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[–]idontusejelly 515 points516 points ago

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In his defense, the bible is pretty okay with slavery.

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points ago

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I'm not a big fan of Patty but I'm at this moment skeptical about this slave labor diamond mine. I'll just leave my comment here to be shredded along with my skepticism if necessary.

[–]Nerull 232 points233 points ago

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The mines are real, though I'm unsure of the slave labor claims.

In 1999 the Virginia Office of Consumer Affairs called for criminal persecution of Robertson after it was revealed he was asking for donations to move refugees from Rwanda, and actually using the money to fly diamond mining equipment for his company, African Development Corporation.

After Robertson made a $35,000 donation to the Attorney General's (Mark Earley) election campaign, the investigation was dropped.

[–]Kijad 223 points224 points ago

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Yeah but slaves are temporary, and diamonds... are forever.

(I'M SORRY I HAD TO)

[–]zyrog 7 points8 points ago

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Kill a mule, buy another

Kill a slave, hire another

[–]thieving_magpie 14 points15 points ago

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Switch 'buy' with 'hire'

[–]ForgettableUsername 3 points4 points ago

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Hire a mule?

[–]nonsensepoem 8 points9 points ago

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"Hire" is the British equivalent of "rent."

[–]samgrizzy 40 points41 points ago

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Really? Only $35,000? Oh, what money does to people.

[–]sesse 35 points36 points ago

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I know! You can't even buy a decent car with that money. If you are investigating a billionaire, you might as well up your sell-out price!

[–]PathogensQuest 45 points46 points ago

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If you can't find a decent car for $35,000, you're doing it wrong.

[–]cmykify 21 points22 points ago

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Or, you live in a country like Norway.

Example of small, cheap Toyota.

[–]LieutenantClone 8 points9 points ago

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No one said it had to be new...

[–]bdavbdav 10 points11 points ago

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Someone has to buy the new cars.

[–]shiftpgdn 1 point2 points ago

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And that's why the goyim was invented!

[–]yorugua 1 point2 points ago

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Maybe politicians are more expensive in Norway too.

[–]PathogensQuest 0 points1 point ago

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I'm American. I assume everyone else is. ;)

[–]fjafjan 12 points13 points ago

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I'm a straight white man, I assume everyone else is ;)

[–]IDriveAVan 6 points7 points ago

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This must be confusing for your wife/girlfriend.

[–]BigMikeBigm 1 point2 points ago

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I manage my money like Pat Robertson. I assume everyone else does.;)

[–]jmblur 1 point2 points ago

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My mk6 GTI begs to differ. sure you can't get a brand new loaded BMW, but there are PLENTY of great cars available for less, and a ton when you consider the used market.

That said - if I'm selling out, I demand at LEAST a new M3.

[–]nvrnde4lfe 1 point2 points ago

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I think if you sell your soul for 35,000 your doing it all wrong.

[–]jredbone 5 points6 points ago

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that's on the books, the real money is given off the books

[–]erikmyxter 20 points21 points ago

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See he is charitable! Giving money to those poor attorney generals

[–]sqfreak 25 points26 points ago

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See he is charitable! Giving money to those poor attorneys general

FTFY.

[–]diamond 4 points5 points ago

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In 1999 the Virginia Office of Consumer Affairs called for criminal persecution of Robertson

I don't think that's the word you meant to use. Though I'm sure that's how Pat's supporters see it...

[–]Daemonax 9 points10 points ago

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Citation? It would be interesting to read more about that.

[–]mthrfkn 31 points32 points ago

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[–]dr_spork 5 points6 points ago

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I have one question for the "Reverend" Pat Robertson: Just who made a pact with the Devil?

Oh snap! He just got told.

[–]Daemonax 2 points3 points ago

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Awesome thank you!

[–]foureyedphantasm 6 points7 points ago

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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I'm pretty sure he meant the diamond mine thing

[–]dr_spork 3 points4 points ago

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although you have to admit, foureyedphantasm's link isn't entirely irrelevant.

[–]SmoothWD40 1 point2 points ago

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There is some seriously scary stuff in there. ::runs and hides under a bed::

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Oh, don't forget Mobuto Sese Seko, too. Seko was a christian, and involved in diamond mining, and so, in order to make sure that the Christian armies that Seko was funding were working, he was shipping diamond mining equipment to them too. Funding wars, making big money doing it. This is not only well known, it's universally known and documented at the U.N. He was flying through U.N. sanctions. Smuggling, as many would say.

