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Right brain Left brain. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 1 year ago by logomachy
[–]tyrghast 581 points582 points583 points 1 year ago
I am an advertisement, I am a product of the dark side of free market.
[–][deleted] 355 points356 points357 points 1 year ago
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
[–]rexsjain 163 points164 points165 points 1 year ago
I am a redditor, I am a professional opinionator.
[–][deleted] 234 points235 points236 points 1 year ago
I am a firestarter, twisted firestarter.
[–][deleted] 106 points107 points108 points 1 year ago
I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Ergo, I am perfect.
[–]donuts741 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I am your soul, I am a killer
[–]solidwhetstone 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
It's Nerf. Or nothin'.
[–]iRDT 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I am your father.
[–]KoNP 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
I am Jack's medulla oblongata.
Without me, Jack cannot regulate his heartrate, blood pressure or breathing.
[–]ste0x 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
The first rule of fight club is.....
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
...
[–]orange_jooze 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
[–]TheUrge 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
It's okay, Bob. I'm a member.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
I get cancer. You die.
...oh wait.
[–]killermtgbabe 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Durden's law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Tyler Durden or Fight Club approaches.
[–][deleted] 103 points104 points105 points 1 year ago
Why is an advertisement the 'dark side' of the free market? Surely lobbying, selfishness and social dejection is?
I find many advertisements quite beautiful.
[–]wadcann 77 points78 points79 points 1 year ago
The sort of fine art that we apparently now consider pure, and will happily stick in museums, like Roman statues or Renaissance paintings, originally had just as much goal of influencing people and as much political and financial calculation behind them.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
As much? Really? I'm not doubting you, I am genuinely interested. Could you please elaborate?
[–][deleted] 87 points88 points89 points 1 year ago*
I'll provide an example.
There is a stark contrast between busts made in likeness of Caesar and of Augustus. Archaeologists have found thousands of both, and Caesar's busts portray him at various stages in life, adorned with articles that appropriately describe his office at that point of his life. Augustus's busts, however, all portray him at the prime of his life, around age 30, and they are nearly always unadorned with the notable exception of the Blockade Crown, the highest military honor in Rome and for which he had especially petitioned (though ostensibly, it was "presented" by the Senate).
This is especially strange when you consider that Augustus lived to be an octogenarian, whereas Caesar was assassinated in his fifties. This is because in an age when there was no mass media of any kind, busts served an important political role, so Augustus opted to present himself to the public not in his contemporary likeness but in his most virile physical form.
Whereas for Caesar (and for most contemporary Roman aristocrats I assume), the busts were disseminated in order to make his likeness immediately recognizable, for Augustus they served a completely different purpose. I suspect Augustus had no need for something so 'mundane' as popularity and recognizability. Indeed, the busts of Augustus seems to be nothing short of a carefully managed brand. At any rate, Octavian was a devious politician worthy of Caesar's legacy. Of the Life of Caesars is a great work on the subject. If you're interested in the political intrigue of Roman Emperors, I recommend you check it out.
[–]droctoplatypus 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Ha, as soon as he mentioned Roman statues, I thought "I bet someone will mention Augustus". Amazing, I actually remember something from my ancient history classes on the "Golden Age" of the Roman Empire.
There's so much crap he had made/was made for him; Alter of Peace, Via Labicana,Res Gestae, all his different bloody coins, propaganda against Marc Antony and Cleopatra, not to mention is total dominance over Rome and the senate with his crazy laws and titles. Imperium proconsulare maius, Tribunicia potestas, man how cool do they sound. Augustus was the shit.
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[–]shawster 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
This is why I visit Reddit.
[–]NeilMehta 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
probably more back then - more politically motivated through the Church to establish its authority through grandeur
[–]Leechifer 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago
Perhaps OP thinks all product information should be simply black text on a plain white background? Organic Oatmeal Food Product
[–]robotpirateninja 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Looks like someone has been shopping at Aldi.
/it's actually quite disconcerting to not see familiar brands all around you
[–]elperroborrachotoo 35 points36 points37 points 1 year ago
As someone quipped "On the two blocks to my gym, I pass three giant, colorful tempting advertisements for fast food".
What catches me again and again is the pervasiveness of advertising, how much space - public and private - is "graced" by it. As recent (as well as not-so-recent) neuroscience research shows, "you can just ignore it" is just half of the story.
The second problem for me is that advertisement seems somehow excempt from moral and social rules. If I'd promise my friends a rich, thick, gleaming burger and give them fast food shit, that would raise a few eyebrows at least. A person that shows the same distance between tell and do would be called a liar - rightfully. We permanently see that it's good to stretch the truth if it makes you money.
Disclaimer I've grown up with comparedly little advertising, so especially the first part is nagging me.
[–]chainmailws6 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
I absolutely understand what you're getting at but I think you'll find that a majority of people you meet DO have ulterior motives for developing any type of relationship with you. I can count on one hand the number of people I know (excluding family members) that want me in their lives simply because they like me for who I am. And even then one could argue that their ulterior motive is to fulfill a need for companionship. Advertisers aren't that much different from anyone it's just that the ulterior motive is much more obvious (over-embellish/exaggerate product -> entice you into purchasing product).
[–]TravFirst 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Let's use your relationship model and apply it back to the original context given the variable: Restaurants with opposing advertizing practices.
