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Trick I used in High School a few times, never failed. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [deleted]
[–]mistersocks 145 points146 points147 points 1 year ago
My philosophy professor made us paste the text of the essay into the body of the email as well as attaching the document. Wouldn't grade it otherwise.
[–]cccmikey 40 points41 points42 points 1 year ago
That seems to be a good philosophy :)
[–]tarqs2010 640 points641 points642 points 1 year ago
Don't try this in college. I've seen people try it and the teacher never says anything. They just get a 0.
One time when the kid asked why the teacher didn't tell him if he couldn't open it he just replied that if he had turned in a hard copy of a paper that had shit on it and he couldn't read it he would get a 0. Why should this be any different?
Needless to say after hearing that every time i turned in a paper i submitted the word file and pdf just to make sure.
[–]mudkippers 523 points524 points525 points 1 year ago
One of my students once tried this. This was the second time there had been a "broken" file, so I got curious and took a closer look. It was an mp3 of "Good Life." I sent him an email that said, "Listening to Kanye and thinking about your grade in the course. See you Tuesday."
[–]betona 39 points40 points41 points 1 year ago
Reminds me: We had two Requirements Documents sent to us by an agency in Buenos Aires. My developers kept saying the file is corrupted, so they'd re-send. Finally I got into the fray and opened the files in a editor and saw tell-tale clues... I renamed them both from .doc to .jpg and voila'! I had a cartoon about Google and a picture of 5 people in an office holding cell phones.
I was pissed. And they're the Argentina branch of a very well-known global agency.
[–][deleted] 67 points68 points69 points 1 year ago
I feel like any honest professor would be way less offended and much more understanding if their students were to just ask politely for an extension and offer a legit reason.
[–]kjart 167 points168 points169 points 1 year ago
I would imagine that most people doing this don't have a legit reason.
[–]ki11a11hippies 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
To be fair, in CS I had professors who said if you can beat the submission protocol, you deserved whatever grade you assigned yourself. This was double true in my netsec course. Some courses encourage you to abuse the system for fun and profit.
[–]mudkippers 113 points114 points115 points 1 year ago*
If a student asks for an extension for any valid reason, including "I have a lot of work due that week and I could really use an extra couple days," I see no reason not to give it to them.
[–]gregoe86 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago
Upvoted for awesome teaching - it's all about understanding what your students are going through. This grad student says thanks!
[–]SuperMuno 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Why can't any of my professors be like you. DEAR GOD, WHY?
[–]CrankCaller 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
How about the reason that it fails to teach them that "real" life will likely often have "real" deadlines that have "real" consequences?
Will a boss or supervisor be a jerk when they fail to give the same leeway you did? Sometimes. Will they fail to give it anyway? You bet.
[–]mudkippers 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
The closer it gets to the deadline, the more I stick to it. Of course every case is different, but if a student comes to me two days before the essay is due and asks for an extension because they have too much work, I tell them that they probably should have managed their time better and send them to people we have at the university who help with study habits and time management.
In my (limited) experience outside of academia, this was true as well. If you raise honest concerns as to why a project would take longer than expected early in the process, things are more flexible.
[–]juaquin 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Almost all of my professors (these are CS classes) are using a late assignment system where you're given a certain number of "late" days or hours for the quarter. You can spread them out on any assignment. That way it covers emergencies, weeks you have a lot to do, etc and they don't have to deal with a bunch of emails and special exceptions.
[–]racergr 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Unlikely. Because it would be unfair for the rest of the students.
[–]ribread3 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
It depends on the professor but they usually aren't doing it out of favoritism, they are doing it because someone asked. It wouldn't matter who asked, as long as they did.
[–]pibot 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
Many professors I know will easily give you an extension if you're reasonable, and this applies to any student. I think if the possibility of getting a reasonable extension is available to all students, it's not unfair.
[–]Twubble 135 points136 points137 points 1 year ago
Have you ever checked to see if the font of all the periods match up? If I was required to have an 8 page paper and had only written about 6 I would just replace all the periods with a slightly larger font and gain about a full page in length.
It is hardly noticeable on paper but easy to catch if you are grading a word document.
[–]rsavage 292 points293 points294 points 1 year ago
I don't know what program you are in, but I find in post-grad studies it's always a matter of not enough space instead of too much.
Papers should be graded on content, not length, regardless.
[–]Sweddy 157 points158 points159 points 1 year ago
|Papers should be graded on content, not length, regardless.
I agree, hence why I never understood the logic behind 'LOL 500 WORD ESSAY'
[–]Filobel 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
Simple. Any good essay, book, article, paper, etc. should be written in two steps.
Step 1: write as much as you can.
Step 2: take away everything that is unnecessary.
