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[–]kwood09 163 points164 points ago

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About the only time you'll see Germans waving the flag and chanting for Deutschland is during the World Cup or European Championship.

[–]erikbra81 14 points15 points ago

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I was in an open roof pub in Stuttgart during one of Germany's big games. Everything was nice until a point when everybody started chanting incessantly, "sieg! sieg! sieg!". It went on for a couple of minutes until someone had to say it... "heil!" Followed by nervous laughter.

[–]kthanx 3 points4 points ago

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For the record: "sieg!" means "victory"

[–]Aitioma 430 points431 points ago

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I'm German and I think that's a good thing.

Nationalism/Patriotism are pathetic constructs that need to be abandoned.

I feel sick when I see other countries doing it. There mustn't be borders, nationality is an artificial difference between humans. It's just as stupid and worthless as religion or any other group ideology. It's nothing but ignorance and weakness.

[–]KapiteinPannekoek 3 points4 points ago

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I think Germans deserve to be proud of their nation, they are one of the main pillars carrying the EU.

Besides, nationality is not an artificial difference, the cultural differences between certain groups of people is just to big. I am not even certain if it would be better to have one single culture, it would stop progression.

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[–]Aitioma 0 points1 point ago

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posting to read and respond to this later, seems very interesting

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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So do you have a final solution on how we get rid of these ignorant and weak countries?

The irony is that after WWII this concept has been rammed down the throats of ever German and now anti-nationalism is a source of pride for Germans... so much pride that they think anything that doesn't share there opinions are 'ignorant and weak.'

[–]CountVonTroll 2 points3 points ago

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The irony is that after WWII this concept has been rammed down the throats of ever German and now anti-nationalism is a source of pride for Germans...

An alternative interpretation would be that rather than growing up in a culture that thinks of nationalism as being normal, we had a pretty impressive demonstration of the negative aspects of it.

It's true that humans evolved to mistrust those who weren't members of their group, but that happened during a time when they actually knew each member of their clan. Most Germans I see when I go outside my house I see for the first time, and let me tell you there are plenty of them I don't want to get to know any better.

Somebody above has compared a natural tendency towards nationalism to that of racism, based on pretty much the same evolutionary argument of a tendency to identify with ones own group and mistrusting others. But while there still is plenty of racism around, wouldn't you agree that the situation has improved somewhat, compared to attitudes of just a few generations ago, since it has become more common to make first hand experiences with members of other races as peers? To me, this is a sign that a good part of it is cultural, not inherent.

Of course the need to belong to a group is there, but what the boundaries of that group are is learned. What's my tribe? The closest is probably my family and my circle of friends. When it goes beyond that, it gets blurry rather quickly, and usually depends on the topic of a discussion with which group of people I identify with.

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I agree you did have pretty impressive demonstration of the negative aspects of it. This is part of my point. And while I can agree that the extreme form of nationalism has ugly elements of racism and tribalism but it also has positive aspects, or can.

Most Germans I see when I go outside my house I see for the first time, and let me tell you there are plenty of them I don't want to get to know any better.

But you are you bound to those other Germans in ways that you may not even know. For example you both (your random German neighbor) would likely be disgusted at the treatment of women in some cultures, honor killings, acid splashing, or just the idea that religion should be involved in politics. Other areas, peoples may endorse those things. The fact that the country you live in doesn't value those things is a shared source of pride, this is good nationalism. Something you are simply proud of. This doesn't mean it rises to the level of a justification to invade those you think differently, but believing you are correct, or more correct as a person easily extends to a village, to a county to a country to a group of countries, to a continent to a "world".

[–]CountVonTroll 2 points3 points ago

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I agree you did have pretty impressive demonstration of the negative aspects of it. This is part of my point. And while I can agree that the extreme form of nationalism has ugly elements of racism and tribalism but it also has positive aspects, or can.

By your point, you mean the "crammed down" part? I don't think we're looking at it the same way. The difference between our respective socializations is that while you probably grew up in a culture that takes nationalism as something natural, I was brought up with a different perspective on it. People tend to stick with the default. How many of your neighbors do you believe have ever even given the potential negative aspects of it a second thought?

But you are you bound to those other Germans in ways that you may not even know.

There are general cultural aspects we are more likely to share than you and I, I'm aware of that. This discussion about the final solution to the nationalism question, as you so eloquently put it, is one example. If we were discussing any of the other examples you mentioned, then practically all Westerners would agree, with the exception of mixing politics and religion (or generally politics and private life), where the cultural differences between average Americans and Europeans are quite apparent. That's what I meant when I said it depends on the topic what I perceive as my group.

The fact that the country you live in doesn't value those things is a shared source of pride, this is good nationalism. Something you are simply proud of.

That's not nationalism, it's culture, and in a pluralistic society people tend to be members of several cultures at a time. There are plenty of things I believe Germany does right, but most of those things, say, the Dutch or French do the same way. In regards to some other things, "my" side has merely won an internal political debate by often only a slim margin, and in regards to yet others I'm frustrated by the fact that we didn't manage to turn it into a national policy and envy those countries where the ones who are politically much closer to my position than what is prevalent in my own have succeeded.

This doesn't mean it rises to the level of a justification to invade those you think differently, but believing you are correct, or more correct as a person easily extends to a village, to a county to a country to a group of countries, to a continent to a "world".

Frankly, this sounds counterproductive, as it hinders adoption of good policies from elsewhere. But as you just stated, there are different units you're a part of, so why elevate the one on the national level to something special, especially when in times of instant global communication the cultural identification looks more like a Venn diagram than concentric circles?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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But as you just stated, there are different units you're a part of, so why elevate the one on the national level to something special, especially when in times of instant global communication the cultural identification looks more like a Venn diagram than concentric circles?

I honestly think we agree more more then disagree and I think this last comment is the crux of it. We are a part of some many different circles and I believe all people will travel effortlessly through those circles as convince requires. For example you example on the local level when you disagree with politics inside Germany, maybe your circle shrinks to being Bavarian or something regional. If however Germany were attacked by France (yes I know silly but run with me) I am pretty sure your circle would expand to strictly what we know as a nationalistic circle. Being that France will not be invading you have no need of that circle and can expand to a Western Culture one or maybe a global one on certain levels.

I am really only arguing that it is always a bad thing. I don't think it is, like anything I think it can be.

[–]CountVonTroll 2 points3 points ago*

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I honestly think we agree more more then disagree and I think this last comment is the crux of it. We are a part of some many different circles and I believe all people will travel effortlessly through those circles as convince requires.

