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[–]James_dude 32 points33 points ago

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I fail to see the downside of infinite eggs.

[–]jeff0 9 points10 points ago

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Proper consumption of infinite eggs requires infinite bacon.

[–]joss33 6 points7 points ago

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How is it infinite? It's the same one egg over and over again. If you remove it there will be none.

[–]James_dude 5 points6 points ago

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Shhhh don't tell the banks that

[–]drunkendonuts 60 points61 points ago

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[–]wamsachel 46 points47 points ago

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Hah! Reminds me of this little gem from a while back

[–]drunkendonuts 13 points14 points ago

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Touche.

[–]surpriseawesomeness 4 points5 points ago

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Is this considered meta?

[–]wamsachel 1 point2 points ago

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It's pretty much the new pun thread.

You saw it here.

[–]MissNippl-e 1 point2 points ago

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I first pronounced that douche with a "t"

[–]thisissamsaxton 1 point2 points ago

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Hey! Give credit where it's due. HERE is the original.

[–]SalamiWilliams 2 points3 points ago

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oh i see what you did there. clever

[–]kleinbl00 2065 points2066 points ago*

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Shall we have an adult conversation about reposts? Yeah, let's at least try that. Because the top comment is "if it is new to me, it is new to me, repost or not."

So here's the thing. Reddit's fiat currency is karma. The fact that karma is completely valueless everywhere but Reddit is irrelevant; the system we occupy puts a score next to every post and every comment and gives every registered user an opportunity to increase or decrease that score. Despite the valuelessness of karma, the admins quickly ban karma parties. Despite the valuelessness of karma, the admins prohibit manipulation through sockpuppets or scripts. So despite the valuelessness of karma, it is a currency system with fiduciary controls and active policing.

Here's another thing. Without extra scripts, the only value you see next to your name is link karma. For the longest time, link karma was the only karma counted. I know web stuff worse than lots of other things, but my theory on this is that external links are those that increase Reddit's pagerank. By linking Reddit to other websites, Reddit's "GNP" increases. Reddit is essentially an importer and exporter of intellectual property - we import things from 4chan, we import things from SA, we import things from Fark, we import things from far-flung and disparate corners of the internet for local consumption. We then export them - to Facebook, to stumbleupon, through email links to our friends, etc. If cat pictures and memes could be put in a shipping container, there would be supertankers and barges full of Reddit sailing the seas to all harbors great and small.

But in international commerce as well as internet culture, "new and fresh" counts for more than "old and venerated." Your friends and family are going to be more impressed when you link to the homeless dude with the incredible voice than they are when you link to dancing baby or chocolate rain. Sure, there are people on the internet who have never heard Chocolate Rain. There are people on the internet who have never been rickroll'd. But they are people whose email forwards you tend to delete without reading, and people who are always a little bit behind the curve.

Culture is always best when it is served up fresh. And while Reddit has grown as big as it has by serving up fresh culture (comparatively speaking; few individuals are brave enough to comb the bayous of /b/ but they are more than happy to reward those who come back from the wilds with treasure), "freshness" has taken on different meaning for different redditors.

"new to you" does not cut it.

You see, when the economy is happy to reward Chinese knock-offs, originals do not make their money back. When piles of karma are heaped upon old jokes, the effort of finding new jokes is diminished. When your marketplace has no taste, the tasteless are rewarded and the tastemakers leave.

Call it gentrification if you want - that cool Arts District that everybody wanted to live in even if it meant sharing a toilet ceases to be cool when insurance reps in Hunter Green ford explorers move into trendy new "live/work" lofts just so they can convince their friends in the 'burbs that they're hip. The very thing that drew people in the first place leaves.

And every time you reward a Reddit user with Reddit's fiat currency for serving up something stale rather than something fresh, you are diminishing the market value of freshness. And every time you diminish the market value of freshness, you push us one step further away from Zanzibar and one step closer to WalMart.

How 'bout a visual aid? For those of you not in the US, here's the transcript:

This... stuff'? Oh. Okay. I see. You think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select... I don't know... that lumpy blue sweater, for instance because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent... wasn't it who showed cerulean military jackets? I think we need a jacket here. And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it, uh, filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff.

Most of us are on Reddit because we like to be closer to Oscar de la Renta. Reposts drag us closer and closer to Casual Corner. And while Casual Corner might be just fine for you, understand that when you diminish the value of Oscar de la Renta, you're watering down the stuff you're here for, whether or not you care to appreciate originality when you see it.

[–]mikekearn 136 points137 points ago

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On the one hand, I would like to agree with you, in that new content is generally preferable to old content.

On the other hand, I've been a frequent user of the Internet for over a decade, and I'm constantly seeing new (to me) things, only to check the comments and see a thousand screams of "REPOST!!!" Yes, I'm sure some people have seen it before, but when someone posts a link to a reddit submission from a week back and says, "This guy stole this, I posted this a week ago!" but his submission only has 12 votes, while the current one has 4354, then I get annoyed. Clearly not very many people saw that other post, so submitting it again is not always an attempt to karma whore. Sometimes it's genuine ignorance that it existed before (especially if the source is unknown and the title is not descriptive enough to search for it) combined with wanting to share something that is, again, new to that person.

[–]LegoLegume 61 points62 points ago

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I'm constantly seeing new (to me) things, only to check the comments and see a thousand screams of "REPOST!!!"

This is exactly the issue. Where's the cutoff for something being "too old"? Unless something has just been created odds are some people will have seen it before and there there's no obvious way of knowing how many of the potential audience that might encompass.

Personally I think it's the common fundamental attribution error to assume that people reposting stuff that is old are doing it solely to gain karma. Old doesn't mean it isn't worth revisiting. I rewatch shows and movies, reread books, replay games and even retell old jokes to my friends. When they stop being enjoyable I stop doing them. If I still enjoyed something I've seen before then I'll upvote it for the same reason I upvoted it the first time.

Interestingly as far as reddit's value is concerned, the community and comments are a big part of why I come here. I'm interested in what people have to say about posts. Even if it is a repost if there's a new discussion that's interesting to me and more than worth seeing the subject again. By the same token, though, if everyone acts like a dick and does nothing but bitch in the comments I'm far less interested overall.

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 20 points21 points ago

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Reddit needs to calm the fuck down and stop with the "REPOST" shouts. Yes, if someone is not called out, he would keep on reposting or someone else will. For every "REPOST" shout there will be a few karma whores, insightful comments, "lol haha" comments and the ilk. I have never seen a reposted submission to have all the comments shouting "REPOST", "HAVE I SEEN THIS BEFORE?".

One can't expect someone to know about every fucking post which was submitted on Reddit. Technology can go as far of as Tineye at the moment and some thing is bound to come up which detects reposts too. Maybe the Reddit staff is already working on it?

Patience, people, patience.

TL;DR: Every one calm the fuck down and have some patience. LRN2COEXIST.

[–]ChrisAndersen 7 points8 points ago

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I have never seen a repost that has annoyed me as much as those who yell "REPOST!"

[–]Pas__ 1 point2 points ago

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Personally I think it's the common fundamental attribution error to assume that people reposting stuff that is old are doing it solely to gain karma.

I think the problem is rather inherent to communities with diverse audiences, that is big subsets of the community want to emphasize different and sometimes colliding aspects of the system used by the community. A good system should allow these subcommunities to thrive and interact with each other and incentivize synergism instead of separatism and exoduses. But such a system has to be highly personalizable and efficient at showing different aspects of the same underlying data, while keeping as much consistency as possible. (And this presents very hard engineering problems, and requires a lot of processing power. Though, I don't think it's unpossible.)

[–]rafikki 5 points6 points ago

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Not to mention that a lot of times something gets submitted in to several subreddits, and of course someone who, for example, doesn't happen to subscribe to /r/funny might be happy to see the link in /r/wtf that they wouldn't have seen otherwise.