Pat Roberston, conflict diamond smuggler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blessing_International

[–]MagType 2 points3 points ago

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ok...but while I think Pat is a first class douche, I want to see evidence of him actually utilising slave labour. I live in Africa...so it's a bit of a sticking point with me when all mining in Africa is attributed to slave labour (and all diamonds are seen as blood diamonds).

[–]johnflux 10 points11 points ago

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[–]StapleGun 2 points3 points ago

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Doesn't say anything about slave labor, but according to Wikipedia in 1994:

"Robertson used his Operation Blessing planes to haul diamond-mining equipment to Robertson's mines in Liberia, despite the fact that Robertson was telling his 700 Club viewers that the planes were sending relief supplies to the victims of the genocide in Rwanda."

Doesn't get much worse than that.

[–]uncleawesome 7 points8 points ago

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Just Google it or look thru his Wikipedia page. One of the things he did was use his companies airplanes to fly mining equipment while telling his members it was flying relief supplies.

[–]Nefilim777 9 points10 points ago

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Yeah but, like, if Jesus isn't real, then who wrote the Bible?

[–]Dennovin 11 points12 points ago

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This guy... Steve. You don't know him. He lives in Canada.

[–]Nefilim777 1 point2 points ago

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Might try and get an autograph.

[–]jairzinho 1 point2 points ago

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random Greek dudes

[–]anagramgoeshere 1 point2 points ago

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Nope, it was Stan Lee...oh shit, wait, he's one of the random Greek dudes. Carry on then.

[–]joeyjoejo1200 1 point2 points ago

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No, he's a random GEEK dude.

[–]CoffeeIs4Closers 1 point2 points ago

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Biff, Christ's childhood pal.

[–][deleted] 203 points204 points ago

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To be fair, there are probably plenty of Christians who also think that Pat Robertson is an asswipe.

[–]AustinTreeLover 27 points28 points ago

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I live in Texas. Here it is very common to hear the expression, "He's a good Christian man" or "It's a Christian thing to do". The implication is that you have to be a Christian to do good things.

Also, the number one question I'm asked here when it comes out that I'm an atheist, is, "So do you have morals?"

It may be true that plenty of Christians think he's an asswipe, but not the ones around here. They believe Christian = Good Person. I think it's referring to those guys.

[–]ChocoDoco 4 points5 points ago

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I always thought Christians believed Athiests were going to hell, not that they were less moral or moral-less. I also think calling someone a good Christian man/woman just implied that they hold the same "moral standards"/ideals/beliefs/etc. as every other Christian. But, I can totally see what you're saying... never thought about that...kind of scary.

Plus, he is an asswipe and he doesn't tip servers. He is homophobic, hateful and disgustingly (and tax free) rich. Which I would say was not very moral, but what do I know?

[–]infamous-spaceman 77 points78 points ago

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I think its less about the fact the Christians think hes an ass wipe and more about the fact many claim that atheists can't have morals without God.

[–]adrift98 26 points27 points ago

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That's not the claim. The claim is that there can be no such thing as "objective" morality without a higher authority. Christians believe that regardless what atheists think on the subject, objective morality does exist and that atheists themselves usually hold to objective morality whether they acknowledge it or not. Many atheists agree that they are moral, but believe that their morality is rooted in subjectivity (based on the whims of society).

[–]--Questionable-- 10 points11 points ago

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I believe this was debated between Socrates and Euthyphro. The conclusion was that not even the wise Euthyphro knew what it meant to be pious and good according to the gods.

Ultimately, morality (be it objective or subjective) is rooted on the whims of society. Example: 500 years ago, slavery was considered normal by everybody. Today, even the most die-hard evangelical crazies would agree that slavery is an immoral act.

[–]l3gato 7 points8 points ago

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500 years ago, slavery was considered normal by everybody.

No. Slavery was a contentious topic then, as well. For example:

"At the behest of Dominican priest Bartolomé de las Casas, who was shocked at the treatment of natives in the new world, Spain enacted the first European law abolishing colonial slavery in the 16th century" -- Abolitionism

There are several other examples of influential, abolitionist religious and political leaders in the 16th century as well.

