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submitted 1 year ago by ubermensche242
[–]Stormkitty 306 points307 points308 points 1 year ago
How about instead of linking to a shitty comic stealing site, attribute to the proper artist
[–]kivios 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
Recognized this style instantly... I've followed Humon's art since 2005 :D
[–]yellowstone10 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Thought it looked like Scandinavia and the World...
[–]LiberalChristian 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I read that all the time; can't believe I didn't recognize the style here. I'm so ashamed...
[–]Jonno_FTW 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I followed this from when I saw it yesterday.
[–]Theon 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Anti-hipster?
[–]VWEEEEDUB 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
I've followed him home.
[–]NotWorthIt 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
her
[–]underattack86 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Well he definitely followed someone home.
[–]RJacksonm1 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
I'd trust the guy who followed him home, thanks.
[–]flaim 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
It's definitely a her, says so on her profile (top left).
[–]bobfried2k7 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Well that's conclusive.
It's on the internet, must be true. :P
(Not that I'm saying it isn't)
[–]lonewolfenstein 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Whoa cool guy
[–]tricolon 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Girl!
[–]flaim -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Art hipster.
[–]kivios -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Haha. You got me pegged...
[–]robeph 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
While yeah, he should have credited the artist, he did directly link to the image, not the site.
My guess is he found it wherever it was with the url already pasted on there, and your outrage is misplaced. No need to be an asshole.
[–]Stormkitty -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Despite all my rage, I'm still just Nicolas Cage.
[–]SlashSarcasm 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
you mean this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
[–]uranushertz 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Tell it! This was exactly my first thought when I saw this!
[–]mbleslie -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Well, it's still a shitty comic though
[–]no-cake -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
how about instead of posting a comment stealing karma from the artist, contact the artists and tell him to claim their fame! lol i kid.
[–]LymeyBastard -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
Yeah I was about to say.
[–]cobrakai11 40 points41 points42 points 1 year ago
I'm often reminded of Ian Malcom's speech from Jurassic Park when I see things like this:
“Let me tell you about our planet,” he said. “Our planet is four and a half billion years old. There has been life on this planet for nearly that long. Three point eight billion years. The first bacteria. And, later, the first multicellular animals, then the first complex creatures, in the sea, on the land. Then the great sweeping ages of animals—the amphibians, the dinosaurs, the mammals, each lasting millions upon millions of years. Great dynasties of creatures arising, flourishing, dying away. All this happening against a background of continuous and violent upheaval, mountain ranges thrust up and eroded away, cometary impacts, volcanic eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving… Endless constant and violent change… Even today, the greatest geographical feature on the planet comes from two great continents colliding, buckling to make the Himalayan mountain range over millions of years. The planet has survived everything, in its time. It will certainly survive us.”
The point is that life on earth can take care of itself. In the thinking of a human being, a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago, we didn’t have cars, and airplanes, and computers and vaccines… It was a whole different world. But to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. The planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can’t imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven’t got the humility to try. We have been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we are gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.”
“Let’s be clear. The planet is not in jeopardy. We are in jeopardy. We haven’t got the power to destroy the planet—or to save it. But we might have the power to save ourselves.”
[–]Terr_ 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Relevant: Geocide: How to destroy the Earth
[–]MrGoodbytes 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
CAME HERE FOR THIS!! :o)
[–]gilben 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I've always had a soft spot for Gaia Hypothesis
[–]cockwaffle 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Having a soft spot for 80s self-help bullshit doesn't make it true. Just because the whole biosphere can be made tractable at a certain level of analysis doesn't grant a sort of magical fuzzy transcendental metaphysical reality to it.
In the sense that's important here, the whole is just the sum of the parts.
[–]gilben 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Aren't we all just the sum of our parts, mannn...? :P I know the earth isn't actually alive, I just like the mythos. Although, to be fair, it kinda does regulate it's temperature.
[–]WeAreGods 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I think the earth is alive. Is it really so hard to imagine, we are composed of billions of cells, each alive in its their own way, yet we consider ourselves singular. I think the matrix had it right, we are acting like cancer because we think we are disconnected, acting without regard for the whole.
[–]swampthing86 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Why is it just self-help bullshit? Are you familiar with it in any way other than its new-agey interpretations? There's very legitimate science being done in the name of Gaia and its intellectual descendants: earth system science.
