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[–]hitlersshit 131 points132 points ago

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Also the figures are wrong...look at the real figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[–]abnc 15 points16 points ago

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This definitely needs more attention.

[–]egamer01 18 points19 points ago

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no This! need more attentions. best sniper ever.

[–]Dirty_Harold 12 points13 points ago

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If the Soviet military nicknames you "White Death"... you are a certified bad ass.

[–]Grotsnot 155 points156 points ago*

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Well, first off, a pedantic point. They were not a "direct" result of The Great Purge. It was an indirect result because the surviving leadership was grossly incompetent and because Stalin used soldiers with no cold weather training for fear of Finland sympathizers.

Second, it's not fair to blame WWII-era Finland for being "allies" with Germany. It's not like they liked the Nazis, they just had nowhere else to turn. The rest of Scandinavia was set on Neutrality (aside from some arms sales) and the Allied Powers were schmoozing up the Soviets to flank the looming Nazi threat. So when the USSR starts muscling in on Finland, they had nowhere to turn for aid other than Germany.

So they have 2 options:

  • Take aid from "the enemy of my enemy"

  • Take a moral stand against the Nazis, the extent of whose crimes had yet to be revealed, and take the Quisling route, letting your country be annexed by a brutal dictator.

Finland was, like Poland, stuck between two of the most brutal, murderous regimes in history. It's unfair to make moral judgments for accepting assistance from the one that wasn't actively invading them.

Also, the Finns never actually invaded Russia during the Continuation War. They just took back what was theirs before the Winter War. The refusal of the Finns to participate in the siege of Leningrad strained their relations with Germany to the point that Mannerheim had to make a personal plea to Hitler for Germany to resume aid when the Soviets counter-attacked.

There's enough "Fuck yeah" to go around simply for their stubborn refusal to simply roll over to Stalin's (outrageous) demands.

[–]ryanr345 57 points58 points ago

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Add to that the fact that Finland actually protected its Jews.

[–]TMoneytron 9 points10 points ago

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Again, it wasn't just the purges. The military was relatively unscathed compared to the intelligentsia and the NKVD.

It was the general political NATURE of the military that emerged under Stalin's fear of a Bonapartist counterrevolution within the military. "The most debilitating effect of the purges was the sharp change they signaled in the balance of power between the military and the politicians. After a decade of attempts by the military to win greater independence from political control, the purges brought back close political supervision and intervention...The result was the triumph of military illiteracy over military science." Richard Overy, Russia's War.

[–]Grotsnot 6 points7 points ago

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You have an excellent point about the nature of the Red Army after the purges. I had not considered the psycho-political effect of the purges before, so thank you!

However, at least according to what I could find in a quick search, most of the High Command and something like 80% of the field commanders were also purged. Considering the Soviets had absurd amounts of men to throw at their problems, you could consider this "relatively unscathed" in terms of manpower, but the lack of competent leadership strongly contributed to the heavy casualties suffered by the Red Army on the Eastern Front.

[–]KCAugg 3 points4 points ago

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Also, the Finns never actually invaded Russia during the Continuation War. They just took back what was theirs before the Winter War.

Another pedantic comment, but they actually went beyond their former borders to create a small buffer zone. And in the north, German units based in Finland went into Soviet territory in an attempt to cut the Murmansk railway.

Even so, the very restricted conduct of Finland during both conflicts made it clear that they only had defensive intentions in mind. If Finland had taken a more aggressive stance and coordinated their actions more fully with Germany's, there's little doubt that Leningrad would have fallen no later than 1942—a possibly war changing scenario.

Instead, because Finland refused to cooperate fully, Leningrad tied down a substantial number of Axis forces for years, thus excluding them from the more fluid and consequential events farther afield. In the vitally important months leading up to the Soviet's counterstroke at Stalingrad, the lack of Finnish support influenced the German High Command's decision to begin transferring the newly freed 11th (?) Army and other various units from the recently subdued Crimea northwards to Leningrad. This move couldn't have come at a worse time as it coincided with the vastly expanding Southern Front becoming increasingly overextended, and the order eventually had to be rescinded to prevent a complete rout of these forces in the wake of the Soviet's Stalingrad offensive. If Finland's recalcitrance hadn't prompted the shifting of these forces northwards and instead seen them turned into an operational or strategic reserve for the South, it's very likely that Soviet's "Operation Uranus" would have been no more successful than its sister operation "Mars" against A.G. Center; even if German forces nevertheless became surrounded in Stalingrad, these substantial reserves could have ensured that it did not deteriorate into a situation any more serious than the preceding Demjansk pocket—a German protrusion that eventually turned into an isolated "kessel" during the Soviet winter offensive of 1941, but was successfully resupplied by air during its months long entrapment until its final relief by coordinated actions of German units both inside and outside the pocket in the spring of 1942.