[–]Black_Apalachi 2 points3 points ago

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You hit the nail on the head. Anyone who expects people to categorically ensure that what they are posting has never before had eyes laid upon it, quite frankly needs to just gtfo the internet themselves.

Most things aren't worth spending the amount of time it would take to search every single database on the internet -- it's not like reddit's search feature is extremely useful.

At the end of the day, those who actually give a crap are the problem here. How about they take a look at themselves instead of blaming the rest of us just because they're so easily butt hurt.

Oh yeah, and the ones who post "repost" underneath everything are ** INFINITELY** worse than seeing a picture of a cat again -- not to mention how much reddiquette it breaks.

[–]kleinbl00 13 points14 points ago

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You're absolutely right. I think we've all had examples where it just wasn't the time or place and a post languishes. At the same time, those original comments are just as valuable as current comments; maybe more so. I wish there were a way to link them.

[–]pedleyr 10 points11 points ago

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I use a simple system: if I haven't seen it before and like it,I upvote.

If I have seen it before, downvote.

Let the downvotes govern it, as they govern everything else.

[–]Black_Apalachi 3 points4 points ago

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Mine's even simpler; upvote if I like it, downvote if I don't.

[–]unussapiens 2 points3 points ago

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To take it one level further:

Upvote = It makes me happy Downvote = It makes me sad

This only works since I'm the sort of person who gets happy when I see well constructed arguments and doesn't give a shit about whether or not the person disagrees with me.

[–]Black_Apalachi 1 point2 points ago

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Your way is better. :(

[–]Pravusmentis 2 points3 points ago

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There is something I experience when others are taught something that I already knew, it is like anger, almost as if some part of me didn't want them to know. I think some of these draconian urges are the path or least resistance mindset that (arguably) all of nature takes, and that resisting these urges is what allows us to truly be human

[–]davy_crockett 2 points3 points ago

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I don't think there are ever "a thousand screams of 'REPOST!!!.'" Usually, people are just pointing it out. At least in my experience, often a top comment on a repost is a witty remark about how this has been seen before. It's the top comment, so obviously a lot of people feel that way. You can't say that it's ok for a repost to be voted up because many people haven't seen it and at the same time say that a comment saying that it is a repost shouldn't be voted up. Both are opinions of a significant number of redditors. This site is built upon the opinions of redditors.

[–]soulcakeduck 83 points84 points ago*

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"new to you" does not cut it.

You see, when the economy is happy to reward Chinese knock-offs, originals do not make their money back. When piles of karma are heaped upon old jokes, the effort of finding new jokes is diminished. When your marketplace has no taste, the tasteless are rewarded and the tastemakers leave.

I disagree (but upvoted). It seems to me that if people still want those "knock offs" it means there is a demand for the product. It hasn't reached all the customers that want it. So keep shipping it, basically.

There are caveats: people should make minimal efforts to make sure they are not reposting recent content that's been frontpaged 4 times in the past 2 weeks, and people should not be reposting merely to game the karma system.

But this "problem" is self correcting: the people that still "want" that old content because they missed it last year upvote it and the rest of us that have seen it can downvote it if it upsets our sensibilities to see it again, or ignore it otherwise. If less people are interested in it this time around, it will get fewer points. And if it gets more points this time around, that indicates to me that it was appropriate to repost it, because the demand for it was even higher than when it was an original submission.

A lot of the reposting on reddit is really bad. It's done by "power-reposters" who throw tons of recycled content at us and wait for something to stick, or by a multitude of people simultaneously submitting news from 4 days ago without bothering to check first.

I don't, however, agree that reposting is inherently bad. When it is done correctly (which arguably may be rare) I think it satisfies an important purpose by continuing to distribute content that people continue to want.

edit: Part of Miranda's monologue reveals that the fashion industry is nevertheless choosing content "for you," the fashion plebians. The point isn't only to capture the runway, keep jobs rolling and cash flowing--the industry is also trying to find the clothing that we want, whether we know it or not--the lumpy blue sweater we're ignorantly comfortable wearing. In fact, the industry probably pumps out way more lumpy sweaters than cerulean gowns. You seem to be saying here that the sweaters ruin the runway for the cutting edge designers, when the reality is almost the exact opposite: those sweaters are the end game of the cutting edge designers, a tribute to, result of, and (to some extent) a goal of, their work.

[–]proggR 9 points10 points ago

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Wow, I wish I'd read all the way through the thread before replying. You said pretty much the same thing as me. Now I feel like I reposted in an anti repost thread.

[–]poo_22 1 point2 points ago

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Well may whoever had better wording be upvoted to the top!

[–]wankerschnitzel 86 points87 points ago

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From reddiquette

Please don't:

Complain about a story being old. Reddit is about interesting stuff, not new stuff >only. Just hide the story.

Complain when a duplicate story finds more success than the original. Posting a l>ink to the original is okay, since earlier comments may be of interest.

As a new redditor I made sure to read the reddiquette before posting or even up/down voting anything. Maybe we need a mission statement that clarifies what reddit is all about and how to use our votes.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points ago

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So basically, people complaining about reposts are violating reddiquette?

[–]vstg005 26 points27 points ago

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Yes. Like etiquette, reddiquette means rules governing socially acceptable behavior.

[–]thedragon4453 5 points6 points ago

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Yes, but in this particular case, I thought that was more about the spirit of what you want from reddit. For example, if it's been two years since something's been posted, go for it. If it was posted 3 weeks ago and got <100 upvotes, have at it.

But people are literally posting shit from 24 hours ago with a trillion upvotes. I used to reddit for a few hours a day. Now reddit gets probably less than 20 mintes a day from me, except weekends, and I still see this. So it's not for the benefit of the users, it's just for the sake of karmawhoring.

[–]minozake 1 point2 points ago

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I've never seen something get a trillion upvotes. The most I've seen is less than 10 000.

[–]j1ggy 9 points10 points ago*

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And here's the other thing: Not everyone subscribes to every subreddit, and you can't post the same URL to one subreddit twice. Just because you see something as a repost in say, two subreddits doesn't mean everyone else has seen it. Half the problem might be that you're subscribed to too many subreddits.

Another viewpoint: If reposts are making it up the front page, people approve of their content. That means a majority want it there. We have a voting system for a reason, use it.

I've had people whine about posts I've made because they've been posted before, even though they've only had maybe... 10 upvotes the last time. If I see something worthwhile to post that didn't get the attention it deserved the last time it was posted, I'm going to post it again. The Reddiquette even says to do this:

Please do: Search for duplicates before posting. That said, sometimes bad timing, a bad title, or just plain bad luck can cause an interesting story to fail to get noticed. Feel free to post something again if you feel that the earlier posting didn't get the attention it deserved and you think you can do better

I think a lot of you need to realize that Reddit will never be exactly the way you want it. Just follow the suggested guidelines and enjoy yourself.

[–]davy_crockett 3 points4 points ago

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But reddiquette is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. The end, I imagine we all would agree, is a site that's full of fresh and interesting content.

kleinbl00's post circumvents reddiquette but I believe contributes towards making reddit a place with more fresh and interesting content. So I think it's a good thing.

What's more, he/she is doing so much more than just complaining about reposts. He/she is explaining in a very articulate way how reddit can continue to be good at what it's meant to do. It's a constructive critique against reposting, not simply a complaint.

[–]grimtrigger 6 points7 points ago*

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For your consideration, I have uploaded Karmanomics, my econometric research of Reddit.

It includes analysis of: * NSFW tagging * Submission type * Optimal subreddit size

Enjoy

Edit: Updated a link with a scribd upload, but it may take a bit of time for their databases to refresh apparently

[–]flabbergasted1 7 points8 points ago

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Can you upload this as a pdf or image so it can be viewed online without a download? I'm interested in reading it.

