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[–]Warlizard 178 points179 points ago

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I don't see the problem.

Insatiable whores get Prince Charming.

[–]eib 47 points48 points ago

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Do they spawn charming whores?

[–]locksmyth 65 points66 points ago

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No, usually just insatiable princes.

[–]Dakillakan 4 points5 points ago

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[–]litewo 1 point2 points ago

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A Prince video on YouTube? And it's lasted more than a week!

[–]MOLESTOTHESUPERAPIST 0 points1 point ago

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Awesome I used to date a stripper who danced by the name Darling Nikki.

[–]Warlizard 5 points6 points ago

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Hopefully.

[–]KennyLog-in 4 points5 points ago

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They do; I'm proof.

[–]Bennythebugman 2 points3 points ago

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Who needs that? If they're charming, they won't swallow.

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[–]rawberry 4 points5 points ago

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HEY EVERYONE, FUNGUY83 HAS AN INSATIABLE WHORE!!!!

[–]MightyWarWren 0 points1 point ago

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Let's burn 'em!

[–]funguy83 0 points1 point ago

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huh?

[–]rawberry 0 points1 point ago

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You commented here above my comment 2 weeks ago, saying something along the lines of "mine swallows ;)".

My comment was making fun of yours using the punchline from the comic combined with the "my girlfriend" meme.

[–]funguy83 0 points1 point ago

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Was that a faux pas toward the forever alone types or something?

[–]arksmanton 0 points1 point ago

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they do, but those are the ones that'll kill you. why do you think Hefner is such a boss?

[–]charming_asshole 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like I need to say something important here. But I don't know what.

[–]scrambledbrain 2 points3 points ago

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What movie is this? I need to update my Netflix...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

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Wouldn't an insatiable whore eventually dump a prince charming for another ? Would a prince charming even mix socially with an insatiable whore (courtesan maybe...)? Wouldn't most men want a satiable (preferably only by them) whore?

Do you see any problem with 'Prince Charmings get a princess'? Or 'Prince Charmings don't pay for whores'? Charlie Sheen?

[–]seaners111 6 points7 points ago

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I'm pretty sure it's referring to unrealistic expectations and that's the whole point. Feel free to wax philosophical about it for a little longer and get back to me though...

[–]yeahwellokay 131 points132 points ago

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[–]ncaroppi 4 points5 points ago

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I think I have a new favorite webpage. Thank you.

[–]rhiesa 11 points12 points ago

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He'll be back. They always come back.

[–]leftsideright 0 points1 point ago

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I thought I saw this pic from somewhere. Thanks!

[–]rossinio 0 points1 point ago

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neato

[–]giambolvoe 32 points33 points ago

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I like this picture, but I can't help but question why those three words are underlined.

[–]Lorc 44 points45 points ago*

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Maybe the artist learned how to use emphasis from reading superhero comics?

(but the majority of these are still great)

[–]Specnerd 1 point2 points ago

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I never understood emphasis in comic books. If people actually talked that way everyone would sound retarded.

[–]seaners111 0 points1 point ago

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This got a chuckle out of me. I was reading Titans of Tomorrow last night and it seems like every other word in that comic is in emphasized. It was done so often that it would have made more sense to just make all of the dialog in bold.

[–]cptncrnch 3 points4 points ago

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I don't get why Disney wasn't underlined.

[–]scrambledbrain 1 point2 points ago

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The right age group will be drawn to prince, whore and porn. The wrong age group will be drawn to Disney.

[–]hiima 3 points4 points ago

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a prince and a whore make a porn

[–]DaVincitheReptile 0 points1 point ago

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He's trying to tell you that you're supposed to put those three words together.

pornwhoreprince... hmm I don't get it whore prince porn.. still doesn't seem to work.. prince whore porn.. Looks like I'm getting close.. anyone care to help?

[–]RasIsBoss 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly what I was wondering.

[–]Juan_Solo 24 points25 points ago

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Hence the Disney-whore Halloween costumes.

[–]bpat -1 points0 points ago

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Woooaaaaaahhh.

[–]Viper1107 45 points46 points ago

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Disney movies and porn movies are the only movies worth buying, because they're the only ones that anyone watches more than once.

[–]JoseCuervoYO 15 points16 points ago

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Untrue... Most people have watched Back to the Future at least 2 times!

[–]Phallic 24 points25 points ago

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Every day I wake up and watch Groundhog Day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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and die a little bit inside.