You can't skip straight to step 2, so school starts by teaching you step 1, only when you master step 1 do they teach you step 2, just like they make sure you understand addition before teaching multiplying.
Also, practice makes perfect. Teachers ask you to write 500 word essays because they want you to practice your writting skills. Do you think a 100m sprinter never run more than 100m when training for the event?
[–]Ancguy 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Yeah, gotta work on those writting skills. (Sorry- couldn't resist.)
[–]Umpa 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
Mini-Skirt Rule:
Long enough to cover what's needed, short enough to keep it interesting.
[–]rsavage 174 points175 points176 points 1 year ago
500 words is brutal. How can you say anything worthwhile in 500 words?
[–]dixond 390 points391 points392 points 1 year ago
I don't know. I agree that your comment is totally worthless.
[–]techdawg667 55 points56 points57 points 1 year ago
Nope. Zero on the final.
[–]rabblerabbler 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
You know, this is why we're all buddies.
[–]just_some_redditor 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
So many inside jokes with each other. It's like we have friends!
[–]rsavage 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
You agree with what exactly? Did not ground argument. F on paper.
[–]TinyEarl 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
*not exactly the most comfortable way to do it
[–]TheOldKesha 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
perfection has been achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away.
or, for those for whom even that is tl;dr: brevity is the soul of
[–]Juan_Solo 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
soul of what?
[–]Spavid 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
No, not what. Wit.
[–]Juan_Solo 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
what?
[–]funwheeldrive 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
bacon?
[–]Echospree 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I've preferred:
brevity is...wit.
[–]thutch 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
This reminds me of some thing the new yorker did where they switched around common sayings. The best was:
Life is the soul of wit. Brevity is Short.
[–]mmrnmhrm 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
brewity.
[–]jeffp12 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
The Gettysburg Address is about 260 words.
[–]rsavage 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Context of you and your reader/audience are always important.
[–]Juan_Solo 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I think some of the most worthwhile things are said in under 500 words, while some of the most banal and vapid just drag on. I say, read an essay, and if it's convincing, it's an A, regardless of length. I consider a concise, well thought out, and air tight argument, efficiency in communication.
[–]vinfx 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Filling 500 words is brutal when you have nothing worthwhile to say. (And would rather go play outside.)
[–]DrAwesomeClaws 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
"Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life. So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us."
— Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."
— Richard P. Feynman
If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliche that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem. Love and peace are eternal.
— John Lennon
Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side.
— Mahatma Gandhi
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
— Carl Sagan
Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts. Some of you like Pep rallies and plastic robots who tell you what to read. Forget I mentioned it. This song has no message. Rise for the flag salute.
— Frank Zappa
A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.
— Martin Luther King, Jr.
I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours.
— Hunter S. Thompson
[confiscating the skateboard] That's not a crime punishable by death.
— "Charles" [ Scott Baio] on the hit series "Charles in Charge"
[Creationists] make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
— Isaac Asimov
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
— Thomas Jefferson
To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing.
— Isaac Newton
Can you believe all this is only 420 words?
[–]rsavage 46 points47 points48 points 1 year ago
Within the context of a university paper.
Many of these things are interesting points. How about expanding on them, there doesn't seam to be a binding theme. The writing style is disjointed between paragraphs with little flow. Central thesis is buried, no conclusion or intro for the reader. ETC.
[–]jagger27 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Seam...binding. I cracked up just a bit.
[–]Bradp13 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Just send them half of a picture, no?
[–]TrueGrey 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
That's like asking for half of a rock. It's still a rock! I'd rather write the 500 words than deal with THAT Platonic paradox...
[–]ComicFoil 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
That's the difficulty of the task. You need to make a point, and you need to make it quickly. No messing around.
[–]nats15 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Exactly. I can write a 10 page essay on a subject I am passionate about, but it is hard as fuck to write an argumentative 500 word essay.
[–]JibCutter 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
We had one prof that gave us painfully small page maximum limits in order to teach us how to write tersely, it worked. Now you'd just end up with 1.5 page long twitter posts.
I've forgotten everything.
[–]InsulinDependent 31 points32 points33 points 1 year ago
College senior and nearly every assignment i have ever had has been 2-3 hours of legitimate work and then 5 hours of devising ways to make it longer to meet ridiculous and meaningless length requirements
[–]Sykos 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Third year University student. Every paper I write is 10-14 hours of research, 8-10 hours of writing, and then another 4-6 hours of editing. I have yet to find a situation in which I'm devising ways to make a paper longer. I agree that length requirements are useless. However, I don't think the professor want you to write 4000 words. The professor is telling you how much research you need to do for this assignment. You're not meeting the requirements for one of two reasons:
1) Not enough words = not enough research. 2) Too many words = paper isn't refined enough.