[–]--Questionable-- 4 points5 points ago

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Ok, well 500 was just a number I threw out there. Let's say 1500 years.

[–]jedisparrow7 1 point2 points ago

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More accurate to say the "context" of society, than conscious whims. Of course that subjective morality is also influenced by the "objective" moralities of the culturally dominant religion at the time be it Christianity, Islam or, if you're in Hollywood, Scientology.

[–]NotClever 1 point2 points ago

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I dunno, there are plenty of Christians that find it hard to understand why we don't go around stealing and raping and murdering if we don't believe there is a god to answer to.

[–]OffColorCommentary 152 points153 points ago

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To be fair

Where do you think we are, /r/reasonablediscorse? ಠ_ಠ

[–]casual_sects 28 points29 points ago

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Shame about the spelling, but upvoted.

[–]MagType 2 points3 points ago*

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you spell it /r/reasonablediscourse (you left out the u)

and ...um... "there doesn't seem to be anything here"

EDIT : ok ....the badly spelled one now DOES exist and OddSubredditMaker just made me a moderator. Aren't I lucky.

[–]set123 12 points13 points ago

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Although there is a /r/reasonablediscussion.

[–]kyookumbah 2 points3 points ago

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Do they only have one going?

[–]set123 1 point2 points ago

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Only one discussion? Well, as you can see it's not a subreddit with a lot of traffic, but maybe eventually it will be a more lively place.

[–]rainemaker 22 points23 points ago

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Christian here, Pat Robertson is an asswipe.

[–]eggbean 5 points6 points ago

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Probably not all those who keep giving him money though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I think he's an asswipe. no wait, a royal asswipe.

[–]mthrfkn 2 points3 points ago

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Yes of course, however he still has a large sphere of influence within the Christian community. The dissenting voice with that community probably isn't as large as the voices that stand up for Robertson when he commits vile actions or says hateful statements.

[–]Sleelin 1 point2 points ago

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Christian here, I think he's an asswipe. That could just be because I'm from Australia though, where we're, on average, slightly more sane.

[–]sirfink 2 points3 points ago

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I don't think Jesus would have been too fond of the guy, either. “But woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, hypocrites that you are!" and etc.

[–]ddrt 71 points72 points ago

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Smart people wear glasses and smile. Evil people look like Mickey Rooney wannabes.

[–]samgrizzy 19 points20 points ago

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Evil people also have solid backed swivel chairs. I assume Robertson has one.

[–]Creaper11 12 points13 points ago

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I'm sitting in one right now. I'll assume this means I'm evil.

[–]StoneMe 7 points8 points ago

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Are you stroking a white Persian cat? - 'cos that would be the clincher.

[–]Creaper11 1 point2 points ago

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I'm afraid not, but I do prefer the company of cats over dogs, and I used to have a pure black one by the name of Vincent.

Efforts are under way to find another.

[–]bwillb 11 points12 points ago

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I wear glasses, smile, look like a Mickey Rooney wannabe, and love solid-back swivel chairs.

Guess that makes me an evil genius.

[–]StoryGopher 1 point2 points ago

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Everytime I hear that name....Its a great big universe and we're all really puny we're just tiny LITTLE specks about the size of Mickey Rooney......

[–]kronecker_delta 60 points61 points ago

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I'm an atheist, but I think it's important to remember that one person's actions does not condemn the whole religion. While being a Christian does not make you a good person, neither does it make you a /more/ terrible person if you happen to be an asshat. He's an ass simply for being an ass, forget about the excuses that he hides behind.

Perhaps I'm bitter because the image looks like the type of political slander we've been seeing every day because of the elections. But I think I'm right to be bitter about that, considering Reddit so strongly supports Jon Stewart.

[–]INTPLibrarian 11 points12 points ago

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The image isn't condemning all Christians. It's pointing out that being Christian and being "good" are not one and the same and that being atheist is not equivalent to being evil or amoral.

The image can't be libel (slander is for transitory statements) if it's true, btw.

[–]Idiomatick 2 points3 points ago

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Statistically speaking.....

Christians ARE more evil than regular folks. Assuming you count violent crime, rape and crime generally as bad things. Just sayin'.

[–]rpxtfree 7 points8 points ago

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"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." by Steven Weinberg

[–]Faryshta 4 points5 points ago

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Without cancer people would still die of something but damn I hope they cure cancer - Me.