[–]grimtrigger 1 point2 points ago

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done

[–]apotheon 8 points9 points ago

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On the other hand, if something reposted gets thousands of upvotes, it might be because only three people have seen it the first time -- and they all downvoted it due to personal biases.

Upvote if you haven't seen it before and like seeing it. Downvote it if it's "stale". Don't be an ass about it in comments either way. If most people have had the chance to see it, it'll get downvoted and drop out of sight; problem solved. If not, it may have been a victim of downvote bots and r/politics trolls, and never had the chance to get stale.

[–]doug3465 507 points508 points ago*

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This has changed my (reddit) life. I will now make sure with 100% certainty that what I am about to post has never been posted before. Thank you.

edit: for the doug3465 haters

[–]catsfive 253 points254 points ago

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I just upvoted you because honest, sincere, non-cunty posts like yours are still fresh here on Reddit.

[–]doug3465 31 points32 points ago

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o/

[–]BannedINDC 84 points85 points ago

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Congratulations on starting the herp derp portion of the thread.

[–]flabbergasted1 191 points192 points ago

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\o

Intercepted!

[–]doug3465 25 points26 points ago

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Damn you!

[–]illusiveab 88 points89 points ago

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That got out of hand quickly.

[–]Sunny_McJoyride 6 points7 points ago

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every time you diminish the market value of freshness, you push us one step further away from Zanzibar and one step closer to WalMart.

[–]BPsPRguy 18 points19 points ago

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♫ I'm not gonna cook it but I'll order it from Zanzibaaaar ♫

[–]NASA_Cowboy 5 points6 points ago

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I agree that "herp derp" has gone stale.

[–]Ferbtastic 2 points3 points ago

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I bent my wookie

[–]kleinbl00 70 points71 points ago

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Delighted to hear it.

Never mind the haters - it is my opinion that you are far better than most at finding interesting content and I think we will all benefit greatly from you stepping up your game.

[–]doug3465 62 points63 points ago*

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Thanks klein. Just want to take a moment to explain myself to said haters.

Yes, I'm a fairly new redditor. So anything over 5 or 6 months back, I have not seen. This is how I find most of my content: I have very few top posts that I thought of myself or a picture that I took myself, but there are some out there. Other than that, I have a few go to blogs and shit like that which I check just about everyday. Most of that stuff is new, but a lot of it is old and has been on reddit before. I usually find this out after the post has gotten a lot of upvotes. I'm not just going to delete a post that the minority has already seen and is mad about. Whenever I post something, I search for them with obvious words that could be the title, but as we all know, reddit's search feature is not the best. It has improved, but still not the best. If the title is obvious, I will see it and not post it if it was popular when it was posted. I often am disappointed when this happens because I know there are so many people who have not seen it and would benefit if I post it anyway, but if it was really popular, I just gotta live with it. If the post was not very popular, I go ahead and post it anyway. Recently, someone called me out for posting this because it was already posted here. That's just not right. It was not very popular before, and clearly a lot of people liked it when I reposted it.

Anyway, pointless rant here. Yes, my goal when I post something is to get karma. But all that really means is, I want to show people something funny/interesting that they like. When they upvote, That's what I'm doing, in turn getting karma. So that's the goal. Yes, admittedly, sometimes I get lazy and do not go all out on a mission of finding out if a post has been posted before, and that's when I get burned and people get mad. But even so, if it is getting upvoted, people haven't seen it! I know people who have seen it get mad at me, and I'm sorry.

This is what I am saying though. I am going to work a lot harder in searching and making sure a post has not been too popular in the past, before I post something. All I want to do is contribute to this great site by submitting good stuff that people like. And once again, I will work harder to make sure nothing I post has been here before.

[–]kleinbl00 138 points139 points ago

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It's not a pointless rant. It's very much on point.

Reddit is important to me. I think about it alot. And reposts and the "karma economy" are probably our biggest conundrum. In my opinion, the issues are related to two factors:

a) Reddit has no memory to speak of. After 24 hours, conversation ceases on any new subject in all but the smallest subreddits.

b) Reddit has no hierarchy. You will never find something by looking for something similar.

The best analogy I've come up with is Reddit as a vast, vast library. Except instead of having a card catalog where you can look things up, there's just a bunch of books on shelves - and yeah, all the "sci fi" is going to be in one place but by and large, there is no way to find something other than just sort of leafing through it.

And we're all in this library, and the way we gain social status is by looking through the books and finding cool stuff. So when one person holds up a book, and says "look how cool!" he may attract nobody or he may attract a giant crowd. And if he attracts a giant crowd, the people who were in the crowd that gathered around that book last week or last month or last year is going to say "that's not so cool, we found that book last week or last month or last year." And things will rapidly devolve into whether we should spend our time looking for new cool things or constantly rediscovering the cool things we found last week.

Me, I'm of the opinion that since new books are always showing up, you shouldn't focus so much on the cool stuff we already found. At the same time, I'm cognizant that when the only way you can remember where the cool stuff is through folklore and oral tradition, there will be a certain amount of redundancy.

Reddit needs a card catalog. The Reddit admins aren't going to impose one; they're too busy bailing out the boiler room. External attempts

None of them have ever caught on, though. Hell, I'll bet 90% of those links are new to every person reading. I believe it will take a concerted effort to turn the random stumbling and personal recommendations that our content is currently organized by into something where stuff just sort of shows up in the right place. That's the first half of the problem.

The second half of the problem is that any image anywhere can be renamed and reposted. This isn't just about karma; the strength of Reddit is its comment system and every time an old image is reposted the comments from the last time might as well have never existed. If Imgur had Tineye built in and a list of referring links so that the new link redirected to the original Reddit post, it wouldn't solve the problem despite the heavy burden placed on Imgur.

I've suggested things before but at a basic level, it really comes down to culture: if we reward reposts, we will be rewarded with reposts. If we discourage reposts, we will be rewarded by fresh content.

The problem is the first one involves "rewarding" while the second one involves "discouraging" and nobody wants to be the douchebag.

[–]Rx_MoreCowbell 54 points55 points ago

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nobody wants to be the douchebag.

We must be experiencing a different Reddit.

And reposts can be seen like your record collection. You're always looking to hear something fresh and new but there are a lot of times you want to hear The White Album and rehash it and even introduce it to people who have never heard it to see their take on it.

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 6 points7 points ago

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Kind of how entertainment works.

[–]Rx_MoreCowbell 24 points25 points ago

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Or even a record collection.

[–]ddrt 5 points6 points ago

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Remember telling that one joke to someone? Then the next time you see them you tell the joke but you forgot it was them that you told it to? Then you feel sort of like a tool who is a one trick pony? Yeah, that's how I see reposting.

[–]azgeogirl 2 points3 points ago

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Fantastic agrument. :)

[–]soiducked 19 points20 points ago

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This is part of the reason why I got upset about not being able to upvote anything more than a month old. Sometimes I discover something cool and new to me, but it's a repost - I would rather upvote the original, but old (and thus hard to find) post, and I can't. Sometimes I'll find something cool and new to me, look to see if it's been submitted, and find that it was, but it was posted a long time ago or was posted to subreddits where it wouldn't get noticed. Then I have the quandary of whether or not to repost something that didn't get much coverage the first time and which I can no longer upvote. Very frustrating.

[–]poo_22 2 points3 points ago

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I think more people need to read your comment. I agree 100%- if we can't credit the original, reposts become necessary.

[–]DJPho3nix 2 points3 points ago

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Klein, I've said said most of what you've said in this thread at one point or another when calling out reposts. Especially the bit about rewarding reposts resulting in more reposts. I agree with your points entirely. So often I get the rebuttal "but not everyone has seen it" that I've just given up trying to fight it. Obviously no one has seen everything they could possibly enjoy on the internet. However, if we focus on making sure everyone sees everything, we'll eventually start moving backwards instead of forward.