Additionally, Leningrad's continued resistance offered psychological benefits to the Soviets and remained a rallying point for them up until and beyond the eventual lifting of the siege. For these reasons some people wonder if it is even accurate to consider Finland an ally of Germany during the first years of the war, and instead prefer to connote it with the status of co-belligerent.

In the end though, although reality played out reasonably favorable for Finland, I would be tempted to posit that it would have been in Finland's best interests to cooperate more fully with the Germans; Bulgaria, who despite being a member of the Axis Pact maintained a strict neutrality with the Soviet Union and never declared war on or sent forces against it, was nevertheless invaded by the Soviet Union when it swept through the Balkans in late 1944. Even if Finland had not even attempted to regain its newly lost territories, I doubt its ostensible neutrality would have deterred the Soviet Union from eventually either arm-twisting Finland into agreeing to unpalatable terms (such as a substantial increase in Soviet forces stationed in Finland—previously isolated to a few small islands, and, if I recall, possibly a small detachment in Helsinki—and use of airstrips, ports, et cetera) or opportunistically invading, at least in part, the country to preempt any actions by Germany, secure certain strategic locations, or to put pressure on German-occupied Norway.

Finland's success may have owed a lot to adroit politicking and maneuvering on the part of Mannerheim, but I still think most would agree that Finland's status as being the only former Russian territory to escape reincorporation into the Soviet Union was largely due to a streak of serendipitous luck—although that didn't mean Fate went easy on them! I just believe that sometimes to ensure one's freedom and independence, one must make proactive decisions instead of constantly trying to parry others actions.

[–]MyHeadIsFullOfFuck 25 points26 points ago

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Many russian soldiers simply starved or froze to death

Picture of frozen Russian soldiers in Finland NSFW

[–]AirRaven 5 points6 points ago

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That picture's going to haunt my nightmares for the rest of my life.

Poor sods. =\

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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NSFL

FTFY

[–]pyres 4 points5 points ago

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Worst cubicle ever

[–]feureau 5 points6 points ago

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the Finlandization during the Cold War. A period, I might add, that is still ongoing.

Can you elaborate on this a bit further?

Just a bit, not too much.

[–]bigkr88 2 points3 points ago

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Seconded, what is this Finlandization you speak of?

[–]Ze_Carioca 6 points7 points ago

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It was a period where Finland bent over backward for the USSR. Criticism of the USSR in Finland was not permitted. Basically they were afraid of the Soviets and kinda sucked up to them.

[–]juke_the_stats 6 points7 points ago*

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I disagree. The Winter War showed unconventional thinking and fortitude against a vastly superior force (look at many of the Low Countries who simply gave up when the Germans rolled through town). So much so that it's still studied as an example at war colleges -- specifically the Battle of Suomussalmi.

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points ago

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This rant needs more upboats. There were no super soldiers in Finland that time. High casualties were caused by Stalins poor leadership. Overview of the situation in one minute

[–]blubinx 230 points231 points ago

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except him

[–]unmatching_socks 62 points63 points ago*

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Holy shit! Over 700 confirmed kills

Over 700 kill streak, not bad (inappropriate, I know)

Edit: spelling

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points ago*

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During 500 100 days with 5 hours daylight per day using iron sights.

[–]DiggerW 10 points11 points ago

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linked wiki states all kills were in less than 100 (still in those conditions)

[–]NorthernerWuwu 9 points10 points ago

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100 days actually. 500 days wouldn't work out so well for the short daylight periods.

[–]Jokrmein 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah but after the first 25, he could pick the rest off with a chopper gunner.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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First 11?

[–]aligordonx 8 points9 points ago

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And he lived to be 92 with half a face - dude got baaaaaaaaaaaals

[–]srs_house 24 points25 points ago

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dude got baaaaaaaaaaaals

He has ancient Middle Eastern pagan deities?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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December 17, 1905 – April 1, 2002 is not 92.

Math fail.

[–]cygnusness 13 points14 points ago

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You're right, it's -97.

[–]tq92 3 points4 points ago

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-97

? So he's Benjamin Button?

[–]SpiderHands 29 points30 points ago

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Camping bastard

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

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When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said "I did what I was told to as well as I could."

[–]besvr 3 points4 points ago

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Damn, his kills vs deaths is amazing.

[–]imran7 4 points5 points ago

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700 kill streak... i guess he never used his nuke.

[–]Probably_Retarded 18 points19 points ago

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MOSIN NAGANT, NO EXCEPTIONS.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

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Those who were not as good snipers as Simo Häyhä used Lahti L-39 as sniper rifle.

The gun was also widely used in the "Cold Charlie" technique, where the Finns would use a mannequin to pose as an officer sloppily covering himself, Soviet snipers would fire upon it, and the Finns would use the Lahti L-39 to fire at the Soviet sniper.

.50 cal Barrett M107 looks like toy gun against 20mm L-39, don't you think :)

[–]hymen_destroyer 2 points3 points ago

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Well the L-39 was developed as an anti-tank rifle which just happened to find a second life as a sniper rifle after tank armor became too thick to penetrate. IIRC the M109 was a purpose-built sniper rifle. Even so, a 20mm sniper rifle is totally badass.

