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[–]MHTLuca 104 points105 points ago

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Black and white: the way everyone sees everything.

Condition and circumstances means nothing, because right and wrong are obviously and clearly devided right?

[–]paradoksikal 4 points5 points ago

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divided*

[–]Stingwolf 14 points15 points ago

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You just see spelling in black and white.

[–]MHTLuca 27 points28 points ago

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Hey thanks! I'll probably just leave it though.

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    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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    Agreed! Right and wrong is always conditional. I can't believe more people aren't bringing this topic up.

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      [–]JiggY_ 118 points119 points ago

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      I guess it also depends on which country you are in. As a Scandinavian I rarely see police brutality.

      [–]TheSnop 299 points300 points ago*

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      As an American, I rarely see police brutality, either. Reddit does not equal the real world.

      [–][deleted] 78 points79 points ago

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      As a Redditor, I regularly see police brutality. Its usually on the front page.

      [–]onektwenty4 14 points15 points ago

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      as an american redditor, i experience severe cognitive dissonance

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        [–]Sarstan 26 points27 points ago

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        Think about the numbers. Something around 800k law enforcement personnel in the US. When you see a police brutality video, you have, at most, a half dozen or so officers involved. Often far less.
        The truth is that the number of police that commit these acts is extremely small. The publicity is exceptionally large. Kind of like the number of child abductions. It's become a rare crime, but we continue to have massive fear of it and when a case pops up of it, it gets blown up.

        [–]old_calico_cat 10 points11 points ago

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        "Please, feel free to videotape us while we work. We have nothing to hide."

        Until more police start saying that, I will continue to distrust them.

        [–]steezdoug 11 points12 points ago

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        please let me videotape you at work.

        [–]Haezeus 3 points4 points ago

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        Okay, it would probably help me keep on task.

        [–]steezdoug 1 point2 points ago

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        Actually I'm pretty hypocritical because I have security cameras in my shop and it really does keep me on task. Then again, I'm not a cop.

        [–]old_calico_cat 4 points5 points ago

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        Many, if not most, places of employment routinely monitor their employees on the job. My job does. What's so special about cops?

        Also, you can videotape everyone else in a public space, which is basically what we're talking about doing with cops, for the most part. What's so special about cops that videotaping them causes them to not be able to perform their jobs?

        [–]sli 1 point2 points ago

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        My friend works at Papa John's and their area coach will watch store cameras and text people that are slacking off.

        [–]steezdoug 1 point2 points ago*

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        Look if you want people that can act professional in situations police officers deal with, you need to pay them at least double current salary. Street cop is usually a dead end job with long hours, not exactly attractive to intelligent people.

        [–]LazyRobot 9 points10 points ago

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        If my job is paid by public taxes and I have power over you then I am completely open to having my on duty actions tracked and audited.

        [–]steezdoug 2 points3 points ago

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        Where are you going to find the people to do this job? Seriously, my only problem with this opinion that police officers need to be perfect human beings.

        [–]casualbattery 2 points3 points ago

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        ... believe or not, some people actually want to help others and would be stoked to make a living doing so, I know, weird right?

        [–]steezdoug 0 points1 point ago

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        Where are they? why aren't they already police officers? Reddit constantly bitches about police brutality, why don't they become cops?

        [–]casualbattery 0 points1 point ago

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        My guess is that a lot of them already are, some may be or are on their way to becoming doctors too probably... and besides we don't have a major lack of police officers in the states, but scientist's? Now those fuckers are sadly scarce nowadays.

        Also, I think reddit, just like any massive group of people, sometimes hates police and sometimes loves them.

        [–]LazyRobot 0 points1 point ago

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        This oversight is typically supposed to be done by internal affairs or another policing unit. It is definitely a shitty deal that we would expect a group of humans to act like saints though, and I doubt that I would be anything near a perfect cop. The idea here is to ingrain a sense of accountability. One of the main reasons I think there is no anarchy today is because people know that they are likely to be held accountable for their actions. So for the most part we all behave.

        [–]oglsmm 3 points4 points ago

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        That's bull. No one is asking them to be taped while sitting at their desk doing paperwork. When they are working in public and in a situation that can and does lead to abuse of power then they should be taped. It should not be illegal for someone to tape something happening in front of them and in public.

        With great power, comes great responsibility. That's the motto they need to live by, and they need to be answerable for their abuses.

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          [–]joots 0 points1 point ago

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          you should look into G20 Toronto.

          [–]weedeater64 0 points1 point ago

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          Ever been arrested ? I doubt it, because you sound rather ignorant about how police behave. The bulk of them are dicks.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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          Most cops are only dicks to dicks, and often dicks don't know they're dicks.

          [–]theghostofme 0 points1 point ago

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          Ever been arrested ?

          Twice.

          Both times, the cops who arrested me were cool as fuck. Wanna know why? Cause I wasn't acting like a gaping asshole to them.