[–]joss33 -1 points0 points ago

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And fight club

[–]terrifiedsleeptwitch 7 points8 points ago

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For some reason I always stop watching Disney movies about 8-12 minutes in. And then wonder why I have so many tabs open.

[–]mostlyghostly 4 points5 points ago

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And he was witless enough, too, to imagine that Trout's books were very dirty books, since they were sold for such high prices to such queer people in such a place. He didn't understand that what Trout had in common with pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world.

-Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago*

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If you are being funny, it doesn't need a serious rebuttal, but if you aren't completely, some people find porn boring, and disney films childish, and both forumulaic. Take that as meaning not watchable possibly completely even once, and not worth buying. There might be a complementary joke there, but I don't see it, or possess the motivation to hone it. That probably works as a joke, since porn is repetitive and disney childish is so obvious and considered serious. Geez, I feel like a bad imitation of joke explainer sorry.

[–]gid13 26 points27 points ago

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Maybe both sets of movies are made to cater to fantasies, and expecting reality to work the same way is just stupid.

[–]PacktLikeFishees 9 points10 points ago

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I think the real problem is that they give you physical expectations that goes along with the idea. That girl may very well have an insatiable sexual drive, and he may definitely be prince charming. They just don't see it in each other and will never give the other person a chance to see what they are.

[–]zyk0s 10 points11 points ago

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To this I'll add that they don't see the good in the other person because she isn't as hot as some of the other girls, and he isn't as confident as the other boys.

[–]gonorrhea_nodule 0 points1 point ago

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And because many people are so self-centered that they simply do not extend the benefit of the doubt to others; rather just go along with the prevailing wind, as it were.

[–]hitlersshit 9 points10 points ago

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Little do they know, all they have to do is turn around.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Insatiable whore: Prince Charming.

[–]asleepyhead 46 points47 points ago

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Yes because women never have a sex drive or anything like that, only men ever want to have sex. Women just want to roll around in a pile of money all day and night.

T___T

[–]zyk0s 61 points62 points ago

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Yes because men never have a need for a kind, compassionate partner who loves and admires them. Men just want to fuck all day and night.

Both are extreme, both are stereotypical, but neither is the entirety of what the gender wants.

[–]DarqWolff -3 points-2 points ago

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Personally, from a guy, for a sexual partner all I want is someone who is hot and will have sex with me. I don't care about personality, because personality is what platonic friends are for. Western culture seems to be really hung up on thinking that you have to "connect" with someone on a "personal level" in order to have sex with them, which doesn't make much sense.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago*

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So you'll have one girl who you have sex with and one girl you talk to, open up to, and cry on the shoulder of? This should work out well...

Edit: meant girl not guy.

[–]scrambledbrain 6 points7 points ago

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It works out quite well for lots of people do this.

For a while, that is. And most of them ultimately realize that it's a lot more satisfying to combine all of these activities in one person.

Then you get to spend a few years feeling like you're Forever Alone, only because you're having trouble finding a person who satisfies all those (two) need -- love and sex.

And then you probably find him or her. But not until after you've made yourself miserable for a while first.

But you gotta fuck it up for a while first. Otherwise the rest of it never works out quite right.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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My problem with this is that it is the number one thing that guys tend to bitch about (friend zone), and this guy is saying he does it to girls like it's no big deal.

[–]mikeash 5 points6 points ago

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Friend zone is only the number one thing that insecure guys without a realistic outlook complain about. Men with their head on straight know that if you're interested, you should say so. If you get shot down, you should then look elsewhere. Being stuck in the "friend zone" is the guy's fault, not the girl's.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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"Friend zone" is not just about insecurity. That can make up one aspect of the situation, but it's not the only one. Many people just aren't comfortable grinding reproductive organs with the first willing person they meet. Many people like to have a progressive development of their relationship.

The "friend zone" is were a relationship progresses as one would expect. However, when it would normally start to become more sexual, the relationship stagnates with no immediate reason. When the other person is confronted on the matter, they state that they "are not ready for a relationship". This suggests that at some time they will be. The honest thing to do would be say "I am not sexually attracted to you, but I value you as a friend". However, this would limit said persons ability to use said other person.

Basically, although there are exceptions, the "friend zone" is about one person using another with no intention of giving anything in return. It's both individuals fault, the friend zoniee's fault for not being more assertive, and the friend zoner's fault for being a user.

[–]scrambledbrain 1 point2 points ago

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It's a little short-sighted to categorize people into [insecure guys without a realistic outlook] and [men with their head on straight].