[–]tq92 2 points3 points ago

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It was nicknamed "Norsupyssy" ("Elephant Gun")

I read that as "Norse pussy"

[–]Bulgarin 4 points5 points ago

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I have one...Its amazing.

Proof: http://imgur.com/zpKzR

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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago*

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and him and him.

[–]dfritsch86 13 points14 points ago

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Well, there was one super soldier...

[–]derezzed19 29 points30 points ago

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It was a combination of a lot of those things. The Finns knew well in advance that, if they were going to be fighting a war, it would be on their soil and thus on their terms. Though I mostly agree with you, the end of the war was anything but restraint on the part of the Soviet Union. The Soviets never really wanted to annex Finland: they just wanted control of the Karelian Isthmus and other small territories in Finland. This was mainly because they thought that Germany would bully Finland into an alliance, or invade them outright (Stalin had pretty much figured out that shit would eventually go south with Hitler), and they thought that having these territories, and building bases in them, would provide an adequate buffer to counteract this threat (the Finnish border was less than 20 miles from Leningrad; if the Germans occupied or moved through Finland they could easily bombard Leningrad from behind their own lines). Although, as you said, key Finnish cities were captured, the Russians were being bled dry. They really didn't want to go to war with Finland in the first place, but, since Finland was staunch in their neutrality, felt that they were forced to.

Lastly, those figures in the original picture are very generous...The average consensus is about 125,000 dead for the Soviets.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points ago

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The Soviets never really wanted to annex Finland

Ahem. There were Russian language traffic signs for the streets of Helsinki among the stuff that Finns captured from the Soviet army. Stalin simply thought that Finland would fall just like that and it would be annexed. Winter War was big wake up call for Stalin. Germany and Soviet Union had divided East Europe between them in the secret The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and Finland belonged to Soviet Union.

[–]thecave 9 points10 points ago

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You don't think the USSR's "leniency" had anything to do with the fear of massive casualties in the final push to conquer the country based on the previous massacre?

The Red Army was poorly prepared for war, but there's little doubt that Finland was seriously dedicated to giving them every kind of hell.

[–]ludovico_treatment 8 points9 points ago

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Stalin didn't "show restraint", he was in a hurry to get to Berlin and occupy half of Europe. We were able to put enough of a fight to make him decide that Helsinki wasn't worth it, and the forces needed to take Finland would be of more value deployed elsewhere.

[–]pseudocide 26 points27 points ago

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Mannerheim was a serious badass, and Stalin seriously didn't give a shit about casualties

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[–]lacesoutdan 27 points28 points ago

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FINNISH HIM.

[–]Twotest 28 points29 points ago

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[–]thejumbles 243 points244 points ago

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the winter war produced superbadass Simo Häyhä

[–]bigbourbon 77 points78 points ago

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Legendary k/d ratio.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points ago

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If he were on xbox live, he would've been banned.

[–]bigbourbon 16 points17 points ago

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Ridiculous use of aim bot. He would have so been banned.

[–]getdeambalamps 21 points22 points ago

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The guy had a freaking 700 something k/d. Sandy Ravage has nothing on this guy.

[–]bigbourbon 16 points17 points ago

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I bet he was spawn camping like a mother fucker.

[–]ThatHandsomeDevil 10 points11 points ago

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No scoping badass, really.

[–]charley_patton 118 points119 points ago

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the only thing the internet loves more than cat gifs is Simo Häyhä

[–]thecave 5 points6 points ago

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True. But is there no movie? He should be the byword for lethal reprisal.

[–]charley_patton 9 points10 points ago

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I imagine it'd be pretty boring. He said himself he sat in one spot for days at a time.

[–]thecave 4 points5 points ago

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True of almost every real life hero turned screen icon.

[–]Mackinstyle 87 points88 points ago

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Basically 1 guy cleared out half the soviet force because of godmode hacks.

[–]thieving_magpie 9 points10 points ago

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Came to see if someone posted Simo, well done.

[–]reddithatesjews28 21 points22 points ago

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The great thing about reddit and history is that memory retention is important when learning history facts. Without all these reposts, it would be so hard to remember this guys name.

[–]rougegoat 8 points9 points ago

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I dunno...last name is sorta like laughing...and he probably did that on the day he killed 25 Russians, while screaming between shots "BOOM HEADSHOT". That's how I remember his name.

[–]madeintheuk 5 points6 points ago

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Mothafluffin white death.

[–]seriousbsns 8 points9 points ago

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Can anyone tell me how to pronounce this warriors name?

EDIT: This seems accurate: http://www.forvo.com/word/simo_h%C3%A4yh%C3%A4/

[–]superjuice 6 points7 points ago

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That is indeed very accurate.

[–]Trellmor 6 points7 points ago

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Relevant song about him?

And since I'm already linking to Sabaton videos, also watch Talvisota

[–]monopixel 6 points7 points ago

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He didnt look too happy about it afterwards.

