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A consequence of war (i.imgur.com)

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[–][deleted] 71 points72 points ago

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The army suicide rate in 2009 was 20.2 per 100,000 soldiers, slightly higher than the national average of 19.2 per 100 000 inhabitants.

What that painting actually shows is how astonishingly low the combat casualties in Iraq were.

[–]skarface6 10 points11 points ago

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I think when you compare them to people of the same age, etc, the rate is lower/at the national rate.

[–]bruestle2 12 points13 points ago

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From when I did this research in the past, yes, you are completely correct. The suicide rate of US solders compared to the same demographic back on the mainland (18-25) shows that the soldiers actually commit suicide less.

[–]skarface6 6 points7 points ago

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Demographic! That's the word I was looking for.

Yeah, I read somewhere that officials were getting upset because their numbers were approaching the national rate for their demographic.

[–]Smilge 2 points3 points ago

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Wow, that's incredible. Source please?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Any publications I could look at? I'm a vet and am interested in this stuff.

[–]mspigy 1 point2 points ago

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Define "soldiers." Are you talking about ALL U.S. Servicemembers? Are you talking about U.S. Servicemembers who have served in CENTCOM? "Lies, damn lies, statistics..."

[–]Spatulamarama 2 points3 points ago

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What if you factor in mental illnesses which would exclude you from armed service?

[–]zane17 3 points4 points ago

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You need to compare age groups though. Most civilian suicides are among the elderly. Most soldiers are certainly not elderly.

[–]NightlyNews 0 points1 point ago

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Men 18-25 are the second greatest at risk after the elderly though.

Look up the facts less men in the army kill themselves than at home. It makes sense really, rigid life schedules and lots of people around you who you know count on you is about the best defense against suicide I can think of.

[–]mspigy 1 point2 points ago

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It's rising.

[–]thegimp90 -2 points-1 points ago

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you're a muppet

[–]fryjap -5 points-4 points ago

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when you compare it to the number of preventable, alcohol-related deaths in the military, both of these numbers combined are dwarfed.

[–]Ihaveonequestion 2 points3 points ago

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What? That's alcohol related traffic deaths and has nothing to do with the military.

[–]mspigy 2 points3 points ago

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From 1953?

[–]DriveByStoning 25 points26 points ago

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Army Vet here. These numbers are well within the norm. Nothing to see. People kill themselves regardless of what profession they choose so this artist can fuck right off with his hash marks.

If he wanted to make a point, he should just have showed how many lives are being saved by the foreign aid and safety training of the Iraqi (not to mention Afghan) police force and military.

That being said, it's time to bring everyone home.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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I tried to say the exact thing in another post the other day and got downvoted into oblivion. They refused to believe that we spend far more time over there helping people and communities than killing folk. My battalion alone spent 30 million on aid during our deployment.

[–]mspigy 2 points3 points ago*

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The pic isn't about troops killing other people. It's about how war affects troops as a whole, that enemy or friendly fire isn't the only killer. People go wacko. Thinking you can be sent at any time, or having shit stretched thin at home because so many people have to be deployed for so long...these things are stressors. Edit: Also, people holler about the number of casualties due to "the war," but you don't see them mounting any kind of Mental Health initiatives to help the troops. Or to help civilians, either, for that matter. Speaks to the ridiculous stigma there is about seeking mental health care. Rather, the attitude is more: "Oh well, they were damaged anyway, good riddance."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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I think you replied to the wrong post. I was not talking about the picture.

But since we are on the subject, you explained to me the effects of war like I don't know, when it is obvious from my post that I do know first hand.

You know nothing about the systems in place to help soldiers with mental health. While in the army, soldiers can receive free therapy, health care, and medication. I did. Upon separation, the VA provides I think 5 years of free therapy, health care, and next to nothing for medication. I did. Also, a vet can file for disability and are given a rating of 0% to 100% based upon they claims for depression, knee problems, etc., and receive a lifetime of free healthcare. I did that too, and now receive a very nice sum of money every month to pay for any therapy or other health costs I decide to seek outside those provided by the VA.

A huge chuck of taxpayer money goes to helping vets. These are top of the line facilities with the best doctors too.

Tack on the GI Bill, and it looks to me like the government is taking care of it's vets (for the most part).

[–]thedurka 2 points3 points ago

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Seeing as your post contains facts and goes against the neo-liberal world view, I'm going to assume it'll be downvoted into oblivion. Thanks for the info though!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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No problem homie.

[–]mspigy 0 points1 point ago

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70% disabled mental health vet here. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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SO why do you think we are not helping troops?

[–]mspigy 0 points1 point ago

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The stigma within the ranks is still huge. The message the leadership is attempting to send is getting better, but there are "dinosaurs" that cling to the belief that seeking help equals weakness. I'm glad you got help. I was in a facility for a few days not long ago and there were lots of Servicemembers there. They were scattered among other wards, but then there was one ward that was specifically for them also. PTSD, bi-polar disorder and "rage issues" were some of the issues they said they were receiving treatment for. It was voiced by one or more that they were concerned about their positions upon returning to duty, if they were allowed to fully return. It's not a simple problem with a simple answer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Ah, I agree. I was very ashamed of the treatment I was getting and didn't tell anyone. It's so shunned, that I didn't even know the VA system existed until after I had separated.

