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[–]zavaro 109 points110 points ago

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What CGI? That's a real Jeff Goldblum.

[–]funkboy27[S] 19 points20 points ago

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It's never been proven that he's real. You don't find him oddly robotic?

You're right though, he is more practical effect than CGI. maybe 70/30

[–]zavaro 10 points11 points ago

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Goldblumatronics, I think is the term Spielberg coined. I think it may have even been used in other movies, like The Fly and Cats & Dogs.

[–]DidgeryDave21 0 points1 point ago

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True. It's called animatronics and it was only used in a few films, despite it's fantastic on screen advantages, because it was so expensive... I believe anyway...

[–]Keytap 2 points3 points ago

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woosh

[–]cornponious 1 point2 points ago

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IAN FREEZE!

[–]mawnsharks 5 points6 points ago

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he waves his flare back and forth

[–]paveln 1 point2 points ago

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Wrong. Due to technological limitations, they couldn't have any of the real characters interact with the CGI characters.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiqvnKYyEg

[–]mysterx 15 points16 points ago

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Why is the image reversed?

(Yep I went there!)

[–]tomrhod 11 points12 points ago

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My guess is that it was from YouTube, where videos are mirrored in order to avoid the automatic copyright takedown algorithm.

[–]gonzo82 7 points8 points ago

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TIL

[–]shamusmclovin 0 points1 point ago

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Doesn't work anymore... I saw a mirrored Conan vid get taken down. I'm guessing they're keeping the audio tracks on file also.

[–]slickerypete 20 points21 points ago

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I just recently re-watched this movie and realized this exact thing. I also realized it has got to be one of my favorite movies. I am very happy this movie came out at a part of my life where I was obsessed with dinosaurs and was dazzled by movies. Honestly, it's a masterpiece in my book. Now only if there was a sequel that could live up to the first.

[–]Zayl 3 points4 points ago

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They're supposedly re-booting a sort of Jurassic Park trilogy. You can find one of the articles here.

I'm not sure how legitimate that is, and I'm about 99% positive that nothing will be able to live up to the original - will still watch any new JP shit, no matter what.

I don't know what will happen...

I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility... for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it... you want to sell it! - Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum)

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points ago

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This comes up every week.

Yes the CGI was great for the time, but it's the puppets & animatronics that are really amazing

[–]bill_clay 28 points29 points ago

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The CGI T-Rex looks better than the puppets. This is not true of every CGI T-Rex. Just this one.

[–]TheMeatball 23 points24 points ago

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Exactly. The immersion to totally heightened by mixing animatronics and CGI, but the screencap linked here is a CG T-Rex. It looks better than, for example, the big creatures in Avatar.

That's crazy to me.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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In fairness you see the creatures in Avatar in daylight, not during the middle of a rainstorm at night like the above t-rex. So any mistakes are much harder to spot.

A fairer comparison would be the scene near the beginning where Sattler & Grant first see a live dinosaur - an apatosaurus. Sure it's good, but they're not as convincing as current CGI.

[–]sweddit 5 points6 points ago

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Well, there's always the T. Rex vs Raptors climax fight. Saw it a few weeks ago and still looks damn impressive.

[–]Hammer_the_Screw 1 point2 points ago

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I've always wondered at that part, how the fuck does a T-Rex sneak up on someone like that!?

[–]sweddit 8 points9 points ago

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[–]rock_princess 2 points3 points ago

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He's climbin' in yo windows!

[–]JoshingtonDC 0 points1 point ago

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I love you

[–]Hammer_the_Screw 0 points1 point ago

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Haha thanks.
T-Rex pulls a Batman and crashes through a window.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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It looks good, very good. But if you watch it on dvd, or blueray, rather than youtube, you can see it really doesn't match up to today's CGI.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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it's not available in HD

[–]TheMeatball 1 point2 points ago

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I think there are HD versions out there. Maybe broadcast rips?

