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[–]dossier 148 points149 points ago

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then the giant brain went back to his own world for no raisin

[–]curbserver278 42 points43 points ago

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The big brain am winning again. I am the greetest!

[–]dossier 7 points8 points ago

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and it's all thanks to the books at my local library

[–]GracefulxArcher 3 points4 points ago

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Wow, when I go back to my own world, I always expect at least a single handful of raisins!

[–]cybersocial 4 points5 points ago

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wine in the world do you expect that?

[–]madman485 4 points5 points ago

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Because he is a man of grape expectations.

[–]hyperbad 1 point2 points ago

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Grape, you beat me to it b

[–]Dr_Chernobyl 252 points253 points ago*

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Aerosmith is the key to freeing the mind

And they said I was Crazy!

[–]noseemesfw 67 points68 points ago

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Damnit, you beat me to the Aerosmith joke.

"Religion is preventing us from attaining the state of Complete Aerosmith."

[–]ArnoldBraunschweiger 3 points4 points ago

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Looks to me like the Appalachian Trail... Yeah, forget religion, hike the AT!

[–]pepperpots 3 points4 points ago

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my thoughts exactly.

[–]elementalrain 6 points7 points ago

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Sweeeeeeet devoooooo tion

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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congratulations sir, you deserve a hundred blowjobs. UPVOTE THIS MAN!

[–]elementalrain 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks, but I'm a girl :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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oh... well... one hundred men will go down on you!

[–]popemeatwad 9 points10 points ago

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All praise great the great Tyler-Perry! Oh wait... hold on... it already sounds like crap.

[–]Chubby_Rhino 4 points5 points ago

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His big lips speak the truth!

[–]willienelsonmandela 2 points3 points ago

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RACIST!

[–]popemeatwad 2 points3 points ago

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Tyler-Perry Those are big lips!

Proof you are the true racist : Mr. Tyler Perry

[–]willienelsonmandela 5 points6 points ago

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Tyler Perry sucks so bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Steven Tyler or Joe Perry?

[–]tarantulus 3 points4 points ago

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Joe Tyler and Steven Perry

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Tyler Perry?

[–]JonRivers 10 points11 points ago

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No, I think it's "adultery."

[–]wastelander 4 points5 points ago

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I'm pretty sure it stands for "Anti-Christ"

[–]Skibum04 5 points6 points ago

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Sex before marriage can be an indication that you are over religion. It can also just be an indication that you are horny.

[–]wanna_dance 3 points4 points ago

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Sorry... what does sex have to do with marriage?

[–]ricehq 8 points9 points ago

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What does sex have to do with religion?

[–]Burger_King 2 points3 points ago

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I have a boner. Praise jesus!

[–]ricehq 0 points1 point ago

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It would truly be a miracle. Raised from the dead. Praise teh Jeebus.

[–]Unidan 2 points3 points ago

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Nah, I just got jaded. I'm sorry. I'm cryin'.

I'll be in the attic. Playing with my toys.

[–]PsychicToaster 2 points3 points ago

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I came here expecting an Aerosmith reference. I will not leave disappointed.

[–]CoachJankySpanky 1 point2 points ago

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nah bro, adderall

[–]thegraymaninthmiddle 1 point2 points ago

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You beat me, too! I was gonna go with " AREOSMITH WAS MY SAVIOR! HALLELUJAH!"

[–]Capissen38 1 point2 points ago

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And they said I was Crazy!

Crazy for you baby!

[–]daedone 0 points1 point ago

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We must start a revolution!.....Revolution X

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points ago

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Sometimes the brain isn't trying to get free.

[–]SweetNeo85 44 points45 points ago

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I've never seen one brain that had all three chains on it before...

[–]Holly_Tyler 5 points6 points ago

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Group think = one big brain.

[–]richf2001 10 points11 points ago

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If you have seen one, you have seen them all.

[–]VVVvvvWWW 4 points5 points ago

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Maybe a better representation would be 3 chained brains, each with a different religious symbol. Then the A flying around of course.

[–]fullofid 6 points7 points ago

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For a second I thought "Athiests have no brains?"

[–]vhold 2 points3 points ago

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I think a bigger problem is that the slippery brain can probably get out of that restraint pretty easy without unlocking that padlock. Besides, why did the religions even bother making a key in the first place? Seems like those religions planned for this, all along...

[–]analord 1 point2 points ago

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I'm pretty sure the brain represents humanity.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points ago

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That brain has no mechanism by which to generate lift. In fact, without a working circulatory system, it would be dead in seconds from the complete lack of blood. Exposure to the air and that metal ring, which would be crushing and destroying neurons btw, would certainly cause infections and serious contamination from airborne particles. On top of all of this, the lack of CSF prevents the neurons from utilizing neurotransmitters to communicate, rendering the brain utterly worthless.