[–]ascruse 22 points23 points ago

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Little known fact: That photo was the image they used to make this.

[–]walaska 5 points6 points ago

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huh? I think I did a whoosh

[–]ascruse 21 points22 points ago

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[–]Jonnywest 4 points5 points ago

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FUCK I can't unsee that now when I look at this box art.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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That one guy had a noticeable and easily quantifiable impact on the entire war, even though he was just a sniper. I still can't believe how many people he killed. He's like a mythical warrior or something.

[–]floatablepie 1098 points1099 points ago

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I guess Russia couldn't...

(glasses on)

Finnish the fight.

[–]saucypants 308 points309 points ago

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YEAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

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[–]EvilEmperorZurg 7 points8 points ago

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How about a rematch?

[–]Kungen- 38 points39 points ago

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gg no re

[–]ufukks 45 points46 points ago

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Except for the fact that history shows that even with such lopsided losses, for some reason, the Finns STILL surrendered.

They gave up a good portion of the country to the Soviets. And of course the Allies did little to nothing to help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[–]progeda 99 points100 points ago*

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for some reason, the Finns STILL surrendered.

As if a country the size of Finland could hold off the Soviet Union forever. You could say they won in retaining their democracy unlike many others.

[–]dalittle 31 points32 points ago

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Vietnam held off the US.

[–]azural 56 points57 points ago

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North Vietnam didn't hold off the US, because the US never invaded North Vietnam. Because if they did, war with the USSR might have resulted.

The US failed to retain US-public support for a counter insurgency war in Southern Vietnam, in support of a corrupt government.

Then there was a proper conventional war between North and South Vietnam, with zero US involvement, which the North won.

There are so many differences as to be an utterly meaningless comparison.

[–]Old_Bull_Lee 142 points143 points ago

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US doesn't share a border with Vietnam.

[–]Dinnerforjoe 98 points99 points ago

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Not anymore.

[–]HZAres 18 points19 points ago

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vietnam had help

[–]Bragzor 12 points13 points ago

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So did Finland.

[–]snicker7 2 points3 points ago

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Fuck you. I snorted and a booger shot out of my nose. Fucking gross. Someone probably saw it.

[–]sqrt7744 16 points17 points ago

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Nobody was backing Finland, despite appeals to Germany for help. Vietnam, as I am sure you are aware, had massive international support on both sides.

[–]sun-sama 7 points8 points ago

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Actually correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure a lot of swedes volenteered at that time. wiki

[–]quickhorn 5 points6 points ago*

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I'm sure that what they're talking about was international support in helping repeal the invaders, this would include a number of resources that includes but is not limited to bodies. Weapons, food, fuel would all also be included in assistance if the international community had stepped in. I think that's what they're trying to point out.

[–]Bragzor 2 points3 points ago

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His point still stands.

[–]Hazasoul 6 points7 points ago

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Norway and Sweden were helping Finland.

[–]Gaston22 81 points82 points ago

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First off, they didn't surrender, they signed a peace treaty that was mildly favorable to the Soviet Union, which is a huge difference. And the reason they did this is because eventually the Soviet Union could have won through attrition. Today Finland has a population of 5.3 million whereas Russia has a population of 143 million. Their populations were of a comparable size during the Winter War. The Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during World War II, that's over 5 times the entire population of Finland today!

The Fins themselves estimated that they could have held out for a matter of months, at best, at the time of the peace treaty. So rather than losing their entire country, they ceded 11% of it. I wouldn't call their peace treaty a surrender at all, more like a miracle which was made possible by those lopsided losses.

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[–]bigkr88 10 points11 points ago

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Which was later recaptured in world war 2 as the Germans launched their invasion of the soviet union. The soviet union then launched the continuation war in 1944, and after some initial success got another thorough buttwhooping similar to the one they received in the winter war. Finally, in 1945, finnland managed to get a peace treaty that involved getting the Germans out of southern finland (a swampy, horrid area known as lapland sota) which they did with some reluctance, and horrid war reparations to the soviet union (despite being the defenders) which they proceeded to pay off within a decade. They then promptly gave the finger to post-ww2 politics and became one of the only eastern European countries to not be stuck behind Stalin's iron curtain, and remains today as a key part of the global economy by producing cell phones.

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There was the saying at time that one Finn is worth of the ten Russians. The question that was asked next was what to do when eleventh Russian arrives. There was no way that tiny country with few million people could beat Soviet Union to surrender. It was always about not letting them in and paying the price whatever it was.

And of course the Allies did little to nothing to help.

Well. Christopher Lee came to fight with us. We are eternally grateful for his contribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee#Involvement_in_World_War_II

[–]Moridyn 2 points3 points ago

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There was the saying at time that one Finn is worth of the ten Russians. The question that was asked next was what to do when eleventh Russian arrives.

I love that response.