It was hyped up as a HDDVD release and just recently got a Blu-ray date.

[–]slickerypete 0 points1 point ago

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I caught it on an HD channel...and it looked amazing to me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Really? :/

[–]wastergoleor 0 points1 point ago

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Dark and Rain seem to really help, there's that scene in shrek, where he roars at the villagers near the start. They always looked really real to me.

[–]biddily 1 point2 points ago

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Uncanny valley. We don't know how they're supposed to look and move, so our brains easily pass over any mistakes. Thats harder to do with humanoid or well known figures. We have an idea of what they're supposed to do, so when it's just a little bit off we notice and becomes 'wrong'.

[–]TheMeatball 8 points9 points ago

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Yeah, last time I saw a giant 8-legged tri-horn rhinoceros it reminded me how Avatar didn't quite do it justice.

[–]Random_Tangent -1 points0 points ago

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Actually, that one's mostly puppet with some CG legs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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If you like Jurassic Park's animatronics standing the test of time, check out Little Shop of Horrors (1986).

My favorite film of all time and it's just as believable now as it was in the 80's.

[–]sir_grumph 0 points1 point ago

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Feed me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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"Does it have to be human!?"

[–]npc902 2 points3 points ago

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THANK YOU. I seriously see this same post every week. More than any other re-post ever. I'm not really that upset - more just wondering how everyone hasn't seen at least one of these yet!?

[–]Railboy 15 points16 points ago

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This comes up at least once a month, so I'll repeat my earlier points:

The main reason it looks so good is because ILM alumn Phil Tippett animated them, and he knows his shit. It's not about the technology, it's about making the creatures feel alive.

Look at this stop-motion test that Tippett did for JP and tell me it doesn't look amazing.

Also, they were intercut with some spectacular Stan Winston animatronics. RIP Stan.

[–]coconutcorey 2 points3 points ago

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I really wish that movies today would use more animatronics and use people who really care to do it. Jurassic park is still one of my favorite moveies and I am constatnly comparing todays movies by these standards

[–]Hammer_the_Screw 2 points3 points ago

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It's a pity Stan Winston was really the last of his kind. He did so many great animatronics, Predator, Alien, Terminator robots, to name a few. The focus now is on digital effects. There will probably never be anymore cool mechanical puppets in movies.

[–]rxi 4 points5 points ago

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< comment detailing how subsurface scattering makes a big difference when rendering dinosaur skin rather than human skin, or something like that >

[–]onyxleopard 3 points4 points ago

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That's actually a good point. Since we don't have preconceived notions of what dinosaurs actually look like, this helps a lot. If they had tried to make CGI humans back then (or most of the time even today) it would not have been nearly as believable.

[–]voxorz 4 points5 points ago

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Uh...duh, real dinosaurs. FTFY

[–]nightzirk 4 points5 points ago

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The particular scene you're referring to has amazing CGI for its time. It even lives up to today's standards. However, you can't really say the same thing about the whole film. I mean, the scene where Alan Grant sees the apatosaurus for the first time, really isn't that impressive. It wasn't even that great for its time.

[–]borogrove 5 points6 points ago

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brachiosaurus

FTFY

[–]nightzirk 2 points3 points ago

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How silly of me. I won't edit my original text. It will stay here for all eternity, a testament of my complete foolishness.

[–]borogrove 0 points1 point ago

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S'all good, I think they were apatosaurs in the book.

[–]nightzirk 0 points1 point ago

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Ah! Yes, in the Lost World, Crichton definitely used apatosaurs.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Didn't Judd Apatosaur also direct Jurassic Park 4: The 65,000,000 Year Old Virgin?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Well, I disagree, it was great for it's time -- and that was the scene in the preview that was the "money shot" for the CGI being used, the big awe-inspiring reveal. I think that the stampede of flocking dinosaurs was much less impressive -- almost Phantom Menace level fakery there.