Then again, there are two types of people in this world. Those who categorize people into two groups, and those who don't. :)

[–]mikeash 4 points5 points ago

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Nothing I wrote implies that those are the only two types.

[–]DarqWolff -1 points0 points ago*

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he does it to girls like it's no big deal

I don't do it to girls, but I don't object to / try not to have them doing it to me.

See, I don't want to be dedicated to an intimate relationship like that unless it's going to be perfect; as in, we have no conflicting personality / opinion differences. This is an extremely unlikely scenario, and I understand that, so I'm fine with it never happening. But if she were to show interest in dating me, I'd oblige for as long as we could have a healthy relationship.

Plus, if she shows interest in me, that's a huge green flag right there; I know that she agrees with me that it's stupid how girls in Western culture are usually confined to being approached by guys, and it's seldom the other way around. So there's already one big opinion / worldview we have in common. If she never shows interest even though she is interested, that's already a dealbreaker; like I said, I don't want to be friends with someone who I have conflicting worldviews and personality with.

EDIT - I feel I should elaborate so that I don't seem to be contradicting myself / being unrealistic.

I understand that meeting a girl whose personality, worldviews, opinions, tastes, etc. are literally identical is so unlikely that, from a practical standpoint, it can be called impossible. But when I say conflicting, I mean conflicting; not just differences, but conflicting differences are what make it a dealbreaker.

Here's an example involving food:

I have some weird things with food. For one thing, I don't like sharing food when it isn't needed*. A lot of girls really like sharing food at restaurants for some reason, and I don't get why. For the other, I'm a really picky eater; I don't like many fancy meals, and only a few countries of foreign food (Mexico (very lite versions of their foods), Italy (same as Mexico), and France for baked goods only).

Now, if she does like sharing food, that conflicts with me not wanting to share food. But if she doesn't like the same foods as me, there is no contradiction. I can eat the foods I like, and she can eat the foods she likes, and when we have to cook one single thing it can be one of the things we both like. I don't have a problem with someone liking different foods as me.

I do see a problem in the way some girls / people would handle this: rather than just let me eat the damn foods that I like, they'll cook things that they know I don't like, and then make me eat them because they'll be offended if I don't. That's a contradiction. I don't try to (almost-)literally force my food opinions down your throat, so I'd like it if you didn't do so to me.

Now, that said, I can still see how it's almost impossible for me to meet someone and twice as close to impossible to meet a girl with no conflictions to my personality in theirs. And until you do meet such a person, relationships are really unstable. Friendships are nowhere near as unstable, because there's so much more tolerance. It's stupid, but our psyche seems to take a lot more shit from friends than it does from SO's. You will therefore almost never have a really big breakup with a friend; you can pretty much continue being friends with them until you just drift apart, but you'll never really have one decide to stop being friends with you. So it's a lot safer to have the people you'd really care about losing be platonic friends, and the people you just want to have sex with be... fuck buddies, for lack of a better term.

*Sharing food when it isn't needed as in sharing food when the other person could have gotten their own easily. If we're at a restaurant and she doesn't order something even though I'd be paying for it, tough shit; I want to eat what I ordered, and you could have ordered it for yourself. If I'm in class eating something and someone else couldn't bring food, and it's a long class, and they're hungry, I have no problem with giving them something. (Probably because I remember when I was younger and my parents couldn't afford to give me a school snack every day, and very small numbers of the other kids were willing to spare anything.)

TL;DR - I don't friendzone girls, but I also don't actively seek intimate relationships with them except on very rare occasions. And at first sign of something that could ruin everything down the road, I pull out. <--That sentence was not initially meant to be a dirty joke

[–]DarqWolff -5 points-4 points ago

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Also, I really like open relationships, because I don't think that humans evolved to mate for life, or else we'd all have an easy time doing it.

[–]airchompers 4 points5 points ago

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humans evolved to mate for life, or else we'd all have an easy time doing it.

Humans evolved to do a great deal many of things that we still find to be hard. Humans probably evolved to be good predators. But I can tell you that I don't find running easy and I can't imagine it'd be easy to kill an animal of size without modern weapons.

[–]DarqWolff -2 points-1 points ago

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I didn't say that anything any animal evolves to do is easy for that animal, I said that if humans evolved to mate for life, we'd have an easy time doing so.

Every animal that mates for life can do so issue-free, while every animal that hunts has trouble hunting.