1) Overly expressed, found on every street corner, flashy, cheap, and generally viewed as unhealthy = Whore
2) Found with/via a friend, Special event/gathering, more expensive, rare or unique qualities easily identified, longing to revisit, talk about it afterwards = Wifey
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Aww, that's sad. I'll be your friend.... but only to impress the other redditors.
[–]Syptryn 311 points312 points313 points 1 year ago
I am sick of people lumping scentists with left brain. To actually perform in academia, you need more than analytical thinking, you need to think and invent ideas no one has thought before. A career in math or science demands creativity.
Whoever wrote the poster has the deluded notion of equating Maths to accounting.
[–]lumberjackninja 112 points113 points114 points 1 year ago
This is something I'll never understand. Math != Arithmetic, but most people (at least here in the US) barely get to learn any algebra and thus think that mathematicians just sit around all day crunching numbers by hand. They have no idea about Fourier series or Taylor expansions or any of the myriad mathematical concepts that make their iPhones useable.
/rant
[–]Vallena 75 points76 points77 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you're a math major? Do you know what blah blah blah is?" "I am a math major, not a walking calculator."
[–]lillesvin 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
It's funny because people wouldn't say "Oh, you're a carpenter. Hammer in a nail."
For linguists it's: "Oh, you're a linguist. How many languages do you speak?" or "Is it correct to say 'blablabla'?".
[–]SteveRyherd 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you're a programmer? Can you look at my email?"...
[–]HunterHunted 35 points36 points37 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you study psychology? Are you like, reading my mind at the moment?"
[–]JohnnyUtah 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
This is a fine parade of sad faces, but you really don't want to hear the statements/requests/questions/accusations that follow, "oh, you're a lawyer?"
[–]psykulor 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you're a writer? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"
[–]angelslittlebird 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Fellow psych major.
/rage
[–]fburnaby 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you're an engineer, drive my train!". Oh wait. I guess I lucked out on this one, that never happens.
[–]juice8313 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
No...but they might say: "Oh, you're a carpenter. Can you make me a nice wardrobe please?" Not exactly an unreasonable request...
[–]d_ja 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
"Oh, you're a math major? Do you know what walking is?" "I am a math major, not a walking calculator."
[–]lumberjackninja 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Exactly. I'm pretty good with algebra and calculus, but I'm shit with basic arithmetic. We have machines to do that kind of work.
[–]cyked 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Bob Loblaw?
[–]JohnGalt2010 46 points47 points48 points 1 year ago
That's one thing I don't like about our school system. 99% of people don't realize how extensive math is, or even what the point of most of it is. What pissed me off was that I spent all of those years taking alg/trig/precalc and no one ever told me how important these things are to higher math, or even why different methods are useful.
Example being, when I learned about half angle formulas in trig, they had absolutely no function. I could tell you that sin(x/2)=((1-cosx)/2).5, give me a triangle and a problem out of the book and I can give you something. But fucking why? No one ever gave any practical examples, or even hinted as to why I might want to know this.
Now taking calc I/II, I see reasons for learning things like that, or how to find the inverse of a function. I understand that you don't want to go too deep before you have the necessary background, but if someone would have explained what calculus/derivatives/integrals were, and helped conceptualize them, I think it would have made everything after alg 2 easier.
[–]inter10per 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
I remember taking a grad level thermal radiation class and being confronted with my first integro-differential equation. The professor sort of wrote it out next to his sketch of the physical problem and was like "uh, so we haven't really figured out how to solve these yet, so we're going to make some assumptions..."
And then something hit me... was like seeing my mathematical life flash before my eyes. I saw visions of tensor calculus, governing PDEs and fluid boundary layer problems, numerical methods and iterative solutions, multivariate calc and diff-eq, basic calculus, trig, stat, algebra... long devision and doing multiplication tables with my dad... my chubby fingers holding a crayon and struggling to write the sequence 1, 2, 3...
And suddenly I was like "holy fuck, I've eaten my way through to the other side".
Nowadays I have trouble adding 20% to the bill at a restaurant. I have to remind myself to carry the one.
[–]Ph0ton 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
That is seriously one of the coolest quotes I have ever heard about math. I will give you an upvote in exchange for using that somewhere, someday.
[–]qblock 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago*
The academic system is based on building things from the ground up. It works for people who can learn like that. However, you are the type of person that needs/wants to learn from the ceiling down.
There are advantages to both ways of learning. I would say the ceiling-down approach is more efficient if you know exactly what you want to do. The bottom-up doesn't assume you know what you want to do and tries to teach you a good foundation for whatever you choose. It's not as simple as I'm making it out to be, but spending time on specific examples is very hard to do when you have a lot of material to cover. (harder than you would think - imagine if a teacher showed you why the trig identity was useful in calculus and drew up an integral. Many students would get stuck on what the sqiggly integral sign was and much of the teacher's words would lost. The example might be lost on them and they wouldn't gain anything from the example, unless the teacher took even more time to explain integration. Or maybe some students don't care about calculus at all, and don't plan to take it - pre-calc was just next on the list for them. Basically pre-calc has a general audience and you have to cater to that as a teacher.)
