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Fuck everything about this. (26.media.tumblr.com)
submitted 1 year ago by soweallgrow
[–]skselby 404 points405 points406 points 1 year ago
If you're gonna steal, do it with a pen and not a gun.
[–]hitlersshit 455 points456 points457 points 1 year ago
And while you're at it, don't be a black homeless man.
[–]WinOneForTheGiffer 142 points143 points144 points 1 year ago
Watch your words
[–]fairestcheetah 58 points59 points60 points 1 year ago
Does that loop subtly or is it really fucking long?
[–]sdubxoxo 372 points373 points374 points 1 year ago
It's about 5 minutes long. He blinks near the end.
[–]InspectorChallenge 108 points109 points110 points 1 year ago
You bastard.
[–]Arsene_Lupin 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
Troll master!
[–]Bodhinature 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Troll fucking master! He don't be tickling or nothing!
[–]webby_mc_webberson 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
YOU sir, are what makes the internet better!
[–]tieme 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
It's a short clip played to the end, then reversed and played to the beginning. It's kind of looped, but there is no detectable seam in the video.
[–]fairestcheetah 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Ah, that makes sense. It's like making a tessellation on the time axis.
[–]Atario 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
People are throwing about the word "tessellate" way too easily around here.
[–]LiveMethod 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
No idea why you're being downvoted, I believe this is correct.
[–]CSFFlame 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
yes
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
You can tell how long a gif is by how long it takes to load.
You can read all about it in my book.
[–]barrelsofmooney 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king.
[–]Silent_Storm 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
In Soviet Russia, bank robs you!
...Oh wait, that's America.
[–]Uncle_Sammy 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
...And make sure you can afford a good lawyer.
[–]DefiantDragon 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Make sure you own the judge.
[–]HungoverOwl 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
What about the mythical pen gun?
[–]DashingLeech 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
You mean this thing? What about it?
[–]Trumpetjock 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What do you call a penguin with a missing eye?
[–]tekkenjam 46 points47 points48 points 1 year ago
Dont steal, Government hates competition.
-A placard on Ron Pauls desk.
[–]dblagbro 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
Neither man had used a gun. If you're gonna steal, don't be black.
[–]ratedsar 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
One man suggested that he did.
[–]baklazhan 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
According to the article, there's no indication that he actually had a gun.
Oh well...
[–]sealtron 1225 points1226 points1227 points 1 year ago*
This is highly misleading.
Lee B. Farkas was the "mastermind", not the CEO. The CEO also cooperated with the government against Farkas.
Farkas is expected to get LIFE IN PRISON.
sources - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/business/22norris.html http://www.loansafe.org/former-taylor-bean-whitaker-ceo-sentenced-to-40-months-prison-for-fraud
EDIT - Oh, and according to his plea agreement the CEO has to forfeit everything he gained from the fraud. The feds are also seeking 30.7million from Farkas.
sources - http://www.justice.gov/criminal/vns/docs/2011/apr/04-04-11allen-plea.pdf http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2011/06/01/feds-seek-30-7-million-from-farkas/?mod=google_news_blog
[–]uncletroll 244 points245 points246 points 1 year ago
The homeless man also cooperated with police and forfeit everything he gained from the robbery.
[–]Sweddy 63 points64 points65 points 1 year ago
Which was one hundred dollars.
[–]cyberdynesystems311 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
I totally read this is Dr. Evil's voice.
[–]PipeAndScotch 85 points86 points87 points 1 year ago
BUT...he also threatened the bank teller with violence. Violent crimes carry much longer sentences than non-violent crimes.
[–]bieru043 104 points105 points106 points 1 year ago
Fraud that leads to mortgage foreclosures, collapsed pensions, and unemployment from a needlessly collapsed credit market is merely a slow, faceless violence against the homeless families, bankrupt retirees, and starving jobless.
[–]not_worth_your_time 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago
What you described isn't violence.
[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 98 points99 points100 points 1 year ago
You're right. It's worse.