And it just doesn't make sense that we would have evolved to mate for life. There's tons of biological studies pointing to the fact that we didn't.

[–]asleepyhead 1 point2 points ago

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You're right. The boys of reddit complain about how they always get put in the friend zone, but this is part of why we do that shit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Wait, you do it to guys because some guys do it to you? So your logic on this is that shit rolls down hill right? So if this bites you in the ass one day, your cool with it right?

[–]asleepyhead -1 points0 points ago

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"We" as in the collective whole of females, not "I" as in me personally. And no, I'm not really one for ass biting, there are better places for teeth marks.

[–]A_Privateer 1 point2 points ago

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It's cruel to knowingly keep someone in the friend-zone when you know they want more, be it a girl or a guy.

[–]DarqWolff -1 points0 points ago

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[–]asleepyhead 1 point2 points ago

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I mean, you did specify "sexual partner," I think people were talking more about the relationship stuff. You might not care if your booty call likes Arrested Development and is a great listener, but you might care more if it was your girlfriend.

[–]DarqWolff -4 points-3 points ago

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That's my point; I feel like having a girlfriend just isn't that great. If you genuinely like a girl, it's safer for your relationship with her and more beneficial to your sex life if she is a platonic friend rather than a girlfriend.

[–]asleepyhead 3 points4 points ago

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How would that be more beneficial to your sex life?

[–]DarqWolff -2 points-1 points ago

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You're not limited to one girl.

[–]Fenryx 2 points3 points ago

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Sorry for all the people down voting you, dude. Upvotes all round for expressing yourself in a constructive and thought provoking way.

[–]DarqWolff 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks. I've been on a streak lately of negative-karma comments, always seems to happen (more recently) when I voice a serious opinion instead of making jokes.

[–]LitteLionMan 0 points1 point ago

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Alright, here's my opinion. If you like it take it, if you don't go ahead and throw it right back.

Being vulnerable makes you a complete person. And two perfect positive charges always cancel each other out. Same goes for negative. Change is good, and difference highlights similarities. To hope for perfection is exactly what this cartoon is demystifying. I'm not saying you are wrong, or that you don't know how to live your life.

But I am saying most people don't live their lives likes this.

And if you can acknowledge that, you will see that arguing with people is pointless. You aren't ashamed, so stop defending yourself. Don't expect these people to change their point of view cause of your words, and maybe they'll stop feeling like it's a fight.

[–]gonorrhea_nodule 0 points1 point ago

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You sound like a male, not a man.

[–]candygram4mongo 7 points8 points ago

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I'm a guy, and either way sounds pretty good to me. Both at once would be ideal.

[–]jasmaree 3 points4 points ago

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This is Number 1 on my "Things I'm Going to do when I Get Rich" list. Number two is 'Go to Disneyland'.

[–]asleepyhead 1 point2 points ago

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Sex in a pile of money? Me gusta (although money is really dirty, so I'm not really sure if me gusta is a smart response).

[–]candygram4mongo 2 points3 points ago

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On the contrary, that's exactly what the "me gusta" meme is for.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Papercuts with new money. Germs with old. Now washed coins ... kinky, but silk sheets are good for status and bragging.

[–]bunnystab 16 points17 points ago

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She has to be hot and insatiable. And yearn for my semen.

[–]analogkid01 19 points20 points ago

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Nice try, mom.

[–]bunnystab 23 points24 points ago

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YEARN FOR IT.

[–]hiS_oWn 7 points8 points ago

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Your semen needs more cocaine in it then.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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a device one can set up to inject addictive drugs into a woman as they ejaculate.

There is, it's called a syringe.

[–]hookeslaw 26 points27 points ago

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From my experience, I think the latter is far more common than the former.

[–]gprime 26 points27 points ago

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I'd suggest the exact opposite is true.

[–]hookeslaw 7 points8 points ago

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You think there are more prince charmings than whores?

[–]moogle516 26 points27 points ago

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Girl: I sure want an abusive asshole douche to date.

guy: why can't I find a women who isn't a whore or dating a douche ?

[–]Jahonay 24 points25 points ago

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Most guys I know want a total whore who doesn't sleep around. AKA They have no idea what they want.

[–]stillalone 47 points48 points ago

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There's no confusion. We want a girl who will only sleep with me but wants to sleep with me all the time. I'm not sure where the problem is.