I suggest for you to just pick up a book in something you want to learn. When you come across things you don't understand, go and learn those things. When it comes to certain subjects, I'm like you, and that works for me - especially since I finished school. Though I like learning math, engineering, and computer science, and I consider everything I learn as a possible tool for some unknown future problem - or at the very least I know of that material's existence and can look it up if I recognize it elsewhere. From that perspective, it's much easier for me to accept what I'm learning without explanation as to why I should learn it.
[–]MBuddah 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
man, you really hit that on the nose. i haven't had to take and trig or calculus, but statistics was a serious bitch for me. i passed with a decent grade after countless hours of tutoring, but i don't feel like a learned a single thing other than how to pass tests. i can solve some ludicrous nutty professor distribution problems that fill up half a chalk board, but there's no freaking way i could explain exactly what the answer means.
The way they teach math, is it really at all surprising that people think mathematicians just sit around doing algebra all day like sodoku puzzles or going into work and just filling up blackboards with equations for nine hours, occasionally rubbing one out and looking serious?
[–]scsoc 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
rubbing one out
hehe, I wish this was what mathematicians did for a living.
[–]xprimexinverse 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
In eigth grade I had the biggest crush on my math teacher. Huge raging boner math crush.
It followed me all the way through grad school, where once we got to the linear algebra, I would have a boner like 1/2 the time in class.
Sometimes during sex, if I have a hard time "maintaining" I will start working my way through a cross-product matrix, inverting a matrix ....
Damnit, I shouldn't be typing this at work.
[–]Arc125 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Well, I understand that's what they don't do, but what do they actually do all day? Obviously, if you're in research, you're a professor for a significant portion of your time.
But honestly, tell me what the day-to-day is like. Do you walk into an office and start scratching away at a pad of graph paper filled with equations and lines of investigation from the past few months? Do you submit inputs to computers and wait to see what comes out? Like you said, most laypeople think that mathematicians just sit around all day churning through calc textbook problems or some sheeeeiiit. So if mathematicians are tired of this view, perhaps a little public visibility is in order. What do they actually do every day?
[–]acetv 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I may not be a professor yet, but I do do mathematics, so I think I can answer your question.
Do you walk into an office and start scratching away at a pad of graph paper filled with equations and lines of investigation from the past few months?
You've actually got the spirit of it, more or less. It's uncommon to keep around old calculations though; if you've done it once you can do it again if you need to, but usually you just convince yourself of something and move on.
Sometimes you start with a problem, something you've thought up or not. Your goal is to solve this problem in some satisfactory sense, so you work at trying to understand it. Is it possible to solve it at all? What's stopping it from going through easily? Sometimes the most important question is: why isn't it easy?
You develop a number of properties of the problem and the field(s) of mathematics it sits in. You get a feel for the underlying structure of everything, some kind of idea of the workings of the system. You know that relatively simple rules can describe incredibly complicated behavior--it is the mathematician's job to get a handle on this behavior, to describe it thoroughly and completely. To conquer it. I guess it's a little like figuring out someone else's magic trick.
So you see, mathematics isn't really about computation or calculation. It's about understanding. Sometimes we need to calculate things, sure. But our calculations are not usually the kind of calculation you can do with a computer; they are conceptual and abstract. We'll write down equations and expressions and whatnot, but these are peppered between paragraphs or even pages of exposition.
So yeah, that pretty much sums it up. We look, we explore, we play around with concepts and make them do interesting things. Sometimes it doesn't happen quickly (I'd be embarrassed to say how long I've been working on my current pet problem), and you might not get a damn thing done some days. But eventually you'll get that spark of creativity you needed to look at the thing from a completely original direction, and it's that spark of creativity they pay you for.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I mostly just sniff markers all day. When I got tenure I stopped trying to hide this fact.
No, not really.
[–]capnza 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
They have no idea about Fourier series or Taylor expansions or any of the myriad mathematical concepts that make their iPhones useable.
My guess is that you are a second year engineering student. Am I close?
[–]honda27 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
Yeah yeah, you damn scientists always braggin' about your double-sided brains. I was only born with a right one, you asshole!
I know cause I took a test on the internet
[–]Justintoxicated 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I took an internet test yesterday on career aptitude, it based how "creative" the test taker is on how many questions you answered as doing the irresponsible choice like "your coworker needs to leave early and asks you to do their work" do you a. do the work because they will return the favor b. not do the work it's their job c. pass the work off onto an intern
If you picked b or c chances are this test would consider you creative.
[–]stunt_penguin 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
d) no, because fuck them, that's why!
verdict: redditor
[–]james8900 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
I'm no psychologist, but the last time I read up on this idea, it was fairly well debunked. I mean, from what I understand, there certainly are differences between the right and left hemispheres. But they don't line up with creativity on the right and analysis on the left. Rather, the right hemisphere tends to be more involved with mathematics and spatial relationships, and the left is more involved with language. I don't know, maybe there's been more research since then. I'll admit I'm about 12 years behind. But I do somewhat resist the assumption that analytical people can't be creative and vice versa. I mean, that would kind of suck for everybody, wouldn't it?
[–]jeffhughes 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
You're exactly right. There is some lateralization between the two hemispheres (some "specialization", if you will), but a) the two share a lot of the workload, so it's not like all mathematics is handled by the right brain, for example; and b) they communicate back and forth with each other anyway, so the difference becomes utterly unimportant except in a general sense of "now we know something more about the brain, isn't that cool."