[–]dirtystevie 4 points5 points ago

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I bet it will be more noticeable if they ever release it on god damn bluray.

[–]TiredMold 3 points4 points ago

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And how much less okay does that make Wolverine's shitty CGI claws in Origins?

[–]mrbdog335 0 points1 point ago

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You said it, especially the bathroom mirror scene. My brother and I turned to look at each other in disgust, and I came as close as I ever have to walking out mid-film.

[–]TiredMold 0 points1 point ago

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I know exactly the shot you're talking about. They looked like something from a nineties TV show playing with CGI. I was reminded of the Langoliers.

[–]perpetual_motion 2 points3 points ago

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I think we're nearing a point where good CGI now is going to be good CGI 50 years from now. There's not that much more to change, though I'm sure other ways to innovate will be invented.

[–]RickVince 2 points3 points ago

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There's a Jurassic Park thread every few weeks and every single time I come in here to say when the hell are they gonna release this on Blu-Ray already?!?!?

I mean honestly...I wants it. :(

[–]geoman2k 2 points3 points ago

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why the fuck is this movie not out on bluray yet?

[–]Junior1919 6 points7 points ago

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There is something special about Jurassic Park. It is pure cinema. It is the best of what cinema can be. It shows us a world we can create only in computers and foam/plastic puppets. The moment where they see the first dinosaur is simply astounding, even if it isn't perfect CGI. The sense of wonder is palpable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I feel the same way about "The Room."

[–]jenkies 4 points5 points ago

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I think it's because so much of it actually ISN'T CGI. They made all those dinosaur robots, which are awesome! When you're just filling gaps and whatnot, as opposed to only using CGI throughout, the effect is much more realistic.

[–]TheMeatball 11 points12 points ago

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Look at that screen cap posted. Are we to believe that's an animatronic T-Rex running down the road? That's CGI and it's outstanding.

[–]gtkarber 4 points5 points ago*

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The legs are CG. The rest is animatronic.

EDIT: Since I'm being downvoted, here is a photo.

[–]Zoro11031 0 points1 point ago

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That is actually quite spectacular.

[–]jenkies 0 points1 point ago

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Right, but they combined that with a full size animatronic T-Rex for the scenes when it wasn't running, so the fact that it's not exclusively CGI is, in my opinion, part of what makes it so much more believable than other films that didn't use models or animatronics. LOTR, for example (awesome though it is) has some very cartoonish bits.

[–]TheMeatball 1 point2 points ago

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Like Legolas in The Two Towers climbing onto a horse in some ungodly way that defied physics and logic(and not in the cool way).

That was really disappointing for me.

[–]allocater 1 point2 points ago

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Star Trek 8 also looked better than Star Trek 9 and Star Trek 10. Probably because it was the last to use models. All following used pure CGI.

[–]Tanglebrook 1 point2 points ago*

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Actually, First Contact was the first Star Trek movie to exclusively use CG models for the ships. There's not a single physical model in the entire movie.

EDIT: I'm full of shit, as the nice gentleman below me will explain.

[–]allocater 1 point2 points ago

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what?

the effects team combined motion control shots of the Enterprise model with a computer-generated background.

The effects supervisor enjoyed motion control passes of ships over computer-generated versions, as it was much easier to capture a high level of detail with physical models rather than trying to recreate it by computer graphics.

For the Borg battle, Knoll insisted on closeup shots that were very near the alien vessel, necessitating a physical model

Even on the large model, it was hard to make the miniature appear realistic in extreme close-up shots.[41] To make the pullback shot work, the camera had to be within one-eighth of an inch from the model.

etc. pp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_First_Contact#Effects

[–]Tanglebrook 0 points1 point ago

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You're absolutely right. I hastily misread a sentence in the Wikipedia article which I thought backed up my memory that First Contact was the first to go pure CG. Insurrection is the one I was thinking of.

[–]Terrorsaurus 1 point2 points ago

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Realistic movements are still the biggest thing missing from otherwise great CGI in most movies these days, IMO.