The whole is just the sum of it's parts. But when what is regarded as the whole is not actually the whole, a change more fundamental than simply adding more parts must be made. Prior to the popularization of Gaia in the 70's and 80's, the only people that seriously considered Earth to be more than a dead rock with some strange chemical constructions (that were put there by god, in the minds of most) calling it home were some Russians in the 20's. We don't think that any more thanks to Gaia theory and it's popularization. The offshoot new-age crap is more or less inevitable in our mostly science-ignorant population.
[–]dobtoronto 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I appreciate your comment cockwaffle
I think I can briefly outline Gaia without anything fuzzy or magical
Life is a difficult concept to define.
As a detailed definition of what it means to be alive is arrived at and as Earth processes are studied, science sans bullshit finds that the planet might meet our best definition of a living thing.
[–]gmick 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
George Carlin's take is about the same.
[–]mindaika -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
Let me tell you about Mars. Mars is a barren, sterile rock, that has also been around for billions of years.
If you think that environmentalism is about saving the chunk of rock, "earth," from vanishing into thin air, you are a moron. If you think that humans wiping out billions of years of evolution is okay, because "hey, just wait a couple billion more years and there's a chance that all this stuff with re-evolve" you are stupid.
"Humans" aren't the ones in jeopardy; every single living thing is. How great is the planet going to be when the only life on it is human?
[–]MrGoodbytes 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Mars doesn't have a barren landscape because of some environmental change or nuclear disaster or anything caused by what we would attribute to "Mother Nature" or other life forms. Mars doesn't have life because its core could not sustain a magnetic field to repeat harmful radiation nor an atmosphere to maintain heat and liquid water.
[–]mindaika 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
And? That is a very accurate, scientific explanation that completely ignores the point: wiping out everything is not okay because it will just "re-evolve in a couple billion years."
My point about Mars was to contrast to the argument "the planet has survived everything" from above. Mars has survived everything too.
[–]cobrakai11 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
What does that have to do with anything? He's not talking about "saving the chunk of rock", he's talking about how life will continue to persist despite the conditions on earth. Comparing it to a planet that's already lifeless is missing the point; he's not glamorizing a barren wasteland.
And the point is, "every single living thing" is not in jeopardy. A lot of them are, but they have been before. Since life was first formed on this planet, 99.9% of what has existed is now extinct. Life continues, and will probably continue way past us.
Thanks for calling me stupid though, despite you being the one who did not understand the passage.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Actually I believe she/he does understand the passage and has a valid point albeit backs it with a false analogy (mars). His/her point that you are missing is that it is a dangerous notion to think that just because life on this earth has persisted so far (despite such natural phenomena as asteroids or periods of cooling or heating) doesn't mean that an egotistical species such as man couldn't achieve that. Also though the passage doesn't outright say it, it does imply that because we "couldn't" stop life from happening it is okay to fuck around with it, which imho it is not. Lastly mindaika doesn't call you stupid, he/she says that if you believe either of those things that you are.
I wasn't calling you stupid, unless you believe that a single species eliminating billions of years of evolution is "fine." Personally, I don't find it that much of a stretch to imagine that humans could create an environment that was so toxic it wiped out all or most other forms of life.
Human intelligence mitigates our effect on ourselves, to some degree. You can tell humans "don't drink the water out of the river, we've been dumping mercury in it." You can't tell a herd of deer that.
Saying we should just continue on doing what we're doing because there's been extinctions before is naive at best. And yes, that's exactly the subtext of the comic, and of Mr. Carlin's joke.
[–]redditor3000 104 points105 points106 points 1 year ago
Just wait a few days before you repost things
- Abraham Lincoln
[–]Kuskesmed 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Down vote reposts, it's all we can do.
[–]mrmaster2 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
You won't win.
The reason is because there are too many users on this site (especially new ones) who have not seen reposts.
So they will upvote the content because they like it.
I don't know whether this endless influx of reposts is good or bad, because much of this stuff is new to me too. But I do know that we aren't changing it.
[–]scortscort 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Reposts happen. Just use the hide button and move on, motherflippers.
[–]JerkingCircles 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
That doesn't solve the obvious difficulty of the constant influx of reposts. If ~5% of Reddit is just reposts, that's a problem, and all the hiding in the world won't fix that.
[–]scortscort -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
are you sure you know how the hide button works?
[–]poo-poo 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
And when you downvote the reposts new users won't see the content so they will begin uploading it (again).
[–]raindogmx -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
This crap again. I didn't see the first post whenever it happened and I check reddit like 300 times a day so I'd miss this great comic if it wasn't for this repost. This is the way reddit works, sometimes a single post is not enough. Also reddiquette.