I think we do, but my point is that nationalism goes against that. A nationalist's convenience makes her/him biased towards a group on a national level and side with that regardless of reason.

maybe your circle shrinks to being Bavarian

There's no need to become offensive.

If however Germany were attacked by France (yes I know silly but run with me) I am pretty sure your circle would expand to strictly what we know as a nationalistic circle.

Since I'm a German in Germany, this hypothetical attack would inherently include me as a member of this particular group that is under attack, but that's not what nationalism is about. If it was the other way round, nationalism would come into play: Would I actively support a German attack against France, solely based on the fact that I'm German? That would be (an extreme form of) nationalism. Another example where nationalism clouds judgement and can have negative consequences is when it's about giving up national sovereignty to supernational bodies where it makes sense, e.g., harmonization of certain regulations and a common foreign and defense policy within the EU.

I am really only arguing that it is [not] always a bad thing. I don't think it is, like anything I think it can be.

Well, the way I look at it, where it would be positive you'd come to the same conclusion based on rational thought. Nationalism gives you a default position at best, and goes against reason at worst.

[Edit: Come on guys, don't downvote this guy just because you don't agree. He's not trolling and it's not spam. All you'll achieve is to hide this thread.]

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Well just to play with the hypo a bit more with some real life retarded-ness...(and yes this is tired as bringing up Hitler but still works) On September 11th the U.S. was attacked and had a huge swelling of nationalism, Bush's numbers sky-rocketed and he used that, and twisted it to open a war on Iraq and a never ending war on terror. Many people who otherwise felt no swelling of pride at the mention of the U.S. suddenly had this cathartic moment. If it had ended there all is well in the world but it didn't. My point is that moment of cathartic identity is not itself a bad thing, but perhaps the twisting of it to justify other things.

[–]CountVonTroll 1 point2 points ago

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I would argue that this coming together after the attacks doesn't require nationalism, as evidenced by the expressions of solidarity from around the world. If you recall, people where assembling with candles even in Tehran.

That Bush managed to use this for an attack against Iraq, on the other hand, as was the strong anti-French sentiment when they didn't go along with it, was due to nationalism. I mean, pouring perfectly good wine down the sewer is just retarded.

I know this must look like "good? Not nationalism. Bad? It's nationalism," but this is how I look at it. If it's good, it makes sense, and nationalism is at best a short cut that leads to the same result. If you support something, or even go against somebody from the outside, solely based on where you happen to have be born, then this can't be a good thing.

[–]Aitioma 1 point2 points ago

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So do you have a final solution on how we get rid of these ignorant and weak countries?

No. That's the point.

so much pride that they think anything that doesn't share there opinions are 'ignorant and weak.'

This has nothing to do with me being German and you making a racist remark doesn't help your argument.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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No. That's the point.

You didn't get the joke?

This has nothing to do with me being German and you making a racist remark doesn't help your argument.

It has EVERYTHING to do with you being German, and the fact that you can't see that is a tad frightening.

[–]evillive 0 points1 point ago

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I got it...well played. Next thing you know the Germans will be on the march exterminating nationalists from every country. Japan will get involved for some reason...WWIV.

[–]Hroppa 0 points1 point ago

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Anti-nationalist Brit (haha), here. Yes, its relevant to discuss anti-nationalism in the context of German anti-nationalism, but no, it's not got EVERYTHING to do with being German.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Well to be fair being anti-nationalist for a Brit is about on par with a cup of tea, how do you think the State came about in the first place?!

[–]DoctorNose 96 points97 points ago*

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Yeah, but clans are human nature. It is nice to say things such as "we shouldn't have nationalism", but it isn't like nationalism exists because we decided we needed some evil grouping system in our lives. It is because humans naturally have an in-group/out-group mentality.

Getting rid of nationalism is like getting rid of racism. It exists ingrained in us from a time when you needed to differentiate between your clan and a dangerous one, not because it is currently good or beneficial.

But to say there musn't be borders is idealism that simply doesn't work in a real life situation. I can think of almost zero real-life examples. That implies that, in the real world, there must be borders because humans will quite simply create them.

[–]xNIBx 40 points41 points ago*

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It is because humans naturally have an in-group/out-group mentality.

Why base those groups on geographical criteria? Hell, i would even argue that redditors from around the world have more in common with each other than they have with most of their compatriots.

There will always be groups as long as there are individual preferences. But there is no reason to base those groups on national frontiers. Cultural based groups make more sense and with the advent of the internet, this is already happening.

What i find funny about reddit is even though religion is considered to be stupid(to say the least), nationalism is still an accepted norm.

[–]bluntwar 9 points10 points ago

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The internet is an entirely different communication medium.

Traits like accent, race & gender are eradicated from internet communication.

[–]Torquemada1970 0 points1 point ago

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But not language? How do you seperate?

[–]palad1 5 points6 points ago

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Typos and grammar helps weeding-out Engrish speakers Americans.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Although traits like facial expression and tones can be lost, there are a plenty of other properties that are left in text medium. You ever seen people fighting over color/colour?

[–]bumblingbagel8 2 points3 points ago

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I once burned down a village in second life in an argument over this.

[–]xNIBx 0 points1 point ago

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You say that as if it is a bad thing. Internet is the great equalizer and this is good. Instead of concentrating on the things that you mention, which we are naturally predisposed to discriminate against, we concetrate on the real differences.

[–]niceville 7 points8 points ago

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Why base those groups on geographical criteria? Hell, i would even argue that redditors from around the world have more in common with each other than they have with most of their compatriots.

You're allowed to have more than one in-group/out-group affiliation. You ever see how Reddit reacts to Digg?

[–]xNIBx 0 points1 point ago

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True but having your country as your main identifier seems kinda silly in the days of the internet(and cheap/fast transportation).

[–]blackstar9000 8 points9 points ago

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Why base those groups on geographical criteria?

For the very simple reason that most resources are distributed geographically. It helps, for example, to have an "in-group" in your local area so that you're not excluded from, say, use of the land or access to social services. Until someone can find a way to totally untether our most basic needs for geographical proximity to resources, geography will continue to be a major factor in our social affiliations. You can, of course, have non-geographic cultural affiliations in addition to the geographically distributed affiliations, but doing so adds to the work required to maintain those affiliations. For that reason, most people will prefer, whenever possible, to have as much overlap as possible between their socio-geographic affiliations and their cultural affiliations.

But there is no reason to base those groups on national frontiers.