[–]BinaryShadow 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I would say it takes some left brain energies to get to the point where you can wield these analytical concepts like a carpenter wields a hammer, but once you're there it takes a lot of creativity to try these tools out in new ways. It's almost like the frontier is always an art while getting to the frontier is a very systematic process.
[–]pmac135 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Don't be so critical of accounting either. You may think it is unidimensional but it is not. Much like how learning math is straightforward and systematic, so too is accounting.
But high level jobs involving accounting use the knowledge of the system to make important business decisions, ranging from finding weaknesses in a company's debt/equity model, or tracing where income comes from and what changing slight numbers around can do to the entire system.
Saying accounting demands no creativity whatsoever is pretty much analogous to your first criticism.
[–]AdmiralMackbar 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
This gets posted semi-regularly on reddit but is a great read for those who haven't yet seen it:
http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf
A real mathematician decrying the math curriculum supplied to the general public.
[–]benshere 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
kinda like how reddit generally likes to lump art/creative/media majors into the no logic/hipster category? then, ironically, the article below it has a meme praising a good film.
[–]DarthYoda 407 points408 points409 points 1 year ago
It would be nice, but sorry, not quite how it works
[–]Mackinstyle 180 points181 points182 points 1 year ago
Sometimes I wonder if people actually think the right/left brain thing IS how it works. I remember calling bullshit in the 5th grade and my teacher not really having much of a defense.
[–]NeilNeilOrangePeel 84 points85 points86 points 1 year ago
Kinda like the 'you only use 10% of your brain' myth.. it just wont go away.
[–]FuckInternetExplorer 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
redditors use 66% of their brain
[–]threading 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago
while fapping.
[–]ilostmyoldaccount 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
In my country, I was raised with the notion of only 2% being used. As a kid, I called bullshit because I knew nature wouldn't waste so much brain for nothing.
[–]wadcann 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I imagine that it's accurate but misleading.
I expect that it's like calculating that during rush hour in LA, only 10% of the surface area of the streets are actually covered by a car at any one time, so LA only uses 10% of its road capacity. Well, okay, great, but if you state that in a way that makes the reader think that you can stuff ten times as much traffic on the roads without problems, you're being misleading.
[–]gf-ftw 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
It's not really accurate either, but it does seem to be originating from the same mistake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth
[–]Daboa 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
First the lateralization thing, then the tongue thing, now the 10% thing. It's too early in the morning to lose so much of my life's foundation. Why do people say we use 10% of our brain and how are you sure it's not true?
[–]NeilNeilOrangePeel 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Here's a Wikipedia article debunking the myth.
[–]I_can_see_your_brain 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
There are several suggested reasons why this 10% myth came about. Some attributed it to an offhand remark made by Einstein (not confirmed), another through experiments done by Karl Lashley. More likely though is the characterization of glial cells relative to neuronal cells which have been cited as high as a 10:1 ratio. Glial cells, up until very recently were regarded as simply 'clean-up' support cells and thought to not be important to actual brain activity, which is certainly not the case.
We can be fairly certain the '10% usage myth' is bullshit, through: neuroimaging techniques (PET, fMRI, MEG), neurosurgery observation (reactivity to physical stimuli) and neuropsychological experiments (lesion studies).
Just a quick rambling on my part so if you want a more detailed explanation, let me know.
[–]Astroid 110 points111 points112 points 1 year ago
I remember when we tried it out and the results werent statistically significant.
[–]selfsufficientnigga 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
That's what she said.
[–]BeefPieSoup 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Rarely does she say innuendo as clever as that any more.
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
TIL you can taste every kind of taste on pretty much all of your tongue, but with different intensities. So it's still sweet at the tip, bitter in the back and salty and sour on the sides of the tongue. Sorry, in German.
[–]CinoBoo 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago
There are five taste categories. The Japanese found another one.
[–]kirstead 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Is there a difference between savory and umami? Have we not had this shit for years?
[–]CinoBoo 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Is there a difference between savory and umami?
No.
Have we not had this shit for years?
Yes, although apparently Groundfish didn't know that.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
To be honest, a majority of what you sense as taste is processed by the olfactory bulb at the back of the throat, near enough in the nose. The tongue has a minority role in the generation of taste.
This is why sometimes, you think you can taste a smell. It's also the reason why you can describe food by something you've smelled but would not eat. IE: "smoky" or "wood-like flavour"
[–]cin_vhetin 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
The brain isn't split into two halves, one analytical and one creative?
The tongue doesn't have specific regions which sense specific tastes?
Shit, my whole world is crumbling around me.
[–]killswithspoon 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I'd say you've been a lemming for all these years, but turns out that's not even true.
[–]NitWit005 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I got in trouble for calling BS on that one.
[–]ReducedToRubble 49 points50 points51 points 1 year ago
In my book, unless you get in trouble for calling BS on something in public school, you haven't had the public school experience. For me, it was "Earth has the highest gravity in the solar system." My first grade teacher did not appreciate me telling her that Jupiter has higher gravity than Earth.
Another was that you always add digits starting with the right side first. The problem was "Is 3000 + 3150 more than 6000?" The teacher asked which numbers do you add first. I said the threes, because if they equal six then it means there's a minimum of 6000 and so the number logically has to be greater than 6000 because you have another 150 to add. I was told that Math does not work that way, and was marked down.