[–]Jam-B 1 point2 points ago

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Best statement of the day, thank you sir.

[–]blackstar9000 10 points11 points ago

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That quotations gets thrown about as though it actually proved anything. It doesn't. It's just a reformulation of the premise. It should never be quoted, save as the prelude to a discussion of the evidence in its favor.

[–]rynosoft 1 point2 points ago

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But isn't the point of Christianity to make it's followers "good"?

[–]Blackhalo 1 point2 points ago

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being a Christian does not make you a good person, neither does it make you a /more/ terrible person if you happen to be an asshat. He's an ass simply for being an ass, forget about the excuses that he hides behind.

I would argue that a notorious Christian behaving in an un-Christian manner, is more reprehensible than an atheist doing the same.

[–]wbeavis 3 points4 points ago

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While your point is somewhat valid, Pat Robertson isn't John Q. Christian. He is a "leader". He is a spokesperson. He's a salesman, selling the religion. He aggressively puts himself out there, and condemns those who do not follow his ways. So, yeah, if he is an asswipe then that does reflect on all other Christians. If Christians did not approve of him, then he would not be in the position he holds. After all, they are willingly throwing money at him.

[–]charlie6969 10 points11 points ago

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Except not all Christians throw money at him, listen to him, or support him in any way. So, if you wanted to say that all Christians that donate to him or listen to him; that would reflect on THOSE Christians.

In fact waaaaaaaaay more don't support him than do support him. So, no, unless you are generalizing about all Christians, then you can't say that Pat Robertson's actions reflect on ALL other Christians, well, and be honest, that is.

You can't, honestly, generalize about ALL Christians but you do have a point. Keep going; you're getting there!

[–]senatortruth 3 points4 points ago

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I agree. I believe it is important to also add what others have stated in this thread, that there is a movement afoot that argues that those who are not religious are without morals, or are not "good" people.

The image demonstrates how two atheist, two extremely wealthy atheist, are good or at the very least attempting to be good people and demonstrating an encouraging set of moral values that even some "top level" christians lack.

[–]blackstar9000 1 point2 points ago

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So, yeah, if he is an asswipe then that does reflect on all other Christians.

And we had George W. Bush as president for eight years. That doesn't mean all Americans supported the war or opposed stem cell research. It just means that sometimes groups end up with leaders that don't really reflect their interests.

The difference being that we actually elected Bush. Twice.

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[–]bwillb 6 points7 points ago

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evangellin like a fellon

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

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More like EVENHELLICAL amirite?

[–]Sarkos 19 points20 points ago

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More like BLEEDINGGENITAL amirite?

[–]E-MO 2 points3 points ago

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Merph lork HELENKELLERCAL urmph i rork?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Also, "to tragic" instead of "so tragic".

[–]snerfman88 82 points83 points ago

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On another note, the world's richest man, Carlos Slim, runs a monopoly on telephone landlines in Mexico, and donates little to charity. He's Catholic, by the way.

[–]Shufimafi 39 points40 points ago

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Actually, Slim's giving his wealth away!. Religious belief and philanthropy are not mutually exclusive.

[–]Faryshta 11 points12 points ago

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As a mexican I call bullshit. He is spending more in publicity for his charity work than in actual charity.

[–]mthrfkn 20 points21 points ago

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Political motivation, reminds me of the Koch brothers.

[–]Gro-Tsen 16 points17 points ago

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More recently, he seems to have been less keen on charity.

[–]andash 4 points5 points ago

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But at the same time, he seems to be more keen on logic:

“There is a saying that we should leave a better country to our children. But it’s more important to leave better children to our country.”

And his previous actions are not exactly insignificant:

Now Mr. Slim isn’t un-charitable. He has contributed hundreds of millions of dollars to his foundation and has funded millions of dollars in joint-venture projects with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

There are quite many people in for example African countries that question charity.

[–]chemistry_teacher 1 point2 points ago

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He is probably as Catholic as Gates is Congregationalist Protestant (he grew in such a family) or Buffett is Presbyterian (he has raised in that environment, but has since professed to be agnostic).

[–]davidlovessarah 1 point2 points ago

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Not only does he "donate little to charity" he is outright against charity.

[–]Redditor_Forever 20 points21 points ago

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too*

[–]cannabyss 7 points8 points ago

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Or perhaps s/to/so?