This picture is a lie.

[–]Capercaillie 12 points13 points ago

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Also, the brain seems to be sweating petroleum. As a biologist, I know this to be wrong.

[–]khast 2 points3 points ago

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Reason has no place in art.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

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Then art should be one of those anchors.

[–]futilitarian 8 points9 points ago

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Deep.

[–]Condawg 5 points6 points ago

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Shit just got so meta.

[–]EH1987 0 points1 point ago

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Art is an expression of feelings, it in itself makes no claims about anything unless specifically made to do so.

[–]Generation_Why 1 point2 points ago

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Or in religion.

[–]descartesb4thehorse 0 points1 point ago

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Do you object to the study of art theory, then?

[–]khast 1 point2 points ago

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It's just like Music theory. You can always learn about art or music. But even those who have not learned the "theory" can still produce music and art.

What you consider as a "theory" is more or less just an advanced "appreciation" class, which you learn more about how it works from the inside out.

[–]descartesb4thehorse 3 points4 points ago

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In both my music theory and literary theory classes, part of "learn[ing] more about how it works from the inside out" involved critical analysis of the underlying structures of musical and literary works. Critical analysis requires the application of reason.

I'm not a visual artist, so it may be that visual art theory is a completely different can of worms, but I know that my study of music theory has greatly influenced my music and my study of literary theory has greatly influenced my writing. Reason has a place in my (non-visual) artistic expression; I would be very surprised to discover that it doesn't have a place in any visual artist's artistic expression.

This is not to say that it's necessary, just that it has a place.

[–]trucekill 0 points1 point ago

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I really enjoyed learning two and three point perspective, but that was in an engineering graphics course.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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cripple fight

[–]BarcodeNinja 0 points1 point ago

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at least it's realistic looking

[–]GracefulxArcher 74 points75 points ago

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Anarchy will set you free!

[–]interrobangor 9 points10 points ago

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Anarchism has a strong tradition of atheism. Have you ever read Emma Goldman's 1916 essay, The Philosophy of Atheism? There is a whole cannon of this stuff.

[–]Ws_Ws_EVERYWHERE 2 points3 points ago

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cannon

Really?

[–]fross 1 point2 points ago

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Ironically appropriate misspelling of canon.

[–]ElDiablo666 17 points18 points ago

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Indeed, it is the only philosophy that can.

[–]noseeme 4 points5 points ago

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Is this sarcastic? You're making me feel autistic.

[–]ElDiablo666 9 points10 points ago

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No, it is not sarcasm. Anarchism is the only philosophy of organization that truly provides freedom; everything else falls short.

[–]yul_brynner 1 point2 points ago

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While Somalia practices anarchic-capitalism, nobody on this globe really has true anarchism.

Is Somalia half a step closer to freedom than everyone else?

Do you care to elaborate why you think it would be a good idea?

[–]TheoBeast 3 points4 points ago

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He said it was the only PHILOSOPHY. In truth, there is only as much freedom as people allow each other.

[–]the8thbit 2 points3 points ago

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While Somalia practices anarchic-capitalism, nobody on this globe really has true anarchism.

I wouldn't consider any capitalism to be anarchic in nature.

Is Somalia half a step closer to freedom than everyone else?

No. I would consider Freetown Christiana and parts of Argentina to be, though.

[–]johdan 2 points3 points ago

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christiana. word.

[–]LukeyLuke 1 point2 points ago

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[–]yul_brynner 0 points1 point ago

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No, I was talking about whole countries and governments. Not some pocket community here and there.

Do you think that Westboro Baptist community represents the whole of the state of Kansas?

Anyway, thanks for the read.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Sorry, I don't want freedom. People are evil and I have losable things. Restriction of freedom is good.

[–]Generation_Why 13 points14 points ago

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Anarchy rules!

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[–]Generation_Why 3 points4 points ago

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Why, thank you.

[–]ElDiablo666 4 points5 points ago

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Anarchism favors rules, not laws. A common misunderstanding.

[–]noseeme 1 point2 points ago

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What flavor of anarchy are you talking about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Lemon Zest

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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It will.

Read Murray Rothbard's essay, "Anatomy of the State". It'll change the way you view the world.

[–]SirVanderhoot 4 points5 points ago

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notsureifserious.jpg

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Very serious.

There are many great economists who disagree with the necessity of government.