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 1 year ago
Yeah, violence becomes a meaningless word when every bad thing that you can do to someone becomes violence.
[–]hahayouidiot 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
Dude stop committing truth violence on us.
[–]elmer_the_arse 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
to paraphrase stalin: you kill one man it's murder, kill a million and it becomes a statistic
ps google is bloody good. I'm amazed daily by its capacity to read my mind…
[–][deleted] 62 points63 points64 points 1 year ago*
well, mastermind or not, the CEO's part " eventually grew to become the largest part of the fraud."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jDicS3RORnxvpz6gGB0jmrbBotTA?docId=7c25a94d5bb644a1b9ae2af47363519d
EDIT Even if Allen's part was equal to 1 percent of the 3 billion scheme, justice was still not equitable.
[–]wrck 363 points364 points365 points 1 year ago
The homeless guy also pretended to have a gun, which would still have counted as armed robbery in the eyes of the law. The fact he only stole $100 was irrelevant.
[–]TCKLDPNK 143 points144 points145 points 1 year ago
Came here to say this. In Louisiana when you commit a robbery and lead the victim to believe you have a gun, that's first degree robbery. He could've gotten between 3 and 40 years. Still, it would've been nice for the judge to give him closer to 3 given the circumstances.
[–]lulzwut 114 points115 points116 points 1 year ago*
That's the downside of strict law, things are judged on what's basically a technicality; more so than morality. The guy shows evidence of remorse and didn't intend to hurt anyone, but alas it has to be considered irrelevant. He doesn't deserve that much time, in my opinion.
[–]Bluelegs 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Agreed, the guy was homeless so it's not like he could afford a decent lawyer anyway.
[–]Physics101 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Yeah, because the amount of money you have is directly proportional to your rights.
[–]EbolaPie 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Sadly, that's actually true in America right now.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
Do you really need a decent lawyer to get you a minimum sentence for stealing $100 and turning yourself in, or just a lawyer who isn't actively trying to lynch you?
[–]cos1ne 92 points93 points94 points 1 year ago
This is why in America we have a LEGAL system not a JUSTICE system.
[–]MooseEatsBear 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Doesn't a justice system make more sense?
[–]PickMeMrKotter 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
You would like this book: The Death of Common Sense: How Law is Suffocating America
[–]leshiy 44 points45 points46 points 1 year ago
I disagree with your premise. This is the downside of lax laws which give the judge freedom to pick the punishment as he sees fit within a very loose bound (3 to 40 years). If the law was more technical (e.g. suspect in dire financial situation, remorseful, did not use actual weapon in mock armed robbery - 3 to 5 years) this would not happen. The 3 to 40 years is the part that gives the judge the ability to judge on morality - clearly he is unable or unwilling to do so (or what is more likely his sense of morality is not favorable from our point of view: e.g. black homeless guy = menace to society by definition).
[–]raskolnik 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
The problem with this is that you can't legislate every possible set of circumstances ever. This is (part of, at least) why we have judges to begin with. If you legislate some, but not all, possible outcomes and then strip judges of any discretion, you end up with things like the mandatory minimums for drug crimes.
The judge made a poor decision, without question, but the solution isn't what you're suggesting.
[–]moothemagiccow 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
And the result is that remorseful mock armed robberies become more popular. Microlegislating is not going to save anyone.
[–]homerjaythompson 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
I'd really rather someone lead me to believe they have a gun rather than actually have a gun.
[–]sexlexia_survivor 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Either way, it strikes deadly fear in people's hearts, which causes irrational thought, which often leads to serious injuries. (There was a study on toy guns v real guns and found the fatalities and injuries almost the same- even more interesting, cops have accidently killed people-including children- thinking a toy gun (or another object) was a real gun, almost as much as they have killed people with an actual real gun.)
[–]Trisomic 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
Yes, in a legal sense you're absolutely right. What makes this disturbing to me is not that the judge acted outside the law in sentencing, but that our legal system can make the circumstances of a crime so irrelevant.