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            [–]rblue 22 points23 points ago

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            Same here. Never seen brutality. Dad was a cop for 20 years. Nothing unusual to report back.

            [–]bjo12 13 points14 points ago*

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            As a white American living in middle class America I have personally been threatened by a cop for looking at him the wrong way, had a cop hide in the bushes for an hour watching me and my friends camping just so he could harass us before letting us go(according to the park ranger he does this regularly.), and my mom was a direct witness to cops beating a black man until he told them where his alleged accomplice was. He stole a car and crashed it in her yard.

            I've also had numerous experiences with nice, respectful cops. The problem is that if you encounter an asshole plumber, IT guy, Mcdonalds worker, or whatever you might be inconvenienced or ripped off, but if you encounter an asshole cop you can end up injured, dead, or in debt due to the high costs of fighting a legal battle against false charges.

            Maybe these incidents aren't as common as reddit suggests, but that they happen at all is a problem that people should care about, and the fact that when they do happen the cops involved often get nothing more than a slap on the wrist is disgusting.

            Edit: I'm not trying to in any way make a comment about whether these incidents are common or not, And I added a maybe to one sentence to reflect this. I'm simply providing some personal experiences and my opinion on why the existence of any police brutality is something worth getting upset about. And trying to point out that saying I'm American and I've never experienced police brutality is also not a valid argument concerning the overall frequency of police brutality.

            [–]but-but 2 points3 points ago

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            An encounter with a bad plumber might not leave you in debt? I think you are severely underestimating the effects of your house being flooded in sewage.

            [–]Shakesify 1 point2 points ago

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            I think you're confusing bad with asshole. While being an asshole could contribute to being bad at a job, the two are not the same.

            [–]but-but 1 point2 points ago

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            Are you saying an asshole wouldn't be able to do more damage than a bad one?

            [–]Shakesify 0 points1 point ago

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            Hmm that's interesting...I guess they could do the same amount of damage? One from malicious intent, the other from being that bad at their job.

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              [–]JiggY_ 34 points35 points ago

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              Well, I went to American High School for one year as part of an exchange student stay back when I was 16. And I agree, reddit does not equal the real world. However my impression is, that the american police force uses violence as a means of law enforcement, in a much larger extend than in many other countries.

              [–][deleted] 38 points39 points ago

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              Then you don't know much about the world around you and need to travel more.

              [–]DiogenesTheSincere 7 points8 points ago

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              He said many, not most.

              [–]arc13 2 points3 points ago

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              Your comment stems from a disconcerting, nationalism-fueled ignorance. The fact that your first response to his comment is to charge JiggY with ignorance, I think, demonstrates that you are the person that doesn't know much about the world around you. There are, in fact, many countries that are more democratic, free, stable, and inviting than the US. Does this mean the US is a horrible cesspool where Satan himself lives? No, of course not - its not even close. There are many, many great reasons to be proud of your country (the quality of its justice system as of late, I would argue, is not one of them). The whole "rah rah rah 'murica is the best" rallying cry, however, is extremely tired and counterproductive. If you constantly refuse to recognize the failings and weaknesses of your surroundings then you can never improve yourself. This doesn't mean you can't be patriotic or whatever (something I will admit I find distasteful, no matter what the country, but to each his own), but it's important to temper that with a measure of perspective and realism as well.

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                [–]ridik_ulass 8 points9 points ago*

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                I have had a similar experience, and though I agree violence is not a way to get things done. I would also submit that the police actions are a result of their environment, in that american people are quicker to resort to violence as a way to solve a problem than any other country I've seen.

                EDIT:I cant believe I left a vital part of the sentences out the "violence is NOT a way"

                [–]CRAZYSCIENTIST 14 points15 points ago

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                Yeah, it's a product of the american environment... How much violence is there directed towards cops in america? If you had a buddy at your station that got shot doing a routine traffic stop, you won't take a bit of bullshit from some college kid if he doesn't put his hands on the car and shut up when you tell him to.

                [–]JiggY_ 9 points10 points ago

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                Of course this graphic doesn't specifically apply to America. My interpretation if this graphic was, that the guy on the ground was protesting something in a purely verbal way, and still got forced to the ground by the police. Police using physical force, on non violent protesters, is something that is very seldom seen where I come from (Denmark). Sure the police can use force if necessary, but unless they have very well reason to do so, it almost always ends in disciplinary action.

                [–]p_rex 17 points18 points ago

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                It's also something one rarely sees in the United States. I've been to some viciously-contested protests, and the police are generally there just to maintain order, and to keep protestors and counter-protestors from getting into fisticuffs.

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                  [–]Robbuffet 4 points5 points ago

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                  It's all preemptive. I know a lot of people don't agree with that, but it works. I would much rather someone get a couple bruises, than someone try to pull a fast one on a cop and something really bad happens. Someone is going to come in and start talking about "ends justifying means", but the shit works and is, in my opinion, a better and safer solution for everyone.