[–]Seefor 25 points26 points ago*

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Finland escaped annexation, which is a pretty damn good accomplishment. Instead they managed to be free for the last 70 years and are now a modern, Western state, instead of a poor nation just recovering from shaking off the reign of Moscow.

All the Finns who died in the war died a very meaningful death for their country and countrymen.

[–]Philip_Jay_Fry 52 points53 points ago

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Finns? A trifle. It was simply a matter of outsmarting them. You see Finns have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down.

[–]cybercobra 7 points8 points ago

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Good, except it was Zapp Brannigan.

But Close enough.

[–]EetsGeets 23 points24 points ago

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Uhh...The numbers on this page are way different from the picture. ಠ_ಠ
What the hell, OP?

[–]stellarfury 11 points12 points ago

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There are a bunch of different calculations of how many casualties the Russians suffered, between 48,000 and 1,000,000. Given the breadth of those estimates, and most coming from pseudo-reliable sources (historians and the like), picking 250,000 was probably the best the OP could do.

[–]Antikristus 19 points20 points ago

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Also, this picture has been around for some time. I doubt that the OP had anything to do with the numbers.

[–]zaferk 10 points11 points ago

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the best the OP could do

Ugh..do people still believe most pics posted to reddit are made by the submitter?

[–]couchcreeper 6 points7 points ago

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It's hard to take those casualty estimates in the above link seriously. First off, they are all from Russian sources (only one Finnish one, and that one a low figure compared to other Finnish estimates I've seen). Note too how close they are to the official Soviet figure - which was released when the Russians were desperate to downplay their humiliation in Finland and how unprepared the Red Army was for war.

It's rare to find a conflict where casualty figures vary so widely but that has a lot to do with the Soviets suppressing the magnitude of their disaster in Finland. The Finns conservatively estimated Russian dead at 200,000. The Soviets claimed it was 48,000 but no one believed it at the time. Khrushchev, in his memoirs, claimed they lost a million men in Finland but that figure must have included wounded, captured and missing and was probably an exaggeration. I've read that the Germans estimated Russian losses as over 300,000 dead. Whatever they were, they were horrendous, even by Soviet standards. I can well imagine it was 3 to 4 times what they admitted at the time so an estimate of 200,000 killed sounds about right.

BTW, the best English language account I've read of the war is William Trotter's "A Frozen Hell" if you're interested to learn more.

Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Frozen-Hell-Russo-Finnish-Winter-1939-1940/dp/1565122496/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303855605&sr=8-1

[–]Damaband41 4 points5 points ago

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It's like in Risk when you defeat the army of like 5 guys but lose 40 of your forces.

[–]fableflower 16 points17 points ago

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People realize that Finland was Axis Aligned right?

[–]isoT 32 points33 points ago

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It's a bit more complicated than that. But yes, for a time. Who else but Germany was going to help Finland against Soviet Union invasion? Also, with 2 months food reserves, aid was asked of the Allied, none provided. Then Germany was asked, and aid was provided. Of course, later Finland had to fight German troops off Finland.

[–]chthonical 25 points26 points ago

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IIRC Finland allied with Germany because they were otherwise alone against the Soviet Union. The USSR essentially said, "Join us or we'll invade you." Finland said, "Fuck off." The USSR invaded, and Finland made an alliance of convenience with Germany for the purpose of furthering their own self-defense.

[–]Gongom 7 points8 points ago

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Actually, I believe the Soviet Union wanted to build military bases on Finnish ground. Finland refused and it was used as a justification for war.

[–]superjuice 13 points14 points ago

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To some extent yes. Since Leningrad (St. Petersburg) was withing artillery range from the Finnish border the Russians saw this as an enormous threat. Alot of talks between Finnish and Russian diplomats were held, but they were unable to settle the matter. Basically what the Russians wanted was a part of karelia to protect Leningrad, Finland didn't want to part with any land what so ever. Not so long after that the Russians shelled one of their own villages close to the border and then used that as a justification.

[–]Antikristus 7 points8 points ago

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I like to think that Finland was more of a what-the-fuck-stop-invading-us-aligned. I don't think we really picked a side.

[–]sumsarus 9 points10 points ago

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Well, they were getting bullied by Stalin all the time, so first they asked the British for help, but nobody would help them. Then out of desperation they cooperated with Nazi Germany. They just wanted to survive, not like the other axis aligned nations which mostly were very power hungry with desire for expansion.

[–]azural 5 points6 points ago

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All the other nations of the axis, including Romania and Hungery, just wanted to expand? And didn't feel threatened by the USSR, like Finland did?

[–]diath 6 points7 points ago

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They were forced to because the Allies wouldn't help them.

[–]SickFinga 8 points9 points ago

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You realize that Soviets and Germans were allies before 1941 as well?

[–]FinnishFuturist 6 points7 points ago

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In the same way the Russians were part of the allies. They shouldn't really have been allies but were united against a common enemy. I prefer to think of the Soviets and their allies as sort of another faction that happened to have the same enemy as the Allies. Germany didn't like the soviets and the Finns were getting threatened by them so naturally we fought together (sort of). Finland was in no way totalitarian.

