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[–]9bit 15 points16 points ago

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Carnivore?
Chances are you dont need some wimpy apostrophe.

[–]drewantarctic 164 points165 points ago

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i am a vegan and although i rarely talk about diet i do want to point out a common misconception that many meat eaters have. most of us (vegans) are not jerks and a lot of us don't discuss our diets at all. however in doing so, many meat eaters have probably met more vegans than realized but only label the ones who preach or talk at all as assholes. sometimes any kind of dietary talk is considered preachy by overly sensitive omnivores.

with reference to this post, vegans and vegetarians do tend to need support groups. my dietary choices are constantly assailed at barbeques, family events and social get-togethers when people see my tray of food. ironically they rally in groups and act like the supposed vegan stereotype they so fervently rail against while i keep my mouth shut. i dont care why people do it, but regardless, it is tough sometimes when you are first starting out. having friends around who can support you in a similar cause is important when doing something out of the ordinary. so i commend a little atypical get together when so many practice the typical.

[–]jetguy68 200 points201 points ago*

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with reference to this post, vegans and vegetarians do tend to need support groups.

I think everybody here is missing the point of this poster.

  1. In America (the fine print shows it's in Columbus), about twice as many women as men are vegetarian/vegan -- filter out most men
  2. Since it's advertising for vegans, you're not going to get obese people who eat at McD's every day -- filter out fatties
  3. Who's in Columbus? People who are in the midwest permanently, and people there temporarily (i.e., college students) -- guess which category the vegans belong to
  4. You're showing you have something in common with them from the start
  5. Finally, what are you going to do at a food-based meetup group? Share food -- a prelude to romantic relationships, if I ever saw one

This sign is essentially saying "physically attractive college-age women of Columbus, I am a sensitive guy who has something in common with you, so come over and let me cook dinner for you". I'm happy for t-rex (I guess he has a bunch of wolf t-shirts?), but vegan-meetup guy knows exactly what he's doing.

[–]adrianmonk 16 points17 points ago

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Since it's advertising for vegans, you're not going to get obese people

Being overweight and being obese is probably less prevalent among vegetarians and vegans, but it's still certainly possible. Many people become vegetarians for health reasons, but some people become vegetarians for moral reasons and still continue to love to eat food. I have one friend (who isn't particularly overweight but isn't thin either) who's a vegetarian but still loves his burgers (veggie patties with lots of cheese and veggie bacon), fries, pizza, Mountain Dew, etc.

[–]gfxlonghorn 44 points45 points ago*

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6 . In essence, a flyer for a vegan support group is basically a subtle way of saying no fatties.

Side note: What the fuck reddit, I typed in "6." and it automatically changed it to "1."

[–]MercurialMadnessMan 8 points9 points ago

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6\.

[–]gfxlonghorn 5 points6 points ago

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Thanks

[–]bastardsofyoung 4 points5 points ago

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I know a few chubby vegans. The trick is non-stop snacking.

At least they ride bikes everywhere.

[–]CFHQYH 4 points5 points ago

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I don't see too many attractive college aged women, mostly permanent residents. I do know a few attractive college age women in Columbus, but none seem to be in this group. I'd suggest the OSU club for that. I agree completely that the situation has great theoretical potential though.

[–]twowheels 39 points40 points ago*

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It's amazing how frequently I have to defend my food choices. I'd never have to say a word about it if not in defense against derision.

Edit: Another potential use for support groups is to help find sources for ingredients. Many ingredients of vegan/vegetarian cooking are foreign to most people and difficult to find.

[–]Beachcoma[!] 3 points4 points ago

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my dietary choices are constantly assailed at barbeques, family events and social get-togethers when people see my tray of food.

I just tell them I'm watching my meat intake because the doctor says I've got an elevated risk of getting gout (or insert some other health concern). Usually that ends all further discussion on the subject matter. Another defense I might use is that I'll say I tend to get lethargic after eating meat.

But I can't say I can completely relate to you, because I'm not really a vegan. I just prefer to eat vegetarian dishes where available.

[–]redwall_hp 3 points4 points ago

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Hey, sounds like the persecution of Mac users, doesn't it?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points ago

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Omnivore more than carnivore, really.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

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Yes, most meat-eaters also eat large amounts of high fructose corn syrup.

[–]Bennifer 54 points55 points ago

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So, I was at this party Saturday night and I was having an argument about which is optimal, a plant based diet or a typical diet that includes meat. The argument was very friendly until another guy got wind of the topic. He turned to me and asked me if I believed in survival of the fittest. I said, not really, but go ahead with your example. He said that those who eat meat grow more muscle and are more fit. I said, ok. He then asked me how long it would take me to run 3-miles. I estimated and said 20 minutes. At this point he got quite upset, saying I'm going to smack someone. He left the group for a while, and he approached some of his other buddies at the party. I overheard him say, "this guy over here thinks vegetarians are superior to us". At this point, three guys approached me and asked me, "Why are you messing with a fellow marine?" I said I wasn't, we were just having a debate. They replied, "I think you need to leave." I added that I appologized if I offended anyone. They then said, "Okay, then just walk out the fucking door. You're flirting with all the girls." At this point, realizing that my safety was threatened, turned and left the party which at that point turned to silence.