                  [–]ridik_ulass 2 points3 points ago

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                  I don't agree at all, often there are elements with in a mob, looking for excuses to cause violence, and often mob mentality kicks off. you see a peaceful protester get attacked by the police, then someone defend him (what ever the defenders intentions or excuses are) people will tend to side with him and then you have a riot, because one cop jumped the gun.

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                    [–]Afterburned 1 point2 points ago

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                    Violence works.

                    [–]yep45 1 point2 points ago

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                    there is also more violent crime in the US. methinks there is a correlation.

                    [–]Saltor66 0 points1 point ago

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                    Do you honestly believe that a single year in a single city, or wherever you lived, gives you the knowledge and information necessary to make such a sweeping generalization?

                    I'll match your anecdotal evidence with some of my own: in my town, I know several of the police officers personally, and they go out of their way to avoid unnecessary conflict, and have never, to my knowledge, "struck first" in any conflict. And I live right outside of a major metropolitan area.

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                      [–]lolgrim 4 points5 points ago

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                      How about growing up in an impoverished neighborhood on Withers in Brooklyn as a Puerto Rican male?

                      I've encountered police offers, and while each officer has a different personality (gasp!), I've never seen overly brutish tactics used against anyone. The one time I witnessed an officer being rough (read: using his baton to subdue someone) was against a friend of a friend who was drunkenly swinging around his rather large, rather illegal knife. And I was damned thankful for it.

                      [–]rp_says 10 points11 points ago

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                      Perhaps there is a reason for this?

                      NINJA EDIT: What I mean to imply here is that in violent communitities (where resistence is more the norm), police are more likely to respond with violence.

                      [–]drhilarious 3 points4 points ago

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                      He said "minority community" not "violent community." Did you mean to reply to someone else?

                      [–]casualbattery 1 point2 points ago

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                      What? It's wrong to imply all minorities are violent? /sarcasm

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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                      It's okay, you don't have to apologize.

                      [–]Kinbensha 0 points1 point ago

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                      Minority community != violent community, racist.

                      [–]Sabbatai 10 points11 points ago

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                      So I guess a good number of the white people I know and I myself am somehow an exception?

                      Brutality does not only happen in neighborhoods and in fact often occurs in front of white people. I guess you mean that we aren't subject to it?

                      Well that is bullshit as well, so fuck that argument.

                      I am so sick of seeing white and black people falling for the bullshit, classic divide and conquer techniques being employed against us.

                      I'll give you that the most extreme examples seem to more often involve victims who are of a so-called minority status but why does that matter?

                      Why is a white man expected to only be angry about brutality when it is aimed at a "fellow white man"? Why are black people expected to look at such examples of brutality through a lens of "well it isn't as bad as what happens to us"?

                      Police brutality and corruption on a political level will never be addressed by small groups of people. White, black, rich, poor... WE are the ones who need to "address" it.

                      They can't ever take our capacity to arm ourselves away from us. Even if they pass laws they just create a huge black market as has already been proven.

                      They know this and acknowledge it. But dealing with a small group of angry black kids armed or otherwise, would be much easier than dealing with an entire city of people united against corruption and dedicated to that cause even if it meant their death, and even if not one of those people carried a weapon.

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                        [–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

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                        That depends on where you grew up, or who you was, I'm not sure, but I know that growing up me and most of my friends were beaten or harassed by certain specific cops. Bullys basically.

                        And I grew up in Scandinavia of course, small town.

                        [–]Redsox933 4 points5 points ago

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                        I doubt that is specific to any country or region. No matter where you are you can always find example of people who took positions of power for wrong reasons, unfortunately it is something that will most likely never go away. That being said a few bad officers does not make all police everywhere bad it is something many people here on Reddit refuse to realize.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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                        Totally, you only have to go by the fundamental principle that all people are equal. Our only differences are cultural and geographical. Also that our minds haven't changed much over our recorded "civilized" history. We read history books and act as if "we fixed that now" but no, we haven't fixed anything. It just morphs into different forms and technology advances but human minds stay the same, everywhere.

                        [–]Doktorsmurf 4 points5 points ago

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                        Please tell me more! In what country specifically and which town/region and how long ago?. I know that this would receive major coverage in Sweden if it ever were to get out in the news, probably cause public outcry. Recently a cop got some shit in the news for calling some people drunks on twitter.

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                        Oh come on, even if I would on this account it would change nothing. Last I heard the antagonist in that drama was transferred or fired, I can't really trust the rumours because I moved away when I was 18.

                        I just hate how you act like it's unique or that it doesn't happen in Sweden. It happens all the time because cops are nothing but people. Just because we have it more comfortable doesn't somehow eradicate corruption. Som Chords sa, dom spelar bara maktspel.