If there were no reason for it, then the cost of maintaining those frontiers would have already made them a thing of the past.

[–]xNIBx 1 point2 points ago

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For the very simple reason that most resources are distributed geographically.

Are they? You buy a japanese television, which was made in China, using precious metals from South Africa, distributed using gasoline which was extracted in Saudi Arabia, then distilled in the US only to buy that tv from a shop in France.

Technically you are right but practically globalization made geographical frontiers almost irrelevant. I mean it should have, except noone trusts anyone and everyone is fighting for power. But political games aside and assuming that everyone is an honest and mature individual, there is no need for geographical frontiers. Unfortunately most people are stupid and you still need national identities as a way to herd the flock into whatever decision the governing elite takes.

If there were no reason for it, then the cost of maintaining those frontiers would have already made them a thing of the past.

There is a reason(as i wrote in my answer above) but there shouldnt be one. Globalization, cheap/fast transportation, freedom of movement(still havent been fully implemented) and the internet have greatly affected the way the world can work. Imagine if you have the ability to go anywhere on earth, without needing visa, in very little time and with a small cost. You can do that inside the EU for example.

Sure the distances in EU are pretty small but this is a technological issue, not a logical one. If you had 1000kmh trains, you could go to the US or China within a couple of hours. You could be living in Germany, work in New York and shop in Japan. Rich people already do this. Which is why often they considered themselves more cosmopolitan(which means "citizen of the world" in greek) and less bound to a national identity.

[–]blackstar9000 1 point2 points ago

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Are they? You buy a japanese television...

The act of you buying that television set may seem independent of geography, but only because you're overlooking all of the geographically-dependent steps in the process. Your ability to buy that set is premised on your having a job, which depends on local availability. If you even want a television, then you most likely have a house or apartment, which is also dependent on the local availability of land. Assuming you bought the television at a store, the store also depends on the availability of land, as does the factory in China that produced the television, not to mention the mines in South Africa from which the precious metals were culled, and the oil fields in Saudi Arabia from which the petroleum used to ship it were extracted. Of course, if you ordered it off of the internet, petroleum becomes even more integral to the process, and the affordability of the internet shopping model is premised on companies like Amazon having strategically placed warehouses, so even there don't suppose that the geographic location of resources like land doesn't matter. And in every step of that process, those regions protect those resources (the most basic being land) by the assertion of rights as a nation. Each of those nations wants its share of the cost you paid for that television, and they protect that share by observing national borders. Even the fact that you have money to blow on a new television is a function of your geographic proximity to resources that aren't available to someone in another part of the world.

The idea that globalization has eradicated the need for geopolitical borders is a myth, built on a misunderstanding of how globalization functions. The interest of a resource diverse and wealthy nation like the U.S. in a nation with limited resources is predicated on the fact that the geographic distribution of those resources will make it cheaper to import those materials and employ their labor than it would be here. The entire economic system of globalism is premised on the exploitation of unequal distribution between nations, so the observation of geographical frontiers is implicit in the concept. Those borders are, to a great degree, permeable, but the regulation of that permeability is essential to globalization.

Imagine if you have the ability to go anywhere on earth, without needing visa, in very little time and with a small cost. You can do that inside the EU for example.

The EU is essentially a remapping of a particular distribution of resources. Western European nations recognized that they'd have more global leverage is they consolidated their economic power, but that doesn't amount to an abdication of geopolitical borders. It's just an emphasis on some borders over others. And nationalism still plays a crucial role in the operation of the EU.

Rich people already do this.

Yup. And what does it mean to be rich? It means that you've expanded the range of resources that you're able to command.

The cosmopolitanism of the rich is a function of the geopolitical distribution of resources. Their interest in Germany, New York and Japan is predicated on their stake in the resources of those regions, not to mention in the comparatively poorer regions where their exploitation of cheaper labor stands in support of their wealth. The rich have the luxury of behaving as though national borders are no borders at all precisely because they resources that contribute to their wealth are demarcated by those very borders. If the cost of labor were the same in Malaysia as it is in the U.K., do you think as many people would be getting rich off of the production of athletic shoes? If certain regions of the world didn't depend more on their local stores of gallium than on other resources, do you think there'd be as much money to make on the production of consumer appliances? If certain countries didn't depend on the importation of basic necessities like grain, would the resources they produce be as cheap and readily available for the cosmopolitan rich to sell elsewhere in the world?

The super-rich are rich in part because they've learned to exploit national borders, not because those borders are an anachronism of a former age.

[–]xNIBx 0 points1 point ago

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The act of you buying that television set may seem independent of geography, but only because you're overlooking all of the geographically-dependent steps in the process. Your ability to buy that set is premised on your having a job, which depends on local availability. If you even want a television, then you most likely have a house or apartment, which is also dependent on the local availability of land

Not necessarily. You can work through the internet, in fact most office jobs can be done through the internet, except most employers dont trust their employees enough so work through the internet isnt that popular.

Also in my example where you have fast, cheap and restriction free travels, you can easily work and live anywhere in the world. This is a political and technological issue which can be solved(and in the case of EU, it has been solved).

Anyway, i agree with most of what you are saying but you are discussing the now and you are discussing the why local political interests exist. What i discussed is why national identities exist. I mean they exist because it is easier for local governments to use the nationalistic sentiment card in order to persuade the local population to follow them but that is stupid and it shouldnt have been the case in an ideal world.

Now regarding how the world would look if there was freedom of movement hypothesis. Personally i am a supporter of this. You cant have freedom of movement for the capital and restrict people of movement for the people. That's how you create entire countries of helots. You seem to assume that cheap is good. Cheap isnt good, high quality of life for as many people is possible is good(even if you have to limit the population of the earth). I find it crazy that some things are so cheap as they are.

And nationalism still plays a crucial role in the operation of the EU.

Of course it does but that isnt good and that shouldnt be necessary(in an ideal world).

The rich have the luxury of behaving as though national borders are no borders at all precisely because they resources that contribute to their wealth are demarcated by those very borders

Not necessarily. I could have a carpenter shop, making highly detailed/quality furniture from local wood, using local workers in a first world country. So i can make a fortune and be citizen of the world while not taking advantage of the economical differences between countries.

The super-rich are rich in part because they've learned to exploit national borders, not because those borders are an anachronism of a former age.

True but you dont have to be super rich in order to be cosmopolitan.

[–]Lucas_Steinwalker 0 points1 point ago

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A karass vs. a granfaloon.