[–]Hobojesse 60 points61 points62 points 1 year ago
Wasn't this posted yesterday?
[–][deleted] 1 year ago
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[–]invertedspear 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
Didn't see it on my frontpage yesterday, did today. Would never have seen it if it hadn't been reposted.
[–]ShiftyLookingTeen 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I know it probably doesnt matter, but if youre wondering here is the original post. It was in r/comics.
I only saw it cause i browse r/all usually
[–]confoundedvariable 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
TIL about r/all. Jesus christ, I've been a redditor for over a year.
[–]ShiftyLookingTeen 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If you use Reddit Enhancement Suite theres a thing called FilteReddit, and you can filter what shows up there. Like right now i have it so it does show like trees, politics, gaming, or F7U12, so i dont really go into my subreddits anymore.
[–]Jonno_FTW 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
There's also r/random and r/friends
[–]beanswiggin 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
This is unacceptable.
[–]oblivion95 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's no more true today than it was yesterday. We are causing mass extinctions. That DNA will never exist again in the universe.
Let's flip it around. If we did alter the planet, what would that look like? Only moving mountains counts? Sure, that's beyond us.
But what about much smaller glaciers? Or no more polar ice (in summer)? What about disappearing seas? (The Aral Sea is nearly gone.) What about the disappearance of most large land animals? Those are all consequences of our deeds that will linger a million years or so.
[–]vashed 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
To quote George Carlin:
"The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles; hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors; worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages... And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet... the planet... the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!
We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet will be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance."
[–]ErDestructor 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
There are a lot of humans. We have manipulated large chunks of the earth's surface. We've delved into the earth, both bored through and built mountains, made new lakes and islands. As populations and technology expand, we become more and more capable of reworking the surface as we see fit.
It seems reasonable that it would take geologic time-scales to erase our efforts.
[–]JesusTapdancingChris 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Well, the Earth has something like, what, five billion years minimum before it gets enveloped in a dying sun?
[–]Thomsenite 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Kinda beautiful if it wasn't so fucked up.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
"This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel."
[–]anunnaki77 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
but i do both!?!
[–]MonsterInTheGarage 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
George Carlin had a similar take
[–]Nicoscope 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
That's the monologue I immediately thought of when I saw the comic. "Earth will just shake humans off like a bad case of fleas" (or something similar)
[–]Nicoscope 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I have all his HBO specials on some DVD somewhere... I'll try to find it.
[–]SarahC 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
99% of all species are dead.
There's 10's of thousands of insect/animal/fungus types in the world at the moment.
All it needs is just a few bacteria somewhere on the planet to survive and establish themselves again and we'll be back to normal in no time at all.
It'll give a chance for all those species that don't exist to have a go! Without the dino's getting wiped out, we wouldn't have dolphins to save today!
Who knows what will exist in the future?
[–]underattack86 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I kinda fancy Mother Gaia. She's a big girl.
[–]gregny2002 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Survived worse than us, huh bitch?
We'll see about that.
[–]Hapa 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Challenge Accepted.
[–]MosaicM80 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Is it wrong I kinda want to bone her?
[–]ChaChaBolek 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
It just makes you self-centered
[–]SayYouLikeIt 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Yes, that makes it even more hot.
[–]Thomsenite 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Is it getting hot in here, or is the average annual temperature just slowly rising at almost imperceptible levels with possibly drastic consequences?
[–]awesomerobot 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Just dig a hole, just dig a hole.
[–]WcJessen 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
How about not being a karma cock and like to the artist?
[–]dekuscrub 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
You didn’t even wait 24 hours to repost.
[–]waffleninja 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Fuck you, you reposted this from yesterday.
[–]The_Prince1513 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Pfft fuck that, if we're about to go extinct I say we nuke the whole planet just so nothing cooler than us can evolve afterwords.
[–]lovelyallen 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I like your style
[–]fluidambient 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Probably radioactive resistant life forms will evolve from the debris.
[–]alliha 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Source, humon at deviantart (creator of Scandinavia and The World) :
http://humon.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24#/d3fh24i
[–]opiomorph 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Life will always find a way.
[–]smdepot 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I think you mean Love will always find a way.
[–]mindaika -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
200 years ago there were billions of passenger pigeons. Today, there are 0. Please tell me more about "life finding a way."
[–]salbris 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
To play devils advocate:
4 billion years ago there were no mammals now there are billions of them across thousands of species.
And we're wiping them out at 1,000x the natural rate.