[–]Ilves7 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Research requirements are wholly dependent upon your major and subject material of the course. Sometimes no research is required, just analysis.
[–]mudkippers 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
I give a general word count target. I don't really care how long an essay is, just how good the argument is. When students ask for the exact word or page count, I just say, "I think it would be difficult to answer the question well in under X or over Y pages." The problem with exact word/page counts is that it leads to students putting in filler writing to try to reach the mandated length. This often leads to bad writing habits. For more advanced classes I put in page limits, saying I don't want a paper longer than X.
[–]FaithwithinReason 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
I did this all the time when the teacher asked for some bullshit assignment. In Word: CTRL+F > Replace Tab > Change formatting for period to maybe two font size larger > Replace All. It doesn't even change the period size, but actually changes the spacing around the period. So on a printed paper it's completely unnoticeable. I wasn't able to get away with it later when teachers started to request a Word document. I knew people who edited the margins but that's easy to catch.
[–]Andewz111 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I would mess with the kerning to gain length. You could usually bump the kerning up a few points without being noticed and gain a half page at least.
[–][deleted] 111 points112 points113 points 1 year ago
Yes. I've been in college for 3 years now and have never once dared to try this, because you know about the assignments so far in advance that they don't care about your technical issues.
[–]nomis_nehc 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
Yes. This.
If you for whatever reason couldn't finish it in time, just talk to the professor. Unless you somehow has stood out for being a douche, the professors I have had to asked of this never turned me down.
But might be because I am charming.
[–]HollowImage 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
it takes a while for students to understand that college work load is large (assuming you are there to learn and not go to keggers every night). and the next thing takes even long: asking professors for extensions is OKAY and moreover sometimes blindly necessary.
If you ask for an extension, you stand nothing to lose, but a lot to gain: 1. profs disposition to your will to turn in a quality assignment granted another day, 2. a kick in the arse for procrastinating this long.
the latter helps in the long run, the former in the immediate future.
In both cases, you win or at least NOT lose.
From what I learned, though, you do have to exercise some care about HOW you ask for the said extension; depending on the professor, discipline and type of the assignment. papers, are easiest, problem sets with solutions posted right after are the hardest. Everything else lies in between. Sometimes you can negotiate a partial extension; for the problem set for instance, turn in what you have as is, and the rest asap, and suffer some finite penalty, If there is some honor code at the school, just promise the prof you wont look at the solutions, and that may also help your case (though not always).
tl;dr: its okay to ask fr an extension, you have nothing to lose. dont be afraid of your prof.
[–]spince 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
Key to legitimacy for extensions is asking for extensions EARLIER than later, like by a few days. Not 30 minutes before the deadline.
1) Ensures your professor got a chance to review your email/request and think about it. (Professors rarely sit around waiting for the assignments to come in, and even so, if it comes in 30 minutes before the deadline, it's pretty annoying)
2) Actually shows that you were genuinely thinking about the assignment and looking forward, trying to balance a lot of other things. 30 minutes before the deadline tells the professor that you honestly didn't think about/start the assignment until just now.
[–]FataOne 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
This cannot be stressed enough.
In one of my classes this semester, we had a rough draft for a research paper that was supposed to be due last Thursday. About a week before, in one of the discussion sections with the TA, a couple students raised concerns about how quickly the deadline was approaching and how busy they had been with exams in their other classes. The TA didn't say much but, two days later, we got an email saying that the rough draft was pushed back two weeks.
Not all professors are out to make their student's lives a living hell. Sometimes you just need to express your concern to them or a TA. Going to their office hours or relaying your concerns to the TA helps as well.
[–]sineteexorem 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Agreed on this. If my students e-mail me two hours before their midterm begging to take it later because they simply can't grasp the material, then the answer is a flat no. Absolutely not. Do your studying in advance and don't waste my time with last-minute excuses. If they e-mail me a few days in advance or, better yet, come in to my office hours to ask for extra help, hell, I'll offer them an extension.
[–]nogami 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago*
As a college teacher, I can confirm this statement.
Files that can't be opened are not my problem, it's the student's responsibility to submit files that can be graded. We had to give out a few zeros to students in the first term. After that, the rest got the message.
Hint: Want to be sure it worked? Submit the file early and ask me if it's OK. I'd be happy to check at any time before the due date. Time permitting, I'll even check ON the due date as long as you ask me before the beginning of class.
Also time permitting I'd do some forensic investigation on corrupt files submitted to me, and if they did it on purpose, we'd be having a "chat". Most of our students rely on personal recommendations for job postings they apply for after graduation...