[–]sokpuppet1 5 points6 points ago

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Hey, here's an idea. We'll select two insanely rich people and hold them up as examples of the awesome generosity of atheists. Now we'll select one insane wackjob and hold him up as an example of all religious people.

Using Pat Robertson in any argument is pretty much just as bad as using Hitler in any argument. It just undermines the point you're trying to make.

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[–]BlackLeatherRain 10 points11 points ago

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It's a verifiable fact that diamonds, much like fossils, were planted in the ground by Satan to test the faith of god's chosen. The fossils are there to make people doubt that the world wasn't created 6,000 years ago, and diamonds are there to tempt man's greed.

In other news, Satan invented the Twinkie, but God invented the Ho Ho.

[–]unklemonkey 9 points10 points ago

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Well obviously Pat Robertson can't donate to the church because he IS the church! ...D'uh

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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Warren Buffet spent that last 1% on buying Africa to free the diamond mine slaves. He's the African Abe Lincoln.

[–]wolfzalin 1 point2 points ago

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So he doesn't REALLY free the African slaves, just declares that they should be free, but still thinks that they are less then human?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Exactly, but a couple hundred years from now, he's going to be a saint and everyone is going to attribute anything clever, smart, or profound as a quote of his. (Or anything else for that matter)

"Happy Birthday!" - Warren Buffet, 2010

[–]wolfzalin 1 point2 points ago

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"Where are my keys?" - Warren Buffet, 2010

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"Lets go to The Olive Garden." - Warren Buffet, 2010

[–]fklgz 2 points3 points ago

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"Hey, I ran out of toilet paper!" -Warren buffet, 2010

[–]disc0ver 5 points6 points ago

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If there is a god, all 3 are going to hell.

[–]l3gato 1 point2 points ago

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If there is a god, and that god closely resembles the Christian god, and if there is a hell, and if you can really go there for certain bad acts, and what these men have done will be perceived by that god as bad acts, then all 3 might be going to hell.

To paraphrase Firefly's Jayne: I smell a lot of if.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points ago

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Science damn it, I meant to type "so tragic."

[–]timothyjwood 64 points65 points ago

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Science damn it

really? i mean...really?

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points ago

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If anything, swearing in god's name makes us less religious! Aren't Christians not supposed to do that?

Frankly, I love shouting "JESUS FUCKING ASSRAPE CHRIST" every time I stub my toe.

[–]moonbeaver 78 points79 points ago

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Assrape would be pro-catholic though.

[–]Warpedme 1 point2 points ago

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I think it would have to be child assrape for it to be catholic.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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One of my personal favorites is "MOTHER FUCKER MARY OF GOD." I yelled it once while driving after narrowly avoiding a major accident and it's sort of stuck

[–]TriumphantTumbleweed 4 points5 points ago

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I somehow started yelling "JESUS TAPDANCING ALL OVER CHRIST" all the time. Too much South Park I suppose.

[–]soyabstemio 4 points5 points ago

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Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ and his black bastard brother Harry!

A variation on something from Illuminatus.

[–]DeepestBlue 5 points6 points ago

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Holy Goatfucking Jesus! Hit my hip on a car mirror while walking through a car park and that just spurted out of me. Lady near by gave me a look of disapproval.

[–]IConrad 1 point2 points ago

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Thing is, whenever I see that line... I always think of Portal.

[–]timothyjwood 1 point2 points ago

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I prefer "Jesus titty fucking Christ"

[–]hc5duke 8 points9 points ago

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I guess you guys don't watch South Park much?

[–]sciencebepraised 2 points3 points ago

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Speak for yourself.

[–]sgspectra 1 point2 points ago

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Science H Logic

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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We have here an ideologue...

[–]phoenixankit 5 points6 points ago

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I agree that's really forced.

[–]prium 12 points13 points ago

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Also from a south park episode though.

[–]Atario 3 points4 points ago

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Also, you meant to type "evangelical".

[–]tinkthank 1 point2 points ago

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As much as I dislike Pat Robertson. This is a bad example and borders propaganda. You could have named many other famous Christians that are charitable and give a shitload of money to charity.

Its just as easy to use the example of another individual (corporate CEOs) that don't believe in a god but also use slave labor to gain wealth and power and give nothing back in charity.

[–]iamamemeama 12 points13 points ago

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I hate how Bill Gates is set to become the biggest benefactor of our times, yet people who spell Microsoft as M$, are on the fence about him being a good guy.