I also get the "karma is worthless" rebuttal quite often. It is and it isn't. Many people are happy simply consuming instead of supplying material. I'll admit, I don't supply much myself. I think it's more likely for people who do submit links to be karma hungry than those that simple consume and comment. To them, karma has meaning. It has worth. If we continue to reward reposts, we send the message that we're not only ok with it, but we crave it.

Just out of curiosity, and off topic, have you read The Name of the Wind or The Wise Man's Fear? Your description of reddit makes me think of the Stacks in those books.

[–]kleinbl00 1 point2 points ago

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[–]JessePinkman 1 point2 points ago

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I'm going to remember this comment thread and link back to it when I see reposts. This adult conversation needs to happen more often, even if your repost button idea never gets implemented. If longtime Redditors who care about the community keep making a calm, reasoned case for cooling it with the reposts in the comment threads on reposts themselves, we'll be using Reddit's built-in culture to police Reddit.

[–]doug3465 5 points6 points ago*

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Yes, this is all true. This is without a doubt a huge issue with reddit. And as the community grows, and grows, and grows, it is becoming more and more of a problem because new people haven't seen anything. I don't know how we can solve the problem, but I know that I am going to do my part in the future and start looking more into the search engine before I post something.

On a side note: I fucking love when you put irrelevant funny links in your long comments. Actually scratch that, they are always relevant, but you know what I mean.

edit: Took out the part exposing my ignorance on an old post

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 6 points7 points ago

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Yes, my goal when I post something is to get karma. But all that really means is, I want to show people something funny/interesting that they like.

Period.

[–]doug3465 3 points4 points ago

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Yeah, I think for whatever reason, people look negatively upon people who like to get karma. Sure, there are legitimate karma whores who make shit up just for karma, but even so. If they are getting karma, it means people like what was posted and enjoyed it! I know kleinbl wants to abolish karma, but I don't think that's the right thing to do. Getting karma is a good thing, in my mind. It means you are brightening someones day, or showing them something they liked.

Yes, I'm a karma whore! I like getting karma! Anyone who has over 10,000 karma is one. But that doesn't mean they're fake or not genuine. I like getting karma because I love the thought of people all over the world enjoying something I posted. And that's what it means to get karma.

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 2 points3 points ago

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My point is, if Reddit has a free flowing karma system what's wrong in leeching it? It's not like we are sucking out blood from hungry beings. It's just there, go grab it.

I do not support karma abolishment. What I can suggest is there should be a system where karma is only visible ON the thread or comment. There should be an option of hiding or making the karma visible on the user page. THAT is one way to calm everyone down. BUT then again, it's this karma system which keeps commenters and submitters up and running. I honestly say karma inspires people to make quality comments or submissions.

That is one way of looking at it. I am not a big or well known Redditor to make it sound big but that's what my view is. I have been here for 3 months and a few days and I love karma.

[–]TheSuperSax 5 points6 points ago

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I am not a big or well known Redditor...

You're getting a lot of exposure. You might not be that "big" yet, but you're definitely out there and getting noticed. You're like an aspiring PHOY.

[–]doug3465 8 points9 points ago

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Honestly, I get some kind of rush when I have something on the front page and I refresh my user page and see my karma go up. It's just a good feeling I get. I see it go up 5 and I can't help but think, holy shit. Somewhere in the world in the past 5 minutes, 5 people clicked my link, saw the content, and enjoyed it.

I know. It has become a huge problem. I need help.

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 1 point2 points ago

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It's the karma system which is keeping Redditors glued to the screen and inspiring them to come up with better stuff. I don't want to get into a debate on reposts. But honestly, if a repost is getting front paged, it's the majority who is upvoting it there. Yes, it can be a repost to some, they can always ignore that post and move along. Hell, they can hide the links if they want to. And let the majority enjoy it.

Commenting is fun when people enjoy them. Yes, sometimes stupid comments are sitting at the top with a fuck load of karma but that's because the majority enjoyed it. Why did a majority judged a stupid comment to the top? No idea, I am not a psychologist.

But then again, you can always look at the haters and say "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

[–]Rx_MoreCowbell 1 point2 points ago

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Certain subs would certainly be served better if karma was abolished or the system was changed somehow.

[–]Omnicrola 2 points3 points ago

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but as we all know, reddit's search feature is not the best. It has improved, but still not the best.

I think that a lot of it has to do with people using non-descriptive titles. If the titles where more relevant to what the link is about, it would be easier to find things.

[–]azgeogirl 1 point2 points ago

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I agree with you, Doug. There are some great things I wouldn't have seen otherwise if someone hadn't reposted.

Not sure if this has been suggested but how about a /r/reposts? It would be a good resource for the new kids, especially when you don't know what to search for. When I first joined reddit I would never have known what to search for to find the old gems that have been posted.

[–]avey_bear 1 point2 points ago

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I just removed your tag from reposter to former reposter and changed the color from black to aqua. Honestly I thought you were a mindless machine just posting things for karma.

[–]burnblue 1 point2 points ago

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The title you used for that thing you reposted is the reason we can't find anything in search. You love this? OK.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

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Luckily, I can now cite this post. Screencapped it too, you sneaky bastard.

[–]Moeri 4 points5 points ago

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If you think about submitting a link, paste it in the search box and press enter. If it's been submitted before, you'll see an overview of its submission. If not, you'll be sent to the submission page.

While not useful for image links who are often rehosted, it can be interesting for youtube links and websites in general.

[–]doug3465 3 points4 points ago

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Yes, I do this. And yes, the image links are the problem.

[–]generic-name 4 points5 points ago

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I agree with doug3465. Also, we're always trying not to have the punchline in the title, so searching for repost is very difficult.

[–]BannedINDC 3 points4 points ago

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What about the stuff that's already headed for the front page, that obviously came from reddit, like within the hour? Like this post which garnered a lot of upvotes within minutes, and then was reposted by you in another subreddit with the exact same title. Just minutes later. That was a personal picture, and by reposting it in another subreddit, you gave the impression that you were the author.

[–]mogaly 4 points5 points ago

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You lied.

[–]davepople 1 point2 points ago

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And how are you going to do that when it is an Imgur link?

A noble cause but one doomed to fail.

[–]apotheon 1 point2 points ago

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I will now make sure with 100% certainty that what I am about to post has never been posted before.

Good fucking luck. Let me know when you find the Oracle of Reddit, who Knows All. Are you being facetious?

[–]Pornfest 15 points16 points ago

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I offer a dissenting point: is not the implementation of "down-voting" the solution to the problem of re-posts? We democratically dictate the value of said link by voting it up or down. Most who see the re-post as a re-post will downvote it, or at least not upvote it, thus preventing its propagation to the front page (the fundamental function of karma for the website.) Those who have never seen it before give personal thanks to the poster for enlightening them through positive karma. The more times you post a link the less karma you will get for it, until you begin losing karma for it. Through democracy by knowledge the link rises or falls in the system based on it's own merit - and requires no censorship past what the collective of reddit.com provides.

Could be wrong, but from what I understand of free-market economics, this works.

[–]CubicKinase 6 points7 points ago

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Nice post, though I had a thought of a potential flaw.

If an original post has a value based on your export/import scenario, the fact that posts are archived after a certain period suggests that each post has a set limited value.

If follows then that re-posts actually increase the overall value as they can garner more upvotes and be seen by more people over several posts. Though this could be seen as karmic inflation.

Just a thought, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it though.

[–]surpriseawesomeness 3 points4 points ago

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Can we then change Karma into a more real currency?

Why are we allowed to have unlimited Karma when it comes to distributing it? The system should be altered so that the Karma you give comes from the Karma you receive. Everyone starts with zero from the get go. You earn it with original, clever posts and comments. Maybe then we will begin to upvote the things we truly value, as opposed to the things we find amusing in passing.