[–]hobosuit 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
honest question: how can you tell a file that has been broken on purpose (in the way op suggested)
[–]Tunk 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Experience, knowing the magic numbers and various files structure/how they look. Though I dont work in academia I have seen people hand me tons of files without extensions, incorrect extensions or just plain busted.
Knowing the difference between various image and document formats really helps, and if it is a real file rather than a rubbish file renamed there is the chance to recover/read it anyway.
[–]cezar 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
If it's an issue with your machine, then it is by all means your problem. Though I would expect that would be an easy thing to check for.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Yeah if you try this it's a pretty big gamble. The file size and the fact that even with corrupt files you can still drag them into notepad and see a bit of the text would give you away. An empty corrupt file is still an empty file.
[–]MrSnoobs 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Absolutely this - many Universities have a fairly long standing policy of grading 0 for any submission that is late or broken regardless of the reason. More often than not, a printed version is required alongside the electronic for just this reason.
To reiterate the above: DO NOT DO THIS - IT WILL ONLY END IN FAILURE AND TEARS.
Agree. It might work on a 100 level class, but when you get high up in your major, most teachers don't take crap like this.
[–]nemec 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Then again, the higher up you get in your major the easier it is to get an extension.
[–]BaconatedGrapefruit 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
The engineering department at my school has it right. If what you're handing in is a fairly big chunk of your mark (10%+) they will ask for the following
Fail to hand any one of the three in, you just got yourself a zero. Nothing better then spending a couple hours printing out hundreds of dimensioned CAD drawings then ordering them.
[–]BrowsOfSteel 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
CD copies are digital copies.
[–]nemec 31 points32 points33 points 1 year ago
We're required to encode our essays on betamax =/
[–]BaconatedGrapefruit 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Digital copies are usually in reference to something that will be submitted online.
[–]zeppelinfromled 330 points331 points332 points 1 year ago
You emailed papers in high school? I feel old.
[–]myhandleonreddit 89 points90 points91 points 1 year ago
I'm old enough to not have ever experienced this and young enough to not have any kids in the public school system so I've never even imagined it. This brave new world!
[–]WYSOSERIOUS 58 points59 points60 points 1 year ago
Dude, thank you so much for posting your comment and adding "brave new world" to the end, I just remembered I need to read the first 4 chapters for tomorrow. THANK YOU.
[–]Cindarin 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
4 chapters!? If you just pick it up and start reading, you'll likely be done tonight. It's short and quite entertaining.
[–]SuperfluousMoniker 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I really wish just one of my English teachers had assigned us to read something as good as Brave New World instead of the lesser known Shakespeares and fucking Ethan Frome (shudder).
[–]Sumguy42 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Talk to P-DUB, he is an expert at doing homework.
[–]Laziness 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I often lament how much easier my educational career would have been if the internets had been around.
[–]gfixler 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I totally would have been Dennis, sitting in the corner, keyboard on my lap, not giving a good god damn.
[–]awfulgrace 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Wow - I forgot about that show. Thanks for bringing it back!
[–]shegeki 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
I'm currently in high school but I don't get to email in papers.
[–]anexanhume 54 points55 points56 points 1 year ago
I actually had this happen, but I did the assignments. OpenOffice just liked to troll me with its random formatting changes.
[–]DrMarianus 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
As did I. Every time I tried to use OpenOffice, the file would be corrupted after I saved it.
[–]ggggbabybabybaby 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
That's why I lost faith in Open Office during my stint at university. I tried to be all progressive and support open source but I wasn't willing to bet my entire academic career on it.
[–]Jumin 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
dumb question of me to ask, but did you update and save in proper format?
[–]mhsttd 229 points230 points231 points 1 year ago
I did this once in a class during high school. The teacher never asked me to send the paper again but rather gave me an A on the assignment. It was this day that I realized my teacher was lazier than me.
[–]michaelstripe 131 points132 points133 points 1 year ago
high school: four years of daycare for teenagers
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
public high school: free daycare
[–]ggggbabybabybaby 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
And free weapons training.
[–]groupthinkjunkie 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
not free.
Compared to the cost of real daycare, it might as well be.
[–]jaybof 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
came here to post exact same story. Except I was in college
[–]SureSheDid 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Or didn't want to seem dumb for not being able to figure out how to open the file. He probably thought he screwed it up and didn't want to mention it to you.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
I had a prof. outright say that she knew about this trick and don't even try it. "Easy way to get dropped from the class," she said.
[–]ayriana 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
This is why I (a teacher) open all attachments when they are e-mailed to me, even if I won't get around to grading it for a few days.
[–]sithyiscool 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
During College, Office 2007 came out, I installed it, typed up a homework assignment and turned it in.
Later I got a 0 on the assignment because the teacher couldn't open a .docx file type and I had no idea they changed the file extension from .doc
DAMN!