[–]Area206 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
What is relevant is that he returned the money and turned himself in. He regretted doing it and tried to atone for it. Yes, he is guilty of armed robbery. Yes the dollar amount doesn't matter. What is also relevant is that he does not seem to be a danger to society. What purpose would it serve to lock him up for 15 years? Who does that benefit?
What I could find about armed robbery in Louisiana was that the maximum sentence is "ninety nine years" (don't worry, at least it's not 100) and the minimum sentence is ten.
http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78597
[–]summer-afternoon 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
punishment should be proportional to the severity of a crime
[–]pdatsyuk 44 points45 points46 points 1 year ago
I'm going to take you through a little thought exercise here at the end of which I hope you realize that if you have an idea you think is brilliant and simple, people smarter than you have already considered it and it is not used for a good reason.
If it is intent, then you run into the problem of how do you know someone's mind? It is incredibly difficult to discern. And what if the intent was, "I'm going to kill this guy by blowing up his house" and it turns out, he was having a party that night and you killed 50 people. Well then, he should definitely be punished for that.
The law will never be perfect because we have a bajillion different possible scenarios, all of which have played out. Some are ridiculous. If you can afford it I suggest going to law school so you can take all the required first year classes and see some of the stupid shit that happens in contracts, civil procedure, crim, property, constitutional law.
And if we give judges too much discretion, then you will inevitably get cries of discrimination, too much leniency for X and not enough for Y, unjust results that are determined by how an individual judge is feeling that day. We want fair and just and equitable results. But that means being unable to, perhaps, go on a case by case basis.
TL:DR; you didn't think long and hard enough about the issue and issued a bumper sticker solution. Life is more complicated than that I'm afraid. What happened to the guy above sucks, but it's not the norm. I work at a DA's office and I can tell you first hand, there is a great deal of understanding and leniency from the DA's, the cops, and the judges.
[–]nino999999 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Huh. Sounds like the homeless guy cooperated as well, no?
Did the CEO voluntarily turn himself in? Isn't the usual pattern something like: You get caught and then the first guy to cut a deal and throw his buddies in front of the bus gets sweet sentencing. I doubtful that "doing the right thing" had much to do with the cooperation of a CEO who had benefited to the tune of $30 million. Doing a sweet deal with prosecutors when you've been caught dead-to-rights isn't quite the same as walking into the station and turning yourself in.
The pretend gun is the deal-breaker, obviously.
[–]SKRules 108 points109 points110 points 1 year ago
Thank you, good sir. In true /r/politics tradition, this comment debunking and showing how sensationalist the post is should be #1 soon.
In case anyone wanted the relevant quote, it's in the NYTimes piece:
Mr. Farkas was sent to jail and is awaiting a sentence that is almost certain to leave him imprisoned for life.
[–]CAredditBoss 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
Is it the posters fault or the way media writes these articles?
[–]SKRules 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
It's the poster's fault for either not doing due diligence when preparing to make his claims, or intentionally making a false equivalence to gain karma, and/or foster hatred of the U.S. judicial system.
[–]koviko 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
He's already got his karma.
Mission: Accomplished.
[–]JumpinJackHTML5 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Lessen to learn, always have an accomplice you can blame, and cut a deal the moment you get caught.
[–]ksizzle1016 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
Top politics thread is misleading? Who would've guessed...
[–]Magoran 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This has also been around for a long time, the "businessman" getting away with almost nothing changes from time to time, though.
[–]tatch 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
It may be misleading, it's still not right. The amounts of money involved differ by a factor of 30,000,000.
[–]Tenchiro 301 points302 points303 points 1 year ago
We have the best legal system that money can buy.
[–]HungoverOwl 40 points41 points42 points 1 year ago
This makes sense seeing as how we have no money
[–]rubb3r 54 points55 points56 points 1 year ago
whoosh
[–]HungoverOwl 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
My apologies; I've been told by many that I am quite awful with sarcasm and I'm sure it is amplified seeing as how it is solely through words.