[–]Grakos 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Because there have been numerous mass extinctions in the past. mass extinctions = almost every single thing that can be considered living is gone. Dinosaurs were rockin' the planet ages ago, and then everything went to shit. What happened after that? Life created its most advanced marvel of existence yet: humans. I think if it can make consciousness even after being completely wiped out multiple times, it can come back again if humans somehow don't get their shit together.
[–]opiomorph 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Beat me to it. Just because an upcoming mass extinction event may be our own doesn't mean that life won't just plug along without us. We're meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
TL;DR It's okay if we cause a mass extinction, because given a couple billion years, new stuff might evolve?
[–]Grakos 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
no its TL;DR We don't want extinction because it is not only disturbing but harmful to us, and even if we do cause a mass extinction it wont wipe out life forever.
I want to fuck mother Gaia.
[–]thatrudedude 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Meh, so not true.
Kinda funny how humans are animals but separate from nature.
[–]theduck20 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This was up here a few days ago and it was linked to the creator. Downvote x10
So true for people who are brainwashed. This gaia-worship and thinking that humans are the disease is sick. You've been conned into hating yourselves in order to accept a managed society where you're life is managed but the policy makers' lives are not.
Okay, now where's the rule34?
[–]marvelous_molester 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
We can destroy mountains, we can eradicate entire species, we can spread unthinkable disease, we can go into space and to the bottom of the ocean and we can fly and swim faster than any natural thing with the technologies we have developed. Human beings have survived worse, we are an extremely adaptable species and we owe our survival to ourselves. I have absolutely no respect for people who worship trees and wild animals over human progress.
And honestly, if this human progress will be our undoing, I'd rather humanity go down this way than any other. Ubermenshce, people like you are traitors to your own fucking species. Glory to the human race, full steam ahead no matter where it takes us.
[–]ThePropagandaPanda 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
protip, humans are the only species in the history of the fucking earth to be able so save life from being snuffed out completely by previously unavoidable cosmic disasters. Mother nature is not a separate being from you. you are a part of mother nature. I'm not saying be pollutive, but recognize that humans are probably the best things nature has ever produced and is not separated in that we are very advanced compared to the rest of the world, we are immature and make lots of poor judgement, but we are the only true hope life has (unless of course all humans somehow manage to die out and are replaced by another intelligent species which is pretty unlikely).
wait how did we save life from a cosmic disaster
[–]ThePropagandaPanda 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
able to save sillyhead
[–]manueljs 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Humans only exist because the Earth needed plastic!!
[–]darkangelx 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
George Carlin /RIP Best man ever.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Except it's also killing other species. Who's self centered? Only acknowledging humans and this amorphous idea of "nature" seems pretty self centered to me.
[–]Demonicplaydoh 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
We have literally become digg. Things popular on reddit are now the things that were popular on reddit yesterday
[–]gin_tonic_cucumber 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I know you have been downvoted but I was thinking the same exact thing. This was just here a mere 24 hours ago under "mother gaia" or some title like that.
Probably less than 24 hours, AND the asshat rehosted it so the original artist isn't benefiting. This is a bad, bad post
[–]avocadoadvocate 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I'm going to add to the noise of this redundent conversation by saying as any person can in a repost discussion that if you don't like it, just move on.
There are new users here, this site is becoming more popular so there will be more people who haven't seen it. Frankly i'm tired of seeing discussions like this happen in threads. If you want to be a reddit hipster then start /r/hipstereddit and have a circlejerk
[–]pingas 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Who's mother gaia?
[–]RJacksonm1 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I was going to upvote you and question why you were being downvoted for wishing to expand your knowledge, however the top result of "mother gaia" on Google answers your question in more detail than is required, therefore I think it's fitting I award 1 upvote for asking the question, and 1 downvote for not googling it. This unfortunately means I cannot put any vote on your comment, so I thought it wise to make this comment explaining why I am unable to do so.
Good day sir,
I would google it, but I'm too busy doing reddit.
mother earth = gaia of greek mythology, this seems to fall somewhere in between
[–]Ultimate_Thor 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Not sure I totally agree with this but I know it's a popular idea and makes people feel less guilty for destroying the environment.
[–]dman24752 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That's a fair point, which is why I always take pause when considering myself an environmentalist. I definitely think it's important to stop global warming, dumping chemicals into the water, etc., but I support stopping those things because it hurts people down the line.