[–]FinnishChick 6 points7 points ago*

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An unfortunate situation for Finland where it was either accept help from Germans or face invasion too large to stop on your own. Before everything went down Finland declared itself neutral but wasn't going to happen because of their geopolitical location. Mind you Finland remained democratic and protected the rights of minorities in Finland that were prosecuted by the Nazis.

[–]HypoWombat 6 points7 points ago

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VALPO did hand over a few jewish individuals (USSR citizens mostly) to the Nazis and they ended up at Birkenau. Finland is not completely innocent despite the white wash that was universally applied after the war.

[–]but-but 2 points3 points ago

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Was anyone completely innocent in that madhouse?

[–]AsGoodAsTheBest 2 points3 points ago

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I'm confused, how do you know whether to put glasses on or to remove them?

[–]TimurLan3 4 points5 points ago

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Finnish him.

[–]alv22 18 points19 points ago

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Did you know why handheld petrol bombs are called molotov cocktails?

During the Winter War the soviets had their propaganda minister - Vyacheslav Molotov - claim on the radio that the Soviet Union wasn't bombing Finland but delivering food for starving finns.

These anti-tank grenades were invented by the finnish as 'a drink to go with the food'.

[–]xavierlongview 2 points3 points ago

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You beat me to it! Clever Fins killin tanks with humor.

[–]disposapost 16 points17 points ago

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Every time I see the winter war mentioned I think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_in_the_Winter_War#Norway

"Of the 725 Norwegians that volunteered to fight for Finland, only 125 made to the relatively tranquil Salla front and that just three weeks before the war ended. None of the volunteers were killed or wounded. Many of the volunteers were unfit for fighting and many ended up in rest homes and institutions for alcoholics during their stay in Finland."

Oh Norway.

[–]kekspernikai 48 points49 points ago

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The wiki has been updated since for far more accuracy.

edit: Still impressive.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points ago*

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I think most of the soviets died of hunger, cold and disease. They killed themselves basically. It was more a competition of survival in harsh conditions than anything. (I'm a Finn so I'm allowed to say that. My grandfather was no super man. Just a farmer who knew how to survive in the woods.)

Edit: Here is some trivia. The only story my grandfather ever told anyone about the war is this; Once walking in the woods somewhere he came across a lone Soviet. They looked each other in the eyes but neither did shoot. They just crossed paths and continued on their way. The Soviet probably had family waiting at home too. Humanity in war and all.

[–]couchcreeper 9 points10 points ago

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Most Soviet casualties occurred on the Karelian Isthmus where the heaviest fighting occurred. These were basically poorly coordinated mass infantry assaults against trenches, WWI type battles. The type of combat you're talking about, Soviet soldiers cut off and dying of exposure occurred north of Lake Ladoga but got most of the media attention at the time since that's the only area where Finnish authorities allowed foreign journalists close to the combat zone.

[–]malaspinaOTT 19 points20 points ago

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I think most of the soviets died of hunger, cold and disease. They killed themselves basically. It was more a competition of survival in harsh conditions than anything.

True, but they did because you guys stood up to them and made them stop in the middle of a buttfuck freezing wasteland from hell. Others would have cowered in awe at the might of one the largest armies in the world, you picked up your rifles and started shooting at them 'till they got sick of their comrades dying and got home.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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I was gonna say...400,000+ missing?

[–]troubleondemand 6 points7 points ago

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Came to say the same...how do you lose half a million soldiers?

[–]gnudarve 2 points3 points ago

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Frozen to death...

[–]my_own_wakawaka 16 points17 points ago

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Here's a documentary about the Winter War.

Pretty crazy shit.

Part 1/8

[–]Space_Ninja 2 points3 points ago

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Sir, you are gentleman and a scholar. Thank you.

(Boy, that actor really couldn't find his knife)

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[–]BloodRedSumo 86 points87 points ago

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Because all those dead people are HILARIOUS!

[–]itsashotinthedark 9 points10 points ago

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What's the deal with DEAD PEOPLE!?

FTFY

[–]emjay101 42 points43 points ago

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if you need a summary of finland's history: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/history_of_finland.jpg

[–]Hoaas 2 points3 points ago

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Best history lesson ever.

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[–]JinMarui 6 points7 points ago

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Apparently one does not simply walk out of Finland, either.

Assuming you're a Soviet soldier.

[–]redditRoss 6 points7 points ago

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Kind of relevant

Finland is my favorite character

[–]FinnishFuturist 1 point2 points ago

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She really needs to update.

[–]akuzin 104 points105 points ago

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People Dying in Wars...Fuck Yeah!!!!!!!!

ಠ_ಠ

[–]DrRoidberg 30 points31 points ago

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Is cool. They were communists.

[–]SpinningHead 6 points7 points ago

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Except, on the flip side, 70% of Germans killed were killed by Russians.

[–]rossiFan 2 points3 points ago

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It's still cool because communists>nazis.