                        [–]Doktorsmurf 0 points1 point ago

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                        Of course there is corruption in Sweden and of course things like this happens in Sweden, I have no illusion about theses facts. From some investigating on Google there seems to be only a handful of cases about police brutality that got media coverage, there also i could not find any statistics about this. Also where i live I've never heard of someone being mistreated by the cops, all of theses facts point to police brutality being something pretty rare in Sweden. Of course there could be quite a big dark number.

                        It would seem that you only have one isolated event to base your statement from "it happens all the time". I would love to see some statistics or something of the likes if you know where to find it about this matter.

                        PS. I never said anything about corruption in Sweden which I'm sure exists just that from my experience and from what i read it would seem that police brutality is something that isn't very common here

                        [–]iFlameLife 3 points4 points ago

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                        I too live in Sweden and have been harassed, had friends who have been harassed and such by cops several times, and it never got any attention. Even if you report the officer it's likely to be skipped since his companions can stand up for him, a cops word is worth a lot more than yours. Even if you have evidence.

                        There are not statistics of this since none writes about it. A few cases gets some attention and the public goes outraged about it, that case is fixed but the problem keeps getting repeated, the media stops writing about it because at one point, people will get bored from reading the same story over and over again. All the other cases are forgotten and thrown away.

                        Ps. We have recently decided to start a red-eyes-cause to raise some attention to one of the most common problems with the police here in Sweden but its still in the planning stage. Idea is to get the media raging about it and hopefully scare the cops from using their red-eyes method for bringing people in.

                        [–]Doktorsmurf 0 points1 point ago

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                        Wow that's great I really hope you manage to get some media attention! Obviously this is a problem that many/most swedes are not aware off, including myself so i really hope that you will succeed!

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                        What you don't see won't hurt you huh. I grew up an immigrant kid in a poor neighbourhood and worked my way up to making loads of cash in IT working at a company with all Swedish, or germanic/nordic, names. I've seen the contrasts we have in Sweden so in a sense I understand your outlook on life, the fact that you haven't had contact with any police brutality.

                        Let me just take a wild guess in the dark here, you're white, caucasian Swedish, most likely with an ancestry in Sweden. Even if your great grandmother or something was dutch or french.

                        We would like to think we've eliminated these kinds of things, racism, but trust me, as long as we don't take an evolutionary leap with our mindset we will still be prejudice.

                        Everyone gets it, a large guy feels like everyone is afraid of him, a small guy feels like he's afraid of everyone or has to prove himself, a brown guy feels like everyone looks at him strange or acts strange around him.

                        Cops are prejudice just like everyone else, cops are good just like everyone else, it's a very mixed bag and to act like something just doesn't happen in my country is very naive. The reason it goes unreported is because in our case we were kids. We were literally 12,13,14 years old when these things happened. Bully cops, just like any bully, will go after the easy marks.

                        [–]Doktorsmurf 1 point2 points ago

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                        Thanks for enlightening me, obviously this is a bigger problem then i thought, it does not receive nearly as much media attention as it should and I really hope that this will change!

                        [–]lumpy1981 1 point2 points ago

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                        I bet those cops were from your town originally. We call them townies here in the states.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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                        Yeah from around there, you know the deal. One town of 25k surrounded by smaller communities in the middle of woodland areas. It's the same all over the world, close mindedness in closed off areas.

                        [–]fervent_turtle 3 points4 points ago

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                        Does "Scandinavia and the World" equal the real Scandinavia?

                        [–]tricolon 2 points3 points ago

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                        It's mostly just funny stereotypes. Keep in mind that stereotypes are mostly exaggerated truths.

                        [–]KoRazDigital 0 points1 point ago

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                        This is true.

                        That said, Finland is pretty much spot on.
                        (I jest, I'm Swedish: I have to say that.)

                        [–]tricolon 1 point2 points ago

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                        As a hairless Finn who doesn't drink, I will have to disagree.

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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                        As a Scandinavian, I rarely see police at all.

                        [–]lekotar 2 points3 points ago

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                        Maybe you're just too smug.

                        [–]DownOnTheUpside 2 points3 points ago

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                        http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk

                        [–]VerlorenesMetallgeld 1 point2 points ago

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                        Try smoking cannabis.

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                          [–]NickTheNewbie 42 points43 points ago

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                          I'll tell you what's not dangerous: Posting anti-police things to reddit.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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                          This post isn't anti-police. It's anti-police state.

                          [–]internetsuperstar 9 points10 points ago

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                          Which implies that there is a police state which is enforced by the...you guessed it......police.

                          [–]nokes 1 point2 points ago

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                          Who are enforcing rules written by.... the state.

                          [–]anonposter 18 points19 points ago

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                          which, by reddit interpretation, means bash-on-all-police

                          [–]old_calico_cat 0 points1 point ago

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                          There have been many people defending the police in this very thread without getting dogpiled or being overly downvoted. Your comment is silly and whiny.