I applaud you both on the well thought out and meaningful comment and on getting me to watch an excerpt from The Devil Wears Prada (A movie I've never seen) and say "Well, that looks like a fine movie."

[–]flabbergasted1 1 point2 points ago

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Er, no, because then nobody would spend their currency.

[–]proggR 4 points5 points ago

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Though I like your analogy of an importer and an exporter, the Oscar de la Renta misses the mark in my opinion and I think the two contradict each other in this case.

Where I think you're missing the mark is that in the importing/exporting business, you don't just ship something once and then never again. Ships continue to carry cargo of a specific product until there is no more demand for it. That cargo could be anything, including the garbs of Oscar de le Renta as you mentioned.

Maybe Oscar de le Renta prefers one shipping company over another but I very much doubt that is because the company is exclusive to the high end fashion market. Its more likely because they ship on time and with good results. Reddit's 'market' is information and as long as its providing that it is doing its job.

If you don't think a post should be submitted then downvote it. This is a community and although some people may live entirely within the boundaries of the hivemind, most people will have a different view of what they want Reddit to be. You want it to be something completely fresh. I like that things get reposted from time to time because it brings back fond memories or, hell, may even be something I hadn't seen before. Is it perfect? No. Reposts within hours or even days of the original can be a bit much but nothing scrolling a tiny bit down doesn't fix. Maybe that post was new to someone though. Maybe that post was their first chance at that content. To deny someone the ability to repost is to deny users the chance to view the content that brought us all here in the first place.

And to finish off, old things come back in style. Whether it be an old meme or an old fashion, it will always come back. There will be people who will appreciate it and I will always be one of them.

PS - I know my account is relatively new and inactive. I am generally a lurker because usually I don't have too much to say on a subject.

[–]tias 13 points14 points ago*

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So your proposal is that before upvoting anything, every redditor should spend 10 minutes sifting through Reddit to find similar posts, locating the oldest submission, upvoting that, then downvoting all of the reposts.

Do I understand correctly? And if so, do you think this would ever be remotely practical (or that Reddit's search engine could handle the load)?

To me, the only reasonable choice has to be

  • Saw it before? Downvote.
  • Didn't see it before (and interesting/fun)? Upvote.

If this prevents Reddit from being an interesting place to go to, then it needs to be engineered differently.

[–]The_REAL_MrBabyMan 3 points4 points ago

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And that is the major flaw in kleinbl00's otherwise well-thought argument.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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That's a really good point. If a Redditor has to do a thorough search before posting, they spend time. Meanwhile, a few people could downvote while skimming the new category and take away uninteresting reposts (the only kind of reposts which should go away, imho.)

The cost seems higher for thorough searches.

[–]Backdoor_Jackson 3 points4 points ago

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You should give commencement speeches at mid-tier colleges.

[–]Pravusmentis 18 points19 points ago

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I wish to disagree, many of the greatest things that I have learned on here are related to science, and it makes a wonderful way to learn things that may have been missed for any reason before. Perhaps we see the world in different colors, but knowledge doesn't go stale the way the jokes you may be referring to do

[–]kleinbl00 14 points15 points ago

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...yeah, but we're in /r/pics, not /r/science. Knowledge is one thing. gifs are another.

[–]Pravusmentis 9 points10 points ago

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irrelevant the location is, the gain should be allowed to all; and certainly not be kept from other for something as arbitrary as timing.

Pictures that have been on the front page a day ago should be discouraged, but things from years ago may have only been seen by you and I, and deserve to be enjoyed by others. Simply, reposts may be annoying but they are necessary.

[–]kleinbl00 6 points7 points ago

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This is an opinion, not a theory, and one straight out of the mouth of Yoda.

[–]etherteeth 7 points8 points ago

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I disagree. The notion that upvoting reposts cheapens fresh content assumes that every user sees every link ever posted, which is clearly not the case. To make a truly accurate analysis on the nature of reposts and their effect on the Reddit community, we have to consider the community at the individual level as well as at the hivemind level.

Let me preface this with a few things. First of all, when I refer to a post, assume I'm talking about a "good" post--one that your average Redditer would upvote, and that would make it to the front page on its first posting. Second of all, let's assume that reposts are not egregious attempts at karma-whoring, but rather inadvertent reposts by people who didn't know that their link had already been posted--the people who are perhaps a bit behind the curve.

I'll start with the individual. When an individual clicks on such a post there are 3 possible outcomes. On one hand, they haven't seen the post before, therefore the utility gained from viewing the post is positive (let's call this "1 unit of utility"), and thus the individual would ideally upvote the post. On the other hand, they have already seen the post before, therefore zero utility is gained from viewing the post, and since they neither gain nor lose anything from said post, they would neither upvote nor downvote.

Now lets look at the macro scale--the community as a whole. Unlike the individual, who gains all possible utility from the first viewing of a post, and upon further viewings, the marginal utility decreases to 0, the community as a whole experiences a slightly less drastic case of diminishing marginal utility. Let's say, for the sake of the simplicity, that there are 1,000 people in the Reddit community, and that the average post is viewed by 750 of them on its first time through. Since each individual gains 1 unit of utility upon viewing this post, the total utility of the community as a whole is 750. Now, let's say that one of the 250 people who missed that post sees it elsewhere on the internet and decides to post it. Naturally, since 3/4 of the community has already seen it and thus gains nothing upon the second viewing, the post will likely not make it to the front page, and will be viewed by less people--a fraction of whom haven't seen it before, and will thus upvote it. A fraction of 1/4 of the community's worth of upvotes certainly wont get anything to the front page. This will continue to repeat until either everyone has seen it and the only reposts are flagrant karma whoring attempts that get downvoted to oblivion, or (more likely) more people join the community and this repeats ad infinitum, with reposts gaining minimal amounts of karma. This phenomenon allows the maximum amount of people to be exposed to the maximum amount of culture without reposts cheapening fresh content.

TL;DR: The way Reddit functions has built in checks on reposts to incentivising fresh content while still propagating culture as widely as possible, even without downvoting reposts.

[–]kleinbl00 3 points4 points ago

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I appreciate your polite dissent and I appreciate your well-reasoned response, but I see fallacies in your thinking.

Whenever someone attempts to reason by assigning numbers and values to a numberless and valueless problem, my asshole starts to twitch. I'm talking about culture and newness, and you're talking about "3 possible outcomes" and "marginal utility." Further, you're presuming that one redditor's experience won't influence another redditors, when the whole of my argument is that we all influence each other through a linked ecosystem of influence. So while I acknowledge that it's dismissive of me, I'm not going to tackle your math - in my opinion it's arbitrary and unsubstantiated and a red herring.

I used to be an acoustician. Acoustics is nothing more than applied physics - really, acoustics is nothing more than a very specialized corner of fluid mechanics. As part of my mechanical engineering degree, I learned a lot of fluid mechanics, and derived many of the fundamental equations of fluid mechanics as part of my training. You would think that this would prepare me quite well to perform acoustics, because the two are related and it's all mathy and stuff. Unfortunately the opposite is true; fluid mechanics does not theoretically work unless you assume air (or water) to be a massless particle. If you assume air (or water) to be nothing but massless particles, energy cannot be transmitted through it as a medium. And as "energy through a medium" is acoustics in a nutshell, the lovely theoretical world of fluid mechanics dissolves into the heinous empirical quagmire of acoustics because the fundamental assumption of the theory crashes and burns in the practice.

So when I dismiss your math, it's not because I don't think you're making a point. It's that you're treating Redditors as massless particles, which prohibits the existence of a hivemind. Theoretically, you're good. Empirically, you're bust.

Let's look at your core argument, minus the math:

The notion that upvoting reposts cheapens fresh content assumes that every user sees every link ever posted, which is clearly not the case.