[–]Bexcellent2eachother 66 points67 points68 points 1 year ago
Easier
[–]unnecessary_axiom 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Plus, with this it's easier to create a file that matches the size more closely.
[–]churika 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Or you can do =rand(100) in Word and hit enter.
[–]skritch 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
dd if=/dev/urandom of=essay.doc bs=1M count=4
[–]eat4fun 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
TIL.
[–]dave_casa 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I just did =rand(100) in Word 2007, hit enter, and nothing happened.
[–]AlphaRedditor 235 points236 points237 points 1 year ago
I just slept with the teacher. Almost got in trouble when the principal found out. Slept with her too.
[–]HyperbolicFrolic 332 points333 points334 points 1 year ago
That's how I passed Kindergarten.
[–]bon_mot 155 points156 points157 points 1 year ago
I know the joke you were going for, but I pictured you as a post-pubescent male who finally decides to try the sexual favors route after a decade of failed attempts to pass kindergarten.
[–]mynoduesp 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
Ah yes, the kindergarten cop-out... Who is your daddy and what does he do?
[–]triceracop 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
There's a porno plot to be written here. Well, actually, that's pretty much all of it. But it could totally be a porno. (Just to be clear, no kindergarteners would be featured.)
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
niiiiceeeeeeeee...
[–]blockhead123 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
This works better in college.
[–]codebrown 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago*
Everytime I get a blood test, I just sleep with the nurse. I always pass!
[–]wdr1 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
So you were homeschooled?
[–]SpartaWillBurn 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Was it weird that your mom was the principal?
[–]fortysevendicks 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago
YES. I remember when Vista came out I did this all the time.
"Excuese me, but I cant seem to open your paper"
"Hrmmm, I did it on Vista... I hear they're having a lot of compatibility problems"
"Oh yeah, Ive heard that too. Just get it to me soon..."
[–]BruinsFan478 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
A friend of mine wrote a VB5 app which had a Word icon and was a simple Message Box, "Would you like to format the floppy". Regardless of pressing Yes/No, it would say the disc was formatted.
He would hand this in and when the teacher would say that there was a problem, he would pretend that it was his only copy and the teacher was to blame.
Kid was an asshole, but creative at that.
[–]eat4fun 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Kevin Mitnick, is that you?
[–]goatboy1970 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago*
English prof here. WE KNOW! We pulled the same shit when we were undergrads. Just turn it in on time. Not doing so is almost literally the only way to fail my class. Following directions + submitting on time = at least a C.
[edited for grammar]
[–]joshmc333 45 points46 points47 points 1 year ago
Just turn it in on time. That's almost literally the only way to fail my class.
English prof here?
[–]IkLms 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Man, I really wish I was an English Major. Do your work and you can not get below a C. Nearly 3/4th of the kids in my engineering classes work their asses off to just pass with a C.
[–]CarpetFibers 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
We pulled the same shut
Damn you, autocorrect!
[–]rabblerabbler 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
These are the things we need to know. Tehnically, the things I needed to now before I passed abnd got unemployed abd drunk.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
Nope, zero on the final.
[–]WabashSon 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Does this work on Dissertations? o_O
[–][deleted] 58 points59 points60 points 1 year ago
If someone waits until the last minute to do their Dissertation the only thing I can advise is fuckloads of whiskey.
[–]quantumcoffeemug 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
That's the only thing I can advise if you're working on your dissertation, period.
[–]mccoyn 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Dissertations don't have deadlines.
[–]NeilFraser 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Yes they do at the OU in the UK.
I emailed a digital copy on time, but my hardcopy (sent by FedEx) got lost in the university mailroom for a few days. They gave me a zero. £10,000 and four years of work went poof as a result. Never got my degree. The way their program is structured I'd have to start from scratch in year one. Appeal denied.
[–]triceracop 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Wow, I sincerely hope good things happen to you, unluckily fucked sir.
[–]IrrationalTsunami 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
We had to turn things in on paper.
Hard to fake that.
[–]triceracop 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"There was writing on it when I printed it out." Or maybe you're old enough that you hand-wrote stuff...whoa.
[–]Rain12913 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Reposting this reply as its own comment:
Listen to what happened to ...my friend:
He did something extremely similar that had the same end result, except it worked out even better than he expected. He'd been slacking off in a class where 90% of the final grade was based on essays that were to be e-mailed to the professor at the end of each week throughout the semester. He had done 2-3 of the 12+ essays, but he hadn't even started working on the rest by the last week of class; he planned to complete them all during this time and then e-mail them to the prof before the grading period was over, hoping to lose only a few points due to how late they'd be.