[–]Ventas- 0 points1 point ago

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Have you ever seen Reddit's stance on tanned people, Digg, conservatives or women? The "in-group" mentality is very much alive and well on Reddit, you just don't hear from the "out-group" people on here.

[–]realdoe 7 points8 points ago

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Just make the borders big enough. Remember, it's us against these pesky martians ; )

[–]pipesthepipes 13 points14 points ago

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Getting rid of nationalism is like getting rid of racism.

A very good idea, then. I get that nationalism happened because of human tendencies, but so did racism. Maybe we will never rid ourselves completely of these things, but there can be progress.

But to say there musn't be borders is idealism that simply doesn't work in a real life situation.

I can think of plenty of historical examples of when borders disappeared, see Italy or Germany, which is similar.

[–]DoctorNose 5 points6 points ago

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People seem to think that the only borders that exist are national ones. It is a false belief. Germany still has a Hessen and a Bavaria. People still live in towns. Germany did not have a disappearance of borders. They created new ones.

[–]yet_another_username 2 points3 points ago

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Well... Hessen is at least... sort of Germany..

Bavaria is not. And the Bavarians are proud about that.

[–]Alofat 0 points1 point ago

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The rest of Germany is even prouder ...

[–]cptstimutacs 6 points7 points ago

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To say that we "naturally" have an in/out-group mentality is to say that we have evolved to have that mentality, no? What makes you think we can't evolve out of it? The clock is ticking, and has been for a few hundred years, for us to make that leap.

Humans will make borders only if the material conditions of their existence gives them a biological imperative to do so. We used to have that imperative, but the vast majority of us don't anymore. To ascribe our barbaric, neo-feudal behavior to a mystical "human nature" is straight up defeatism. It's in the nature of the oppressor, maybe, but definitely not the nature of the entire human race.

[–]GoatBased 9 points10 points ago

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Borders are essential for governing. A single world government would be incredibly inefficient and ineffective. You need nations, states, and city governments in order to address a variety of problems at each level.

Open boards are the future, kind of like we see in the EU, and I think that's great. It increases commerce and reduces isolationism, but local policies within the nation, state, and city can still be self-determined.

I think it's important to allow people in different places who may have different needs and preferences the ability to decide what policies are best for them, so long as they don't violate human rights in the process. If you find yourself being governed in a way you don't like, you can attempt to change your local policies or move to a place where the policies match your ideals.

[–]cptstimutacs 0 points1 point ago

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It's impossible to get meaningful change through established political institutions, and people definitely don't have free reign to move to any place where policies match their ideals. Nations have immigration restrictions, and what passes for democratic government today is a joke. Moving around to a place that agrees with your only ideals may make your individual life easier, but for our species at large it exacerbates the problem of unjust government, as the backwards country you come from only becomes more bellicose. If all the leftists moved out of America, the GOP would turn this place into a virtual Third Reich almost immediately.

I agree that everyone should be autonomous as possible, and political power decentralized to the point where it is no longer relevant.

[–]DoctorNose 3 points4 points ago

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No, we create borders for reasons beyond material conditions. We create them to protect forests, for peace of mind, to farm something we feel a connection to, to govern more locally and appropriately, and so on and so forth. Borders are often changed and expanded for material reasons, yes. But that doesn't mean it is their only purpose.

[–]cptstimutacs 6 points7 points ago

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Every reason you listed is a material condition.

[–]pitchblack2035 0 points1 point ago

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No, it's not defeatism. Behavioral ecology shows how animal and human behaviors have arisen over millions of year to help us survive the conditions at the time resulting in those behavior evolving along with the other traits that eventually resulted in offspring. But these behaviors were developed over MILLIONS of years. It'll take more than just a few hundred years to make that "leap." And it's not so much a leap as it is gradual changes over time.

[–]cptstimutacs 0 points1 point ago

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An evolutionary explanation of human behavior, showing that it has historically been a slow process, proves very little regarding our current social evolution. As our evolution has assumed an increasingly technological and social character, it has accelerated rapidly. Just because changes took millions of years in the past doesn't mean that they all have to take millions of years in the future. And if our species is going to make it in the long run, those changes need to be accelerated even more. That's why I call it defeatism.

[–]Fenris_uy 1 point2 points ago

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SO you will be ok with having borders within the 50 states of the US, right? Or isn't the fact that the US are 50 countries that act like one, the primary strength of the USA?

[–]fraencko 6 points7 points ago

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Why is a borderless world idealistic? Just because we are not used to the idea? Well, the United States were seperate once and unites, same with the EU. Turns out, it's working quite well.

I agree with aitioma here. Clans from my understanding are more like a group of families, tied together by being "near" to each other and defending against real dangers, while national borders are an artificial construct that have national identities as another artificial construct on top of it.

I for myself suppose I have far more in common with the average redditor than with the average German (I'm German), so this is a much more important part of my identity. I go with Schopenhauer here:

"The cheapest form of pride however is national pride. For it betrays in the one thus afflicted the lack of individual qualities of which he could be proud, while he would not otherwise reach for what he shares with so many millions. He who possesses significant personal merits will rather recognise the defects of his own nation, as he has them constantly before his eyes, most clearly. But that poor beggar who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, latches onto the last means of being proud, the nation to which he belongs to. Thus he recovers and is now in gratitude ready to defend with hands and feet all errors and follies which are its own."

[–]DoctorNose 5 points6 points ago

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In the United States, there are now over 50 state/territory borders, each of which contain a huge number of people determine themselves as from that state. I.e. "Texans". I live in Europe, and it is no different here. People may have created a larger state apparatus, but it didn't remove any borders. Just made different ones.

Edit: I don't disagree with aitioma in the sense that the borders are false constructs that cause problems and do not determine or connect with the people within them. That is not my argument at all. My argument is that we've created them for a specific reason fundamental to us as people, and that desire to create borders around ourselves, as individuals, groups or societies, can be witnessed in almost every aspect of our lives.

[–]TheWix 0 points1 point ago

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Nietzsche would agree with you although I do not have a quote at the moment to back that up. It is however reasons like this that I found most philosophy classes a waste of time. It is great to espouse ideas such as the philosopher king, the Golden Rule, enlightenment, or piety/holiness but does it really mean anything if humanity is completely incapable of making good use of any of them? I found Machiavelli to be the better representation of of humanity throughout history. We like to put ourselves on a pedestal but when it comes down to it we as a collective species we are not much better, if not worse, than most animals.

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Yeah, but rape is human nature. It is nice to say things such as "we shouldn't have rape", but it isn't like rape exists because we decided we needed some non-consensual sexual intercourse in our lives. It is because humans naturally have a rape mentality.