It doesn't, actually. It presumes that reposts, which are easier to find, will be more commonly posted for karma than original content, all else being equal.

So why don't you start by defending this statement without "3 possible outcomes" and "marginal utility costs." I didn't make this statement. I'm not going to defend it. If you want to boil what I said down into "every person must see every repost" you need to start by defending that.

[–]Scary_The_Clown 11 points12 points ago

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Oh for the love of god get over yourself. So now when I click on a link and find it interesting I'm supposed to research it to see if it's been posted on reddit before?

When there's a "repost" on reddit, a lot of the time it's to a different subreddit. Sometimes the first post only got a handful of votes. Or maybe it was posted a year ago and the person posting found reddit eleven months ago. Or perhaps the same content was posted to a different website, and the second (or fourth) poster didn't know about the first time around.

Do you know what keeps reddit fresh? PEOPLE SUBMITTING STUFF. Do you know how you make it stagnate? MAKE PEOPLE AFRAID TO SUBMIT STUFF.

If you click on a link, and it's a repost, click the freaking down arrow and move on.

Because I live on reddit, and the biggest repost noise I'm fucking sick of is people complaining about reposts.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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I'm amazed that people care so much about this shit.

[–]libertas 3 points4 points ago

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Your argument seems to hinge upon a preference for freshness. I agree that freshness is important, but I think that quality is more important. Getting the highest quality material seen by the most eyes should be the goal. If you limit yourself to only fresh material, you will have an index of higher freshness but lower quality. (There is a vast storehouse of existing quality material to draw from, whereas new ideas are not necessarily the best ideas.) I would rather see an article twice every once in a while and have a higher average quality index on the front page.

For devotees of reddit who keep up with the trends and read everything, freshness becomes a more important consideration. But I don't think that describes the majority of reddit's userbase.

In general, it seems to me that reposting is a self-regulating mechanism. If something hasn't been seen by enough people (and is quality), then it will be upvoted. But once it has been seen by enough eyes, once it has penetrated the hivemind, if you will, it gets downvoted (or ignored) the next time it is submitted.

Some submissions are more timeless than others. Memes and references to current events should (and do) get stale, and at that point they are downvoted or ignored. But a great article on a universal or timeless subject should not be. And in fact, I don't think it usually is. Post a great article on reddit a year later, and it will likely get upvoted again.

So, in my opinion reposts have an important function (to keep a higher average quality content on the front page), and the downside of that function (repetition) is self-moderated (if the content is so stale that most people have seen it, it gets downvoted or ignored). I would argue that the equilibrium achieved is probably pretty optimal as is for balancing quality and freshness, unless you are one of the few reddit super-users.

[–]O_Orutger 22 points23 points ago

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Fun post = upvote

Old post when hungover = downvote

Old post when high = upvote

Old post = Let it be, im sure other people will enjoy it.

stop being an elitist if you want to increase the value of reddit

[–]Japeth 10 points11 points ago

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I'm glad you have your own system, and that that system works for you. But that doesn't mean that it's perfect, or that it works for everyone, or that it even gets at what everyone wants. kleinbl00 isn't being elitist, he's just one on side of this argument and he's explaining his reasons for being there. Regardless of whether or not he's right, he very thoroughly explains his position, and by dismissing his ideas as elitist, you are doing a disservice to the entire debate.

[–]kleinbl00 18 points19 points ago

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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between Adam Smith and Joseph Stiglitz.

[–]stevesonaplane 9 points10 points ago

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Are you saying Adam Smith was high and Joseph Stiglitz was hungover? Maybe I have it ass backwards.

[–]alang 1 point2 points ago

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Adam Smith as he is perceived by his rabid zealot followers, I assume you mean?

[–]andrewsmith1986 9 points10 points ago

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Again, this is why you should have been commenter of the year for the last two years.

That being said, I just passed up karmanaut for most comment karma.

Suck it, peons.

[–]kleinbl00 13 points14 points ago

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Not if you add up his other two accounts, you didn't.

I really don't want it. I appreciate the sentiment but Reddit's cognitive dissonance between fame and familiarity does not favor accolades.

[–]andrewsmith1986 4 points5 points ago

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Don't you rain on my parade here.

I just wish that the awards "Meant something" instead of it just being a popularity contest.

I know that internet fame means jackshit though.

[–]axl456 1 point2 points ago

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I would love to see a comic portraying reddit as a country importing links from /b/ and exporting them to FB..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Fucking buzz kill man...

[–]brandonisgreen 1 point2 points ago

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This has changed my (reddit) life. I will now make sure with 100% certainty that what I am about to post has never been posted before. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Some reposts are like classical music or a medieval painting, they've been around but are only just being appreciated.

[–]ilykdp 1 point2 points ago

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You're not taking these boys to see The Devil Wears Prada

ohhhhh I love that movie.

[–]bluesix 1 point2 points ago

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I often wonder if anyone would care/notice if Reddit stopped using karma. I wouldn't. It's completely useless IMNSHO.

[–]EnderBaggins 1 point2 points ago

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Mr. Klein, I could talk about economics and high fashion all day, but I'm afraid work must intrude.

[–]belletti 1 point2 points ago

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Sounds plausible. It's a pity that a large part of redditors will never read this comment.

[–]stealthfiction 1 point2 points ago

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Here's an idea, Reddit should reward a % of Karma to reposts.

For example:

The first time something is posted it's a full 1 to 1 Karma. If there is a repost from the exact same source, 75% of given karma is applied. For each additional time there is a repost from the same source, the percentage of applied Karma drops.

As an automated system, this would wouldn't work out so well for someone who just copy the content from the original location and then repasted to his/her own blog and then submitted that, but maybe someone smarter than I can chime in on other posible ways to handle that problem?

[–]kleinbl00 1 point2 points ago

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[–]Godspiral 1 point2 points ago

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simply awesome rant (to 11), even before the cerulean point :)

[–]marriage_iguana 1 point2 points ago

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Screw a conversation, you just said everything and I must say you got it right. I'd never thought of it that way.
Congrats, you just changed reddit a little bit and I believe it is for the betterment of all redditkind.

[–]Thermodynamicist 1 point2 points ago

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Everything we link to is a repost by definition.

So really this is an argument about how many reposts are acceptable before something ceases to be cool.

Culture exists on a continuum between the hipsters, the mainstream, and the laggers.

People who are outside of the mainstream group are often uncomfortable because the culture to which they are exposed is not their culture.

For example, I'm a 27 year old blues guitarist, and I find most modern club music utterly stultifying, because I'm probably 50 years or more behind the times in my musical taste. So I spend a lot of my life having to choose between people my own age and music which I don't find actively annoying. C'est la vie.

As you have pointed out, Reddit is in the import/export business, somewhere downstream from much of the content generation, but upstream of the mainstream. If you want a more hipster experience, you're more likely to be successful simply migrating upstream than you are trying to change reddit.

The fact is that reposts are an inevitable feature of any reddit-like aggregation of internet links.

  • It is impossible to read the entire internet because new content is generated faster than any one person can view it.
  • People turn to reddit in order to find the "interesting" stuff without the need to filter the "boring" stuff.
  • Ergo, the average redditor is arguably less likely to be au fait with the wider internet than the average non-redditor, much as the average pocket calculator user is less likely to be au fait with mental arithmetic than the average non-user thereof.
  • This place is therefore far closer to casual corner than you perhaps want to admit.

TL;DR You cannot escape the fact that the very act of popularising content renders it less exclusive, and thus less hip. If you want to be a real hipster, link aggregation sites aren't the place for you.

[–]DJBJ 3 points4 points ago

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"new to you" does not cut it.

Well that is just like, your opinion, man.

[–]SecularMontaigne 1 point2 points ago

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Nice text, but I disagree with you.

The way I see it: post all you want, if I like it I will upvote. That simple.