[–]Logged_In_Learning 0 points1 point ago

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Couldn't trouble yourself to go find a link? Hard to do on mobile and now I hafta comment to remember. Looking forward to reading it though.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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The artist should definitely continue his practice of including his middle name. Wouldn't want to get mistaken for this guy

[–]kp1a268 21 points22 points ago

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That guy's white?

[–]frozenfire 2 points3 points ago

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His facial structure is actually fairly indicative of him being white. He's probably just very, very tanned.

[–]SweetNeo85 5 points6 points ago

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And Obama's "black". Makes you think about just how neanderthalic our nomenclature actually is.

[–]frozenfire 5 points6 points ago

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Well, I think it's mostly just our colloquialisms that need updating. Caucasian and African are mostly to do with facial structure and such, rather than skin colour.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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aHahahaha, I didn't even notice that. Have an upvote.

[–]migvelio 0 points1 point ago

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That's his second last name. In spanish, people has two regular names and two last names. I.e: John Scott Thompson Moore.

[–]nn24 4 points5 points ago

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This makes me sad.

[–]insaneHoshi 6 points7 points ago

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Insnt that the symbol for anarchy?

[–]intheZenArcade 2 points3 points ago

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[–]noseemesfw 2 points3 points ago

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I don't see what utopian anarchy has to do with this.

[–]Huzah 2 points3 points ago

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Adultery? I gotta get on this...

[–]killdefenses 2 points3 points ago

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i thought this was most definitely an anarchist piece when i first looked.

[–]Xeeke 2 points3 points ago

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Ahh, adultery. The solution for every problem.

[–]XSeveredX 2 points3 points ago

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The irony of the angel wings lol

[–]Astranagun 0 points1 point ago

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inmagine they are pidgeon wings.

[–]planetmatt 0 points1 point ago

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You know angels don't exist right?

[–]drewsaysgoveg 0 points1 point ago

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You know wings came from birds, right?

[–]smapte 2 points3 points ago

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a scarlett letter A seems to be the key to freedom.

....adultery????

[–]skynet907 1 point2 points ago

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[–]smapte 0 points1 point ago

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I prefer my snooty, literary social commentary. :monocle:

[–]aristander 2 points3 points ago

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I don't get it, how can Aerosmith help free your mind? I mean, Dream On was a great song and all, but they totally lost me with their later stuff.

[–]skynet907 1 point2 points ago

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I am with you on that one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Anarchy will free your mind?

No, my dears, neither anarchy nor atheism will free your mind, but knowledge and critical thinking will.

[–]jimmyblevins 0 points1 point ago

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How sincerely have you developed your critical thinking?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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It is certainly a work in progress.

I know someone who grew up Mormon in Utah and is now an atheist. His atheism is a result of critical thinking. I also know someone who grew up in the DDR and is an atheist. His atheism is a result of how he was raised, not of critical thinking.

[–]Aegean 2 points3 points ago

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Yea right.

Dump religions and mankind will still be bound (cursed) by its own greed.

I hardly see how anarchy or aerosmith can help.

[–]drewsaysgoveg 2 points3 points ago

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I don't mean to be a troll, but that symbol is a circle a for anarchism, not atheism. Of course, many anarchists are atheists. I mean, a popular anarchist slogan is: No Gods, No Slaves, No Masters.

[–]ThirdBassist 14 points15 points ago*

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While it's very probably true that I have been more enlightened since becoming an Atheist, I've certainly also been happy a lot less and sad a lot more. While my mind has been better for the decision, my life has most definitely been worse because of it.

Generally speaking: I wish I could go back. Atheism has caused me no end of trauma and suffering.


Edit: Spelling

[–]BarcodeNinja 14 points15 points ago*

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It's ok, friend. All of us who were once raised with the comforts of a personal god go through this. It can be painful and traumatic, but once you really learn to accept your own mortality and the universe as it really is, you will feel freer and happier and brighter than you ever did while under the cloud of ignorance.

Keep your chin up!

edit Why are you downvoting ThirdBassist? He/she is speaking their mind.

[–]Capercaillie 8 points9 points ago

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Exactly. I'm so much happier as an atheist. Now when I do something good, I know I'm doing it because I'm a good person, not because Jebus wanted me to do it. When I do something bad, it's my fault, and I have nobody to blame but me. So I don't do bad things. Also, I get to sleep in on Sundays.

[–]DanCorb 1 point2 points ago

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And you don't need to feel guilty for being a human.

[–]ThirdBassist 2 points3 points ago

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Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope so, too : )

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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He's lying, your life will be a roller coaster of depression, and the general trend will be ever downward. With every victory against the overwhelming emptiness of reality, there will be a greater defeat by the inevitable march of reason through your brain. Eventually the nihilism will overtake you, and you'll pull up to a house around seven or eight. You'll yell to the cabby, "yo holmes, smell you later" and look at your kingdom. You're finally there, to settle in your throne of oblivion because life is a worthless endeavor and everything you care about has no meaning beyond the illusory thoughts in your pathetic mind.