Getting rid of rape is like getting rid of racism. It exists ingrained in us from a time when you needed to differentiate between passing on genes and not passing on genes, not because it is currently good or beneficial.

But to say there musn't be rape is idealism that simply doesn't work in a real life situation. I can think of almost zero real-life examples. That implies that, in the real world, there must be rape because humans will quite simply do it.

Saying something is worth having around because it is close to instinct is not a good enough reason too keep something. Rape, and by your example borders are primal urges.

[–]aguynamedry 4 points5 points ago

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comments like this I make sure to log in so I can upboat

[–]DoctorNose 2 points3 points ago

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Thanks, but be prepared to join me in the world of downvotes for speaking unpopular realism.

[–]Aitioma 4 points5 points ago

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Defeatists statements that do not at all reflect reality.

Idealist, yes. It's neither impossible nor bad, though. You shouldn't equate your own limitations with those of others.

[–]DoctorNose 21 points22 points ago

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Please, show me an example of where such idealism has ever existed in the real world. Really, ever.

I am not equating my own limitations with those of others. That is a silly thing to draw from my post. I dislike nationalism as well, but I am a realist. Humans have had society for roughly 10,000 years, and even in the earliest days of history we've had borders. There is a hill next to my house that served as a border line between clans 6K years ago.

We separate towns, counties, states, countries, continents, oceans, etc. We're a categorizing people, and I'd love to see your argument against it that doesn't just try to pin me as a bad guy.

[–]PorkRocket 3 points4 points ago

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Saying groupthink is "human nature" is a cop-out; it ignores how human beings live and is an evasion of responsibility for one's actions.

Human nature is: "for an individual to survive, he must think, and act on his thoughts." Men don't have innate ideas; they learn ideas from others, or they generate new ideas based on previous ideas.

Collectivism, group mentality, etc. are all ideas and behaviors that have been acquired, but those ideas aren't bred into us -- it's flawed knowledge that has been propagated.

[–]ballpein 0 points1 point ago

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You're ignoring the fact that one of the threads in the history of human civilization has been a broadening of our "in-group": from family to tribe to clan to city-state to nation, and we are now becoming increasingly global. It may be true that xenophobia is "in our nature", but it is also in our nature to evolve and progress. Our history of doing so is quite remarkable, and there's no reason to think we won't continue to socially evolve.

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Yeah, but rape is human nature. It is nice to say things such as "we shouldn't have rape", but it isn't like rape exists because we decided we needed some sexual violence in our lives. It is because humans naturally have an urge to fuck mentality.

FTFY

[–]idders 15 points16 points ago

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Patriotism = Nationalism lite

[–]rmxz 2 points3 points ago

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In the same way that Department of Defense is Department of War lite?

[–]Golden_Kumquat 2 points3 points ago

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It's just as stupid and worthless as religion

I assume you mean religious fanaticism?

[–]Aitioma 0 points1 point ago

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No, I mean all forms of willful ignorance and irrational group ideologies, that includes all organized religion I know of.

[–]PilotPirx 2 points3 points ago

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I'm German too. In general I agree with you, if you look at it from a strictly political view. But you should see as well, that for many people 'patriotism' is more a kind of 'team spirit' thing. It's not about 'our values to rule the world'.

Though the tea party movement (as one example, there are similar trends in other countries) show how easily such feelings can be used in the wrong direction.

[–]two_hundred_and_left 3 points4 points ago

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So, I was thinking about this fairly recently and I decided that patriotism is a bit like being proud of one's parents or family. Of course I don't honestly think that my parents are the best parents in the world, or even in the top, say, hundred thousand on any kind of vaguely objective sale one might come up with. But I'm still proud of them, and I still think fondly of them and 'support' them, whatever that means, in a way that I don't think of random strangers even if I can see that those strangers have excellent parenting skills.

In a similar way, I don't honestly think that my country is 'the best' in any real sense - but I still don't feel guilty for being proud of my Britishness. Sure, every positive quality of Britain probably balances against a positive one of Germany - or whatever country you want to compare it to - but that's not the point. Hearing that you have great parents doesn't make me any less proud of my own.

Of course, many people don't take patriotism that way and it does become the belief that their country is objectively best - or worse, a way of putting down other countries by comparison. But I still think it's possible to have a feeling of patriotism while remaining true to generally sensible liberal-type ideals, and that's what I try for.

[–]Cilpot 1 point2 points ago

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I basically agree with you, but I still like that I can celebrate something together with the community/society in which I live. It makes me feel like belonging to a society, where we all aim for many of the same goals. That society is something more than every man for himself.

Of course, this doesn't have to be "nationalism" per se, it's just the most natural to think about when we think "society".

[–]jinglebells 2 points3 points ago

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The bouts of chanting USA! USA! in the recent news was particularly nauseating.

[–]px403 3 points4 points ago*

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I disagree!

Patriotism and nationalism are VERY different and the problem comes when assholes today are unable to tell the difference.

Nationalism is just a different flavor of racism or sexism. It's the ridiculous notion that one person is inherently a better person just because they were born in a certain country.

It turns out that you can be proud of who you are without hating or dehumanizing people who are different. I am a patriotic American. I love this country, which is WHY I support things like the dream act so that people have an easier time moving here.

It's sad that some people feel inadequate, and when they need to find some excuse for why they feel bad, they end up blaming the first people that they see and don't know well. They then try to justify why they are bad people using anything they can, sexuality, race, nationality, but it's all just one big self deceiving lie so they don't have to admit to themselves that they fucked their own lives up.

I contend that this circle jerk of hatred has nothing to do with national pride, except for the bullshit when nationalists try to convince others that nationalism is the same thing as patriotism, and therefore if you love your country, you are obliged to hate people who are different.

Pride is about self reflection and empowerment, not about trying to find reasons why you are better than everyone else.

edit : special request for downvoters to explain themselves? what exactly is controversial about any of this?

[–]Aitioma 2 points3 points ago

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It turns out that you can be proud of who you are

Yes.

I am a patriotic American

You are a human who happens to live in the place you live.

I contend that this circle jerk of hatred has nothing to do with national pride

Patriotism = your country is better than other countries.

It's a ridiculous ideology. It's granfalloonery.

It should be: Let's all talk to make the best for everyone, my country is only a small part of this planet and we are all responsible for the whole thing.