[–]PolythenePam 14 points15 points ago

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I am pretty insatiable and have never been completely satisfied. I'm married btw, so it's the end of the line for me. For men, having an insatiable women all to himself in great in theory, but most men cannot keep it going for hours. As for women, wanting a rich, wealthy, & charming man who will give her alL his riches is just as unrealistic, she'd get bored out of her mind.

[–]neweraccount 10 points11 points ago

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most men cannot keep it going for hours.

The fun is in discovering our limits.

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[–]PolythenePam 4 points5 points ago

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Normally, it takes about 3-4 bouts of active sex in one session to satisfy me everytime. 'Active sex' being some kind of vaginal/anal stimulation from mouth, manual, or cock If this is attained, I'll want 2-3, maybe 4 sessions a day, everyday. I like morning sex the most, afternoon delights are nice if there's time, then there's a session before going to sleep. If no one has to be anywhere early in the morning, then sleepy-middle-of-the-night sex is great! Unfortunately for my sexualality, I have kids, so that wipes out afternoons and middle of the night. My husband is going through a 'minute man' phase; knowing that the sex will be mediocer at best significally reduces my interest in sex all together. So now, we fuck maybe 1x week if that.

Editing: clarification

[–]scrambledbrain 2 points3 points ago

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You edited this for clarity?

[–]PolythenePam 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, what? Does it not make sense? Am I abnormal?

[–]absolutsyd 0 points1 point ago

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Out of curiosity, how long does it take for you to get yourself off, versus with a partner?

[–]PolythenePam 0 points1 point ago

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5-10 seconds (in the shower, or if I get myself really hot by fantasizing), usually I make it last though.

[–]funkah 1 point2 points ago

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Right, this is not confusing or complicated.

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The 'confusion' is how realistic is it to expect a highly sexually motivated person to be exclusive. Wouldn't high sexual motivations wear down or overwhelm moral commitments in general? Isn't that basically the stereotype of a stud or femme fatale? There is probably some assymetry between the sexes wrt to this. It would be nice for more people to be sexual tigers and morally upright (saintly?).

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To make you point a little less anecdotal, and provide some form of argument. Are you suggesting it is more likely for people to be whorish, than noble, skewing expectations? This suggests social pyramids, with fewer aristocratic positions compared to more common whorish/rakish ones. Wouldn't it be more likely for men to get whores than women princes? It might be a place to start to provide empirical backing to an anecdotal claim. Is it like some people hoping to win the lottery and others hoping to make a comfortable living?

[–]hookeslaw 1 point2 points ago

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What I meant was it seems (by my estimation) easier to find a woman who acts like she is in a porn, than it is to find a man who acts like he is in a Disney movie, and have those personality traits last for an extended period of time. A hypothesis which could easily be proven given a large enough random sample.

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I agree. This is probably nothing new to you, but I like typing things out.

In a simple sense you can argue porn is more realistic (anatomically and behaviourally wrt sex) than disney portrayals are (wrt to relationships, growing up and almost everything). To a degree it is apples and oranges since generally disney isn't focused on sex. The analogy (?) roughly drawn from the comic

Disney is to girls like porn is to boys

Doesn't seem quite balanced. Both create unrealistic expectations, but to an extent about different things. Disney barely gets to a kiss and the start of a relationship phase, whereas porn skips all that and focuses mostly explicitly on the satisfaction of male carnal desires. Of course disney appeals to prepubscents, and porn to post. How prepubescents are affected by porn is another subject, related to abuse.

Disney probably pushes its envelope/formula far less. Maybe why other (?) animation like Pixar does well.

[–]neutronicus 1 point2 points ago

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Using Disney as metonymy for unrealistic female expectations in the media leaves out the arguably more important "Sex and the City".

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That would be much more balanced wrt sex and expectations.

Artisitic concerns, it may not be as general, since perhaps guys like porn a lot more than women sex and the city, whereas disney for kids is very popular.

You are correct someone could easily substitue Sex and the city for Disney, and Mr Big for Prince Charming.

Twilight instead of Disney might work too, with Edward instead prince charming, but possibly to a lesser extent since Twilight doesn't seem as adult as Porn and Bushnell.

Two easy karma variants. Someone else with the skills, might try them after a relaxed interval, so they don't seem to blatant derivative reposting. hint hint

[–]eiketsujinketsu 0 points1 point ago

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And my experience shows the opposite.

[–]Jegschemesch 4 points5 points ago

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APOCRYPHAL EXPERIENCES...FIGHT!