[–]Linneonen 0 points1 point ago

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Feelings of this type aren't limited to atheists, it has to do with what type of faith it is. Ecclesiastes in the bible is closer to what you're expressing than the idea of a happy and cheerful afterlife as proclaimed in most churches, for example.

What I'm trying to say is - don't think this comes with the package of atheism as if cheerfulness comes with the package of faith.

[–]Hypersapien 6 points7 points ago

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Because of the realizations that atheism has led you to, or because of the people's reactions to your atheism?

[–]ThirdBassist 11 points12 points ago*

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Sort of both. But mostly the first.

Faith was an integral part of my self-identity and an integral part of the way others saw me. My family is comprised entirely of non-believers but they were generally accepting me despite the occasional ridicule or disappointment of my capital-F Faith while I had it. When I came to the conclusion that there was no God, I was at first stunned at how undramatic the decision was. No lighting from the Heavens. No laughter from below. I just felt very, very alone where before I'd never felt that way, not really. Say what you will about the imaginary friend of the dumb-fuck Republicans, my 'God' wasn't contorting me to kill people and - it turns out - was providing a very convenient excuse to find value in myself. When that was gone, I very quickly fell off the deep end.

Because I had already been the 'outsider' in my family - having expressed my faith to my highly-rationalistic parents was sort of like telling fundies that I was gay, and for a few years my father was ashamed, I think, until my mother talked him out of it - I knew that it was better to tell the people of my church quickly and honestly.

I told my friends in the church that I very much wanted to continue the friendship outside of faith. For the most part they were actually a lot more accepting than I thought they'd be. The few people who decided they'd no longer wanted to be my friends weren't actually that important to me anyway. I sat with the Lead Pastor who acknowledged that he grieved but accepted my decision and offered me the choice of either receiving a cheque equal to my last two months tithes or for the Church to give it to a charity of my choice; I don't know whether he meant that as a gesture of acceptance, practicality, or malice, but I still give him the benefit of the doubt. He still invites me to social events at his house, and it's not as weird as I thought it would be.

I've since adapted my Church time to family time, which was pretty easy since I would get myself to church while they slept in, so I told them that I needed support which they have generally been good for.

So, in my experience, the social transition was mostly smooth.

The two major points of my grief, near as I can tell anyway, is that despite the readiness of these both my family and my former church to accept me, I still feel like I don't fit. Whether it's my family (especially my father) or me I can't tell, but I still feel like I'm tainted in my own home - still the kid who was dumb enough to believe in fairytales so late. And again, I don't know whether it's my friends (from my former church) or me, but these friendships are gradually diminishing. This is probably normal of most people my age - moving from high school to university etc. - but whereas before I would know where to go to find a new social group (Church!), right now I have no idea how to connect so easily, efficiently, and smoothly. Making friends was simple in Church because you could always use (false, but agreed on) axioms to form a springboard for a great relationship. These really only had to start you off - in my experience, they weren't nearly as foundational as people seem to think they are so long as it was accepted that you generally believed the same things. I've met a few friends in social or academic clubs at College, but it hasn't been the same.

Moreover, I don't really know how to approach the dating scene. While I believe that everyone should do what they want, it's still important and makes to me to keep my virginity as a gift for my wife. And altho I would certainly never reject a potential girlfriend because she wasn't a virgin, I can't help but think that it's a romantic and wonderful thing to do. A lot of Church-goers understand this mindset even if they don't practice it, but very few of my peers seem to understand it. I get a lot more open ridicule than respect of any kind. It's not like I go around preaching it, it's just something I find romantic. But people call me faggot, Fundie, and other hurtful names just because of this value.

In other ways I find myself confused as well. I understand why the fundies are suspicious of drug use, drunkenness, sex out of wedlock and open sexual encounters, and other 'normal' college activities, but I can't tell which ways I'm still just a victim of those chains in this picture or whether I actually do believe that these things aren't always right even if it's me who thinks that and not "God" who says so.

The worst part has been establishing values, ways to self-express, self-esteem, and the anxiety that can come along with these things. If we accept that Christians (for example) believe that it's "God" providing the with values, expression, and worth, and we accept that there is no god, then it follows that the belief in god can (surely doesn't always) values, self-expression, and worth. This is the bit that is taken advantage of to crash airplanes into buildings, but it's also the bit that my pastors and friends would use to convince me that it was a good idea to do good things, many of which contributed to society. I go to the old soup kitchen on occasion, but find myself frustrated by the sermons that go on there (because I think they're lies), but I'm lonely at the secular soup kitchen, and I can't for the life of me convince my friends (either the Churchies, who if they're interested already go to the Churchy kitchen) or my secular friends who seem to think it's a waste of time. Maybe I'm selfish, but I've always thought it was a lot more fun to volunteer with friends than alone.