[–]kyrpa 5 points6 points ago

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Your army is so big, and our country is so small, where will we find room to bury all of your dead?

[–]CroqueMitaine 5 points6 points ago

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I went to Finland to visit a friend 5 years ago and went to see their war museum. That was an awesome museum. They had a lot of tanks and missle lunchers on display and almost all of them had a plaque saying it was from this war and stolen from the russians on that date.

I don't know if it is true but my finish friend told me that most of the military hardware that was used in WW2 was stolen from the russians.

They also had a full section of the musem dedicated to the Finish equivalent of a special force unit that used snow shoes and cross country skis to go behind enemy lines and use the russians own artilary against them.

Go to Finland if you have the chance. Best trip I ever took and I've been around.

[–]Chargelot 4 points5 points ago

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Finland doesn't bother you, so don't fuck with Finland.

[–]m1ndcr1me 10 points11 points ago

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The Germans and the French learned the hard way not to invade Russia in the winter.

The Russians learned the hard way not to invade Finland in the winter.

[–]Sarutahiko 4 points5 points ago

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I feel compelled to mention that all of those numbers have changed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[–]absolutelynothing 20 points21 points ago

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They accidentally the whole Russian army!

[–]Bloaf 5 points6 points ago

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In soviet Russia, army accidentally you!

[–]whoami9 14 points15 points ago

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That's awesome, but I was expecting hot Scandinavian girls. I am disappoint.

[–]Leviatn 14 points15 points ago

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Fun fact: Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

[–]patssle 5 points6 points ago

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Well damn, how is Reddit going to circlejerk over Finland then?

[–]pearljamman010 11 points12 points ago

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No wonder the Finnish have such badass music

[–]namochan 5 points6 points ago

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We do? Like what?

[–]pearljamman010 2 points3 points ago

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Insomnium, CoB, Ensiferum....

[–]CuRhesusZn 2 points3 points ago

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[–]igottamustache 2 points3 points ago

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At a full nude strip club in West Virginia hill country, I once watched a girl dance to Trollhammaren. Mind=blown.

[–]Arthuris 3 points4 points ago

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That was a long time ago. Nowadays were are all soft and squishy. We mainly spend our days flinging birds at pigs and watching Conan on tv.

[–]Colonel-Chapman 3 points4 points ago*

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Right, chins up lads! Stand tall!
Now - One, two, three and all that!

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping
Or just watching TV
Finland, Finland, Finland
It's the country for me

You're so near to Russia
So far from Japan
Quite a long way from Cairo
Lots of miles from Vietnam

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be
Eating breakfast or dinner
Or snack lunch in the hall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all

You're so sadly neglected
And often ignored
A poor second to Belgium
When going abroad

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be
Your mountains so lofty
Your treetops so tall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I quite want to be
Your mountains so lofty
Your treetops so tall
Finland, Finland, Finland
Finland has it all

Finland has it all

Alright alright, that's enough lads! Clear out, you lot! Get out, out! All of you, out!

[–]SpacemanGrey 3 points4 points ago

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Looks like you guys really

Sunglasses

Finnished those Soviets.

YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!1

[–]EmptyRabble 13 points14 points ago

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Lets all keep in mind, the Finish has this guy, the White Death

[–]SanitySquad 13 points14 points ago

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Finland, you badass stranger-than-fuck neighbor. Denmark's proud of you ;)

[–]vCat- 2 points3 points ago

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Patrick Star supports this.

[–]DaywalkerOG 6 points7 points ago

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Had to double check this wasn't a BF:BC2. Why, you ask? Beacuse of the commander's name Carl Gustaf. Noone likes meeting Mr. Gustaf.

[–]uhm_no 5 points6 points ago

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The Carl Gustaf in BFBC2 is from the Swedish King Carl Gustaf, since it is a Swedish built weapon.

Still - Mannerheim was a true badass - officer from the Tsar's cavallery - took part in the Russo-Japanese war and WWI. then went back to Finland to build the new free nation (free from Russia). Ended up kicking the but of his former master...

[–]akumadiavolo 4 points5 points ago

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Reposts....Fuck Yeah.

[–]random314 2 points3 points ago

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Left this out in "Territorial Changes"... Cession of the Gulf of Finland islands, Karelian Isthmus, Ladoga Karelia, Salla, and Rybachy Peninsula, and rental of Hanko to the Soviet Union. Yeah Finland kicked ass, but in the end Russia won, Zapp Brannigan style.

[–]zeldaahn2 2 points3 points ago

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Im curious how the hell did finland do this? Im kinda curious how they did this...

[–]jimminy 2 points3 points ago

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Here's one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raate_Road

Some important tactics and factors: motitus, Molotov's Cocktails and (improvised) satchel charges to destroy tanks, stopping tanks with logs of wood jamming the tracks, experience with harsh winter conditions (skiing being one of the most important), high morale, etc...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I remember reading that a lot of the success of Finland was due to their knowledge of the land and ski-troops (or snow shoes). Quite a resourceful country they are!