Being a slacker and chronic procrastinator (almost typed protagonist there, which seems like a very solipsist thing to say...), my friend underestimated how hard it would be to bang out 10 essays in a single week (and the last week of the term, no less). He came up with the idea of sending the professor an e-mail saying: "just making sure you've received all of my essays, thanks!." Of course, the professor would not have received all of the essays, since most of them hadn't even been written yet, let alone sent. He'd surely just e-mail my friend back asking him to send them again, giving my friend a few extra days to complete the essays.
So, he sent the e-mail and began working on the first essay. An hour later, he received the following e-mail from his professor: "Dear JoeShmoe, got all your essays. thanks!". ....WTF?!? Now my friend began to panic, since he figured that the professor must have been on to him and was surely trying to call him out. Rather than e-mailing the professor back and saying "wait, are you sure you received them? uh, just wondering..." like a total idiot, he simply did nothing (remember, he's a procrastinator).
One week later, he got an A- in the class. Yep, the professor had simply lied and made up his grade. He'd decided that my friend had earned an A- in the class, despite only completing about 20% of the coursework. Makes you think about how often this has happened to you when you really did pass in the work, doesn't it?
[–]l_l_troll_j 86 points87 points88 points 1 year ago
If you did this with me, I'd:
1) Compare file size of original file you sent and the final one you sent. If they are way off, then I'll give you a 0.
2) Open your Word file in Notepad and if any of the plain text that is visible has nothing to do with your final paper, then I will give you a 0.
3) Better yet, open both files in UltraEdit and do a diff compare.
[–]Pulch 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
I guess I was never quite as lazy as OP, I would generally do this when i was not quite finished, but mostly done (if they had a hard email deadline), and just copy paste what I already had written to get the file to the right size. If they just did a glance at the file in some other program it would seem like a mostly legit. paper.
[–]masterm 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago
if your email server or the other guys email server decides to throw shit up, checking file sizes wont work. realistically, teachers shouldnt be using email for submissions, they should use something that returns a checksum
[–]JeremiahRossini 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
There is checksumming throughout this process, at many levels. The only part where a file could be corrupted, I believe, is the downloading or uploading of the attachment, and only by clipping.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
So far 26 upvotes with 26 people not understanding how mail servers work. Awesome.
[–]Lucky75 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
You're going to want to add a bunch of dummy text to the word file before you submit it so the file size changes though.
Back when we didn't submit things on computers, I would submit an old assignment that looked similar, and then apologize the next day saying that I think I submitted the wrong one.
[–][deleted] 60 points61 points62 points 1 year ago
Haha. There was a math teacher I had that it was so easy to trick. Every Friday, he would call up everyone individually. He'd say "Monday's assignment?" and you would say Done or Not Done. He would do this for every day of the week, but every now and then he would actually check one to see if you were lying - the punishment for which I am unsure of.
To counter this, I never did a single assignment, and would always say "Not Done" for one of the days. This instilled confidence in him that I wasn't lying, and in turn he never checked mine.
I got a B+ in that Math class and I never did a single assignment all 6 months.
[–]smithysmitherson 79 points80 points81 points 1 year ago
Nice work skipping out on math! High five! (FYI you have five(5) fingers on one hand. )
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Well I still gave it my attention in class. The grade division was something like 30% Homework, 70% tests, or 40% homework/60% tests.
Let's assume that homework was given the higher priority out of the two, or 40%. By me saying I had one out of five assignments not done, that would mean I got credit for 80% of the homework grade, OR 32% of my entire grade. I got a B+ in the class, so let's assume I got around 88% final grade. That means I got 56% out of the 60% needed for the tests, OR 93% (A average for tests).
I know the shit. I think one of the primary reason's students don't do assignments is that they are bored. If I can look at my notes and learn the stuff, and can get out of doing assignments I thought were boring, I seized the opportunity.
EDIT: I'm not sure if you meant that as an insult, that's how I read it though
[–]wildfyre010 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
You are an outlier. There's a very large body of evidence demonstrating the correlation between completing homework assignments - particularly in technical disciplines like math or chemistry - and good performance on exams. You should be proud of your ability to not fail a course despite doing none of the homework, but not everyone can do that.
[–]phirate 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
I'm not particularly proud of the fact that I made it through high school doing the absolute bare minimum and still getting higher grades than many of my peers.
It left me completely crippled in the face of getting a post-secondary education. I was smart enough to know that I would never get through college with my home-work ethic. I wasn't going to waste anyones time pretending otherwise.
Plenty of people 'dumber' than myself made it to college and did just fine because they were the hard workers in high school. They set themselves to the work as soon as they got it and they worked diligently to make it the best they could. I could never get the hang of that. Even if it was the make-up project for the make-up project that I was assigned because I never did the first project in the first place, I would wait until the absolute last second and throw together enough bullshit to pull a passing grade. Thank goodness for tests I guess.