[–]hookeslaw 1 point2 points ago

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If eiketsuji can point out establishments which are full of 'prince charmings', and who can maintain a prince charming act years into the relationship, I'll admit defeat. Because I can easily point out many establishments bursting at the seams with loose women. I used to think I was prince charming when I was young, then realized it was just an act to make girls like me, at the end of the day I am much closer to normal than anything else.

[–]funkah 7 points8 points ago

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I dunno about the Prince Charmings, but the insatiable whores are definitely out there. It's pretty rad when you find one too.

[–]Moogel 4 points5 points ago

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Disney.. ಠ_ಠ

[–]PrinceofIce 2 points3 points ago

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Your Prince is here.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Nailed it......

[–]lic05 6 points7 points ago

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Not trying to be an ass but I swear I've seen this picture posted at least 3 times before.

[–]IDontHaveTimeForThis 1 point2 points ago

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you ass

[–]WeDontGiveAShit 0 points1 point ago

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[–]fretkush 1 point2 points ago

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Genius!

[–]teek_akita 1 point2 points ago

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You mean furries right?

[–]Fleshflayer 1 point2 points ago

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Fuck your repost.

[–]ImNakedHowBoutYou 10 points11 points ago

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This comic is actually incredibly deep and meaningful. Over the last three days I've been reading Why Men Are The Way They Are and it is just enlightening.

Basically, men treat women as sex objects. This is commonly known and complained about.

But what isn't commonly known and complained about is that women treat men as "success objects". This is the equivalent of a man using a woman just for sex.

This is why women want a prince charming while men want to sex as many girls as possible: Sexing 1000 women is the man's "primary fantasy" and getting a rich and powerful man to commit his resources and success to a woman is a woman's "primary fantasy".

The book goes into great detail about how, well, basically the feminist movement in the 70's and 80's totally fucked up American society's perception of men and women, and made things harder for both sexes.

It is a great read. I started reading it a few nights ago and I've already delved through 300 pages because I can't stop. It is just way too interesting and hits home way too much.

[–]EagleSaurus 54 points55 points ago

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Except all of these are stereotypes that overlook a growing number of people who are decent human beings.

[–]kammun1st 2 points3 points ago

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agreed. concepts of gender are created in society, and a lot of the times by pointing out the flaws in "men and women" we are just supporting this lie.

[–]zyk0s 1 point2 points ago

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A lot of people are decent human beings because of healthy upbringing and good example, which fights the instinctive impulses ImNakedHowBoutYou described. Society has been mostly about doing that: making sure people don't act on their impulses, and train humans to transcend their programming. But sometimes, societies can undo this teaching, and reverse it. The current generation of spoiled princesses and the media portrayal of girl power lowers the inhibition in women, while peer pressure for fratboy lifestyle and the validation that comes with it (it actually working, jocks scoring cheerleaders and all that) and the media portrayal associated with it lowers the inhibition in men. So it's not exactly overlooking real life, rather gives the tool for one gender to understand the other.

[–]EagleSaurus 1 point2 points ago

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Being brought up in a society and learning character traits that are generationally passed down is an essential part of being human. This is why I don't buy evolutionary psychology. Humans are meant to be learning and adaptable creatures. I don't see why the evolution of instincts has to stop in caveman times.

Also, understanding genders according to media stereotypes is just stupid and perpetuates the problem.

[–]zyk0s 1 point2 points ago

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I don't see why the evolution of instincts has to stop in caveman times.

You're talking about two very different time scales. Instincts evolve, but not over the course of a few centuries.

Also, understanding genders according to media stereotypes is just stupid and perpetuates the problem.

Yes, it is stupid, but it is happening, it's one of the current societal changes.

[–]EagleSaurus 2 points3 points ago

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Books that help you view genders through the filter of media stereotypes are not helpful and will only end up influencing your perceptions. Using it as a tool to understand genders creates a certain preconceived notion of things resulting in biases.

Media stereotypes are not happening, they have happened and have existed for ages, and I'm glad that I know a healthy dose of people who do not define genders by them. At the same time that media is indoctrinating people, it is also creating a reaction from people who see through it and refuse to buy into the morals that it sells.

It's easy to categorize people, but in reality the vast majority of people are not empty stereotypes.

[–]hiima 1 point2 points ago

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yet, a lot of girls still date douchebags

[–]moarroidsplz 13 points14 points ago

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And a lot of guys think that girls are the problem.

[–]ImNakedHowBoutYou 0 points1 point ago

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And a lot of girls think that guys are the problem.