And the bit where I always thought that the God of the universe had my back... so long as I was compassionate and helpful and loving. That's a pretty fucking good feeling, and what begins as a solid reason to be compassionate and helpful and loving soon turns into the enjoyment of being compassionate and helpful and loving. As a Christian I was a lot more confident about what those words meant. I'm sure I got it wrong a lot, but even if I'm shoving gospel down peoples' throats (which isn't really what happens), it's pretty hard to give soup away for free without being somewhat compassionate about it on some level. I know that it's worth it because people who hate the idea of god still come for free soup, even the ones who could go to the non-preachy kitchen. And yet, I'm confused a lot about how to help...

When someone asks why I value virginity, for example, I felt righteous when I valued it because "God" supported me. Now I still think I'm right but people tell me that I'm judgemental just because I'm choosing to value it.

That's the biggest sting about the whole thing, I think. The part they should warn us about and don't... A lot of atheists seem to think that Christians are by-and-large unaware of the fact that they or other Christians are hypocritical assholes. But that's bullshit: the word 'sin' - which every Christian is quick to admit they are the 'worst' at being regardless of their authenticity - is the acknowledgement that all people are hypocritical assholes. Do some of the hypocritical assholes take themselves too seriously? Surely! But a lot don't. But I was sort of under the impression that the free mind that came with my acknowledgement that there is no god would come along with some sort of support group. Even the Christians have figured this out, after all, and they're morons. But there's nothing. I knew that the world was fucked before - I called that sin and brokenness - but I could blame the devil and know that God would clean it up and all I would have to do was be compassionate and loving and He would save me. I still think the world is fucked, but I don't have any reason to hope that it'll get better. I have a lot of respect for those atheists who find motivation in this to think that they have to do it under their own steam, but I haven't found that steam in me yet without a god to pin it to.

So, to answer your question as well as I can: my pain has been more circumspect that circumstantial.

Surely I blame this on having been religious in the first place - had their been no religion to steal my brain, then the consequences of that change would be non-existent. But I did believe, and it was beautiful, and the darkness and confusion that I've entered into might be more real and true, but they sucks, and no one warned me that it would.


Edits: Spelling/Grammar and to add the reasons I edited...

[–]Smallpaul 5 points6 points ago

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Thanks for the detailed answer. It helps people understand why fundies don't "just" accept the reality that there is no God. It is not always wonderful on the other side.

[–]ThirdBassist 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks for reading it all.

I find Andy Thompson gives a pretty remarkable report. Although I assume (probably incorrectly) he's explaining for the purpose of 'conversion', and I hear it as all the reasons to be gentle with believers.

If we believe that they are genetically predisposed and/or we believe that they are less capable mentally, doesn't it follow anyway?

[–]Smallpaul 0 points1 point ago

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It gets better.

[–]fross 1 point2 points ago

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You don't have to stop practicing the moral values that you agree with, just because you realised there is no god. That's the freedom of it, you get to choose what is important to you to be a good person, whether it's saving your virginity, helping those who need it or whatever, you embody the values you hold dear, and that's what makes you a good person. You do good things because you want to, not because you have to.

You're not alone, though. Now that there is no god in the way, you can have deeper, better relationships with people without all that burden, original sin and constant guilt getting in the way.

Flippant TL;DR: You're still a virgin, that's why you're so anxious. Go get laid.

[–]amgtfy 1 point2 points ago*

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All the good things you valued before... I don't think you really valued them because of the religion, but because you valued them yourself. You do not need to stop valuing them.

Perhaps you hid behind the gods authority to defend you choices in the past. Without the God on your side, it may be a more difficult to argue for you values, but it does not mean they are wrong.

For example people are romantic for a reason. All of us have had millions of grandparents that only made it through because of how strongly they felt for each other. The things you value have made the difference between life and death in the past.

So accept yourself and be proud of what you are.

World may not be perfect, but nothing stops us from making it better. To me it seems we are making progress.

Your point of view has huge difference. If you decide that everything sucks, it will probably suck.

If you decide to enjoy the ride, you will probably enjoy it.

[–]crayonleague 0 points1 point ago

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As per the social/dating issues: it's good that you at least recognize that your values are antiquated, but even though they were religious in origin you don't have to give them up. The virginity, drug/alcohol use, and so forth. If you value those values highly even without faith, you don't have to give them up until you want to, and if you never want to, that's not a problem neither. Thinking there must be something wrong with you or that you have to make all the big changes all at once is part of the problem.