[–]px403 4 points5 points ago*

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That is not what patriotism is though. I'm a patriotic American, and I have lots of friends that are patriotic Japanese, patriotic Canadians, patriotic French, and even patriotic Germans. We all think our countries are awesome, but that doesn't mean that we think less of any other countries.

Awesome isn't a zero sum game. I can be a patriotic American, and still love hanging out in Japan. What you are defining is nationalism, a totally different concept, and a plague on humanity.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Patriot

What about that implies that a patriot needs to think that their country is somehow intrinsically superior to others?

[–]gillisthom 2 points3 points ago

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Every time I visit the US I'm always struck the amount of American flags everywhere, all free spaces and surfaces teeming with them. Sometimes you wonder if it's to remind people which country they're currently in, lest they forget.

[–]MasterGolbez 3 points4 points ago

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go to Texas.... most flags you see won't be US flags

[–]ThyZAD 5 points6 points ago

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Nationalism/Patriotism are pathetic constructs that need to be abandoned.

but how else do you get people to stop asking questions, and do what you tell them without thinking about it?

[–]qazz 3 points4 points ago

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I grew up there in the late 60's . no one asked/talked about your religion at all or politics except in the most banal way.

[–]hypermog 1 point2 points ago

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So there'd be nothing to kill or die for... and no religion too?

[–]AKASquared 2 points3 points ago

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U! S! A!

U! S! A!

U! S! A!

Say it, foreigner! If it it weren't for us, you'd speak... well, you'd speak it more than you already do!

[–]AKASquared 2 points3 points ago

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I like how I leave a post parodying nationalist posturing, and I get two replies consisting of nationalist posturing about how America doesn't really deserve any credit.

[–]XavierMendel 6 points7 points ago

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If it weren't for the communist Soviet Union, us Americans would be speaking German.

Problem, Republicans?

[–]HorpiDorpi 22 points23 points ago

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If it weren't for US supplies, communist Soviet Union would be speaking German.

Problem, partially-informed wikipedia historian?

[–]Nervette 6 points7 points ago

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If it weren't for both sides being willing to work together to defeat a common enemy, an alliance fueled by Japanese antagonism and Hitler's greed, neither of you would get to say that! (Also, would we be speaking German or Japanese? Because the Japanese would have inherited the research from the Manhattan project, thus putting them into the race for the atomic bomb, no? ((Also also, doesn't Churchill get credit for helping out this alliance, and promoting a germany first strategy for the US?))

YAY HISTORY!

[–]casual_k 0 points1 point ago

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What about WWI?

How far back are you willing to go?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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WE MUST GO DEEPER

[–]HorpiDorpi 0 points1 point ago

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I never intended my comment to state that the effort of all involved nations was not important.

My intent was to counter the perception often seen on reddit that the US did nothing of importance while Russia single-handedly defeated the Axis powers.

[–]Nervette 0 points1 point ago

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And my comment was really just me history nerding out, and ending the cycle of trolling by asking "PROBLEM?" at the end, but cheering for all three of us for our differing interpretations, and history for being fun to study and discuss. =(

[–]HorpiDorpi 1 point2 points ago

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Jolly good show, chap.

[–]jimjimgreen 1 point2 points ago*

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British supplies

FTFY there. From 1941-1945, Britain managed to ship supplies six months of the year to Murmansk and Archangel, at the request of Zhukov. It brought Churchill and Stalin closer together.

Also, don't friggin forget the Battle of Britain. If Hitler hadn't got bored with our defences and moved on to Russia, "we'd all be speaking German under the flag of Japan..."

EDIT: changed some names

[–]starlinguk 3 points4 points ago

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Where does this notion come from that we'd all be speaking German? The Nazis never forced anyone to speak German. The countries they invaded kept their own language.

[–]jimjimgreen 1 point2 points ago

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I guess it's just shorthand for Nazi oppression. But I mean, the Second World War could have been won and lost on so many points, that discussions about "well, we would have lost if it wasn't for the Russian snipers in Stalingrad" or "if von Paulus hadn't redirected his armies blah blah". This speculative kind of history doesn't help anybody. Nothing's inevitable. Keep it to sci-fi

[–]munky_g 0 points1 point ago

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If it wasn't for us barbarians, you'd still be speaking Latin...

[–]HorpiDorpi 0 points1 point ago

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Combined US, British, and Canadian supplies.

I never intended my comment to mean that the contributions of others were not crucial and pivotal to the Allies during the war -- Especially something as astoundingly important as the Battle of Britain.

I only meant to counter the ill-informed opinion often seen in comments on reddit proposing that Russia single-handedly won the war, while the US and others held a nominal role at best.

As others have stated within this thread, it was contributions great and small from many nations combined which won the war -- a lack of any of which could very well have resulted in defeat.

[–]seagramsextradrygin 0 points1 point ago

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I agree and this is why I love sports. We have (at least I do) some basic human need for blind, stupid loyalty. Sports is a perfect outlet for it. I love my teams the way some people love their political parties/countries/leaders, except there are no poor consequences to my blind loyalty.

[–]NoobHUNTER777 0 points1 point ago

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We Brits have the right idea, then.

[–]realdoe 0 points1 point ago

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I'm German too. And I see it like this guy.

[–]downthestairs 2 points3 points ago

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Not entirely true. Whilst most of Germany feels little sense of Patriotism outside of sporting events, Bavaria, the largest and one of the oldest states, is in fact very patriotic. In Bavaria it is quite common to have Bavarian flags all across the state and the typical Bavarian will have a great sense of identification and patriotism, especially in southern Bavaria or "old Bavaria". If you had to, one could compare this local patriotism with that of Texas, which is founded in a much older relationship with the former Monarchy of the Kingdom of Bavaria.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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TIL Texas was founded in a much older relationship with the former Monarchy of the Kingdom of Bavaria

[–]HenkieVV 1 point2 points ago

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And even that's a fairly new development. It wasn't until 2006 that waving a flag about in a football-related context became "normal".

[–]27pH 1 point2 points ago

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Denmark here. Whenever we see a flag say something like "whose birthday is it?". We use the flag all the time for celebrations and put it everywhere, even on napkins so you can wipe your face with it. Tourists may find it a bit weird but we don't see it as a patriotic symbol as such but more of a decoration (except when it's an actual flag on a pole, then you take care of it).

[–]sendinthefrowns 4 points5 points ago

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Germans are like a finely cut mullet. Business upfront, party at the back.

[–]juan_dale 98 points99 points ago

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Upvoted for the tiny Texas and confederate flags.

Edit: I can't English good.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points ago

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I upvote anything Texas.