                          [–]NickTheNewbie 0 points1 point ago

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                          Probably the only thread in the history of reddit where that has every happened.

                          [–]nerdhappy 53 points54 points ago

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                          It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

                          Voltaire (1694-1778)

                          [–]styguy 29 points30 points ago

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                          It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.*

                          [–]Ganoes 1 point2 points ago

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                          Established men. I like that.

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                            [–]ArcadeCrunch 25 points26 points ago

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                            "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."

                            It's not JUST about government, it's about any authoritative power.

                            [–]frunknor 13 points14 points ago

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                            "It's frustrating to have opinions when everyone else has shitty opinions."

                            -Reddit-

                            [–]Skitrel 4 points5 points ago

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                            "We are the epitomy of pretentiousness"

                            -Reddit-

                            [–]monkeyversusrobot 11 points12 points ago

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                            epitome

                            Don't mind me; just proving you right.

                            [–]Skitrel 2 points3 points ago

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                            I knew someone would take the bait. At least you had the foresight to see what I was doing, expected a sincere grammar nazi attack.

                            Yes, I'm also aware of how pretentious I am in my accusation of pretentiousness against redditors, it's a circular trap.

                            [–]anonposter 1 point2 points ago

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                            You conniving bastard!

                            Needless to say, upboated.

                            [–]Skitrel 0 points1 point ago

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                            Why did you say it then?

                            /pretentious redditor

                            [–]frunknor 1 point2 points ago

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                            "We need better hobbies."

                            -Reddit-

                            [–]Mulsanne 0 points1 point ago

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                            I see you've never been over to meta filter.

                            [–]jabi1187 21 points22 points ago

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                            "Fuck this gay earth" - Voltaire

                            [–]Strider96 3 points4 points ago

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                            That was Carl Sagan bitch!

                            [–]Mundilfari 13 points14 points ago

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                            It is dangerous to go alone! Take this.

                            [–]vth0mas 1 point2 points ago

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                            "Weak Potion of Healing added"

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                              [–]thechevs 5 points6 points ago

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                              And the reverse?

                              [–]Manthem 12 points13 points ago

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                              Wrong is government the when right be to dangerous it's.

                              I'm not following.

                              [–]UbiDubiumIbiLibertas 3 points4 points ago

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                              Wrong is government the when right be to dangerous it is

                              Yoda?

                              [–]DownvoteJedi 21 points22 points ago

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                              Police brutality in almost all first world countries is exceedingly rare and almost always met with a large public response. People just like to bitch and feel oppressed, though few ever actually are.

                              [–][deleted] 57 points58 points ago

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                              All of the upper-middle class white kids on reddit really have it rough.

                              [–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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                              Have to assuage that white guilt somehow, you know.

                              [–]throwaway4u33 3 points4 points ago

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                              Replace 'The Government' with 'your boss'

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                              [–]theghostofme 0 points1 point ago

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                              So was the artist of this picture.

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                                [–]steezdoug 3 points4 points ago

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                                But they won't let us skateboard in front of the mall! Fucking facists.

                                [–]anonposter 5 points6 points ago

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                                relevent subreddit is relevent

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                                  [–]s_i_leigh 5 points6 points ago

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                                  its dangerous to be right when you go about being right the wrong way.

                                  Ftfy

                                  [–]thetaprime 8 points9 points ago

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                                  These events overall are pretty few and far between. The problem is the fear-mongering media. Certainly these acts are wrong. Everyone knows that. It's the media that is nearly as irresponsible in over blowing these incidents and not reporting follow ups on these stories which about half of the time end in officers being dismissed or punished accordingly.

                                  [–]DavenIII 28 points29 points ago*

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                                  It's not so much Police Brutality as it is that many people in America at least, believe that they can say/do whatever they want while being questioned by the cops, I've done my fair share of bad things....but when you do get caught....you need to act a certain way when conversing with the cop, you have to understand....they don't know you, they don't know if your dangerous, all they know is that you've done something wrong and they need to do their job...so when you start flailing about and acting threateningly towards them, even though "YOU" know you aren't really going to harm them...they don't know that and in there line of work...being too cautious is a survival mechanism...if that means forcing you to the ground because you were flailing around and babbling threats....then so be it, it's more your fault then theirs.

                                  [–]KingPharaoh 39 points40 points ago

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                                  Redditors you complain that Glen Beck brainwashes his audience but you get brainwashed right here. It's funny.

                                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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                                  ... That picture is a little hot.

                                  [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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                                  The image is from this video

                                  [–]superbadidea 3 points4 points ago

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                                  I'm an American and I've seen an unarmed mentally ill man tased repeatedly and pepper sprayed by the police. He was not being violent but rather he was refusing to speak to the officers. The man is a veteran of the Vietnam war.

                                  I've seen a friend get kicked in the face by a cop while he was on the ground handcuffed. Mistaken identity.