[–]faber451 3 points4 points ago*

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Your upvotes are certainly deserved here, at the very least for the several economic metaphors you conceived of and presented. Most of them are somewhat irrelevant to the issue at hand, but interesting nonetheless. What I take issue with, however, is that the examples you present as models for how reposts devalue new content seem to function in fundamentally different ways. They are analogies, true, and there are bound to be differences, but I think in this case they debunk the comparison.

The "Chinese knock-off" comparison, for instance, is a poor model for a couple of reasons. I will ignore, for a moment, the perils of applying economic reasoning to our karma-based system.

  • There is, in the majority of cases, no competition between the reposts and the original post. The original may or may not be readily accessible to a newer redditor. A more apt analog would need to take into account that reposts are quite simply aimed at a different market.

  • I don't have actual data but am willing to bet that the majority of reposts come from people who are simply unaware of the previous post. These reposters likely could in most cases have determined that their content wasn't new, but their action is not necessarily easier than that of the first poster. In these cases the only difference between the original post and its reposts is the response from the community.

  • If we consider the case of chronic, deliberate reposters, we see they are noted quickly by redditors. They are often downvoted and thus stopped from abusing the system. This self-regulation hints that karma really isn't the quantity redditors care about, despite it being our "fiat currency" as you call it.

Your closing example is more interesting. The comparison between Reddit and the scenario described in The Devil Wears Prada is, among other things, particularly tempting to redditors because it touts Reddit as the hip, trend-setting generator of content. Using this ingrained sense of superiority is dangerous, since here it clouds the failures of your metaphor.

Most of us are on Reddit because we like to be closer to Oscar de la Renta.

I accept this statement without argument. It is

Reposts drag us closer and closer to Casual Corner.

that I disagree with. The problem lies in placing Reddit at the pinnacle of new content and ideas. Reddit does not (for the most part) generate content. In reality, we are at best a more upscale Casual Corner, caring primarily about not falling to the level of, say, Digg. The distinction, however, can only lie in how many hands the content has passed through before it gets to us. In some cases the answer may be none: the person who took the picture uploads it directly to Reddit. But Reddit is still the distributor. We have that a repost is some content that has been previously posted to Reddit. This definition relies on a certain assumption, namely that we are a collective with common interests. This is flawed. We have that posting the same content to a different subreddit may not be a repost - the subreddits represent different ideas, topics, and, crucially, people. All this does is look at different subsets of Reddit. But there are more divisions than those officially recognized. Redditors that joined within the last month are one such set. Your Oscar de la Renta metaphor, however, arbitrarily excludes them. The appeal you make, then, is not about improving the quality of Reddit. It isn't that

"new to you" does not cut it.

Not at all. It's that you want "old to me" not to cut it. This argument is simply an appeal to the desire most redditors have to be ahead of the curve, which inherently requires cutting off other redditors. You would aim, it seems, to create the "cool Arts District," specifically to deny the insurance reps access. I can't aspire to this goal.

You make a big deal of karma being a "fiat currency," but this doesn't apply to the bulk of your argument. The problem is that originality is not, and cannot be, the currency we use. Reposts, then, do not compete with or detract from the originality of new posts. They may compete in karma, but, again, what is really valued on Reddit (as evidenced by your post, at least) is originality. Your call for change is better interpreted as a reminder of this unstated fact. Stopping reposts will do just that, stop reposts. It will not increase the number or change the quality of original submissions.

[–]offconstantly 2 points3 points ago

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I feel as though I've read this before...

[–]Laugarhraun 1 point2 points ago*

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tl;dr: It has awesome analogies, read it!

[–]flabbergasted1 18 points19 points ago

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tl;dr – attributing value to reposts inherently detracts value from original content, which (by basic economic principles) will naturally lead to a decrease in the supply thereof

[–]learnyouahaskell 4 points5 points ago*

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And it is a flawed or loaded argument, because only a small portion of the user base sees a popular submission at a given time. The voting system exists precisely to allow what users want to rise. If the interested users outnumber the ones who have seen the item before, why would you favor the latter?

Edit: I should add that this is not the whole picture, as "AlanG" points out below.

[–]Laugarhraun 2 points3 points ago*

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Awww, yours is better!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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This should become part of a reddit constitution.

I certainly pledge allegiance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I would just like to point out that I usually find much more value in the comments of Reddit than the actual post content. Comments are always different regardless of it it is a repost or not and therefore always have the same chance at being close to Oscar de la Renta. But as a general rule reposts are pretty damn annoying.

[–]Captain_Pork 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you. These are the kinds of posts I browse Reddit for.

[–]pseudolobster 21 points22 points ago

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Reddit is constantly chasing its own tail. It's getting worse these days though, as we've been mentioned in a lot of major media outlets recently. For instance, the pizza-and-cookies-in-a-single-box thread got reposted by all sorts of super high profile blogs, some print media, some television shows, etc, then two days later all these people who never saw the reddit thread see an interesting article on the Huffington Post site, say "Oh, reddit would like that!" and post it here, not knowing this is where it originated.

[–]TwopackShaker 16 points17 points ago

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Remember how DIGG used to post the same stuff as Reddit but a day later... well what if all the DIGG users that migrated here are still somehow on that delayed clock... who keep posting shit a day after it's been posted on reddit... BACK on reddit. So essentially we have two groups of redditors on two different schedules... one chasing the other? o.O

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Like an international date line for internet memes?

[–]FailedKingdom 19 points20 points ago

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Reddit tastes like buuuuuuurning!

[–]Divinations 7 points8 points ago

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That's where I saw the Leprechaun. He tells me to burn things!

[–]hopscotchking 3 points4 points ago

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I'm not allowed in the deep end!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Ok, food patrol blew it.

[–]FuckYopPussyBitch 10 points11 points ago

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Absolutely everything is a repost on the internet.

[–]links3100 3 points4 points ago

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This conversation is too adult for me. Goodbye reddit.

[–]raginghamster 7 points8 points ago

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I may have Alzheimers, but at least I don't have Alzheimers!

[–]rabidbot 75 points76 points ago

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Then endless bitching about reposts is far more annoying than reposts

[–]braveliltoaster1 26 points27 points ago

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Yeah I was going to say this gif would perfectly describe reddit reposts if there was at least 4 or 5 people next to Ralph screaming: "YOU JUST PICKED UP THAT EGG! ITS THE SAME EGG STOP PICKING IT UP ITS NOT NEW!"

[–]Pravusmentis 4 points5 points ago

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the reposts are mostly annoying when they show up a day later, or while the original popular story is still on the front page. I like people to know things and I don't downvote when people tell others about why they added gin to tonic and why current tonic water won't be useful in the same situation

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Not sure if you know this but, being a Redditor doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be on this site every day. Or is that like part of the terms of service? I'm not always online, so when I find something that I never saw before doesn't upset me, it pleases me because that's why I use a site like this. To obtain information from around the internet that I couldn't possible keep track of all on my own.

Now, if it's a post where someone blatantly rips someones work off, and claims it as their own and acts like what they found is their own creation, then I get pissed. But for everyone to bitch and complain about reposts is pointless because it's a given for a website with this many members to probably not be able to keep up with every story submitted every minute.

[–]wamsachel 4 points5 points ago

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I agree. There is a very big difference from a repost and karma whoring. Reposts are fine, or at least should be fine. I see a lot of new-2-me things on reddit only to browse the comments and read: "this is as old as the internet"

For the most part I think the system does a good enough job to segregate karma whoring from good ol' day reposts.

[–]Freemont 2 points3 points ago

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Ooh! A Piece of Candy!

[–]hopscotchking 1 point2 points ago

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Oooh a piece of candy.

[–]Rik3k 2 points3 points ago

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Upvoted for the pleonastic structure of your title.

[–]Aleitheo 2 points3 points ago

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Except for the fact that most reposts have more people seeing something for the first time than those who see it again.