As much as I love Panda Bears, whales, dolphins, and all endangered species, if I had to choose between them and ending world poverty or curing diseases like AIDS the endangered species aren't going to be around. That being said, we don't actually have to make those choices and things don't turn out that way, but that's why I pause when calling myself an environmentalist. If given the opportunity, I would.
[–]houshinto 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If nothing else Tardigrades. otherwise known as water bears, will survive us along with "nature". Those things are virtually indestructible.
[–]xhaereticusx 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
99% of every species that has ever lived is extinct. And one day humans will join them. The earth will still be here and many other species will still be here.
The point the comic is making is that, life, will continue. We won't be able to adapt to the changes but some forms of life will.
[–]SarahC 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/i1jd1/so_true/c207o3j
.....and many other species will still be here.
.....and many other NEW species will be here. They'll be wonderful too.
You only care about polar bears because they're around at the moment - if we wipe them out on our way to wiping ourselves out, or reducing us to a few tribes again... there will be other animals in the future that will be far more magnificent than polar-bears, dolphins, and everything else we have now.
It's short sighted to think evolution has come as far as it can go...
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
It also takes an asshole to rationalize mass extinction through some form of ill conceived evolutionary superiority.
I don't think the idea is to make people feel less guilty about destroying the environment, so much as to shift emphasis away from "look at this cute polar bear you're killing" to "you won't be able to live here anymore".
It's really easy to take a sympathy for nature argument and not give any fucks because people are powerful and we'll be OK. Reminding people that this is about survivability, and that humans are actually rather fragile has a much more practical feel too it.
[–]Ultimate_Thor 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Good point. I agree, people don't realize how much the environment actually does for us and take it for granted.
[–]getter1 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Just because it makes people feel less guilty, doesn't make it any less true. We can pollute this planet all we want and make it a toxic waste land and really, I don't see anything 'bad' about it, in a cosmic sense. The resilient forms of life will flourish and will have another 'explosion' of evolution. Its hubris to think that we can destroy this planet. Wrong, we are only destroying its ability to sustain life as we know it.
[–]cockwaffle 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
It's equally hubris to care that the resilient forms of life will persist. Self-consistency. There is no normative or teleological aspect of evolution. It's not working towards anything, and if we choose to work for something, it won't be because nature told us to.
[–]getter1 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I wasn't speaking in a way of fact, but more of possibility, I should have eluded to that.
But seriously, there is life in highly acidic caves. There is life in the sulfur vents at the bottom of the fucking ocean. You know, the bottom of the ocean, the place where we are constantly finding new live and pretty much know nothing about the ecosystems down there.
I'm saying that life is pretty fucking resilient and it would take a cataclysmic event on earth to end all of it down to the microbes.
I'm simply going with the trend that all the life on earth only represents about 1% of the estimated evolutionary diversity.
[–]vodkalime 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That last couple frames are kinda what I want to say to my ex right now.
[–]anunnaki77 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
me too!
[–]ThereOnceWasAMan 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
So true.
No, not really. People say this all the time, but it's bullshit. Nature hasn't survived worse things than humans, it's survived different things than humans. True, we might not successfully destroy ALL life on earth (though give it time and I guarantee we will develop that capability), but we have already directly caused the extinction of hundreds (thousands? not sure) of species. It might be comforting to think that other forms of life still, and probably will continue to, exist, but it doesn't change the fact that entirely unique forms of life will never again exist because of us.
[–]DarcyHart 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Not the asteroid impact then?
[–]cod_liver_royal 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think the comic is making a linguistic point. What we call 'saving the planet' is essentially 'saving a planet that can sustain humans', since as long as there is an organism that can reproduce on this planet, nature will go on.
[–]Grakos 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
We don't need to worry about a species dying off because its a unique form of life. We need to worry about a species dying off because what causes mass extinction is when the intricate fabric between the diverse life of ecosystems falls apart. And if that falls apart we all die. We don't do Ecology because we think plants and animals are beautiful, but because we rely on them to survive. If it was just to appreciate plants and animals it wouldn't be a practical science.
By gaining world domination we had to fight to get here. Now at this point we realize we have been fighting too well. Think of us as a society of wolves. Wolves hunt deer so they depend on them to survive. If they hunt deer too well, they themselves will die off. If the wolves only realized this earlier, they would have hunted food more effectively. Lucky for us, we humans are good are realizing things. So we notice that we are being too harsh to the environment we depend on and are now trying to handle it in a better way. But we are going to continue to eat animals and morph plants to our fitting because its what we do to survive. We should just be doing it in a safer way.