[–]Tokacheif 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
One of my teachers told me that what makes an island an island is that it floats. That was a joke for my friends all through high school.
[–]mayonnnnaise 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
I had good teachers. If we called them out, they rewarded us.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I always thought that you start adding from the right side first because then you start with smaller numbers (eg. ones, tens and hundreds) like for example:
4178
3259
You add up the 8 and 9, and get 17. You add the one to the 'tens' column and leave a 7 in the 'ones' column. Then you get 13 together in the 'tens' columns, leave a 3 there and add the 1 to the 'hundreds' column, etc.
If you had started from the left then you'd have to go back to the 'thousands' column and fix any new numbers there. And when doing this in your mind you might fuck up and what not more easily.
[–]gone_to_plaid 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
That is true if you actually care what about the value of the sum. Since the teacher just wanted to compare numbers, adding the left most didgits was a great trick to see the answer right away. Basically, the question the teacher gave for motivation had solutions that did not use the technique they were trying to demonstrate (i.e. adding from the right)
[–]barsoap 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
That's the long and boring, way, yes. A good proof takes a straight route, one that is easy to follow and brings the point home. I fully concur with the OP that
3000 + 3000 = 6000, 150 > 0
is elegant. You wouldn't mulitply 5 by 123 but 123 by 5, too, would you? If you insist on doing maths the rote way, I suggest you become a computer.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I am a computer.
[–]bazhill04 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Many people do it that way (myself included), although there is an effort to change the way it's taught to something like this: Start with 4178 and add 3000 to get 7178. Then add 200, then 50 and then 9. It's actually a more efficient way, but it's somewhat harder to teach young children.
[–]peeonyou 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
That reminds me of when I was 11 and went to the public library with my family. We all wandered off to find something we liked and I happened upon a book about this subject and how you could train yourself to use your right brain to be able to draw fantastically.
The whole concept in the first two chapters (as far as I got before I got bored with it) was that if you drew everything upside down and from bottom to top, you would force your right side to engage over your left because it would completely confuse your left "brain".
Why I remember that so much is because when I went to check that book out among about 6 others the librarian scolded me and asked who I was borrowing the book for. She didn't believe that I wanted to read it or that I was capable of reading it.. I can't be sure which. But that burned me and I chided her back and asked her to do her job and give me the books.
[–]mayonnnnaise 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
What a bitch. No wonder people hate learning.
[–]niarfe 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
that is actually a pretty good book, drawing on the right side of the brain, I wouldn't know if you're using the right side of the brain, but it teaches you to look before drawing. For instance, when one draws a face, people tend to draw what they think an eye is, and not what they're looking at. The whole point of drawing something upside down is to confuse you and not let you think, ah! I see a leg, I shall draw a leg, instead you see a line going in a certain direction with a certain length. It's a pretty good book to learn how to draw!
[–]drphungky 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What a novel (to me) idea! Brilliant. Wish I had seen that when I was younger before I decided I don't know how to draw and never will learn. Ah well.
[–]pathophrenic 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Yeah, I've noticed that drawing upside down makes faces much easier (from a photograph or monkey bars) because it overrides your brain's preconceived notion of how a face should be constructed.
[–]LostPhenom 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This is true. You're not thinking about how it should look like. The only thing you're concentrating on doing is drawing all the lines correctly instead of looking at it as a whole.
[–]slightlystartled 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain!
My wife read that book when she was 11, now she does stuff like this.
She recommends that book to people all the time. It was so instrumental to her.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I can't count the number of times I've heard scientists and other really smart people mention the left/right thing. Of course people will think it's true. I've always thought it was true until this moment.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Yes, this attitude of "geez, how many people really think that?" feels very condescending. I have never been told otherwise, and although I am an interested, fairly well-read person, my day-to-day life and reading has never happened to bring me across the notion that this little tidbit about the brain is untrue.
In fact, this advanced and solidified that notion in my mind - of the difference between right and left.
Can someone explain what I'm missing here?
I always thought people completely missed the boat on why we teach and learn that lesson. It really is not about the science behind it, or which side of the brain does what.
That lesson teaches us that people think differently. Some us are more creative, while others are analytical. It is a simple tool to help people start grasping that their own perceptions vary from others.
It is one of our strongest common lessons on self-awareness.
[–]klbcr 102 points103 points104 points 1 year ago
Can you elaborate on that?
I have read the wikipedia article on lateralization of brain function and it seems that it would corroborate the general idea of the original post. Of course, in reality it is not as clear cut as the picture would led us to believe, "lateralizations are functional trends" says wikipedia, and obviously it is exaggerated and overblown in popular culture but still, I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the submission.
I am not a scientist, but the sources listed in the wiki article mostly aren't older than 10 years. If you have some more insight into this than the general population, could you please say why it is "not quite how it works"?
[–]mikemcg 78 points79 points80 points 1 year ago
Hear, hear. Simply dismissing it doesn't really help us uneducated folks.
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2007/10/the_left_brain_right_brain_myt.php
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago*
I'm a psychology student, and lateralization of brain functions doesn't equate one side being more logical and the other being more creative.
Here is an example of lateralization: The corpus callosum gets cut. This is the part of the brain that connects the left and right hemispheres. This is really cool - if the patient sees two separate pictures on the left and right eye, the patient may be able to say what he/she say with the right eye, yet if you hand him/her a pencil and paper, he/she might draw the picture seen with the left eye.