[–]fairestcheetah 56 points57 points58 points 1 year ago
No worries; I can't understand sarcasm either when I'm hungover. Or when I'm an owl.
[–]gwhandle 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
That's very fair of you. Any other cheetah would have just eaten him.
[–]A_Rolling_Baneling 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
That's a smart observation, impressive considering you're a door handle at Games Workshop.
[–]gwhandle 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Very quick response time, especially considering you're on the move and aren't even a proper Bane.
[–]padmadfan 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Sounds like you've got a good grip on things.
[–]emoriginal 45 points46 points47 points 1 year ago
Yep, steal $100 and get 15 years or kill a public transit rider in front of hundreds of other people and get a little over a year in jail.
[–]Stop_Sign 158 points159 points160 points 1 year ago
Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.
Rich people are just more equal
[–]joshdick 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
-- Anatole France.
[–]xen0cide 90 points91 points92 points 1 year ago
I think we're cakequal.
[–]kewlfocus 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Happy Berfday you mother fucking stop sign!
[–]ratjea 56 points57 points58 points 1 year ago*
The 40-month sentence for Paul R. Allen, 55, of Oakton, Va., is slightly less than the six-year term sought by federal prosecutors.
The AP fails math. 40 months is only slightly more than half of six years. Three years four months to be exact. This is why we can't have nice things.
White collar crime = pays.
Edit: For the slow among us: six years is 72 months. If you want to consider 40 months "slightly less" than that that's fine. I consider it a bit more than half.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I had to read that twice to understand what they were trying to say. It is saying the 40 month sentence is slightly less than the six year term which was sought by the prosecution.
Although I wouldn't consider close to half, "slightly less".
[–]FragileIdeals 142 points143 points144 points 1 year ago
Hey, now he has a place to sleep a full belly everyday.
[–]Magicbananas 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
and free detox
[–]scubaguybill 64 points65 points66 points 1 year ago
You seem to be vastly underestimating the supply of drugs flowing through the American prison system.
[–]reddon 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
It's pretty clear this is what's going on here.
[–]hilldex 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Yeah and taxpayers are bankrolling it. Stupid. Helping the dude out & giving him a job would be cheaper than 15 years in a fucking prison. >:(
[–]muzza001 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
now he is going to cost the american people $90,000 a year right? It's a good and bad thing. (Aussie here)
[–]mayclogthetoilet 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Ya, this story feels eerily similar to that poor gentlemen who stole a dollar and waited for the cops, because he needed some care for his back and legs. Although, I would imagine he wasn't expecting fifteen years.
[–]pikk 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
I hear prison is for poor people
[–]frobischer 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Slavery is illegal so just arrest all the black people and make them work while in prison. >:(
[–]double1 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Priors?
[–]markskull 97 points98 points99 points 1 year ago
...I read about what the guy did, and for the first time ever, I cried over something I've read here.
The guy goes into the bank, is given a ton of cash, and he returns all but $100. Not only that, but then he feels terrible about what he did, turns himself in, and even tells his own mom about what he did.
Then he got 15 years in prison.
Unless he asked for it for the health care and food... fuck everything about this. This shouldn't happen in this country. It should happen to fucking scumbags, not someone who at least TRY'S to be a decent person!!!!!
[–]Rivent 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
I think you mis-read that. He didn't tell his mother. He told the police that his mom didn't raise him to steal.
Your point remains an entirely valid one, however. Just wanted to point that out.
[–]Izlandi 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
*tries. Sorry, it had to be done. Still agree with you however!
[–]smallchanges 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
I remember seeing this awhile back, the main reasoning behind this is that the rich criminals can afford great lawyers who inundate the prosecutor with paperwork thereby extending the trial indefinitely. Instead of going through all the paperwork, the prosecutor will settle for a extremely shortened sentence. The poor criminal will get a public defender who is usually overwhelmed with cases and will take any plea bargain they can get.