[–]MasculistMan 9 points10 points ago

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Good votin', Tex!

[–]WindKin 6 points7 points ago

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Not sure if you are aware, but that red flag with the two crossing stripes (confederate?) is known outside the US mainly as the Racism Flag. :P

It's the flag people use when they're too chicken to fully don the KKK uniform and the nazi armbands.

[–]broden 2 points3 points ago

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is known outside the US mainly as the Racism Flag. :P

No, it is not. Where are you from then?

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[–]worldnick 0 points1 point ago

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Sad. I grew up in southern California and back then we learned that the civil war was because the north wanted to end slavery and the south wanted to keep their slave labor.

[–]emtent 10 points11 points ago

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It's considered the racism flag by pretty much everyone I know here in America too.

[–]ragaraga 10 points11 points ago

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I'm from Texas, and we call it the Rebel flag, and it is seen as a symbol of pride and Southern heritage, when the Southern states rose up in rebellion against the North in the spirit of the American Revolution to dissolve the bonds of political union in the face of tyranny against State's Rights to conduct their economic affairs without oppressive interference from the Feds.

Well, that's the propaganda. Of course the specific economic activity that was being encroached on by the Feds was slavery, and lack of respect of the Feds for the property rights of the southern planters, where the property in question was slaves. The Texas Articles of Succession go into all of this, and it is disgusting in its racism.

[–]IrrigatedPancake 11 points12 points ago

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It's the flag people use when they're too chicken to fully don the KKK uniform and the nazi armbands.

The fuck?

[–]WindKin 7 points8 points ago

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Indeed. In many parts of europe, it has become a flag that says "I'm xenophobic, and I think all niggers should be slaves". Very popular among people who have an above average interest in older cars.

[–]ultranoodles 1 point2 points ago

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Well, where I live, it means you are proud to be from the south. Dukes of Hazard woo! That sort of thing. PS i live in the southeast US.

[–]worldnick 0 points1 point ago

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But it is the flag the south flew when they thought they had to give up slavery and specifically because of that. There was basically no other reason for the war or the flag.

[–]ultranoodles 0 points1 point ago

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Symbols change. That said, most that fly it proudly are uneducated

[–]IrrigatedPancake 0 points1 point ago

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Good god. How are you that historically ignorant?

[–]worldnick 0 points1 point ago

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So you are going to defend slavery and bring God into this all at the same time in some attempt to prove some tangled southern logic that has been brewing amongst you and whatever group of friends you have for however many years. Go fuck yourself for that IrrigatedPancake. Thanks.

[–]guestHD 0 points1 point ago

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Outside of the southern US, many (most) people associate the Confederate flag with racism and slavery.

[–]IrrigatedPancake 0 points1 point ago

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More evidence for my theory that people in many parts of Europe are dumb.

[–]Golden_Kumquat 1 point2 points ago

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That must suck if you were a Burgundian nationalist.

[–]avdpt 1 point2 points ago

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If it were a TRULY accurate reflection of American flag-waving, it'd have people waving South Carolina flag as well. They're probably the only people who love their flag more than Texas (there are just fewer of them).

[–]judokalinker 41 points42 points ago

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Except that you would also see that headline in Germany.

[–]Portly 23 points24 points ago

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Humon did a pretty good comic about it I think

[–]Mattistehwinnar 62 points63 points ago

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An MS paint comic that doesn't feel the need to be a rageface comic? Take all of my upvotes.

[–]bAZtARd 13 points14 points ago

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[–]Mattistehwinnar 9 points10 points ago

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Yeah, but not one that's been beaten to death.

[–]simohayha 3 points4 points ago

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It's been on 4chan for years. Only natural reddit picks it up

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Oh nice, another meme turned shit.

[–]holocarst 2 points3 points ago

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Not here, but on Krautchans /int/ board

[–]randomsnark 2 points3 points ago

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But this comic forgot Poland

[–]Farns 15 points16 points ago

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la*

[–]Syriom 7 points8 points ago

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La France, merci! trop de "le" sur reddit.

[–]propagationofsound 4 points5 points ago

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Troller est une art.

[–]ka3p0ra 1 point2 points ago

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J'ai fait un ctrl+f spécialement pour voir si quelqu'un d'autre avait remarqué...

[–]amosbr 5 points6 points ago

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I think Germany is one of the finest democracies in the world right now, but I can understand why this might make some people sweat..

[–]theghostofme 5 points6 points ago

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Well? Do sheep's bowel movements affect earthquakes?

[–]767 6 points7 points ago

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Polandball comics, I love them :)

[–]vetmode 3 points4 points ago

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A fellow Krautchan user? Greetings and upvotes to you, my friend.

[–]DieJudenfrage 2 points3 points ago

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Hurray!

[–]767 0 points1 point ago

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Krautchan user and a big fan of Krautchan in deed. Upvotes to you too. :)

[–]ViP_Suite 16 points17 points ago

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DAE think Germany is wearing a ninja headband?

[–]Hyro0o0 1 point2 points ago

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No worries, it's just Schwarz Bruder.

[–]cloud4197 2 points3 points ago

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Ninja nazis eh? Those cunning Huns! We better make a move on them quick or the next thing you know well all be speaking Karate!

[–]Horst665 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, I do! Proudly so! :D

[–]TraptInaCommentFctry 14 points15 points ago

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once twice bitten, thrice shy

[–]Ceiba 10 points11 points ago

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A sheep's bowel movement totally affects earthquakes.

[–]netshroud 2 points3 points ago

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I came here to say this, but it was already said :(

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Anyone noticed the glorious polish "kurwa" in the last line of blablabla?

[–]metacoma 2 points3 points ago

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vive LA france...

[–]Vesperidone 1 point2 points ago

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I haven't seen these little guys in a long time! Poland ball was my favorite!

[–]milknosugar 5 points6 points ago

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You mean this little fellah? My favourite one by far.

[–]croutonicus 1 point2 points ago

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All is see is Voltorb.

[–]tiexano 1 point2 points ago

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Apart from displays of national pride including waving the flag are rather controversial in Germany, and apart from foreign reactions to this toned-down patriotism usually are to loosen the fuck up , and apart from that I think the problem is rather other countries who could really do with less blowing their own horn, apart from all that, How did this remind you on Fox News? Who is Fox News in this story? Is Fox News the American ball waving the flag? Is it the Germans being unjustly framed? Is Fox News the newspaper? What is it? TL;DR

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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French people use the term chauvinist for someone who is the equivalent of 'murica, fuck yea' in their country. Hardly anyone really knows the national anthem. This is wrong on many levels.