[–]NukeThePope 33 points34 points ago*

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The issue isn't black and white. Microsoft became big and powerful and wealthy by means of predatory and sometimes outright illegal business practices. In the course of propping up their de facto monopoly, they have crushed innovative small firms and delayed technological advances; they took away buyers' choices; they bought politicians to influence US law. They also used their monopoly to demand unreasonably high prices. Was it ethical of them to operate with 80% profit margins?

As a developer, I am direly PO'd at what Microsoft has done to the state of browser software and Java. The loss to companies worldwide associated with working around problems intentionally introduced by Microsoft measures in the billions of Dollars.

Having no heirs, what else is Gates going to do with his money? Eat it before he kicks the bucket?

EDIT: Gates has 3 kids. Who knew? GrokMonkey, that's who.

[–]GrokMonkey 20 points21 points ago

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Gates has three children, actually.

[–]iamamemeama 11 points12 points ago

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I think he meant rabbits.

[–]NukeThePope 4 points5 points ago

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Oops! I stand corrected, then.

[–]lonelyinacrowd 4 points5 points ago*

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Not to be a MS fanboi but you seriously can't be suggesting MS damaged the popularisation of personal computing?

Your experience of Microsoft seems to be based on their working practice over the last 10 years (which I admit is often questionable). However you can't forget the 25 years prior to that - which is basically the reason we all have computers.

[–]MarkRand 2 points3 points ago*

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Hmm - a quick search of the internet shows that he isn't perfect: http://www.greenecoservices.com/unethical-investing-by-charities/ for example...

edited to fix link!

[–]BrellK 8 points9 points ago

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At LEAST he's not donating to those devil-pact making people of Haiti. Oh wait, that was just more Pat Robertson delusion. Wow he really IS screwy.

[–]jarrison 12 points13 points ago

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I'm as atheist as you are, but this is a very weak graphic. A sample size of 3 people is not telling of a population. I also find it hard to believe that there aren't some Christians out there who are equally generous.

[–]Adrestea 11 points12 points ago

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It's irrelevant for people who believe most Christians are more charitable than non-Christians for the reasons you mention, but it is at least relevant for anyone who believes that charity or altruism cannot exist at all without religion or that religion makes you automatically more charitable than anyone without it- then you only need one counter example.

[–]Pocahontas92 2 points3 points ago

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The starving kids in Africa must be counting the days until Warren Buffet kicks the bucket so they can finally get a damn sandwich.

[–]massivepanda 2 points3 points ago

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too?

[–]girlxgenius 2 points3 points ago

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it'd be less tragic if evangelical was spelled correctly.

[–]bdelgado 2 points3 points ago

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too

[–]konzahiker 5 points6 points ago

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Why is it we celebrate the philanthropy of the extreme wealthy instead of the philanthropy of the masses who give before they've accumulated great wealth?

[–]longhare 11 points12 points ago

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because they give more money

[–]flaim 4 points5 points ago

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Downvote for bad grammar and spelling.

[–]Nefilim777 8 points9 points ago

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I'm actually convinced that evangelical Christians are pure evil. All the signs are there.

[–]jimjoebob 2 points3 points ago

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hate to be a grammar dick, but I really like this poster, and misspellings detract from its message.

/Evangelical, one "L".

[–]Boyddie 3 points4 points ago

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Let's be honest though, if Bill gates donated $26 billion, is that morally any better than an elderly person on a low pension giving away £2/month to a charity like oxfam? Bill Gates will still have more money than he can actually spend.

And the 3rd richest guy in the world? Even if he gave away 99.99% he will still have far more money than an average person would even see in their whole LIFETIME!

Being good is relative to the situation you are in if you ask me.

[–]fruitblender 1 point2 points ago

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I think this isn't trying to compare Bill Gates to a middle class person or a pensioner, which I agree that it isn't fair because it's not on the same scale. It's comparing the actions of Warren Buffet and Bill Gates to Pat Robertson, and as previously pointed out, that religion isn't needed to have good morals or do good actions.

[–]cometparty 3 points4 points ago

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It's "Evangelical", not "Evangellical". Seriously, can't motherfuckers spell check anymore?