The rest, I would not worry about. People have been breeding and forming friendships and relationships without Christianity for thousands of years. Obviously I don't know anything about your exact circumstances, but I would start by recommending finding atheist groups near where you live. I'm sure there are plenty of groups and communities like that out there, designed for the sole purpose of helping new "deconversions" like yourself. It's a big world, and you don't have to be alone.

As per the philosophical issues: I hear a lot of people who have lost their faith like yourself wishing they could have it back, and this is really something that I, as someone who has never been religious ever, just cannot understand at all. Obviously I can't speak for you, but I think the problem is, like anyone with an addiction, you only see the positive effects while ignoring the drawbacks. Through whatever willful ignorance you've managed to shut out the ghastly propositions of Christianity, and this is not just. Life and existence and the world is better without that poisonous doctrine, without that belief system that you yourself have discovered to be false and immoral.

I think Hitchens sums it up best here why it's better not to believe in Christianity, or any monotheism for that matter.

So the first step is realizing just how sinister those beliefs were. You already know they're wrong, it's just one small step from that to critically examining them and seeing that, not only can they not be believed, but that they shouldn't be believed. The second step is coming into your own philosophy and forming your own beliefs. A lot of young atheists I find, gripped in their deconversion rage, merely swap out one dogma for another without thinking about it, without the discipline required to attain that knowledge, and this is wrong. Your beliefs are your own and only you can form them, don't fall into the trap of easily accepting another doctrine or worse, going back to your old one, simply because you miss the solace of it.

Again I can't decide your beliefs for you. You might decide deism, or pantheism, or some kind of atheistic buddhism, is best for you. But whatever you choose to believe, you need to form those beliefs for yourself, you need to arrive at those conclusions of your own volition, simply accepting one doctrine just so you don't have to feel bad will lead you back to this problem again. So my advice is to read up on all of it. I personally recommend Sagan and Harris. Life doesn't have to be worse just because God doesn't have your back anymore. The world is more beautiful than that. Life is so wondrous that you don't need divine permission to enjoy it. You don't have to be miserable.

[–]LiveOnSteak 4 points5 points ago

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This is an important question to ask. If it's the former, yeah you might be better off going back. Ignorance is bliss and all that. But if it's the latter, you shouldn't let others affect you that much, especially when they're in the wrong.

I have a lot more worries than I did back when I was devoutly religious, mostly due to simple growing up. I have more responsibilities than when I was younger, and making care-free decisions has a lot more implications than it used to.

But I would never go back. Occasionally I wish there was some magic fairy who would ensure my life works out well, but then I remember all the unanswered prayers, all the things that I so desperately wanted and never got. I realize now of course that I never got what I wanted because I never did anything to get them. Now at least I know I have to fix it.

Good things do not come to those who wait. Those that work get to the good things.

[–]ThirdBassist 1 point2 points ago

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One thing in particular you said that I failed to acknowledge in my answer to the question is that another big reason that life has been so much harder is simply because I'm older now and have more responsibilities with fewer discretionary resources to meet those responsibilities.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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It's classic reddit that intelligent, soulful, honest posts like this are at the middle/bottom of the page, and the top half is just jokes and one lined statements.

Ironic quote time: He who gains knowledge gains sorrow. Ecclesiastes 1:18

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[–]ThirdBassist 2 points3 points ago

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No. If those were your circumstances I can understand why you'd be happy for your freedom. But they weren't my circumstances, and I find the freedom confusing and strange.

[–]Black_Apalachi 0 points1 point ago

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Were you like me: brought up very Catholic, going to church every week, yet was never really restricted in terms of music/movies/games etc?

My life always seemed pretty contradictory. Now it just seems like a two-decade old lie.

[–]john2kxx 1 point2 points ago

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No one said taking the red pill would be easy.

[–]AsdrubaelVect 0 points1 point ago

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Might we have a few examples of this "trauma"?

[–]ThirdBassist 4 points5 points ago

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[–]tdaset 0 points1 point ago

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There's more to life than happiness.

[–]Black_Apalachi 0 points1 point ago

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Man, I hear that. When I woke up to Atheism, I also woke up to the world as it really is. I do kind of miss being wrapped up in my snugly little religious cocoon.

[–]fross 0 points1 point ago

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You're giving up a utopian vision once you realised it was false. The happiness you felt before wasn't real, because it was based on lies. So of course there is a bit of a drop after that.

You need to develop a new wonder at how awesome life, the world and the universe are. And how people can be good to each other just because, not because they're forced to. Live life.