[–]ThereOnceWasAMan -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
This is exactly the kind of human-centered thinking that the comic was talking about. Specifically
We don't need to worry about a species dying off because its a unique form of life.
Yes, we do. Reddit goes into fits when it sees a video or story about someone throwing a puppy off a cliff -- well what about if someone threw every single fucking puppy in the world off a cliff? Is that all of a sudden not sad except because of the effect it would have on the planet's ecology? And specifically, as you say, its effect on our ability to survive as a species? Of course not.
That's more so the battle of animal rights, not the battle for a defended ecosystem. When it comes to defending certain animals, we do that not for science and the future of humanity but because we are morally guided to respect other animals. Yes, harming helpless animals is an abomination.
I can't think of any reason to kill of an entire species (like dogs). The effect would only harm us with both terrible guilt and environmental impact. If anything, our respect towards other unique life is what gave us the idea of respecting our environment, to develop a science to regulate our ecosystems.
But you see, we hardly felt a need to defend our ecosystems before because we thought it would never harm us. But when we look at what we have done, its not only cruel to nature but it is dangerous to our future. The fight to stop cruelty towards nature = animal-rights like organizations. The fight to preserve nature so it doesn't collapse around us = Ecology. They both work with each other, for if the science was just to defend the cutest animals it would be a sloppy, ineffective way of understanding an ecosystem. But if the science wasn't also backed by our love for life, we might make some disturbing decisions.
TL;DR Its both love for nature and the ecological preservation of nature that guides this environmentalist movement. But the science behind it is not to stop cruelty, but to protect our future.
[–]Thomsenite 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Also selfish people not are fucking themselves over. They are fucking over all or almost all living things from about 30-40 years from now on.
[–]b2717 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Not to dilute the point, but why are they both naked?
[–]lackofbrain 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Aren't you?
[–]b2717 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
No, I was born in this smoking jacket.
[–]smdepot 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
b2717 Stay classy
[–]Terr_ 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think it's supposed to represent that the encounter is happening on some quasi-spiritual or metaphorical plane between an avatar of all humanity versus an avatar of all other life on earth.
[–]dustyneverforget 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This isn't even remotely true. Humans have caused species to go extinct. And pollution and other human actions can lead to desertification and post-Apocalyptic, Fallout-esque landscapes.
We probably couldn't wipe out all life on Earth, but we could come pretty damn close if we put our mind to it.
[–]tumbleweedss 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
And then it would just restart. It might take millions of years but there would be life.
So what does that mean? Nature won? That reminds me of that scene from the movie Antz.
1 - 0 We Win!
[–]mindaika -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
It would take billions of years but there's a chance that there might be life.
FTFY
[–]mindaika -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Sure we could. A nice nuclear war with the existing weapons would do it. And before someone says "cockroaches would survive!": sure, they probably would. Then in the aftermath, they'd breed like crazy due to the lack of predators, consume all the resources, and go extinct as well.
[–]Grakos 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
there are more than just cockroaches that can survive nuclear radiation. And even if we did destroy all life on earth as we know it and it was never able to mimic what it did billions of years ago in the supposed primordial ooze, there wouldn't be anyone left to give a shit because we would all be dead. How is destroying all life a guilty burden to us if we are all dead? What we have to worry about is killing ourselves off. And in order to prevent that, we need to treat our environment carefully.
[–]ynnnnaD 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
That fungus should be genetically engineered to be a crop. We'd have nuclear food. Presumably that'd make radioactive waste a commodity.
I agree with parts of that, except it sounds like you're saying "murder/suicides are okay, because the murderer is dead at the end." Except on a global scale.
That is pretty much what is being said, but its because the argument to defend the planet is like saying "dont do murder suicide because you will have the burden of killing someone on your shoulders". If we treat the environment terribly, its pretty much a murder/suicide and we don't want that to happen because murder/suicides are terrible for everyone (and everything in this case).
The moral side isn't wrong in this though, of course it isn't. You have to be a monster to be OK with killing off entire species. But it's not the only reason we defend our environment. We do it to preserve our own future too. Defending the ecology of the planet is both a science and a love for living things, not just one or the other.
[–]sofalse 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I like when artists think they know what abstract concepts think ... then again no one ever said poets (yes artists are poets) have any idea what they are talking about.
[–]jefree_jade 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Save the Humans!
[–]Icyballs 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
It may be true that not everything will die if we take our destruction of the environment as far as it can go, but thousands or even millions of species will die. Life as a whole will continue, but the diversity of life will take millions of years to recover.