[–]LizzRG 3 points4 points ago

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I'm Christian and deffinitly am not a fan of him. You cannot judge a religion based on a random selection of the people in them. You should base it on the beliefs in their religious texts and what their God says. In the Bible (KJV) it says that we are to be charitable, love others, and act as Jesus would. Most Christians do not follow this, but this is how we're SUPPOSED to act. I donate at least 10% of every paycheck I get, in addition to adding a little extra to certain missions, cancer research, and juvenile diabetes research because those are all organizations that mean a lot to me personally. Don't judge Christianity by those who are simply a part of the religion, judge it by the text and if you MUST judge it by a person (who is, just a sinner) use someone who has a true relationship with God and walks with him on a daily basis.

[–]Psy-Kosh 1 point2 points ago

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Fair enough (partially, see below).

And good for you! (by donating 10%, you mean to stuff like the poor/cancer research/etc, or 10% to your church plus a bit for research/etc... (just so I understand what you meant))

But if we're allowed to judge based on the contents of the bible, well, it is quite easy to find plenty of evil in it. I'd pretty easily say that most believers are vastly more moral than the god they worship.

One other thing: "use someone who has a true relationship with God and walks with him on a daily basis." um... "no true Scotsman"?

How am I to decide that? some people claim to be with god and do good, others claim to be with god and do evil.

[–]troutb3 1 point2 points ago

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Agreed that we shouldn't paint everyone with the same, but that's not the point. The point is that one can act morally (or ethically if you prefer) without believing in a god. Conversely, one can act immorally/unethically while believing in a god.

[–]GodEmperor 1 point2 points ago

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pat robertson reminds me of an orangutan. i think it's the way he sits. and his mind is wholly inadequate by what i hold as human standards.

[–]Meekois 1 point2 points ago

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Gettin a page not found.

[–]joculator 1 point2 points ago

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I think Pat Robertson has given money, time and effort to charitable causes and the other guys aren't necessarily "atheists", so don't get all in a tizzy guys.

[–]RPLLL 1 point2 points ago

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Shouldn't it read, "Pat Robertson is Evil with god?"

[–]Havic54 1 point2 points ago

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I'm going to be pretty bold and dare say that he is not at all what he actually claims to be. John 14:15 - "“If you love me, keep my commands." Straight from the words of Jesus. He is a great example of someone who claims one thing, yet acts in a total contradictory way. He is a pretty public figure and has many eyes watching him, knowing what he believes. He gives christians a bad name, and if you were to only observe him, it's easy to see why so many people think so poorly of people who claim faith. But for his one poor example of what it means to be a christian, I can assure you there are countless others who abound in generosity and act opposite of how Robertson does.

[–]lyons4398 1 point2 points ago

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Pat went to my highschool hahah

[–]ReverendDizzle 1 point2 points ago*

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So I ran a few searches on Robertson. Certainly, I said to myself, as much of a total shit face I think the guy he's had to have used some of that wealth for good.

Do you know how hard it is to find anything (if it even exists) under all the articles and quotes from him denouncing charities and refusing to give money? What a fucker.

On the same note... have any of you ever seen the campus of his christian college? The house and grounds are the size of a Wal-Mart site and there are always security guards outside. Made me sick when I saw it.

[–]fuzzyl0gic 1 point2 points ago

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Is that a Straw man I see?

[–]senatortruth 1 point2 points ago

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I hate Patrick in every sense of the word. With that being said, here's a link to chew on:

http://www.patrobertson.com/humanitarian/

[–]imusuallydrunk 1 point2 points ago

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not a good idea to pick and chose like that - you are taking the best and worst examples. I'm sure a poster can be made with 2 atheists who give away nothing, and 2 christians who gave it all away

[–]cmurdock 1 point2 points ago

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This is kind of off topic, but if you are worth billions and you DIDN'T donate to charity, you'd be a selfish asshole. People tend to over emphasize how much people like Bill Gates give to charity as if it's a huge sacrifice for him to give a small part of his billions of dollars to charity. No saying he's a bad person or that it's not significant, just saying he's not a saint for doing it.

[–]l3gato 1 point2 points ago

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Sure, if by "a small part of his billions" you actually mean well over half his wealth. Yeah, he can more easily afford it than others. That doesn't mean he's obligated to give it away -- it's far more than makes sense as a tax shelter or simple goodwill gesture.

Also, the value of giving to charity is not how much of a sacrifice it is for you, it's how much good you can do with what you have.