[–]geodebug 6 points7 points ago

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Why atheist have no brain?

[–]generalchaoz 4 points5 points ago

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[–]xiphivs 3 points4 points ago

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This is great if we understand it as a first step. But atheism itself doesn't free us from the constraints of ideology, language, race, gender roles, class, economic systems and other human constructs that help to determine our actions on a day-to-day basis. Rather than an end in and of itself that effects sudden liberation as the image suggests, I'd rather see atheism cast as a beginning.

[–]TheFrankTrain 1 point2 points ago

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I came here to say this, but less articulately.

[–]omitted 1 point2 points ago

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the anchors need weapons to shoot at the wings.

[–]jimmyblevins 1 point2 points ago

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This was the most uproarious comment yet!

[–]nisha00 1 point2 points ago

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They have the key, they will have to do the unlocking by themselves.

[–]FromTheMiddle 1 point2 points ago

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It's missing the scientologist spacecraft with a tractor beam holding down brain.

[–]oxobfe 1 point2 points ago

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Could someone please 'shop a FSM instead of Aerosmith?

[–]cybersocial 1 point2 points ago

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a brain that's wound up by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism at the same time? This brain is bi-curious.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Try tri!

[–]Helen_A_Handbasket 1 point2 points ago

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What are we going to do tonight, Brain?

[–]WhatsInTheName 1 point2 points ago

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Having just read the scarlet letter, all I can get from this is that adultery frees the mind

[–]drew3000 1 point2 points ago

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Go A-Team, go!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Yay, atheists, saviors of the entire freaking world. Get over yourselves.

[–]entr 1 point2 points ago

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Circlejerks.

[–]erythroblast 4 points5 points ago

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Not realy subtle.

[–]Oxidosis 22 points23 points ago

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Not realy sentence.

[–]ElDiablo666 1 point2 points ago

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But think of how powerful the point is.

[–]thatsmyaibo 3 points4 points ago

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I'm an Atheist myself but images like this really just cast us in a bad light. I don't hate all Christians or Jews. I respect their beliefs as I would expect them to respect mine.

One of my best friends is a pretty hardcore Christian but she isn't preachy and she doesn't hurt anyone. In fact she's one of the nicest people I know.

To say Atheism would "free" people's minds from other religions is extremely general.

[–]lanbanger 3 points4 points ago

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The image doesn't criticise individual Christians or Jews, it says that organised religion limits the human mind, and that (presumably) atheism has the power to set it free. Whether you agree with that or not is an entirely different question.

[–]DanCorb 1 point2 points ago

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Hating Christianity does not equal hating Christians. We hate the ideology, not the followers.

[–]planetmatt 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think it makes Atheists look bad. All it is saying is that religion, any religion means not wanting to know the truth. Casting religion aside is the key that will unlock your mind to thinking for yourself and being free.

As an Atheists, I respect everyone's rights to believe in what they like but they don't have a right not be criticised or respected if I think they're stupid.

[–]DeFex 2 points3 points ago

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Needs a donkey, an elephant and a dollar sign.

[–]FORVICTORY 1 point2 points ago

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Too bad that atheism one has to spend his whole day trying to open the religious brain's lock, but never will because keys don't fit into that lock. But for some reason, he keeps trying to jam the key into the lock.

[–]octave1 1 point2 points ago

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[–]faffo 0 points1 point ago

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this is the bullshit i hate from atheists, you guys think religion is holding people back and you are better than everyone, stupid people will be stupid no matter what their beliefs, im not religious but im not an atheist but i hate both

[–]ineedbeta -2 points-1 points ago

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It's not religion that holds people down, it's the dogmatic indoctrination of irrelevant values and customs, encouraging individuals to ignore reasonable self-interest for the good of some intangible whole, that is the problem.

I think the future is going to surprise a lot of atheists who believe that the current secular bandwagon isn't being powered by the same mechanics.

To me, this picture is very sad. It shows how the atheism loosens the bonds of those enslaved by their ignorance, but who will save the atheists from their own self-imposed bonds when the atheist believes himself to be flying free?

[–]ElBrad 5 points6 points ago

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I hate to be the realistic wet blanket on your rant, but what bonds does an atheist have?

[–]chaos_syndicate 5 points6 points ago

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it's the dogmatic indoctrination of irrelevant values and customs, encouraging individuals to ignore reasonable self-interest for the good of some intangible whole, that is the problem.

How is this not religion?

[–]flamingspinach_ 4 points5 points ago

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More importantly, it includes lots of other stuff that is not religion. Even if everyone in the world were atheist, that wouldn't make everyone in the world a rational thinker. Atheists are just people who don't happen to believe in any god, nothing more "noble" than that.