There really is nothing to be proud of if you can pass a class without trying. It's the effort put in that should be the measure of pride.
[–]rainman_104 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I had the same problem. I breezed through high school with decent grades, but in university I hit a wall really quickly with my shitty study habits. I plan to do everything I can to give my kids better work ethic than mine.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I did a similar thing. In grade 8 I had a teacher that would say "OK everyone, have your homework out on your desk where I can see it". She would then walk around and glance at everyones hand written assignment to make sure it was completed. I would say about half of the kids had an empty desk, and got a zero. Me? I pulled out a random piece of paper every week with some notes on it and passed it off as my homework. She didn't even look at it, just glanced. I got 100% for the homework mark that year.
[–]BeerCzar 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I did this in High School but would never try it in College.
[–]The_narrator101 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Thank god teacher dont go on reddit.....0_0
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
Perhaps the biggest irony here is that I'm going to school to become an English teacher.
My own procrastination (which I have outgrown) has taught me some good things to look out for from students in my future profession, and has given me ideas on ways to make methods such as this useless.
So maybe procrastination was a good thing, in my case at least.
[–]Circus_McGee 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
I'm just getting out of school to become an English teacher. Don't forget the things you saw that were effective/ineffective in high school. It is harder than I expected to get back into the mindset of a high schooler after only five years.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Thanks for the tip.
I've only been out almost 4 years now, and already High School kids seem incredibly foreign.
[–]NotClever 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
What's even weirder is when college kids become completely foreign after about 2 years in the working world.
[–]AngryData 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Unless of course you worked all the way up to and through college in which case they were foreign all along.
Make them hand in .pdfs and/or hard copies of their things, then they can't do stuff like this.
[–]MoreCowbellPlease 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
The only thing I remember about college is how many times my grandmother died.
/channeling_zach
[–]Zandt88 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Why was I not surprised to see the word "apologize" misspelled in a post about how to get around something in school?
[–]Lucky_Mongoose 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I'm more impressed that your high school used the internet for assignments. I only graduated from high school 4 years ago and our school website hardly even worked. (There was no way in hell our school would have been able to handle online assignment submissions)
Maybe I was right on the edge of the change. Can I now complain about "kids these days"?
[–]captainbawls 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
Trick I used in High School and college all the time, never failed: do your shit on time.
You can email your assignments to your teachers now?
You kids have it WAY too easy. Back in my day we put pen to paper, baby!
[–]thcobbs 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I never handed in a paper as a computer file. All my teachers required it be printed out.
[–]mindaika 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
It's 2011. Who is still using paper?
[–]venuswasaflytrap 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Another good trick my friend pulled once (highschool, not university), was you write the first page of your assignment, staple a few blank pages on the back, and then rip off the blank pages at the staple so it looks like they got lost.
Finish assignment, when teacher says (in class) that they don't have the rest of your assignment (3 days later) happily go print them a completed copy. I feel the existence of the first page really sells this one, and frankly, my friend is a genius to come up with it and earned the extension (it's just some shitty highschool class after all).
[–]cjcee 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
How did handing in assignments work in your school? I am fairly certain any teacher that saw me hand them a paper with a chunk missing would give me a big ಠ_ಠ
[–]darkpaladin 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I was a TA and I had someone do this to me once. I replied back informing them that computers do not actually work that way.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
Good eye. I've seen students get busted on pretty intricate plots, but at the same time a fellow student (and my friend) once got away with telling the teacher "I couldn't print the essay, my router wasn't working".
[–]masterm 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
what if they were using a cloud service to store their files?
[–]tankintheair315 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I have a networked laser printer. It won't print if my router is dead.
[–]ejukator 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
It's a good thing teachers and professors don't browse Reddit!
[–]MOLESTOTHESUPERAPIST 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
And when I was in high school I turned in all my work on paper like a dumbass
[–]trahh 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
This idea has become so widely spread that it went from teachers being nice that something went wrong to simply avoiding straight trickery and not giving any excuses.
[–]Cosmic_Charlie 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
And this, ladies and gents, is precisely why I require hardcopies. I will accept an electronic copy (it's easier to mark-uo and grade,) but only with an exact hardcopy.
[–]SadPig 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
<sigh> I don't know where you go to school, but take my word for it, it's lame. We have seen it, and all similar excuses, many times before. Grow a pair and say that you want to turn the assignment in late.
dd if=/dev/random of=assignment.doc bs=1024 count=50
[–]Enginerdiest 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Needless to say, this won't work in a college CS class about checksums and hashes.....
[–]groberts1980 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I had a professor in college who would have looked at the time tag on the file you re-sent. He would have only accepted the new file if the "last modified" time was no later than the actual due date. Basically, don't try this in college.