[–]toxicFork 1 point2 points ago

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I watch it every year. Never gets old.

[–]repocode 1 point2 points ago

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Ian, FREEEEZE!

[–]killjoyxp 0 points1 point ago

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Get the kids!

Get rid of the flare!

[–]theghostofme 1 point2 points ago

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Does it bug anyone else that the image is mirrored? Or is my OCD just particularly bad today?

[–]spacem00se 1 point2 points ago

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Remember when they released the gamecube and claimed it would have Jurassic Park graphics?

[–]Zoro11031 0 points1 point ago

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I don't remember this. Source?

[–]spacem00se 0 points1 point ago

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None. But most of the press releases months prior to the launch, did hype it as having jurassic park style graphics. Or was that the N64?

[–]onyxleopard 1 point2 points ago

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Btw, many have probably seen this, but there's an awesome 'making of' series on youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_TFEFA3eAM Really cool how the CGI and animatronics were pushed to their limits.

[–]DanWallace 1 point2 points ago

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You should probably watch it again. It was great for its time and it stood up for many years, but we are far beyond Jurassic Park CG now.

[–]farceur318 0 points1 point ago

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Watched it last night. Still astounding.

[–]DanWallace 0 points1 point ago

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And I'm happy for you, but we're talking about the CG compared to modern CG. The only scenes with passable CG by today's Hollywood standards are rainy night scenes where you can't make out a lot of detail.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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More amazing - the non-CGI movies that are still fun to watch.

[–]ours 2 points3 points ago

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And the non-CGI movies who's creature effects still scare the crap out of me: The Thing. Damn those things look so organic and alien.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I like movies with good effects, but you have to give props to those guys who had very little and still managed to scare the crap out of you or thrill you enough to make hairs stand up.

[–]ours 1 point2 points ago

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Absolutely. People like James Cameron (Terminator 1, before he had boatloads of money), Sami Raimi and so many others.

[–]smurfjoe 1 point2 points ago

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I disagree. I was playing my Sega Genesis.

[–]Genmaken 1 point2 points ago

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I'm a die hard Jurassic Park ever since I stepped in that theater. I got the VHS when it came out and basically watched it once a day for months. I got the action figures for XMAS and still have them boxed somewhere for when/if I have kids.

Also, I've read both Michael Crichton books and loved them, and I loved the Mega Drive / Genesis game, despite the average reviews.

The CGI and animatronics still hold well today, and just confirm the CLASSIC status that this film deserves.

Also, when I went to NY for my honey moon in 2009, I got a picture taken in Time Square's Toys'R'Us... I was almost weeping when I saw they still have a Jurassic Park feature.

[–]joakim_ 1 point2 points ago

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A lot of it wasn't CGI. I think that this scene might actually have been animatronics.

[–]ElliotofHull 9 points10 points ago

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Oh look, it's this post again.

[–]toxicFork 20 points21 points ago

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Fuck you, I never saw this post before.

[–]ElliotofHull -1 points0 points ago

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Are you been sarcastic? It's literally posted every week.

[–]toxicFork 0 points1 point ago

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But if I say what I really meant, it would ruin the effect!

[–]mylescloutier -2 points-1 points ago

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Comparing it to a super nintendo is kinda silly. How Many render hours were involved in the graphics for Jurassic Park?

[–]Alaric2000 1 point2 points ago

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So, just to clarify, you're telling me those aren't real dinosaurs?!

[–]thegreatgoldenbaby 1 point2 points ago

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thats back in the day when CGI was still used to enhance and perfect things that could not be done with Animatronics or animation. now, its done as a way to save money and produce as much shit in a short amount of time as is humanly possible.

it worked here because it was new, and it was being used in a way that was made to create creatures on screen that no longer existed. they were helping make a great movie better by using computers.

its like with "Where the Wild Things Are". they used CGI to clean up the facial movements and enhance somehting that was already established.