                                  After the columbine shooting my high school decided it would be a good idea to have a cop inside the school at all times. Half the girls in the school had to complain about his inappropriate sexual comments before he was replaced.

                                  Before I met my girlfriend, when she was fifteen, she was picked up for being out past curfew. One of the officers pinned her against the car and groped her chest and felt up her skirt while the other cop watched.

                                  I see the videos and stories of police brutality/corruption on reddit and elsewhere and it really doesn't seem isolated but rather systemic and very much in line with my own experiences.

                                  [–]Imadeadman 14 points15 points ago

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                                  Exactly! I hope rioters riot here in NYC and the Cops shower them with kisses and water balloons.

                                  [–]lackingsaint 61 points62 points ago

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                                  This is literally the worst aspect of the Reddit Hivemind, perpetuating propogandic Anti-Police shit like this.

                                  [–]truedemocracy 18 points19 points ago

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                                  the anti-american mentality gets under my skin too. I'm a liberal but seriously COME ON

                                  [–]TigerTrap -4 points-3 points ago

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                                  Reddit is hardly anti-American. The community oft points out flaws in American society and government, but that's hardly being anti-American. I see this flung around a lot and it's just not true.

                                  [–]truedemocracy 3 points4 points ago

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                                  no reddit is anti-American. Enough that bull shit posts get to the top of r/politics on a weekly basis.

                                  There is nothing wrong with pointing out the flaws of a country but when people say we should have a nonviolent, or even violent, revolution and IT GETS TO THE FRONT PAGE I can only chuckle.

                                  [–]theghostofme 1 point2 points ago

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                                  Worry not, though. It's slacktivism at its finest. Reddit will be the first to claim the world needs to change, but will be the last to do anything about it.

                                  [–]truedemocracy 0 points1 point ago

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                                  mainly because those calling for it are 19 year olds looking for something to do with their summer vacation.

                                  [–]selake 2 points3 points ago

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                                  As someone who grew up in a policing family, it's painful for me to see.

                                  [–]Beastddude 7 points8 points ago

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                                  It's not anti-police. It's anti-shitty-police.

                                  [–]zippe 10 points11 points ago

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                                  According to the hivemind, they're one and the same.

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                                    [–]UTDoctor 4 points5 points ago

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                                    -Voltaire

                                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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                                    I am always right. Everyone else is wrong. Everyone should listen to me.

                                    [–]sweettuse 4 points5 points ago

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                                    agreed. they're not even required to know the laws they're paid to enforce! assholes.

                                    check out radley balko at http://www.theagitator.com/. one of the biggest issues he covers is the ridiculous militarization of our police forces. just check out maricopa county.

                                    [–]Mammoth_Jones 3 points4 points ago

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                                    I see a few dozen cops everyday on my way to and from work. I've never personally had a problem. Then again, I try my best NOT to come off as a smug person when dealing with them.

                                    I dunno. I'd like to think if people knew how to deal with cops it wouldn't be an issue. But then I see people getting beat/arrested/having guns drawn on them because they recorded cops with a camera.

                                    All I know is that while I know my rights, if a cop decides to detain me...I can't just decide it's not valid and walk away or resist.

                                    [–]Demos181 1 point2 points ago

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                                    And people getting arrested or beat because they are recording cops is downright wrong.

                                    I've put it to myself to record cops when I'm around them and there's a chance anything going down.

                                    I've also started doing it when I get pulled over (which is a lot, since I, a white male, have a old Cadillac > >) so it's only a matter of time until a cop gets pissy with my camera. But they can suck it, honestly.

                                    [–]Moh7 0 points1 point ago

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                                    I dont understand what having a cadillac has anything to do with you getting stopped.

                                    If your getting pulled over alot then it means there something wrong with you, I can tell by your post that you think your above the law, your not taping the cops because your afraid of your rights being infringed upon, your recording them so you can have your 2 hours of reddit fame once a cop actually does something.

                                    You have a horrible attitude and its people like you that encourage cops to go too far.

                                    [–]Demos181 0 points1 point ago

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                                    My 96' Cadillac is a stereotypical Black vehicle, that's why.

                                    And I'm not above the law, just above moronic thoughts and decisions.

                                    [–]ssyn 3 points4 points ago

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                                    Some people might find the origin of that image interesting. I don't have a link but the video is on youtube, it's a ~15 year old kid being floored by the officer for skateboarding in a public place.

                                    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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                                    I am not a criminal and have never experienced police "brutality"

                                    Isn't that interesting

                                    [–]Moh7 2 points3 points ago

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                                    wow.. i bet your like 99.99999% of redditors!

                                    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago*

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                                    That's the of poster I'd see in a 13 year old's room. I'm starting to fear the average age on reddit is getting there.

                                    [–]st00pid_reddit 9 points10 points ago

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                                    Uh oh! Here comes the cop hating teenage scumbags aka the hivemind! Watch as they rally their pitchforks and torches quickly to combat police brutality while turning around and generalizing a whole profession! How swift they are! How utterly retarded they are!