In fact I bet there are a bunch of submissions you like that you didn't even know are reposts.

[–]compstomper 2 points3 points ago

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it seems that we can either

1) stop people from reposting somehow

2) let people repost and karmawhore in peace

3) establish a bible/manual of everything you should know before going on reddit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Not that getting ideas from Digg is usually a good idea, but:

Digg used to have a pretty nifty feature. When you submitted something, it showed you every post that has linked to the same article or has a similar title, and you were asked if you're ABSOLUTELY SURE that what you're posting is new. Reddit clearly has the backend for that, with the "other discussions" tab at the top. It just requires one more step in the submission process (which wouldn't be a bad idea anyway).

[–]attosama 2 points3 points ago

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I never understood why people get mad about things the've already seen, there is a down vote feature after all.

Aside, new people join every day. Don't be an old fart.

Love the gif regardless.

[–]Ticking_bomb 13 points14 points ago

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[94]

[–]TimeBombDefuser 6 points7 points ago

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*refuses to give in to outrageous prices set by bomb defusing robot companies and changes major to robotics.

[–]Faster_Ticking_bomb 7 points8 points ago

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{88,87}

[–]missing_alt_text 1 point2 points ago

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The egg breaks at frame 647822

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points ago

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If it is new to me it is new to me, repost or not.

[–]ani625 232 points233 points ago

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BUT NOT FOR US WHO SPEND 18 HOURS/DAY ON REDDIT.

[–]greengoddess 44 points45 points ago

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I don't mind..

[–]doug3465 17 points18 points ago

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thank god, some people are sane

[–]MikeTheStone 12 points13 points ago

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You mean the ones that browse for 18 hours right right right?

[–]doug3465 9 points10 points ago

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Yes, of course. Was that unclear?

[–]Pravusmentis 8 points9 points ago

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Perhaps, but now I have your verification of my sanity

[–]doug3465 6 points7 points ago

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I don't know, you repeat yourself a lot

[–]Pravusmentis 4 points5 points ago

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Perhaps, but now I have your verification of my sanity

[–]doug3465 5 points6 points ago

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I don't know, you repeat yourself a lot

[–]ThatsItGuysShowsOver 1 point2 points ago

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Sanity check on Reddit? That's. Classy. As. Fuck.

[–]_The_Highlander_ 9 points10 points ago*

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Trust me...THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

[–]y0haN 6 points7 points ago

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you're sayin' it wrong ಠ_ಠ

[–]ptsaq 2 points3 points ago

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nerd

[–]lf94 5 points6 points ago

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THIS IS A REPOST.

[–]surfnaked 2 points3 points ago

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If you skip all the reposts without posting comments about them being reposts which are essentially also reposts on reposts. You would spend about two.

[–]radwimp 22 points23 points ago

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redditor for 1 month.

just wait

[–]semicolonihasone 3 points4 points ago

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"IT'S REAL TO ME DAMN IT!"

[–]baddox 2 points3 points ago

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If it is new to you, then you shouldn't complain about it being a repost, and you shouldn't downvote it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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The video is way better, imho.
It made me cry, laugh and I think I lost my mind a little in the middle, but I lost track of time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Worth watching through to the end.

[–]Paul_McKenzie 1 point2 points ago

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The doctor says I wouldn't have so many nose bleeds, if I kept my finger out of there.

[–]Synnyster 1 point2 points ago

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Did anyone else hear Ralph's voice saying "Hey!"?

[–]itsicenine 1 point2 points ago

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Gonna bet this is a repost too.

[–]Dnlx5 1 point2 points ago

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reminds me of this egg drop

[–]Lurking_Grue 1 point2 points ago

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[–]scarterfinch 1 point2 points ago

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i am going to repost this exactly 3 months from now.

[–]cactus 1 point2 points ago

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I often wonder if the "repost" town cryers are aware of the irony. Here's something we've seen before! Let me call this out as a repost, because nobody ever does that!

[–]amadeus2490 1 point2 points ago

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I guess this would be valid if the same person kept reposting the same content over and over again.

[–]feefiefofum 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks, Ralph. I've known you for over twenty years. I watched you eat paste while I was waiting for my mom to come out of cancer surgery. I remember when you tried tomacco and when you smiled at bullies and you taught me that ignorance is bliss. I choo choo choose you, man. Thanks for the memories.

[–]nklotz 1 point2 points ago

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Check this out!

[–]Efflux 1 point2 points ago

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That gif has sound. I can hear him say "Yay!"

[–]holdingmytongue 1 point2 points ago

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Lurker for months, just opened account recently. I'm not going to pretend I know everything about this site. But what I have noticed, is that 1) the search option blows, 2) karma doesn't seem to mean shit, and 3) every 'repost' I've seen and enjoyed (and heard others bitch about BEING a repost) always seems to make it's way back to the front page! Must be really frustrating for all the seasoned redditors to just NOT click the link.

[–]niggersarebad 1 point2 points ago

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I Honestly downrated as many people as I could before I got bored speed reading through the top set of posts....cause they seem very very very very concerned with this uprating and downrating system. Whats funny is that dude makes a post about how fucking pointless your uprating and downrating system is and a bunch of you respond with wow ,,,....that dude needs an uprating.....come the fuck on Also since you guys acutally have a long term window between when one can post Im gonna just start adding more to this....It is a well known fact that reddit hates jews caused the holocaust and did 9 /11. It is also a well known fact among channers {considering themselves anon or not } Poe users {till it died } something awful goons , wikipedians, and even furries that this place is the biggest shithole on the internet. You guys take the implicit liberalness of the internet and run with it. You guys take whatever the fuck trend is going on and reflect it. If anyone here is the jew of the internet it is this site. Like going through a few threads {only replying on this one { I'm amazed by how poor the content is.......sure alot of my favorite sites are a bunch of bad fucking jokes but at least its not alll hey.....I think this karma system is grand ...reminds me of the jews and niggers on wikipedia.... and yes I said that you liberal nazis deal with it....I fucking can't stand this fucking place and I want you all to fucking know that. And the best thing is that this will all be likely deleted by a mod or much butthurt will be had over it. You guys seem to be numerous than any of the chan users these days {this place is a little more family friendly} and your just another cancer killing the internet. The amount of moralightly bullshit and lameness here has made me literally shit eat my own shit puke my shit and shit everywhere I m fucking sick of you ruining my internets//...Now some random proof that reddit is a fucking jew hating stupid jew machine Redditor 1: The Jews control the media and Hitler was right to try and exterminate the bastards. Redditor 2: Eh... you're being an anti-semite! Redditor 3: Hating Israel does not make you an anti-semite. Redditor 2: What? I never said it did?! He was talking about the Jews controlling the media and Hitler being right! Redditor 4: Nice try, Mossad. Redditor 2: The fuck? Redditor 3: Hit the road Zionist shill.Proof that Reddit hates those filthy Jews

Reddit mass upvoting antisemitism, completely oblivious to the irony.

Niggers and yes I did repost that and no I won't tell you from where.Seeing as you guys repost from everywhere I found it only fair. In recent news jews said he hates redit and there is no saving it and I hope your stupid nigger jew site goes away.

Implying that reddit is anything but bullshit Impying you guys are'nt a bunch of fucking worthless fags. Implying anyone here knows jesuses sweet love.

[–]hardMarble 1 point2 points ago

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I'm going to repost this tomorrow....

[–]RedundantUserError 1 point2 points ago

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Let's BEE friends! (and there's a picture of a bee on it!)

[–]andrewsmith1986 7 points8 points ago

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Me make repost, that's unpossible.

[–]cualcrees 3 points4 points ago

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I can't wait to repost this!

[–]sinfield 1 point2 points ago

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Every time a repost has ever occurred on reddit, some have gotten a child-like sense of pleasure and satisfaction?