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Just out of curiosity, are you saying that it's guys fault women make bad dating choices, or that girls aren't really dating douchebags and guys just think they are for their own ego? Because the first one emplies that guys are responsible for women's choices, which doesn't make much sense.

[–]EagleSaurus 1 point2 points ago

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Stereotypes can be based in reality. Obviously girls date douchebags. Obviously there are men who are rapists. This doesn't mean we should be idiots and assume that all men are violent pigs and all girls are money grubbing bitches.

[–]RESET-REWIND 1 point2 points ago

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Girls prefer a jerk to a supplicating whiny bitch (a lot of "nice guys"). Be better than both by being confident and charismatic. Either of which don't require an ounce of douchiness.

Don't blame women for not begging you to date them. The onus is always on you.

[–]romistrub -3 points-2 points ago

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It's a cultural thing. Guys are douchebags because girls like that and girls date douchebags because they think that's what they're supposed to like. I don't think most people question why they like what they like.

[–]EagleSaurus 5 points6 points ago

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This whole "girls date douchebags" thing is just a product of guys who have yet to find a date or have yet to actually get to know more than a handful of women.

Let's think this through for a moment. Is your dad a douchebag? Do you know any man who is not a douchebag, yet is married? Do you have any friends with girlfriends? Are they douchebags? No? And yet do you still believe this?

Stop watching tv or, conversely, stop only acknowledging the hot chicks in the world.

[–]romistrub 0 points1 point ago

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I didn't mean to imply "all X does Y", just an explanation for the X that does do Y.

[–]SilenceofTheTrolls 0 points1 point ago

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ITS BECAUSE SOME THINGS ARE AND SOME THINGS ARE'NT!!! YOU CAN'T BE SOMETHING YOUR NOT WHEN YOU ARE!!! OR CAN'T YOU?!?! YES, NO, YES?!?!

[–]hiima -2 points-1 points ago

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YOU'RE

[–]yeeha2222 10 points11 points ago

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Because American society's perception of men and women wasn't already fucked up? There wasn't a law against spousal rape in the US until the mid 70s and North Carolina didn't make it illegal until 1993.

[–]Voduar 4 points5 points ago

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Go Heels!

All kidding aside, I am not sure sodomy laws are off the books in NC.

[–]yeeha2222 1 point2 points ago

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They're probably still on the books but they're not going to be enforced thanks to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

[–]Voduar 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, that sounds sadly accurate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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That can be explained by changing values, which may not be universal. The greeks practised pederasty, today in some places illegal and shameful. This is not an argument to condone domestic sexual violence, but through much of history a wife is a husband property, and people don't get generally get upset over others property.

People never seem to come up with good arguments for universal social values in any discussion like these... something that might sway entrenched religious or cultural prejudices.

[–]yeeha2222 0 points1 point ago

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I have no idea why you wrote what you wrote. I was merely asking for them to explain how second wave feminsm "fucked up" our gender perception any more than it already was and I used the nc thing as an example of how fucked up it still is/was.

[–]Damaband41 4 points5 points ago

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Sounds interesting. Out of curiosity are you a guy or girl?

[–]naked_guy_says 5 points6 points ago

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I am too.

[–]JohnTDouche 0 points1 point ago

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Well that's the method that works for propagating the species in a hostile environment. The first world is no longer a hostile environment so thankfully some people make the effort to evlove.

[–]Number1RentedNoodle 0 points1 point ago

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I have absolutely no problem with spoiling the object of my affection.

I'm just looking for one insatiable sex-fiend who can give back emotionally.

[–]satereader 0 points1 point ago

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but who cares? that's part of the human condition. a guy has sexual needs. Not because he decided to have them, he was born that way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with objectifying a woman (or a woman doing the reciprocal) in and of itself. The problem only comes when people are deceitful about it. As in, I if I say I want more than sex and I'm lying about it.

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Nothing in particular about your post which is otherwise excellent, just the following phrase is extremely grating

men treat women as sex objects

This is such a stilted an overused phrase, taken very far from its original context.

It is like saying 'men treat women like fleshlights'. Maybe their vaginas if they get the chance.

Do we say women 'treat men like sex objects' because they have Dildos?

Sex objects as opposed to what else? Some other kind of object? An object of success or status (from parent post)? As opposed to as a peer? if so why not simply say 'men don't treat women like peers' or men don't treat women 'fairly' or 'equally'? Objectification is hardly exclusively male, nor exclusively or necessarily most damagingly done to women.