                                    [–]DiploMatt 1 point2 points ago

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                                    It's dangerous to be slow and opinionated...

                                    [–]Cacafuego 1 point2 points ago

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                                    A facile call to inaction.

                                    [–]Origamimouse 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Welcome to my Sim City

                                    [–]Giacomand 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Why did I try to tilt my head in different directions to try and spot a hidden/moral message?

                                    [–]EddieFender 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Most police are just people trying to help out. But even one corrupt officer is too many. A corrupt police department/military is the most terrifying thing in the world to someone who appreciates civil liberties.

                                    [–]UnDire 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Truth, when it does not reflect the Party Line is always persecuted by those in control.

                                    [–]MPR1138 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Pointless trivia: Our local police HQ has a bronze statue out front. It's supposed to be of one officer helping a fallen comrade, but from the street it looks remarkably similar to the scene depicted here...

                                    [–]drhilarious 1 point2 points ago

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                                    I think people here are misunderstanding this image as one depicting police brutality. It is not. It is stating that attempting to do the right thing can get you in trouble due to the government deciding that it is wrong.

                                    Also, does it look to anyone else that the person lying on the floor is caressing that shoulder sweetly?

                                    [–]Honey1943 1 point2 points ago

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                                    very true

                                    [–]TopperDuckHarley 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Yes 1000 times over

                                    [–]Anonymousish 1 point2 points ago

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                                    The original photograph is of a policeman choking a young skater. For skating.

                                    [–]truedemocracy 5 points6 points ago

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                                    AMERICA IS AWFUL AND A POLICE STATE!

                                    [–]Fluxbios 3 points4 points ago

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                                    Just because it's your right doesn't mean it's right.

                                    [–]MisterPooPoo 3 points4 points ago

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                                    It's dangerous to confuse local law enforcement with the federal government.

                                    [–]Racemic 2 points3 points ago

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                                    It's dangerous to be left when the government is right

                                    [–]blowback 1 point2 points ago*

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                                    In the United States, if you haven't seen or experienced police brutality or abuse of power, you live in a fucking bubble.

                                    [–]OriginalZombie 2 points3 points ago

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                                    It's also dangerous to be wrong when the government is right. I think basically, it's just dangerous to be at odds with government, regardless of the situation.

                                    [–]lupuswonderboy 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Why is right capitalized?

                                    [–]ThePigs 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Move along, nothing to see here.

                                    [–]tooface 1 point2 points ago

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                                    i thought this was one of those lamp shade images where exposure to nudity and stuff makes you see a woman instead.

                                    i kept looking for the naked lady. no naked lady.

                                    [–]Geehadd 1 point2 points ago

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                                    This is the kid who got beat by the cop on go skate day. piece of shit hit a 16 year old girl too.

                                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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                                    A lot of people here seem to think that police are the issue. I have trouble blaming the police because they serve a purely mechanical role; I would just as reasonably blame a handgun for a murder.

                                    To quote Thoureau:

                                    "The mass of men serve the State thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw, or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs."

                                    The police are not our oppressors, they are their weapons.

                                    EDIT: formatting

                                    [–]chazysciota 2 points3 points ago

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                                    That part of "Civil Disobedience" floored me when I first read it in 9th grade or whenever. It was probably the most openly subversive thing I'd read at the time, and I must have re-read that paragraph a dozen times. I'm amazed that it was in the curriculum, to be honest.

                                    Is Thoreau still taught in public schools? How could someone read that and then go to work at the TSA?

                                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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                                    not sure, I have very little experience in public schooling. I imagine it would only be taught in America though, I hadn't really heard of him in Canada until (true story) I saw an excerpt on an album cover.

                                    [–]frogstomp427 1 point2 points ago

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                                    I'm tired of seeing the large amount of posts on Reddit detailing discontent with police and how they do their jobs. This post is one of the worst. Of course issues of police brutality need to be addressed and made visible. There are few greater crimes than abuse at the hands of the protectors. Still, I feel the sentiment towards police officers on here is often malicious and mistrustful for reasons which our often out of context and more often out of proportion.

                                    [–]Zeppelanoid 0 points1 point ago

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                                    Love living in a non-police brutality state. Cops are nice!

                                    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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                                    They generally are in the States, too. Maybe not so much when you're a high school aged Internet anarchist who shouts "fuck the pigs" at every cop car you pass on the way from your mom's house to Jamba Juice.

                                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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                                    i shout "fuck the pigs"...as I walk to starbucks to pick up a double skim half latte half something carmel mocha with femislim™ for my girl and her black yoga spandex.

                                    [–]Kutchyx 3 points4 points ago

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                                    especially if you are of a different color or race.

                                    [–]angelmusikal 1 point2 points ago

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                                    Or live in a "lower class" neighborhood.