[–]faggotoni 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
It makes it so much worse that he turned himself in. A guy did something wrong, felt bad about it and turned himself in....FUCK YOU, WE'RE TAKING 15 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE AWAY FOR THIS 1 DAY THAT YOU DEPRIVED US OF THAT HUNDO.
[–]WinterAyars 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago
As if by coincidence, the laws serve serve the wealthy and powerful while oppressing the weak.
It's like that old saying about how the law forbids both rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges. (Except, in this case, it kind of doesn't...)
[–]Horatio_Hornblower 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Lesson learned: just beat and kill a rich white banker and take his money, because he doesn't give a shit if you starve and he'll take your life away without hesitation.
[–]BolshevikMuppet 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Dear Reddit,
I know it's fun to see injustice and say "yep, that's injustice", but get off your asses and do something about it. Go down to the PD's office and tell them they're doing a necessary function, and you appreciate them even when they have to defend bad people. Donate to legal funds. Give money to the homeless, even if you're thinking "yeah, he's not a vet." Write to your congresspeople, your senators. Run for local office, statewide office.
Don't just sit on your computer and say "I want to leave this country, it's so awful". Fix it.
[–]NastyBrutishAndTall 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
This makes my heart hurt.
[–]Zifnab25 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
"Look at me, I'm tough on crime!"
:-p Someone was running for reelection.
[–]bbovie 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
poor guy
[–]Mastadave2999 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
We imprison 25% of the prisoners worldwide in this country. The fact that "justice is blind" is the biggest fake-ass argument to continue to fund the big business that is the privately run prisons.
I agree OP - seriously fucked as can be. This makes me sick.
[–]Gradeskee 70 points71 points72 points 1 year ago
This is what an oligarchy looks like, if anyone is curious.
[–]NigWantsKFC 112 points113 points114 points 1 year ago
Wow thanks. I was just sitting here wondering what an oligarchy looks like.
[–]lifeformed 71 points72 points73 points 1 year ago*
I'm currently playing Pictionary and my word to draw is 'oligarchy'. THANKS
[–]PericlesATX 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I think the word you're looking for is plutocracy.
[–]probablyabadperson 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Happens every day... going to happen again tomorrow.
It sucks... but based on the lack of action taken in the thousands of previous similar incidents, what makes you think it is ever going to change?
[–]Hawanja 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
You know what folks? It's still bullshit. The judge should have gave this guy a slap on the wrist, instead he got 15 years. Something is not right here.
And all you people on here saying "His life will be better in prison than on the streets," that is also bullshit.
[–]RedMage23 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
And Paul Allen. I killed Paul Allen. With an axe. In the face.
[–]tartale 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Haha, you are a riot, I saw Paul Allen last week in Europe.
[–]kryonik 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
I don't want to live here anymore.
[–]Dirkpitt 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I'm on a boat.
[–]Earthling-2822 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
I've told this to a few of my friends- it's astounding how many "WELL THEN JUST LEAVE YOU WON'T FIND A BETTER COUNTRY ANYWHERE" responses I get. I point out the glaring hypocrisies taking place these days, and still, I can't get through.
I need new friends, and I need a new country.
[–]apester 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
My answer is usually if one of these (usually list a dozen or so) will take me I'd be happy to go but i'd rather see my own country get back on track. I guess its easier to just live in blind denial than to admit things are astray and work to fix them. The problems aren't insurmountable, but its going to take a lot of work and people have to set aside the brainwash like mantras of old and really look around them. America was founded on the great principals unfortunately we have abandoned many of them and have different interests trying to reinterpret others.
[–]21Grams 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
That's so upsetting. He even felt bad and turned himself in. What the fuck America.
There's usually more going on than meets the eye. He probably has a long history of crime and this was taken into consideration. He was probably at a halfway house after his detox and was trying to be honest, as is part of the 12 step process.
My guess is he refused a plea deal and stupidly declared himself guilty. Given a long criminal history and a guilty plea...there's not much the Judge will do for you.
Lastly, he'll probably be eligible for parole in 5 1/2 years. Maybe less with credit for time served.