[–]DriveByStoning 3 points4 points ago

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Reddit is a fickle mistress. Some posts are flooded with ultra libs and others have neo cons. Rarely do you get men such as ourselves that get to see both sides of war. When you articulate both points of view (or the opposing point to the thread's popular opinion) you will get beat down by those that don't want to hear it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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That's just a hand in the front and a hand in the back. Some estimates say that, since the USA began occupying Iraq, 1.5 million people have died from it both directly and indirectly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I'm just talking about my battalion. I don't know how other colonels managed their areas.

[–]mspigy 1 point2 points ago*

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OK. http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52879

Edit: also...http://www.dcoe.health.mil/DCoEV2/Content/navigation/documents/gahm.pdf

[–]DriveByStoning 0 points1 point ago

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It's the same exact numbers as the top comment in this thread. This isn't new. I'm not trying to be a hard ass but there is a lot of options available to soldiers, not just the good ol' Chaplin like before. If they don't avail themselves to the FREE resources, it's no different from a plummer who has a case of the blues. Like I said before, people off themselves everyday. Quite honestly, being in the military is a high stress job and I'm surprised that there aren't more people taking the easy way out. It's sad, yes, but in two weeks no one will give a shit again. Until it's reposted, that is.

[–]specialk16 -1 points0 points ago

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how many lives are being saved by the foreign aid and safety training of the Iraqi

Yeah, and also how many Iraqis are being killed, and how rich Erick Prince has become, etc, etc.

[–]Travis-Touchdown 0 points1 point ago

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Hint: The former number is larger.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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And how many lives are being saved?

[–]DriveByStoning 0 points1 point ago

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420,000+ in addition to the 1.5 million refugees that have been averted. That's just in Iraq. The number is based on the average number of killings based on the democide being committed by the Saddam regime.

Who wants to find the number of people saved when it's much easier to count the bodies and show weeping families on TV? I can do this all night. I don't think how the US ended up in Iraq was on the up and up, but it needed to be done. Who was up in arms about Kosovo? No one. Guess what, we still have troops there as well. NATO is still getting their ass kicked after the handover in 2008, but no one wants to talk about that, either. That shit has been going on since 1996 with US involvement heavily from 99 to 2008 with permanent camps still in place.

I realize I'm getting off topic but it's one of the things I'm truly passionate about.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Chilean born artist.

Did you know more men of military age have died in Los Angeles than Iraq during the same time period? I'm talking about violent deaths.

[–]specialk16 2 points3 points ago

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So, his nationality is relevant how?

[–]svand87 2 points3 points ago

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He forgot Afghanistan.

[–]thedurka 1 point2 points ago

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And Poland.

[–]Mangonesailor 2 points3 points ago

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I wonder what the number of Suicide attempts were for that year. I know my ship had about 7 in one year.

[–]hayashirice911 5 points6 points ago

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This is why I look at the comments. Looks at photo "Damn I didn't know suicide rates were so high in the military"

The army suicide rate in 2009 was 20.2 per 100,000 soldiers, slightly higher than the national average of 19.2 per 100 000 inhabitants.

.."oh"

[–]OlePuddinHead 1 point2 points ago

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coming soon --- suicides may soon become a consequence of a bad economy and not finding work.

btw- in my opinion, the last necessary war was WWII. Every other war was not necessary for the US to interfere in. It bothers me that lately everyone gives praise to iraq soldiers but not so much to Vietnam soldiers

[–]Eliminos 0 points1 point ago

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The other consequence is that this pic has been reposted once a month for the past 10 years

[–]piptastic 1 point2 points ago

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or 2 years anyway

[–]UnfrozenCavemanLaw 0 points1 point ago

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More people died last year in Juarez Mexico from prohibition violence than all American military casualties in the Iraq war.

[–]thedurka 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah but they aren't white so who cares

</bitterdepressingsarcasm>

[–]Xena93 -1 points0 points ago

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repost

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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I think something far more telling is our our murder numbers. The attacks on the WTC accounted for three thousand deaths and we initiated an all out war to stop it and yet here at home over fifteen thousand people a year are murdered. Maybe we should focus on our own domestic problems before playing world police.

[–]raget3ch -4 points-3 points ago

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This is what happens when you train men to fight for freedom with honor & integrity and send them to the desert to kill civilians for corporate gain.

[–]shitterplug -1 points0 points ago

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I was reading something a while back that basically proved this to be complete bullshit. Sure wish I had the link now.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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There were actually more on the right side, but some prankster thought he would fill the left.

[–]OleH_ -5 points-4 points ago

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Must be suicidal to sign up for service in the first place where the only downside to your job is death / torture if captured.

[–]mspigy 2 points3 points ago

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Right, that's the only downside. Psh.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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this is a very misleading post

[–]Mousi -2 points-1 points ago

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Are those suicide numbers for troops that have served in Iraq or the entire US military? Thought so.

[–]Mousi -2 points-1 points ago

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Someone is sore that their sensationalist point is bullshit?

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