[–]planetmatt 0 points1 point ago

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Not really. The act of faith itself means that the person is not using their logical mind to search for the truth and blindly accepts what their religion teaches them.

[–]ineedbeta 0 points1 point ago

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You know, faith does exist outside the context of religion. For me, it happens when science and study bring me to a point where I'm forced to admit that I have no real idea of whats happening beyond the words in front of me but I still have to assume it's validity. Scientific theory could be given as an example of the widely accepted use of faith. Granted, empirical evidence provides overwhelming support for the validity and, thusly, use of said theories, a mindful individual is always keenly aware that everything that builds off of such theories is just a figurative house of cards.

Faith is an inherent part of being educated, for part of being educated is acknowledging the impossibility of knowing everything, is always being mindful of the possibility you might be wrong. Every ladder of reason has a few rungs that are composed solely of faith.

Faith itself is not a quality to be regarded so scornfully. However, I'll agree that it's pretty disagreeable to use faith to describe anything that resides within the realm of logical analysis.

The act faith itself means that the person is not using their logical mind to search for the truth and blindly accepts what their religion teaches them.

I think what you're referring to can be more accurately described as ignorance, perhaps even willful ignorance. I believe this to be a remnant of a time when religion was more widely used to explain that which we could not find explanation for. Of course, science has since provided answers, but it's more common for those answers to further applications of faith rather than to provide satisfactory replacement.

[–]planetmatt 0 points1 point ago

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Ok I was not referring to faith itself but religious faith which by its nature chooses to be ignorant.

[–]wockyman 0 points1 point ago

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This would be more accurate if there were a billion more chains tying the brain down... and if the brain itself was also made of chains.

[–]LostUser_2600 0 points1 point ago

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Is there a high res version someplace?

[–]avalokitesvara 0 points1 point ago

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beautiful.

[–]thesorrow312 0 points1 point ago

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Damn, I want to make this my profile picture.

[–]BigDawgWTF 0 points1 point ago

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Brain can't fly!

[–]AerialAmphibian 0 points1 point ago

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One day atheism found me

Broke those chains that bound me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatorN4P9aA#t=1m7s

[–]atrophie 0 points1 point ago

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For hundreds of years the Islamic world was the centre of knowledge. What happened?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly nothing happened.

[–]interrobangor 0 points1 point ago

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This makes a lot of sense to someone like myself who has been both an anarchist and an atheist for a decade.

However it is clear from most of the comments above that it doesn't mean much of anything to most of the folks here. Most folks don't recognize the (A) symbol for what it is.

[–]jchrome 0 points1 point ago

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Dude looks like a lady!

[–]sarcastic_jerk 0 points1 point ago

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I hate to say this, but... this.

[–]pathetichumans 0 points1 point ago

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pure awsome.

[–]pianobadger 0 points1 point ago

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That hardly seems fair. I'm a reform Jew, and my religion was one of the reasons I was brought up to be skeptical and scientific minded.

[–]biggreddy 0 points1 point ago

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The wisest of men know that they know nothing at all. End of story.

[–]theflash52 0 points1 point ago

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anarchy both the chains and the key are meaningless

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It's funny that atheism isn't attached to the brain whatsoever.

[–]agnt007 0 points1 point ago

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Even the fools believe they are true, what makes you so sure? I don't disagree with what you have to say, just want to make you think about what you have said.

[–]knowless 0 points1 point ago

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everyone supporting this thread has earned a red triangle, redeem it at your local state superstore for life imprisonment.

[–]moonflower 0 points1 point ago

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I have seen similar symbolism used where some kind of spiritual belief system is the key to freedom from chains of the mind

[–]jecrois 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Ruben42792[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Wow. I did not expect this great of a response. I figured this would be a failing repost. Thank you everyone for all of the upvotes! :}

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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A picture saying Atheism is right and other Religions are wrong...

WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE?!?

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There are so few jews, shouldn't that be replaced with hindu iconography instead?

[–]Teach2622 0 points1 point ago

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This is such a simple way of looking at it.

[–]TransientDog 0 points1 point ago

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That's why they call it Anarkey

[–]leclairedelune 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Ws_Ws_EVERYWHERE 0 points1 point ago*

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The sad thing here is I see far much more masturbatory atheist material here than I do masturbatory and non-masturbatory religious material everywhere else combined.

I think you guys might just be faggots- bigger faggots than the religious crazies at that.

[–]beta1440 0 points1 point ago

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This picture is awesome

[–]nestea69 0 points1 point ago

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so basically its letting the mind do whatever it wants with no boundaries/remorse/laws? Great ideea