Sure, while it is true one side MAY be more "logical", it doesn't mean one side thinks completely differently than the other. Hopefully you can see from the above example what "lateralization" means - it's quite hard to describe. For example, Broca's area (which deals with the speaking of words) is lateralized. However, to say different types of intelligence is lateralized is a huge stretch.
[–]gtac 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Wernicke's area was here, Broca's area sucks.
(Or more accurately: Wernicke's was here and has Broca really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?)
[–]IsThisTheRealLife 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
In reality it is not as clear cut as the picture would led us to believe, it is exaggerated and overblown.
[–]Plumhawk 37 points38 points39 points 1 year ago
True. I do not have a bull charging out of the right side of my head.
[–]mijj 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
you dont!?
[–]smilingarmpits 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Pity.
[–]I_can_see_your_brain 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I can confirm this.
[–]libertao 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Couldn't this sentence refer to virtually any advertisement?
[–]klbcr 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
How would you explain to someone the idea of brain lateralization without generalizations? The picture is not meant to be a textbook, it just tries to show the general outline of brain lateralization. Would the picture be any closer to reality if it tried to blur the to hemispheres, or something like that? It would never be a fair representation of reality, same way as a verbal explanation wouldn't be.
The problem I have with DarthYoda's comment is that it's a typical condescending remark which upon further examination reveals itself to be trivial and it's only use is for it's author to be viewed as the typical skeptical redditor who cares for scientific rigor and which gets upvoted because those who upvoted somehow think they will be smart and skeptical by association. The truth is that the comment is trivial and out of place, and offers no arguments, and it should not be the top comment.
[–]laxt 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Actually, the picture is meant to be an advertisement for Mercedes Benz.
[–]lizisimod 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Lateralisation of brain function does indeed corroborate with the general idea of the post. Unfortunately for everyone, brains are never that simple (its what also makes me love neuroscience so much). If youre interested in an interesting example of lateralisation, the TED talk by Jill Bolte. During her stroke, as a neuroscientist, she was able to analyse what was happening to her and experienced what happens when one hemisphere takes over from another. Also, if youre interested, the book "Islands of Genius" by Darold Treffert talkes about savant syndrome and how this could be linked to lateralisation.
[–]Jonny0stars 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago*
But that is how it works to a certain extent. So much so in fact they're people with severe ticks (hitting themselves in the face when asleep etc) because one side of the brain fights for dominance with the other if the corpus callosum is cut.
Take at look at this experiment
EDIT: The ticks i was talking about are called Alien hand syndrome
[–]Ihaveangrydreams 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I drew a similar sketch a long time ago, here you go. (Drawing for me is just a hobby, but the very few drawings that I spend more than a few minutes on turn out all right)
http://i.imgur.com/q81r2.jpg
[–]sirberus 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
You should get that prostate checked out soon.
[–]EarlDarnhardt 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
It's a piece of art. Mebbe you reading into it a bit much?
[–]doody 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Iain McGilchrist has a terrific book combining psychiatry and neuroscience about how the divided brain functions, in animals and birds as well as humans, called “The Master and his Emissary.”. His RSA lecture is here.
[–]DietColaWithLime 337 points338 points339 points 1 year ago
I am the psych major.
I am the person who gets pissed off at overly-simplified representations of psychological concepts that give people misconceptions regarding the field that lead them to conclude that psychology is pseudoscience.
[–]dakk12 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
I am a false dichotomy.
[–]oldjoe 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
So is the left-right brain concept something born out of simple people's desire to have an explanation about who they are or is it just the fruit of a lower level understanding of real psych theory?
[–]Roxinos 49 points50 points51 points 1 year ago
They are the fruit of lower level understanding of real psych theory.
While generally the functions of the brain are lateralized to a given hemisphere, they are not localized to them. Generally, it can be said that linear reasoning is lateralized to the left hemisphere and creativity is lateralized to the right. However, this does not mean that either is solely dependent on the left or the right hemisphere.
Wikipedia
[–]GeorgeForemanGrillz 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
But there is strong evidence that certain functions have an affinity to a specific side.
[–]Roxinos 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Which is what I said. "Generally, it can be said that linear reasoning is lateralized to the left hemisphere and creativity is lateralized to the right."
[–]Bushelz 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
No doubt about it, localization is dependent on the idea that specific parts of the brain perform certain functions, but those functions are useless if they can't communicate and simultaneously process information with other parts of the brain.
[–]mayonnnnaise 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I think it's probably built on outdated erroneous teachings that are somehow related to people at a young age (for me, it was third grade) and somehow retain cultural relevance. Perhaps at a time there was truth. I expect at some point in time that there were a disproportionate amount of famed left-handed artists.
[–]RochelleH 55 points56 points57 points 1 year ago
You should be more worried about how you're going to get a job when you finish uni.
[–]HyperspaceHero 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
As a psych major who's too far into my courses to change majors, I can tell you that I am plenty worried.
[–]thepringlesguy 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
As a psych major who just went along and finished his courses, I just gave up and found a job in a different field.
[–]kingoftown 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
...and what a change it was! Your chips are delicious good sir.
[–]RochelleH 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Well that turned out quite brilliantly.
[–]SirChasm 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Always found this kind of funny in a sad way. Mental illnesses are so common, yet due to the stigma associated with them, the people to treat them aren't in demand at all. Easier just to shove people into prisons. That'll sort em out.
