crimes will ever be committed again, right? But it's ok, they are justifiable as long as they aren't in the name of something.

Don't kid yourselves, if someone was out there murdering christians and muslims by the millions for the sake of atheism, you'd probably rejoice you fucking hypocrites

[–]octafed 0 points1 point ago

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Let's read Nietzsche and Cuddle is one of my favorites pick up lines.

[–]BrawndoTTM 0 points1 point ago

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Y'all left out the whole, you know, Soviet Union and China stuff.

[–]BamH1 5 points6 points ago

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The difference is that these crimes against humanity were not done in the name of atheism, they were done to keep people afraid, to silence dissenters and to in general maintain power. If you look at the the crusades or the spanish inquisition, for example, the only reason these atrocities occurred was because the bible or religious leaders told them that it was the morally right thing to do.

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The difference is that these crimes against humanity were not done in the name of atheism, they were done to keep people afraid, to silence dissenters and to in general maintain power.

And no "religious" crimes had those motivations, right?

You people are such geniuses. Atheists have actual motivations for their actions, theists just do BAD THINGS because they believe in GAWD.

If you look at the the crusades or the spanish inquisition, for example, the only reason these atrocities occurred was because the bible or religious leaders told them that it was the morally right thing to do.

Let me quote from the Wikipedia article on the Spanish Inquisition:

Various motives have been proposed for the monarchs' decision to fund the Inquisition such as increasing political authority, weakening opposition, suppressing conversos, profiting from confiscation of the property of convicted heretics, reducing social tensions and protecting the kingdom from the danger of a fifth column.

But, nope, that's all wrong. They did it because GOD. That's all that's happening in the mind of a theist.

[–]BamH1 1 point2 points ago

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Thats not what i was saying at all. But you didnt really address the point of my argument. Im not saying all religiously affiliated crimes against humanity had only religion as the source of motivation. However, it wasnt the religious leaders committing the actual torture and slayings of men, women, and children. It was people being told by said religious leaders that committing these atrocities is what god wanted them to do. Religious leaders of old were just as corrupt and power hungry as the worst politicians of today. I am not saying that they actually believed what they were saying in order to coerce their congregation into torture and murder, just that they justified these actions with use of religion.

The fact of the matter is you didnt actually read my argument and take the time to come up with a well thought out rational response. I didnt say theists do bad things because of god, i said they do bad things because their religious texts, and/or religious leaders tell them that it is the morally right thing to do. I dont think anyone can refute that these days (with all of the religious extremism of late). Perhaps if people didnt follow religious leaders and texts with blind faith then some of these atrocities could have been avoided.

As for the other part of my argument (that you never addressed mind you), the crimes against humanity cited (the cultural revolution in China, and the great purge in the USSR) were not committed in the name of atheism and I dont think anyone would claim otherwise. So the entirety of the point that I made (that the cited atrocities were not committed in the name of atheism, and that many crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of religion) stands irrefuted at this point.

[–]bigwhale 0 points1 point ago

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As long as we can agree that religions don't make people any more moral than atheists.

[–]yaruki_zero 0 points1 point ago

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The thing is that people understand that there are many kinds of religion, yet somehow completely fail to grasp that there's more than one kind of atheism. The same people who will happily say that Dawkins follows the same philosophy as Pol Pot would likely be outrages if someone told them they have the same philosophy as Osama bin Laden.

[–]Hpxqr 0 points1 point ago

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Communism.

[–]Dville1 2 points3 points ago

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has nothing inherently to do with atheism

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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In fact, faith that Marxist theory could be applied to agriculture killed as many, if not more, people than overt purges did. And purges were based on magical thinking themselves. Skepticism, that's the ticket!

[–]konquererz 0 points1 point ago

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Damn it, I am at work, and every frame of this comic made me laugh out loud. Had to stifle one laugh after another. "Praise Richard Dawkins!" Great comic Zhann!

[–]SchinTeth 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, its that comic again...have an upvote

[–]MusicPorn 0 points1 point ago

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Well... What about Communist nations that abolished religion? Those guys did some pretty fucked up stuff to their own people (and other people). Is that-... I mean, did anybody-... You know what, just go ahead and downvote me, you know you were going to do that anyway.

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[–]cpepinc 1 point2 points ago

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The Confederate Constitution specificly mentions a God.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago

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The south was about States Rights and one of the rights was to decide if they wanted slavery. I was not a religious thing. The history of the war of Northern Agression was writen by the winners

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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That is. . . not quite accurate.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Meh, close enough for Reddit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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No, it's not even close enough for Fox News.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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it is actually on the money, Publicschool

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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No, it's a public school understanding.

You simply don't know what you're talking about. You're on the right track with money though :).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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spoken like a Northerner

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You're right. My relatively wealth and education make me incapable of talking gibberish about a universally acknowledged historical fact.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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nad that fact is that the civil war was fought simply over slavery...you are hopeless. Goodbye

[–]RebBrown -5 points-4 points ago

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This cartoon is hilarious! I wonder why I've never seen it on reddit before.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points ago

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Is this how we gonna play? last century biggest killers were atheists called Stalin and Mao... whistle

[–]FallacyPointerOuter 7 points8 points ago*

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Logical fallacy detected:

Guilt by association

[–]InfinitySnatch 3 points4 points ago

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[–]junkeee999 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, those logical gymnastics trying to explain away Stalin were hilarious.

Scumbag subreddit: Religious person promotes disdain for unbelievers, kills people, religion made him it.

Anti-religious person promotes disdain for believers, kills people, well he was unstable, he doesn't count.

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I'm not religious, I'm just annoyed by atheists who claim religion is the root of evil and violence. Religion is not bad, it is humans that make bad decisions.

[–]designerutah 1 point2 points ago

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Religion is not bad

I think you can make a case that religion (as an institution) leads towards evil and violence because it's nature is divisive, and is based on (by definition), reliance on a supernatural entity which has yet to make an appearance. So you have three common points:

  1. Concentration of power, wealth and influence
  2. Divisiveness (who is a sinner, who is not, who is a member, who is not, etc.)
  3. Deity giving them justification for any choices/beliefs they come up with (and human nature being what it is, some of those choices will be selfish, evil, or violent).. which leads to not just violence, but violence excused in the name of a supernatural deity.

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[–]yaruki_zero 1 point2 points ago

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So all atheism is exactly the same? There's really no distinction to be made between the atheism of the mass-murdering tyrants and that of contemporary secular humanists?

Yes, not a few atheists are quick to make generalizations about religion's negative influence, but then plenty of theists act as though a non-religious society would consist of nothing but cannibal murderers. Let's dial down all of the dumb generalizations rather than piling more and more of them into a giant heap of stupid.

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(most) atheists turned as annoying and irritating as any other religion, there for I dislike all of them. "The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not."

[–]painperdu -1 points0 points ago

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Point well delivered!

[–]bannista7 -1 points0 points ago

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This is so wonderful!!!

[–]awesomeDave02 -1 points0 points ago

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FLAAAAAAAAME WAR! :3

[–]wing_the_nut -1 points0 points ago

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This is one of the best cartoons I have ever seen on the subject.

[–]AskMeAboutUnicorns -3 points-2 points ago

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I can't believe you bastards did shit like this and then have the audacity to insult the religious. Enjoy your circlejerk, hypocrites.