[–]wolfsktaag 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
my guess is, the homeless guy was a repeat offender and got snared up in minimum sentencing rules
[–]briballdo 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Easiest way to rob a bank is to own one
[–]apotheosis247 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Welcome to 2009
[–]BeliefSuspended2008 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
13 redditors wanted to help him once. I wonder what happened.
[–]equeco 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I hope americans start warming their hearts. Its a really cold country.
[–]pistachioshell 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Our justice system is morally repulsive.
[–]TheBakedPotato 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Welcome to planet Earth. Everything is terrible.
[–]MrDumbass 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Let's be honest. This is Louisiana you're talking about. Those mother fuckers ARE mother fuckers. Literally. It is hill billy country. There are a lot of white people in that state that do not treat blacks as equals. I'm guessing the judge is some 60 year old mother fucker that came from old country family that are racists ass mother fuckers.
[–]syroncoda 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
welcome to "who's country is it anyway?" where everything goes to the rich and the votes don't matter.
[–]GokuDude 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Can someone do something about this please? I actually feel for this man, unless he wants to be in prison for shelter/food, what not..
[–]motherfuckingriot 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
people never understand why we have prisons. its so that someone will be rehabilitated and wont repeat the same offense. there is no going back and fixing what he did (even though he obviously tried by returning the money) I dont think he would commit this crime again, and thats the sole reason he doesnt belong in prison at all. 15 years, thats just insane.
[–]khast 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Silly redditors, prison is for poor people. If you are rich you can get away with murder. (See OJ)
Moral of the story, get rich and powerful and you become more powerful than the government that supposedly regulates you. (See Banks, oil companies)
[–]reallyfastbikerider 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
consider this: Private Prison Companies Want You Locked Up
[–]phadedlife 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Man robs bank. 15 years in prison. Bank robs man. Bank gets home, mans car, and all financial assets.
[–]Missingabroad 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I find it depressing when CEOs like Farkas, causes the poverty.
[–]hitman_pz 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Unnnnnnnfuckingggg believable, this is bullshit ! Sorry guys if I don't have anything insightful to say, but I'm just fucking blown away by this shit !
[–]Saither 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
America best care comes in cages.
[–]AxsDeny 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
From my (lawyer) cousin:
What screws the homeless guy over is that it was first degree robbery -- even though he didn't have a gun, the victim reasonably believed he did. So it had nothing to do with how much he took, but the method by which he took it. Robbery is just the taking of something of value, no matter how little. If he hadn't pretended he had a gun, he probably would have walked with probation. He faced up to 40 years for the crime, so he pled out to 15, which his lawyer apparently thought was better than feeding him to a jury. He's doubly screwed by his location -- if he committed a first-degree felony in PA instead of LA, his max sentence would have been 15, not 40, years.
As for the corporate fraud case, it could signal the start of downward trend in jail time for white collar criminals -- or it could just be an anomaly. After a change in sentencing guidelines and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in the early 2000s, judges were nailing white collar criminals with 25 to life. But over the past five or so years, the Supreme Court has held that those guidelines are actually advisory rather than mandatory. And God only knows what a judge is thinking when using his or her discretion in sentencing. If you find the story elsewhere, you'll see that Allen wasn't the mastermind of the scheme, he just happened to be the CEO of the company. It'll be interesting to see what the other guy gets at sentencing.
[–]metapunditedgy 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Every day, I become more ashamed of my country. (As a whole, not individuals living here.)
Would it be possible to put together a large montage of cases like this? (Just going through sentences for drug "dealers" should be powerful.) Could have an impact.
On edit: I picture a grid, with one axis being jail time and the other axis being amount of money involved. Then the points on the grid (each with a face and a name) could be color-coded by "industry": banking, drug-related, violent crime, political, corporate, etc.
[–]kingsway8605 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
It goes to show you the power of indoctrination and propaganda. Capitalism is the best system in the world and I pledge allegiance to it, right?
[–]agentxq49 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
Well, at least he has free health care and free food for the next 15 years.