[–]loercase 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
The alternative also exists: we destroy all life not necessary for our survival and live in a hellish, Blade Runner-esque dystopian future. We could in fact live without "nature" if we consume it entirely. The only concern is keeping enough plant life alive to produce oxygen...
[–]Willis13579 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
The good news is that God is dead and OP reigns.
Save us, OP!
[–]rutterkin 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Also, please read the novel Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn.
There are already organisms which can feed of radiation from nuclear blasts. When did that happen? Not even 30 years ago and there is already life adapting to it. If nukes can't kill nature I dont think we are going to, unless we obliterate Earth completely into dust. The environmentalist movement is not to save nature or feel good about the plants, but to prevent us from harming the environment we rely on. We try to save those poor little fish because we want to eat those fish forever not lose them in a few years. The idea of Ecology is to manipulate the environment to support our ideal living patterns, not to save the critters because they are cute.
[–]omnicious 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Man if this is true than I say we burn this motherfucker down. No way we go out like some punk bitch without taking everything else with us.
[–]tacogordito 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Should we blame ourselves for what we are programmed to do? We evolved on Earth. We are a product of the system. Whatever happens to us as a species will be because of the way we evolved, or were programmed to do. A mere 5 million years ago we were essentially chimpanzees. Lets not put ourselves on a pedestal and think that we are some superior beings. We are animals.
[–]hhurr 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
PM me your address so I can kill you and shit on your corpse. We're just animals.
[–]badaids 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This is why it irks me when people say 'we're destroying the environment'. Um, unless you're unleashing anti-matter bombs, you're not. We're just altering the environment until it cannot sustain us. I think climate change has been advertised in a way that doesn't lend itself any advantage, people just don't really form the link between the environment and our environment.
[–]xmashamm 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
So much better without the last panel.
[–]Reingding13 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Reminds me a lot of the George Carlin bit about the environment.
[–]dickishComments 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Relevant and more entertaining.
[–]BZenMojo 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This leads to several circular arguments.
Humans are destroying the planet such that many animals in nature will go extinct. So we're not killing just ourselves, we're destroying entire species in the process.
Someone will inevitably respond, "But species go extinct all of the time. Who really cares at what rate it happens?"
To which the natural response is, "If it doesn't matter what rate nature is changed, harmed, and species are destroyed, then what exactly do you call 'nature' if not the collection of species living in its several biomes?"
I just get annoyed when people act like humans have no effect on the planet just because the giant ball of rock spinning through space will still be a giant ball of rock.
[–]amadlem 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
FUCKING THANK YOU
[–]DivineRobot 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago*
So the earth thinks it can't be destroyed huh?
Challenge accepted.
We will now start working on building a bigger LHC for the sole purpose of creating a black hole. That'll show him what us humans are made of.
[–]thinlikenate 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
EXACTLY. That's why environmentalists crack me up. They don't really care about earth. The planet will be fine without us. They're only worried about themselves.
[–]franktinsley 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Kind of ironic the way everyone here is simultaneously acknowledging man's insignificance and assuming his understanding of Earth's whole history is so clear.
[–]TheBaltimoron 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This is why we can't have nice things.
[–]big_bad_mojo 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Humans are tenacious. We shall find a way.
[–]Flatline_hun 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Made me horny, and want to make out with mother nature...
[–]TruthWillSetUsFree 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
guess I might as well dump that toxic waste in the ocean, since it doesn't matter, right?
Would you like to be CEO of a big oil company? I see bright things in your future and they look like gold bars.
[–]original_locutus 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Interesting religion...
[–]spif 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
At one level, we are part of nature, and we can't destroy or change it because everything we do is just a form of natural process. We may or may not go extinct as a species, whether all simply die out, or because we evolve into one or more new species. This may happen because of processes we were involved in, or other processes, but they will be natural processes regardless, unless they originate from somewhere other than Earth. Even then it could be seen as natural in a different context.
But at another level, there is only one verifiable consciousness anyway - this one. The physical form with space/time/matter/energy is arbitrary information, not even the only existence imaginable, much less the only one within the scope of infinite possible forms. The universe is observing itself, and there's no reason to believe it won't continue to do so in any number of ways even if the details of form and identity are changed. The consciousness I/you/we possess cannot be destroyed, or even changed, in an infinite universe. The only thing that changes is what information is running through the consciousness that is unfolding. The universe chooses its own destiny.
[–]khoker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Nature is trying very hard to make us succeed, but nature does not depend on us. We are not the only experiment.