/American student who took a class of French.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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LA France.

[–]pateyhfx 1 point2 points ago

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Most of the German population didn't vote for Hitler. I think he only had about 33% when he was appointed as chancellor by a reluctant Hindenburg.

Not every German was a Nazi, many were coerced into cooperating. The final election (after Hitler was already in control), the NSDAP received around 43% of the vote - meaning 57% of the country didn't vote for them.

[–]munky9001 1 point2 points ago

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USA certainly seems to be the one moving toward the Nazi sort of thing. They are actively arresting, harassing, and sometimes killing mexicans largely in Arizona area right now. The general move to a police state and building detention camps in many places around the usa. Largely speaking the whole event hasnt sparked yet because hatred is split between mexicans and arabs(terrorists). The moment they pull out of the middle east and arabs arent much of a target for hatred. It's going to be the same shit all over again... "Mexicans and other immigrants are what are ruining the country" it's going to get very bad.

As a non-american I'm not going to the usa.

[–]arichi 3 points4 points ago

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Sie werden sich hinsetzen, Sie werden ruhig sein, Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland

[–]kwood09 10 points11 points ago

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Sie werden Deutschland nicht beleidigen

FTFY

[–]kolm 6 points7 points ago

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DER HERR ABGEORDNETE TUT GUT DARAN, SICH ZU SETZEN!

[–]heroofhyr 4 points5 points ago

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Can you go back in time and fix the dialogue in the original cartoon? While you're there, please make the past two seasons funny too.

[–]themali 4 points5 points ago

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[–]squaretwo 2 points3 points ago

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More comics like this; I'm getting sick of rage comics using the same fucking faces.

[–]youstolemyname 3 points4 points ago

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Germany and Nationalism just don't mix.

[–]woohhaa 2 points3 points ago

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The problem with German nationalism is they tend to take it just a little to far. They're all like man we are freakin awesome, lets go make Poland and France awesome too! Next thing you know the entire world is like wooaahh there Germany you need to slow your awesome roll, but Germany is like fuck that shit and they call their boys. Never ends well for anyone involved.

[–]Spiro_Agnew -1 points0 points ago

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German nationalism is ethnic nationalism, American nationalism is ideological nationalism. I would much rather have the latter.

[–]BeefyWeef 3 points4 points ago

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|German nationalism was ethnic nationalism 65 years ago

FTFY

[–]turd_flop_down_mleg 0 points1 point ago

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Too soon!

[–]GuanoTail 0 points1 point ago

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Anybody know who made this?

[–]lmnoPoop 0 points1 point ago

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Source?

[–]Jubeii 2 points3 points ago

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google 'Polandball'

[–]buckykat 0 points1 point ago

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reminds me of this

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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On the other hand though, you have an economy, so let's call it even.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Did anyone else notice Germany looks like a super minimal Mickey Mouse?

[–]boywizard 0 points1 point ago

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DO SHEEP'S BOWEL MOVEMENTS AFFECT EARTHQUAKES?

Cake suggests a link between bowel movements and earthquakes due to doubt and remorse.

[–]Chime- 0 points1 point ago

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This reminds me of this Scandinavia and the World comic.

[–]wolfchimneyrock 0 points1 point ago

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I am staying in Germany right now. The only place that I really see many German flags and American-style over the top nationalism displays are in some of their allotment gardens).

[–]Naota10 0 points1 point ago

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Haven't seen any Poland ball stuff in a while.

[–]mattattaque 0 points1 point ago

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haha funny stuff, but it's "Vive *la France" actually.

[–]ithrowitontheground 0 points1 point ago

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I couldn't laugh because Spain is saying "we go".

[–]madmonty98 0 points1 point ago

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Do sheep's bowel movements affect earthquakes? Never hear that before.

[–]doctoraw 0 points1 point ago

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FYI In Spain is the same.

In Spain was also a dictatorial regime that used the flag and talked about 'the real Spanish people' and shit like this till 1975.

But in Spain there are legal fascist groups, political parties, ...

[–]Huntsville 0 points1 point ago

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Hey, I mean, shouldn't have killed all them people who weren't like you and you wouldn't have such a bad rap.

[–]PnunnedZerggie 0 points1 point ago

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Well, at least Germany can into space.

[–]DegenerateMaverick 0 points1 point ago

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I myself would like to know more if sheep's bowel movements really do affect earthquakes.

[–]f3rn4ndrum5 0 points1 point ago

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For future use, copy this text an paste it into an email, mail it to yourself and save into a folder.

á é í ó ú Á É Í ÓÚ ü Ü ñ Ñ

(not a spaniard)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Hoho, someone was on /int/ for the first time today.

One tip of advice - apparently, you should keep /new/ out of /int/, even if no one does it. I keep getting banned for that shit.

[–]Theinternationalist 0 points1 point ago

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One little Austrian spoils it for everyone...

[–]slotbadger 0 points1 point ago

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We have this in England too, a bit. If anyone flies the St George's Flag when England aren't involved in a sporting tournament of some kind, then they might be a racist.

[–]rillegas08 0 points1 point ago

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This reminds me of Axis Powers: Hetalia

[–]lightleaks 0 points1 point ago

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As a Texan, I strongly approve of the little Texas on USA's back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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"Do sheep bowel movements affect earthquakes" that would be something fox news would say

[–]Sarahmint 0 points1 point ago

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People who always post this $hit of foxnews, NEVER WATCH Fox News.

[–]karlhungis 0 points1 point ago

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A country has one, tiny little Hitler, a long time ago... and nobody lets them live it down.

[–]VapeApe 0 points1 point ago

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But hey, Nazis were scary. They're so scary we're still watching them on television and in video games. They're so scary we're actually scared of Nazi zombies. Would you be scared of a french or italian zombie? Probably, but not as scared you'd be of a fucking NAZI zombie.

[–]zyedy[!] 0 points1 point ago

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Consider yourself lucky that you've learned the dangers of nationalism the hard way, then. America has yet to learn.

Also, I think you mean viva espana?

[–]_Tyler_Durden_ 0 points1 point ago

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Indeed, out of context references for the utterly false analogy used to build an appeal to false victim status is a very typical MO for FOX News.

[–]FreeBeerandHotWings 0 points1 point ago

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Fitting that texas and the confederacy are 2 cancerous growths on the head of the United States.

[–]hawaiianrule 0 points1 point ago

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Fuck Germany. They are nothing but a bunch of racists. Especially that cunt Angela Merkel.