[–]Sarria22 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Except apparently a lot of prisons are starting to charge you for the time you spend there, and pulling the room and board out of the money you make working in prison.
[–]BolshevikMuppet 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Not that I'm doubting it, but [Needs Citations]
[–]nevereven 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
You should read about where he is going and think if anyone would want to go there for any reason.
Of all American prisons, Angola has the largest number of inmates on life sentences in the United States. As of 2009 Angola had 3,712 inmates on life sentences, making up 74% of the population. Per year, 32 inmates die, while 4 are paroled during the same span of time. Louisiana's tough sentencing laws result in long sentences for the inmate population, which mostly consists of armed robbers, murderers, and rapists. In 1998 Peter Applebome of The New York Times said "It's impossible to visit the place and not feel that a prisoner could disappear off the face of the earth and no one would ever know or care."
Is anything worth 15 years of picking cotton?
[–]86thdj 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Seriously Fuck every last thing about this...
[–]rm7952 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
One thing to note, one was tried in Federal court, the other in state. I am in no way, shape or form saying this is right, but we're not comparing apples to apples here. These are two completely separate systems.
[–]tehjocker 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Hey idiot, how about you don't assume and believe everything you read? There's probably more to it than that.
[–]Superconducter 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Greed is still collapsing the entire country.
Neither of these men have contributed anything but more wreck and ruin. But I prefer that the rich bastard get the more severe punishment because he caused more harm. His actions made business much less efficient and therefore he lowered our ability to compete in the world. He is really , for that reason, guilty of treason.
Finance is a real weapon and I have been threatened with it for my entire life, not just a minute or two.
[–]bombula 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
How many of you would support the idea that sentencing for theft should scale with the amount stolen?
[–]rhott 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
two tiered justice system, if you're rich you get a golden ticket
[–]Bramsey89 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
But what about his Golden Voice?
[–]Rirruto 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This is fucking disgusting
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. - H. L. Mencken
[–]DoubtsandDoubts 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
How is this proportionate? In Australia that poor dude could expect, at most, a couple of months. I know this will be buried too deep but can someone explain how a (presumably) educated judge/jury/nation could possibly pass this shit down with a straight face?
[–]SiCOHfail 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I thought the bank bailouts were the biggest corporate fraud in US history...
[–]xoites 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
How many years do rich and famous people get for running down and killing people while intoxicated again?
[–]Namesi 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This country is just disgusting. What is a man in his position supose to do. Im sure he cant get a job, what do you expect a man to do when hes hungry. And he even turned himself in out of guilt. 15 years, thats bullshit. Yet this fat cat stole billions and got off on a lighter sentance.
[–]selectix 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
A guy walked into a bank last week and robbed them of $1. Turns out he was uninsured and couldn't get the mental health and medical assistance from the government, but as an inmate he is now fully covered.
Lesson: if you are uninsured, get arrested
[–]mr_negativity[] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I'm not surprised at all, our legal system operates outside of the realm of common sense and it is essentially skewed in favour of the wealthy.
You guys are just catching on about this? It was plain as day what was happening back in 2006 if you bothered to read the newspapers and dig a little bit.
[–]wRolf 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I love how everybody is going "he now has a new home" but doesn't realize he also now has a new butt hole and the rich guy has a bigger house when he comes out after 3 years and lots of women.
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the courts place a premium on the harshness of sentences in cases where there is violence, threatened or actual. its almost as if they place a higher regard on people not getting fucking shot than the amount stolen. what a fucking concept. madness i know...
[–]yamagami 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
America, you are bankrupt on every front. Morally, financially, socially...
[–]heiter 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
if he was white and homeless he would get away with 5 years. white with a home 3 years. racisim is still big in the US
[–]Guth 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
It seems almost as if the judge gave him 15 years because he knew that the homeless man would have a better time there than on the streets. Prison has free food, clothes, people to talk to, and free living quarters; all of these leading to a life much better off than he had had while homeless.