[–]Bushelz 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
There's a broad range of jobs a psych major can get. Most of all advertising these days is based off of psychological theories.
All the best jobs require a PhD though.
Of course, if you're going for a PhD in psychology, generally at that point you're not in it for the money.
[–]internetsuperstar 86 points87 points88 points 1 year ago
Wait it's not?
[–]DoctorFaustus 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I'm a neuroscientist, wondering why a psychology undergrad should think he/she qualifies as an expert in my field. (Though you're right that it is an oversimplification, I think the whole field of social psychology is a bigger problem for you guys if you're worried about looking like pseudoscience).
[–]plethomacademia 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Social psychology is an exercise in abusing regression methods that the researcher doesn't understand in order to boil down complicated phenomena into as few fuzzy adjectives as possible. Everything is an interaction of warmth and competence. I'm just glad most of them seem to be scared of the fMRI and EEG machines, that data is full of correlations they could abuse.
[–]narfman287 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
Mercedes Benz Logo Removed in case anyone else thought this looked cool and wanted it for a background :)
[–]legatic 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I know this would be more complicated, but any chance you could remove the detailed text (under "Left" and "Right"), or just remove the text all together?
This version looks great though, thanks!
[–]narfman287 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Here ya go!, not my best, but the frackin graph paper wasn't even which made it annoying.
Thank you. Some positivity to what I thought was, otherwise a great image.
[–]ThatGuy20 55 points56 points57 points 1 year ago
too bad it's an urban legend
[–]Nixito 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
As drawn by a right-brained person.
[–]MrSparkle666 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago*
Hmm, I was thinking the opposite. According to the left brain-right brain view that the artwork subscribes to, wouldn't the left brain be responsible for dividing something definitively into two categories and then using textual language to describe their differences? That sounds much more like a left-brain approach to me.
I think you are just prejudiced against so called "right-brained people" for not being logical. Since you find fault in the artwork for it's promotion of pseudo-science and bad psychology, you automatically assume that it must be due to a lack of logical understanding and therefor could only be a product of a "right brained person". However, that's just your own prejudice. By the common pop-psychology definition, a so-called "left brained person" could still be ignorant and use flawed logic. Ignorance and bad science have nothing to do with being right or left brained. What makes someone "left-brained" is that they would take the approach of dividing things up into categories and attempt to explain them as separate parts in the first place, regardless of whether or not they do so with any kind of scientific knowledge or accuracy.
[–]somethingrelevant 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I think his point was that the image goes "left-brained people are boring fucks and right-brained people are the best thing since sliced bread had kids."
[–]otterfish 108 points109 points110 points 1 year ago
Yeah we get it, people who like science have no soul and people who like art make no sense. Go bug someone else.
[–]WTS_BRIDGE 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago
Ah, and people on the internet are brusque, offensive, and have little to add to the discussion?
[–]otterfish 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
But someone on the Internet is wrong!
[–]WTS_BRIDGE 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I wish I could truthfully say that I have not typed that exact phrase. Well played, Randall. Well played.
[–]internetsuperstar 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
The way you describe yourself so succinctly. It is a gift!
[–]Admiral_Cuddles 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
FUCK this left-brain right-brain bullshit.
[–]severus66 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago*
Interesting concept but as anyone who's studied the brain knows is completely false.
Almost every major function, even language, has active areas in both sides of the brain. Let's also not forget the importance of both hemispheres communicating through the corpus callosum - neither hemisphere is that effective by itself.
I will also nitpick that the right side of the brain controls much of what you know as spatial intelligence, the orientation of objects, etc. So why is the chessboard on the left side?!
The idea that the left is "book smart" or "intelligent" and the right "creative" is a bit laughable. The right hemisphere is involved with so many amazing intellectual abilities, that it's a bit of a joke. I also think "right brain dominance" or whatever has exactly the same credibility as horoscopes.
[–]thump3r 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
My left brain wants to punch the OP for putting right brain on the left side of the title, but my right brain thinks it's not worth it.
[–]ebbv 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I'm so glad to wake up to find a fucking Mercedes-Benz advertisement at #2 on the front page of reddit. God dammit fucking social media marketers have got this shit down to a science.
[–]wadcann 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago*
I'm sure that someone sat down and vetted the concepts that would appear in the ad, but it is kind of interesting what is chosen to show up here.
First, all of the concepts on the right-brain side are sexual to one extent or another. There's a woman's painted lips with a finger touching them. A woman's head arching way, way back with her eyes shut. There's a bull, not an uncommon symbol of masculine sexuality. There's a flower with just the pollen showing up -- the sex organs of a plant. There is a couple dancing. There is a martini (and I'm stretching a bit here, but I think of partying).
The left brain shows the outer coating of the brain, which is where our higher-order thought resides...but also, that is obviously present on both halves of our brain. The dominant theme is chess; I know that chess is associated with intelligence and higher-order thought, but that always seemed a bit odd to me. A good human chess player internalizes the board patterns and deals with a large portion of the work like one of us might deal with images, not by thinking through everything using concrete ideas. The rest appears to be architecture or maybe engineering -- modern, glass-plated skyscrapers, and graph paper. Also, there's very little color; color certainly conveys information, though I guess maybe because we deal with it at a primitive level in our heads, it's easier for it to have emotional content.