[–]ShakeyBobWillis 2 points3 points ago

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The advent of thermal imaging has pretty much erased the chances of this happening again.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I heard that battle started slow but had a strong Finnish.

[–]stevesonaplane 2 points3 points ago

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I can't be afraid of Finland. I think they are a pretty nice group of people.

[–]unanun 2 points3 points ago

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It helps that they had Simo Hayha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

[–]nunsrevil 2 points3 points ago

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30 fuckin tanks.

[–]iamthelawrus 2 points3 points ago

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OH NO NOT FINRAND!

[–]elblanco 2 points3 points ago

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Damn Finland, you scary.

[–]originalnutta 2 points3 points ago

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Finnish Them!

[–]very_very_sneaky 12 points13 points ago

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You just don't fuck with the Finnish.

[–]armakaryk 18 points19 points ago

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never start what you can't Finnish.

[–]tHeSiD 12 points13 points ago

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You just don't fuck anything with fins either!

[–]Deestan 2 points3 points ago

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Stop prosecuting me!

[–]facts_over_opinion 22 points23 points ago

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The only downpoint to this is that they welcomed the Nazi's as liberators at the beginning of WWII. Talk about being stuck between a rock and hard place though.

Another upboat to Finland is that they were the only country to completely pay back America for their loans during World War I.

[–]karaps 16 points17 points ago

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Finland also had to fight against the German forces in the Lapland war. It's mostly remembered from the heavy employment of scorched earth tactics from the retreating Germans, which definitely caused the Finns to have a long standing grudge against Germany.

Other somewhat interesting fact is that the United Kingdom declared war against Finland too, though no combat operations were performed from either side.

[–]couchcreeper 35 points36 points ago

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"they welcomed the Nazi's as liberators at the beginning of WWII"

Not true. They didn't welcome the Germans as 'liberators' because they were never occupied by the Soviets. They did engage in military cooperation with Germany from 1941 until 1944 and there were German forces in northern Finland but there was never a Nazi or fascist government in Finland. Finland never signed a formal alliance with Germany but cooperated because they shared a common adversary. But there were limits to their cooperation. Hitler tried putting pressure on Finland to join in the assault on Leningrad (which they refused to do) and to cut the railway links with Murmansk (which they did until receiving severe warnings from the US). In short, Finland was stuck between two giants at war with each other and feared a Soviet occupation above all else, went to war against both eventually and through it all managed to escape occupation by any foreign power, the only Axis country to do so.

[–]facts_over_opinion 9 points10 points ago

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Yes, you are correct they were never occupied by the Soviets but saw the arrival of the Germans as a chance to reverse concessions made in the Peace of Moscow. I was making a generalization on the views of the populace, not keeping with my username, and I apologize.

[–]anthonybsd 6 points7 points ago

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To this point - while Fins didn't, the other 3 baltic countries (Finland was the 4th) did welcome Nazis as liberators, but only because...well they were! If you get invaded by entity A, when the entity B comes and kicks out entity A, what do you call entity B? World War II is hardly ever black and white, it's mostly varying shades of gray.

[–]needssomething 8 points9 points ago

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finn here. my father and my mother were orphans after the war. i don't give a fuck who sniped the most or what was his nationality. who the fuck cares? you shouldn't, too.

all i know is i had to deal with parent that were totally lost in life, without past, without anything. shock goes for generations. i had to raise myself.

my parents are in their 70's now, and i'm taking care of them. both of them are totally fucked up. and it is becouse of this war you seem to celebrate. to my parents it all comes back and older they get, they can't escape it. i go there, change my mom's diapers and listen.

so fuck you. you don't understand anything about this.

i fucking hate you idiots.

[–]Tree-eeeze 5 points6 points ago

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Sisu is a Finnish term loosely translated into English as strength of will, determination, perseverance, and acting rationally in the face of adversity. However, the word is widely considered to lack a proper translation into any language.

"The Finns have something they call sisu. It is a compound of bravado and bravery, of ferocity and tenacity, of the ability to keep fighting after most people would have quit, and to fight with the will to win. The Finns translate sisu as "the Finnish spirit" but it is a much more gutful word than that. Last week the Finns gave the world a good example of sisu by carrying the war into Russian territory on one front while on another they withstood merciless attacks by a reinforced Russian Army. In the wilderness that forms most of the Russo-Finnish frontier between Lake Laatokka and the Arctic Ocean, the Finns definitely gained the upper hand."

[–]Metacortex92 1 point2 points ago

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Anyone care to elaborate how the kills could have been confirmed that it was by his gun?

[–]__username 1 point2 points ago

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The 400000+ missing were probably investigating the authenticity of this youtube video

[–]pelmen 1 point2 points ago

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Everyone knows Russians like to drink. So in every war commanders would sell their soldiers food supplies for alcohol, drink their asses off and let their soldiers die off like ants. World War two is an example. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case here.