BAD CGI takes me out of a movie like nobody's business

[–]onyxleopard 1 point2 points ago

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Spielberg and the ILM team from Jurassic Park paved the way for exactly this kind of thing with this movie. It was a confluence of the computing power, the software tools, and a whole bunch of people willing to try something new. It turned out better than they hoped for. As you rightly put it, though, other directors and CGI teams often misuse/abuse the tool to bad effect. In this era of high definition video which is much less forgiving, CGI hasn't kept up. It's going to be really difficult when 4k and higher resolution formats roll out as all the CGI work is going to look even worse without higher production budgets.

[–]thegreatgoldenbaby -1 points0 points ago

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i do agree that they paved the way and with a movie like JP, it was a good time to really let that shit fly. my point was more toward the ida that studios didnt have computers to rely on. they still had to find a way to make effects work, make them believable and cost effective. the crutch of CGI simply didnt exist until then.

[–]killjoyxp 0 points1 point ago

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I dare you to sit through A Sound of Thunder

[–]bigrich1776 0 points1 point ago

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There's one shot in particular when Dr. Grant and Lex are hanging by a wire in the rain. The Jeep looks quite flat and untextured, kinda takes me out of the movie. Other than that, super solid stuff.

[–]PerennialPants 0 points1 point ago

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The Jeep also goes right through part of Alan's leg when it falls. Thanks, moviemistakes.com! (Wonderful site, by the way)

"When Alan and Lex are holding on to the cable, fearful of the Explorer that is about to come tumbling down at them, you'll notice that the car, if it had been filmed at the same time the actors were there, would have cut off Sam Neill's leg. Lex grabbed the wire in time but Sam doesn't move his leg enough."

[–]kymry 0 points1 point ago

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I just watched this again a couple of weeks ago with my 9 year old daughter for her first time, and yes, it was still as amazing as ever!

[–]studiosupport 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, does anyone remember the Super Nintendo version of Jurassic Park? You had to go that WHOLE game without saving. Picking up ID cards, finding dinosaur eggs, fighting more than one T-rex.

Amazing when I finally beat it though. First-person mode scared the hell out of me.

[–]mattfuckingwallis 0 points1 point ago

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I have it, and I almost don't believe that you beat it, that game is frustrating as hell!

[–]sniggity 0 points1 point ago

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I think the constant rain helped with CGI in that movie, it helped a lot ! Genius idea in actuality.

[–]TheDemonClown 0 points1 point ago

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CGI actually seems to be getting worse because, with all the power available, it's almost as if the SFX teams are wanting to say, "LOOK AT ALL THIS SHIT! A COMPUTER DID THIS, ISN'T IT AWESOME?!" Compare the CGI shots of the T-Rex and the raptors from "Jurassic Park" with Jeff Bridges' younger head in "Tron: Legacy". The goddamn dinosaur looks more real than an actor who is actually alive today!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like the third movie had terrible CGI compared to the first two. The para sailing scene looks so bad.

[–]aaaaaasdfgrdgbfzs 0 points1 point ago

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If only the rest of the movie held up or ever held any water at all.

[–]NerdTronJJ 0 points1 point ago

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one of the many reasons this movie is time less

[–]ImPolish 0 points1 point ago

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I thought they used real dinosaurs :o

[–]KingPharaoh -1 points0 points ago

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Super Nintendo's didn't cost millions and millions of dollars.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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I bet the first one did.

[–]sweddit 0 points1 point ago

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Neither did movie tickets.

[–]filmfiend999 -1 points0 points ago

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Then there's Starship Troopers, The Langoliers, and Pitch Black creatures. Same things. Boxes with sharp teeth.

[–]carn1x -2 points-1 points ago

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I beg your pardon, I spent most of my time in the mid-90s LOOKING at SNES games art in my Gamesmen Catalogue. I did not, as you so delicately put it, "nail her in the stink tube."