I guess that these themes are effective in getting across concepts people associate with each other, but that really just isn't quite how I would have tried breaking things down. It seems almost like one could simplify it to "sex and chess".
[–]redditor3000 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Did anyone read them in different voices?
[–]acquiesce 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Like voices from fight club?
[–]fyrebawlz 31 points32 points33 points 1 year ago
The whole "Oh I can't think critically so I'm creative" is such a load of bullshit. I guess it took zero creativity to make everything from the transistor radio to the iphone.
[–]WTS_BRIDGE 57 points58 points59 points 1 year ago*
I wish it weren't a Mercedes ad.
[–]theirisnetwork 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
I'm studying Art Direction now, and let me just say that it's stuff like this that irks me. Contrary to what you believe, advertisements are not going anywhere, unless you want magazines and newspapers to never get published or pay $300 a month for basic cable because you can't stand two minutes worth of commercials.
Most Art Directors and Copywriters accept that ads will exist, and instead of trying to just make mundane work try to turn something you have to see into something visually impactful and thought provoking.
[–]lobut 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Agreed. One of my favourite ones is the stork ad from Monster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNc7GzRSqM
[–]Explosion2 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
wow, that's awesome.
[–]locklin 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago*
If you can make an advertisement that is visually impactful and thought provoking with relation to the product you are trying to sell, you can color me impressed.
Nothing about that image makes me think about "Mercedes"(or cars, for that matter), except for that ugly little out of place logo in the corner(which quite frankly ruins the entire piece).
That is why I personally dislike advertising of this kind.
[–]MrSparkle666 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
When I see an ad that stands as a creative piece of art or film, or music on it's own with only a small reminder that it is an ad from so and so company, I don't mind at all. I think of those companies as acting as modern day patrons for creative works that wouldn't otherwise ever have the funding to be created. I think it's actual a cool trend, and I try to support those companies who are willing to pay for ads like that to get made.
[–]realog173 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
I personally think Mercedes has some of the most tasteful and relevant ads in the vehicle sales industry. Not quite like the "BUY THREE CAMRYS FOR 50 BUX NOW!!!" ads that have become so commonplace.
[–]WTS_BRIDGE 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Truth, but its still advertising. I guess I find advertisements which only obliquely mention their product while attempting to maintain some sort of artistic standard intellectually offensive, since they aren't presenting the merits of the product, they're presenting a cool painting with a brand name on it.
If you want merits, get reviews. If you want sales, appeal to emotion. Successful advertisement is more about how people can dress themselves in your product and what other people will think of them than anything remotely factual. If you keep letting yourself get offended by advertisements and the way of the world your life will be more miserable than it could.
[–]narfman287 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
That better?
[–]maciakl 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Oh hey, cool picture...
[notices the Mercedes logo]
ಠ_ಠ
[–]parsnipzilla 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Brain goes right, Brain goes left.
Never a miscommunication.
Is the right brain described as the brain owner's right side, or the person describing said brain the right brain?
Because the ad has the right brain on the right hand side of the page, where the person's brain it would be is the left side.
[–]cwestn 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
must...buy...mercedes...
[–]allenap 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
That is just a shiny infographic-like advert, based on a fallacy, and intended to sell cars. The picture is not especially eye-catching and the text is banal. Am I missing something?
[–]Raz31337 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
and it's a fucking commercial. fuck.
Fuck!
I feel so much better.
[–]T_Jefferson 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Nice try, Mercedes Benz.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's like a sitcom!
I love you both.
[–]thebestgod 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I thought to myself "Hey this is pretty good" and then saw the Mercedes sign and realized they probably paid around twenty-thousand dollars to have this done.
[–]Bandit1379 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That ugly Mercedes logo really ruins it.
[–]FappingFury 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Well this a beautiful piece, who made this fine pi-... Mercedes...?
[–]jabbaj7 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
HELLO NEW WALLPAPER!!!
Bullshit, everyone uses their left brain the most, it is always dominant
[–]catspwn 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
What is Mercedes-Benz doing in my right brain?
[–]regularuser 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Lousy commercial, Mercedes.
Edit: Mercedes is for old pricks.
[–]omepiet 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
And still neither my left or right brain will ever buy a Merc.
[–]mmmicahhh 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Left Brain, Right Brain
I was hoping for this.
[–]doipeste 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
i needed to add context, for those struck by the artwork, as myself
the ad is part of a series for mercedes, found more here
[–]richworks 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
My left part of the brain has nothing right in it.... My right part of the brain has nothing left in it....
[–]THIR13EN 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
So much negativity. I didn't even expect this kind of reaction when I clicked on the comments... come on, people. Let's concentrate on the artwork and shut the fuck up about it being an ad. So what.
[–]phc_me 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I feel a lot of people commenting may be looking at this in the wrong way. I viewed this and my first reaction was this is a beautiful piece of art. I didn't even notice the mercedes logo until just before I closed it. Seems to me to represent the duality of us all. I wonder...was this art created by an advertising company, or was it purchased from someone with a little insight into how he/she was feeling when created. As complicated a piece as this is it leads me to think the latter. Makes me want to get this as a tattoo. I think it'd be a beautiful addition and have some meaning to me. Ah, the beauty of art. It can be hated on and loved all at once........
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