[–]olafthebent 1 point2 points ago

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If so many "Christians" think Robertson is an asswipe, why is the fucker still on TV spouting his religinist bullshit.

... what about Oral Roberts

Jimmy Swaggert?

Jim and Tammy?

Do I need to go on?

"Christians" need to police their own fucking house and stop making excuses for these spawns of Satan who purport to represent so many of them.

Where is the outrage if they aren't on Robertson's side?

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I don't understand what this is getting at. One extremist is a bad person, and a bad christian. Two non Christians give a lot of money to charity, which everyone can agree is a good thing.

None of the presented parties are a good representation of the average christian, or the description the new testament gives for what a follower of Christ looks like.

So, considering all of that, exactly what statement is this trying to make?

[–]ElBrad 2 points3 points ago

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that you don't need to believe in a sky-daddy to be a good person.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Buffet is just going to give it away after he's dead because he doesn't want his relatives to have any money. The guy is a creep and treats people without respect, look up stories about it.

[–]Grantiga_Guevara 1 point2 points ago

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Pat also founded Operation Blessing International, which apparently gave food, money, and disaster relief to like 200 million people. What an asswipe.

[–]SoFisticate 1 point2 points ago

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TOO

[–]Magoo2 1 point2 points ago

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Moral outliers do not a cause justify (or, in this case, condemn).

[–]HugDispenser 1 point2 points ago

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To be fair, Warren Buffet pledged 99% of his income after he dies. So there isn't actually a real sacrifice on his part.

[–]AmericanParty 1 point2 points ago

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Can't I be good WITH believing in God?

People are people, some good some bad, regardless of their faith!

[–]SaidAfterIFarted 1 point2 points ago

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Something about this stinks.

[–]unworthyadvocate 1 point2 points ago

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To say there is such a thing as "good" is to appeal to a universal transcendent standard as a basis to discern what is in fact "good."

Without God there is no universal transcendent standard. 

If one person thinks Warren Buffet or Bill Gates philanthropic gifting of billions of dollars is not "good." Is it?

By what standard does one judge good if there is no God? There is none. 

What is left is merely a "good" that is defined by whomever has the most power to enforce their opinion on everyone else (tyranny) or whomever has the most convincing argument from pathos (marketing) or whomever can rally the most numerical support (mob rule) for their definition if "good"

Atheism brings with it a litany of philosophical out-workings that many people fail to consider. I'm not saying people should not have the right to their personal beliefs, but we all should at least consider the whole package before we choose a worldview.

AND...the diamond mine thing DOES sound sketchy...hmmm...

[–]highKyle 1 point2 points ago

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Nerds > Christians

[–]Purp 1 point2 points ago

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Good thing there's never been an uncharitable atheist, or your entire argument would be destroyed.

[–]edwardsa2 1 point2 points ago

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is anyone else bothered by the fact that www.secularsamaritan.com is not a real website?

[–]caster 3 points4 points ago

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This sort of rhetoric will only be effective against idiots..... which is unfortunately its target demographic...... GAHH this is such a nightmare.

A better argument would be that religion is inherently against public works. A common religious trope is how God will give the faithful what they need, and the poor are only poor because they have been bad/sinful.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I know an atheist who beat an 80 year old man to death to get beer money.

[–]TruthNJustice 3 points4 points ago*

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Funny that I have not yet read the words "selection bias." One can easily construct an identical image supporting Christians, Jews or Muslims. Isn't there another link on the front page right now in which a Canadian couple that won +11 million dollars in lottery decided to donate everything to various organizations, incl. churches? I bet they're christians.

Furthermore, just because some of the wealthiest men are atheists does not make the point any more valid.

[–]Psy-Kosh 1 point2 points ago

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Fair enough... though it does show that it is possible to be good without god, and possible to be evil with god.

[–]dooglies 4 points5 points ago

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Should have read "A cruel heartless man with god." or something.

[–]LordKarnov42 11 points12 points ago

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Be honest, he would be selling Magic Crystals or something without God to make him money.

[–]CantBelieveItsButter 2 points3 points ago

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couldn't have said it better

[–]Diabolitio 3 points4 points ago

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Warren and Bill also don't molest children.

So, ya know, they have that goin' for them.

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[–]steelydaniel 1 point2 points ago

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"donated almost nothing" is a specious and vague claim. Citation?