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                                      [–]McMurry 0 points1 point ago

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                                      It dangerous to be unarmed when the government is wrong.

                                      [–]Lokehue 5 points6 points ago

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                                      Cause pulling a gun on a cop will be less dangerous?

                                      [–]sacrilegious 3 points4 points ago

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                                      Yeah. Take up arms against the government. BRILLIANT

                                      [–]McMurry 1 point2 points ago

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                                      Ah yes, what was I thinking, certainly no precedence for such thoughts...

                                      [–]Dubzil -2 points-1 points ago*

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                                      Take this, print to 11x17 sheet, laminate, cut out black area, use as stencil to paint the town

                                      [–]paradoksikal 8 points9 points ago

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                                      If only I cared enough and had the energy to do something like this. I think I speak for most Redditors (and Americans) when I say I'll just continue to upvote these things until I personally become a victim of such behavior. Then I'll act all indignant when it seems like nobody is willing to do anything to stop it.

                                      [–]ThatsALogicalFallacy 1 point2 points ago

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                                      Idunno, some of us simply view these posts as the result of confirmation bias and ignore them.

                                      [–]Ekorn 3 points4 points ago

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                                      Sounds like a great idea. Until you actually do it and people get annoyed because they don't want this on the side of their store/apartment/house/bus stops.

                                      This is the sort of pseudo-teenager rebellion which spray paints Che Guevara's face while wearing guy fawkes masks

                                      [–]andytuba 3 points4 points ago

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                                      Alternatively, xpost to r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, acquire karma.

                                      [–]Mutki 2 points3 points ago

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                                      How are you supposed to spray through the laminate?

                                      [–]Dubzil 0 points1 point ago

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                                      hah, my bad, fixed

                                      [–]Moh7 1 point2 points ago

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                                      Step 2: get stopped by cops.

                                      Step 3: Think about how awesome you are standing up to authority

                                      Step 3 (reality): Cry and beg for mercy while they give you a ticket.

                                      [–]Tarman83 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Help! I'm being repressed! http://youtu.be/GS_1bzaj2fw?t=2m3s

                                      [–]Katnipz 0 points1 point ago

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                                      FYI this is a stencil

                                      [–]Inanna26 0 points1 point ago

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                                      I actually had a really interesting conversation about this recently. Basically, the morality of the government represents the prevailing morality of the culture it embodies. If the morality of the culture changes, the morality of the government will eventually change with it, but slowly to avoid mob mentality. If you hold a different morality, that's ok, and you're within your right to oppose the morality of the greater, but you must be willing to suffer the consequences.

                                      [–]neptath 0 points1 point ago

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                                      First, this could have been a self-post, although the police uniform adds to the post. Second, It's dangerous to be wrong when the government is right.

                                      [–]pencildiet 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Can we get this in sticker mode?

                                      [–]youregullible 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Yeah, but the hand is on the other foot when you look at it upside-down.

                                      [–]Mustdropdeuce 0 points1 point ago

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                                      A purely black and white reality would be an unfortunate one indeed. Look at these two chaps in the picture, they've come to blows over it!

                                      [–]carrotv 0 points1 point ago

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                                      -Voltaire

                                      [–]iHuffy 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Album art...I think yes!

                                      [–]coldonreboot 0 points1 point ago

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                                      I can't upvote this enough.

                                      [–]T_Jefferson 0 points1 point ago

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                                      I brought this up elsewhere, but I think people should read this before drawing their conclusions.

                                      [–]pjs723 0 points1 point ago

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                                      tsk tsk i dont see much police brutality but i know there are people out there who take advantage of the power they are given

                                      [–]EvoEpitaph 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Yet if you keep your mouth shut and go along with it you still can live a fairly comfortable life.

                                      Which is why such an unfortunate reality will never change.

                                      [–]Avid-Lurker 0 points1 point ago

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                                      Seriously Reddit, shut the fuck up.

                                      [–]Todomanna 0 points1 point ago

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                                      The government isn't wrong, it's a non-entity that is merely an empty shell filled with people. People that we keep voting into office.

                                      Stop bitching about how "The Government" is keeping you down and make a difference.

                                      [–]EmuPhotography 1 point2 points ago

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                                      image is from this video

                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFUpa0OwlyU

                                      unfortunately officer Joey Williams was cleared of all charges

                                      [–]lumpy1981 -2 points-1 points ago

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                                      I'll give you that that was excessive force, but in fairness to the cops that kid was probably being a punk.

                                      [–]T_Jefferson 0 points1 point ago

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                                      In fairness to the skateboarder, that's not fucking illegal. If anything, that just makes it worse because the police are exercising prejudice because of people they simply don't like.

                                      [–]lumpy1981 6 points7 points ago

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                                      Skateboarding where he was actually is illegal. Running from the police and acting like a douche is at the least going to make them less inclined to let you off with a warning.

                                      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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                                      This would make an awesome t-shirt.

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