Doesn't is often just mean something like 'men primarily want sex from women'?

It is almost a banal cliche. The book you linked sounds fascinatingly related, thanks.

[–]Menoku 0 points1 point ago

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...and the blues.

[–]suninabox 0 points1 point ago

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Way to fail on

The average internet guy isn't "where the hell is my insatiable whore".

Its more like "where the hell is any actual woman between the ages of 16-50 that will look at me twice, oh god why am i so repulsive to women WHY!!!!".

[–]pandemic1444 0 points1 point ago

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Never the other way around?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly how do you define "Prince?"

[–]Joe_12265 0 points1 point ago

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I'd settle for satiable whore.

[–]electricsheepdog 0 points1 point ago

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And here I thought they were going in a different direction.

[–]shamecamel 0 points1 point ago

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somehow I think they're a bit different

[–]digitumn 0 points1 point ago

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so true

[–]broken_sword 0 points1 point ago

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still waiting for my insatiable whore(s)!

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[–]downvoted_for_TRUTH 1 point2 points ago

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Alternatively, insatiable man-whores?

[–]nameredacted 0 points1 point ago

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And to think that Disney is responsible for both! Oh, you certainly are a wedge between people, Walt.

[–]onFilm -2 points-1 points ago

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Disney? I'd say that the media portrayal of woman has to do more with the problems on their side. And for porn, any man that expects women to act the way they do on their 21inch screen hasn't had much experience socially.

[–]Anzi -3 points-2 points ago

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I don't want to be an asshole and brag, but...this picture is totally of me and my boyfriend about a minute before turning around and meeting each other. At a reddit meetup. One year next month and going strong.

[–]Damaband41 -4 points-3 points ago

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Most women that want a prince charming just want a guy to do everything for them and take care of them. They clearly don't deserve to have a guy like that yet they want it so much.

[–]14_88 0 points1 point ago

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I'd like to have a human pet that cleans and cooks and shits on my face.

[–]Damaband41 0 points1 point ago

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don't we all?

[–]14_88 0 points1 point ago

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No. These pussies with wishful thinking not only believe that women are capable of critical thought, they think that they're out EQUALS!! LOL!! MAYBE THEIR EQUALS!!! I'd also like to point out there's a difference between being dumb and being wrong and being smart and being right, so smart males may buy into the feminist lie, and bitches may know that they're inferior, but they're still dumb, but they accept the truth man. So yeah, lots of men are really submissive to dykes and bitches, I seriously spelled men women there because I'm talking about these scum, these stupid scum.

SCIENCE IS TABOO.

[–]RESET-REWIND -2 points-1 points ago*

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Those are serious beta-males, who run around doing everything for a girl and never get laid. Everyone knows, women don't know what they want.

[–]Damaband41 0 points1 point ago

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I meant they want a guy that does everything for them but then is also macho. It's the paradox of a macho sensitive guy. And yes they don't know what they want and that's why so many women have such trouble finding a man.

[–]RESET-REWIND 0 points1 point ago

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They think they want that. A guy who does everything for a girl comes off as supplicating, needy, and dependent. All three of which are huge attraction killers.

You help her out when she helps you out. If she earns it. Subconsciously, girls realize that and find that incredibly attractive even if on the surface they don't think so. A guy who isn't necessarily macho, but is confident, charismatic, and doesn't need external validation for his own self-esteem is what ultimately all women crave... even they don't say it themselves.

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[–]schwags 17 points18 points ago

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Correction, you know very few guys who have admitted that :)

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Fact. I've never met a guy whose fantasy is "I want a woman to drag me into her bedroom, slam the door, strip down to her matching black lace underwear, and then crawl into bed, stare at me with deep, sensual eyes and then tell me she's not really in the mood after her long day, but she guesses we can still have sex if I really want to, as long as it doesn't take too long."

[–]jasmaree 2 points3 points ago

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Good. Because I don't like to match my underwear and lace is uncomfortable.

[–]adelz7 -2 points-1 points ago

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Porn is for the lazy people - really, think about it. So a man looks at porn because he's randy. Wants to get sex. But what is he getting? Trojans, less sleep, a fake fantasy world.

Disney flicks, I dunno. We all see them, right? Yeah women dream of prince charming, but a charming prince is a much more admirable goal than an "insatiable" sex-machine, innit? Agree me please ?

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No guy expects sex to be like a porno.

[–]YaHuWaH -2 points-1 points ago

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The Joo's are responsible for both