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Determinism. (imgur.com)

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[–]montyy123 6 points7 points ago

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I'd say even if we don't have free will it is a very convincing illusion. It really doesn't matter if freewill exists or not unless we get to a point where we can predict what people are going to do accurately, which I suppose we can do to a limited extent already.

[–]Beararms 1 point2 points ago

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It doesn't really matter in terms of accountability anyway, whether or not some vague non-concept like free will exists doesn't effect the value of our actions.

[–]trakam 0 points1 point ago

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well....actually it does. If our actions are dependent on predicatable causal events then where does that leave the concept of blame?

[–]fistilis 1 point2 points ago

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Except it would be predetermined who you would blame and who you not blame. As all agency would essentially be removed questions about the morality of any given "choice" would become trivial.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago*

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relevant: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-brain-on-trial/8520/

tl;dr: people do dumb shit, find out they have brain tumors, get them removed and become normal again (though in some of the examples, people did crazy shit and after they died we found they had brain tumors)

[–]Beararms 0 points1 point ago

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Not really. Blame is a non-concept anyway. Either people are valuable or they aren't.

Does that mean we should yell at retarded individuals for being stupid? No, that isn't likely to change their behavior. There is no point in looking down on them and we have decided, as a society, to take care of them because we want that kind of safety in place for ourselves and our loved ones should we or they ever fall into that kind of situation.

Does it matter that it was destined for a rapist to be an asshole since the day the universe began? Not really, the future exists the way it does because of the actions we make now, it doesn't matter if there is only one way it ever could have been or not. Locking him up or whatever is still just as correct.

[–]minimii 2 points3 points ago

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Or get another book.

[–]DarkAura57 2 points3 points ago

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Free will is nothing more than Humanity trying to provide meaning for itself in the universe where there is none. We are nothing more than physical objects so what makes us unique? What makes us have free will where other physical objects dont?

[–]gropo 1 point2 points ago

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Something something compatibilism something something.

[–]DarkAura57 2 points3 points ago

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Compatabilism is bullshit too

[–]Knotritenaou 1 point2 points ago

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if old man is Bill Hicks, you're probably on drugs.

[–]Llythe 1 point2 points ago

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I want this book.

[–]CpCat 1 point2 points ago

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name of book FTW?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I'm getting this book and flipping to page 72, that is if OP is predetermined to share with us the name of the book.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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WAT BOOK?

[–]zelani 1 point2 points ago

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I don't care that it's shopped. It's fucking awesome.

[–]skeezix58 0 points1 point ago

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if it has been proven, it's no longer a hypothesis?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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So what happens if you choose to turn to page 42 instead? Does the universe reset itself?

[–]Sunnlite 0 points1 point ago

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What's the book?

[–]PPKAP 0 points1 point ago

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I CHOSE to upvote this, dammit.

[–]Stumbling_Sober 0 points1 point ago

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I knew you would.

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