[–]scrapper 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Just retro-set your system date/time before you make the final file save.
[–]multiply_regressed 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
And then when the professor checks the properties of the new document, they'll see when it was created...
[–]NovelTea420 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Ahh, the future un/under-employed American workers of tomorrow... don't expect your new boss, Mr. Xiu, to be as understanding.
[–]psulli 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
I've worked with people like you in life after college. It sucks.
[–]goddamnsam 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Too bad I'm a journalism major, and if this happened my professor would say "too late, whether this was a mistake or not, you missed the deadline, that's all that matters."
[–]nkuvu 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Most of my computer science classes were the same. There was plenty of warning about the policy -- but whatever you submitted at the deadline would be what you got graded on.
Then again, most of my assignments required hard copy as well as electronic submission. The electronic submission was to allow the professor/TA to run the program easily, hard copy for grading and writing comments. So a corrupted electronic file wouldn't help anyway.
[–]ok_kid_a 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I once did this in college and it worked out without submitting real paper.
After not getting finished with a paper come 11:59pm of the due date I submitted a corrupted file while continuing to work on the paper throughout the night.
After a few days I had completed the paper and I was pretty happy with it, yet I had not received an email from the professor. Eventually I checked my grade online and apparently received an 89% for a word document with nothing but corrupted text.
My roommate in the same class got an 98% on his paper, so our theory is that the teacher just went through everyone's assignment grade and hit 8's and 9's.
TLDR, Submitted a corrupted a paper got an 89% on it without ever getting an email from the professor.
[–]bzeurunkl 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
High School? Hell, I've done this to the U.S. Government (my employer at the time). ;-)
[–]techdawg667 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
You have homework assignments ... from you employer?
[–]ukyah 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
who emails assignments in high school? since when do you not just turn in hard copies? am i that old and out of touch?
[–]burntbones 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Teacher here. That's why you ask for the hard copy.....
[–]Airazz 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
In my uni they require to submit paper copy too.
[–]realblublu 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I kinda did this accidentally. Turned in my assignment, but for some reason, the file I sent was an empty file. Got a reply (several days after the deadline) saying that, I immediately sent the correct file. The teacher may have suspected I was pulling something like this, but I honestly wasn't. Oh well. It was a really stupid assignment for a really stupid class with a really stupid teacher anyway.
[–]SirKeyboardCommando 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I always BCC'd myself and checked the attachment to make sure it worked.
I heard a story once that someone was in a group that was supposed to be gathering data, and another group was supposed to write the code to use the data to generate the stats and info that were needed for a study.
The boss of the code writing group started saying in meetings that HIS group was already done, and it was that damned data gathering group that was the holdup.
So the boss of the data gathering group went to the next meeting, handed over a blank tape and said "OK, we're done, here's your data."
The 2nd guy, of course, was nowhere near done. It took 3 more months before they were even ready to start looking at the data. When they discovered they couldn't read the tape, they said as much, and by then the first guy had the real data, and said "Hm, must have made an error in saving the data. Here's another copy."
[–]momentary 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
downvote just because this needs to stay a secret
[–]temujin64 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
For my university, all official papers such as this must be handed in as a hard copy, no exceptions. I always thought they were just being inflexible, but I can see now.
One time I realized I forgot to do a huge assignment. Our webmail software was really, really shitty and would read the received-by date from the mail header instead of generate a real one.
So before I went to class on the day it was due, I wrote the professor an email asking a question, and forged the date header to be a week earlier. Then after class, when everyone else had turned in their assignment, I went up to her and told her I never received a reply from her. She waded through her cluttered inbox and found my question from "the week before" and apologized profusely and allowed me to turn it in much later.
I still feel like such a shitty person for doing that.
[–]kyb0t 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Did something similar in high school to a teacher who thought very highly of me. I was expecting a request to turn in the assignment but none came. When she called students up to give them their grades on the paper she just told me she couldn't read the document but gave me a 100 anyway.
Epic win... But I only did it that once, I knew it was never gonna work that perfectly again.
[–]wahooyahoo 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Fuck, stop upvoting this. I actually do this and can't afford others doing it as well.
[–]Codeegirl 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Wow. When I was in high school we couldn't email the teachers, we had to hand in actual paper with words on them. God I feel old.
[–]bluehorseshoe 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
When I was in high school we went to school and handed in hard copies. Students are emailing assignments now?
Confirmation: This does not work in college.
[–]Im_Condescending 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
You might enjoy file destructor. Saw it on reddit still havn't used it thou.
[–]mbateman 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I've seen students that submit just one page saying it was an old copy. Then several days later submit the full assignment saying that they'd just noticed they'd accidentally submitted the wrong version. I always class it as a late submission.
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