[–]SideScroller 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Obligatory: 40-Months.... Fuck That...
He should be forced into public slavery, spending the rest of his life penniless and working nonstop to make amends to all of the peoples lives he ruined.
[–]dookielumps 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
If this doesn't show how racist our country still is I don't know what else. White people downvote me NOW.
[–]Neon1986 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
This white person didn't downvote you.
[–]HumanTrollipede 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
He is getting punished for the apparent threat of harm he presented to the teller, not the $100 he stole. Robbery requires that there be a threat of physical harm.
[–]rasheemo 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Reddit needs to stop with these ridiculously stupid titles. Not only is it done to death and sensationalized, it doesn't say a thing about what the hell it is you are sharing.
[–]Wrym 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Won't load.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This is one of those posts I wish I could upvote more than once. Maybe a hundred times.
[–]Srt4tw 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
wtf....:/
[–]ThufirrHawat 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Welcome to Reddit! Please try to catch up! ;)
[–]Snufflesaur 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
And once again we're all guilty of armchair slacktivism. What the hell are we gonna do about this? We're all living too comfortably to start revolting.
[–]dontyouknow 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I'm going to rob Paul Allen.
Fuck justice, enough said.
Weep, that this is what we are.
[–]trycatchfinally 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Keep reading it gets worse.
[–]kylesaisgone 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This sort of thing depends entirely on the circumstance. Many states have a no-tolerance attitude towards petty crime after a certain amount of time. If the homeless guy has 'robbed' people a bunch of times, a judge might decide to lock him up for a while. I don't know the circumstances, but I highly doubt he got 15 years for $100. Prosecutors aren't that heartless.
[–]Gullyvuhr 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The system is so broken I don't even have a caustic joke to make highlighting it.
[–]steve7a8 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Life is like a shit sandwich the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat!
[–]DefiantDragon 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This is why vigilante justice is making a comeback.
[–]YummyMeatballs 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
15 years? Is anyone else skeptical about this? What would he have got if he had been caught rather than turned himself in and pleaded guilty?
I've looked online and while the story is floating around a bit, I haven't found a link that fills me with confidence. Perhaps one for snopes?
[–]homiewitdoubt 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
More money that you steal, the lesser sentence you get.
[–]petedacook 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The lesson here? White collar crime is where it is at.
[–]Fimoreth 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Well, prison isn't that bad. He gets food, a place to stay. If I were homeless and jobless, prison wouldn't be nearly so bad of an idea.
[–]decollo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I guess some people find waving a weapon in someone's face more offensive than sitting behind a desk.
[–]freebsd 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I guess robbery is more serious than nonviolent white collar fraud... I just can't figure out why.
[–]lifelessonswithjeff 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I downvoted you, not because I disagree with you, nor do I think you add nothing to the conversation. I solely want to teach you the valuable lesson that life is unfair.
[–]Mr-Nemo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Yea this post is pretty bad. nothing about prior history for either person. Nothing about if the robber used any violence while robbing.
this sucks
[–]dirkman 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This only serves to reinforce my viewpoint that everyone who seeks a position in the criminal justice system is an embittered individual who enjoys taking it out on other people
[–]Obi_Wana_Tokie 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I do not want to live on this planet anymore.
[–]KrunoS 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
what bullshit
[–]mindaika 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
TIL 3 years 4 months is "slightly less" than 6 years.
[–]ILIEKCHIKIN 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
the law is helping the real criminals
[–]shagetz 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
my grandmother caught me looting once, and sat me down for a serious talk.
"Honey, nobody respects a small-time crook. You want respect, you gotta pull off something big".
[–]Rhawk187 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Unless he was armed, 15 years is stiff for $100.
[–]tito184 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Complaining about it on the internet isn't going to do anything about it.
Re: homeless man
Cost to society before imprisonment: $100
Cost to society after imprisonment: $60,000/yr
[–]AgentJesus 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
In Canada, theft under a thousand dollars cannot get time in the pen :)
[–]The_sinking_anus 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Those with money and influence...
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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