[–]Alobarish 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Reminds me of a George Carlin skit where he bitches about people who want to "save the planet"...
"The planet will be FINE! We're fucked!" Or something to that effect.
So freaking true.
EDIT: Ooops. Of course all manner of people already said this. And said it better. With links and actual quotes. Derp.
[–]pfernando27 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
RULE 34 ! RULE 34 ! Rule 34 !
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Good, I hope we all die.
[–]Bot02 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
If you're so eager for that, why are you still around?
[–]dalgeek -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
The planet will be fine, it's the people who are fucked.
[–]DarcyHart 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
So you read the comic then?
Nope, I guessed based on the name of the image. Looks like I was right.
[–]Wadka -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Mother Nature can suck it. She was all cool with her ebola and her sabre tooth tigers, but the minute we gain the upper hand she wants us to start recycling and shit. Fuck her.
[–]kennywinker09 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
True, we are only hurting ourselves. All those species we drove to extinction wanted us to do that to them.
[–]thorizzle117 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Pretty sure humans are too intelligent to ever become extinct. We've now reached the point of being able to live through anything.
[–]electrikyle -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
While I agree that 'life will find a way,' that doesn't really mean that we need to take thousands of species down with us, does it? This comic doesn't seem to acknowledge that say, orangutans will be extinct in 15 years. And THAT is our fault. So it's not just us screwing ourselves over, there is major collateral.
[–]RosieJo -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
True. I'm happy that humans will all die one day. It will give the earth space to breath. Everything will be kooshty until another species evolves that thinks it's superior to fuck everything up again.
[–]jngrow -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Yeah those thousands of species that go extinct every year directly due to human influence sure are adapting
[–]Robotochan 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Species will come and go whether or not their are humans.
[–]jngrow -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
If you look at 'nature' as just life in general, yes, it will most likely continue regardless of what we do. But we really are causing the planet's newest mass extinction.
The thing is, just looking at nature as life in general seems kind of lame to me. For example, post-nuclear apocalypse akin to Fallout or something. Sure, life is still around. But the result of human action in this example has caused mass suffering and death in millions of species. Eventually, the planet heals, sure, but why be the cause of something terrible? And it is very possible for us to kill a LOT of the planet's life and biodiversity.
TL;DR: It would suck to leave the planet less beautiful and with less life than when we first arrived, regardless of the fact that life will still be present.
[–]Robotochan 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Why do people disassociate humans from nature.
The way I look at it, humans are nothing more than another species on this planet. Of course we are more intelligent than the others, but our actions are as natural as an animal that migrates to find food or warmth. Their impact on the world may differ, sometimes in an extreme fashion, but we do what we do it is because what we are, it's in our nature.
Eventually, the planet heals
How can a planet heal? The planet is part of a diverse system that changes, whether or not with human intervention. Start a forest fire, and you won't find the same animals and plants that were there before have all returned, it changes. If we changed the atmosphere of the planet, it won't magically return to how it was before, it will change into something else. The way the earth is at the moment, isn't how it will be in a million years.
[–]jngrow 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago*
Saying something is okay because "it's natural" is a fallacy (although I know that's not necessarily what you are saying). Sure, on the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter, but we aren't here for an existential argument if we are looking at the OP.
I never dissociated humans from nature. I just specified humans because we are humans, and we have the ability to change our course of action. Anyways, I don't subscribe to the idea that "fuck it, we are part of nature too, let's do whatever we want." Because we have intelligence, we have the ability to choose to be or not to be that cause of extinction. We can change our nature. On a macro scale, our 'nature' was different 500 years ago and was different 8000 years ago.
"Heal" was just a generic term that I meant more as returning to a similar quantity or diversity of life. I didn't mean to imply that it returned to the exact same state, although I admit I could have chosen a better word.
[–]dog_in_the_vent -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Fuck that, let's take this planet down in style and enjoy the ride!
[–]brlito -14 points-13 points-12 points 1 year ago
This post sucks and so do you. Repost, it's crap and you've given zero credit! Congrats you get an A+ in being a Redditor.
[–]leawalnut 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Why don't you go outside for a little while? I think you're taking the internet too seriously.
[–]brlito -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
Why don't you go outside for a little while?
Says the guy getting troll baited. You lose.
[–]irregodless 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
weakest. troll. ever. I award you no points. Adieu.
[–]AwesomeThunderbolt -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
tl;dr hippy shit.
[–]chief-awesome -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
not true at all, i'm pretty sure kratos killed this bitch
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