[–]underdog138 13 points14 points ago*

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Not to detract from your story (because it's relevant), but all I heard near the end was blah blah blah alpha males blah blah blah stupid jarheads blah blah blah douchebags blah blah blah future cops blah blah blah over-inflated sense of entitlement blah blah blah.

My little-man syndrome sort of clouded the issue for me there. Sorry to get off subject.

[–]cymbalrush 2 points3 points ago

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And the marine doesn't even understand survival of the fittest.

[–]unknown_lamer 2 points3 points ago

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You should have said... about 20 minutes, in combat boots. One up the marine bastards who don't even have to run in boots (I was bothered when I learned that the fitness exam involves running in sneakers... last I checked you'd be running in combat boots in ... combat).

I tend to deal with blockheads like this using my terrifying beard and kilt powers.

[–]anothernut 28 points29 points ago

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Generally speaking, majorities don't need support groups for being... well, in the majority.

[–]kuhawk5 9 points10 points ago

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Christianity is the biggest religion in the United States. What do you consider church?

[–]bmdan 2 points3 points ago

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There's a difference between a support group and a community center.

[–]PuP5 5 points6 points ago

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it's always interesting to see what reddit is uptight about.

[–]bigbopalop 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah, something about blatant discrimination just irritates us I guess.

[–]quitesonew 97 points98 points ago

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This is stupid. I don't understand why everyone on Reddit is on vegans' case all of a sudden.

I'm a vegan, because I know about factory farming practices. Do you? Are you okay with them? If more people were aware of these practices, more people would be vegan. Even now, some people just choose to remain ignorant so they can continue to eat however they want.

I'm not some crazy lunatic who's going to send Obama a humane fly catcher. I don't believe eating animals is wrong. I don't even believe hunting is wrong. I just don't approve of the way animals are treated in factory farms in America. If they weren't horribly mistreated and made to suffer, I wouldn't be vegan.

I made a personal decision to stick with my convictions and not contribute to a system that I think is cruel and inhumane. I don't yell at people about it, I don't hand out flyers, I don't believe all meat-eaters are going to some made-up hell-type place (I'm also an atheist), so why make fun of something which is so obviously a personal, conscientious choice for so many?

Do I deserve to be ridiculed because I have made a conscious decision to do what I can to reduce the suffering of my fellow animals? I don't think so, but thanks for being so respectful about your disdain for views dissimilar to your own.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

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I'm with you on so many issues. I'm vegan for the same reasons are very rarely meet someone who is similar. However, I disagree with you on one thing. I found this to be pretty funny.

[–]temp_account 4 points5 points ago*

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Really well said.

I think what a lot of vegans/vegetarians don't like is that animals are treated like resources, when instead they should be treated as intelligent, emotional creatures.

When you treat an animal as a resource, it enables some truly awful practices, like bear farming.

[–]numb3rb0y 29 points30 points ago

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Given how progressive the reddit hive mind generally is, I will never understand why it insists on being so childish to those who simply have a different dietary preference. I'd expect this kind of shit from random assholes, not people I usually agree with on a daily basis.

[–]turambar 2 points3 points ago

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Holy shit, a level head!

I just don't approve of the way animals are treated in factory farms in America. If they weren't horribly mistreated and made to suffer, I wouldn't be vegan.

While not a vegan, I try to buy free-range and organic whenever I can. Unfortunately, my city has some rather stringent laws about what animals you can keep, otherwise I'd have invested in a few hens a long time ago.

[–]rsho 2 points3 points ago

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Video: Mike Rowe (from dirty jobs) at Ted talk

Check out this video and let us know if it changes your mind at all.

Sometimes the attention of all this wrong doing is actually detrimental, and contrary to the truth.

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[–]ptangirala 36 points37 points ago

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I love how the carnivores are represented by an animal that is extinct. Awesome indeed.

[–]broohaha 3 points4 points ago

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I don't think I'll ever be a vegetarian, but my diet consists largely of non-meat ingredients. I used to regularly go about 6 out of 7 days without eating meat. It helped that my wife was a vegetarian for awhile.

At some point, she lapsed (she missed sushi and fried chicken) and I ate meat more often, but we're still heavily into eating plant-based meals, and we rarely cook meat at home.

[–]spaceyraygun 12 points13 points ago

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why is it such a bad thing to make a conscious decision not to kill or use animals?

i know some vegans are retarded. so are some non-vegans and everyone else in the world.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points ago

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I eat mostly plants because eating meat is inefficient.

[–]gfxlonghorn 74 points75 points ago

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I'm a vegetarian because I fucking hate plants

Stole that quote from somebody.

[–]scu83 32 points33 points ago*

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A. Whitney Brown.

Exact quote: “I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.”

When I was making sure it was him, I discovered that he also said “I'm not an athiest. How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist? That's way too convoluted for me.”

edited to say that I just realized that the atheism stuff is in the thread above this one, so the second quote is less apropos than I thought.

[–]starphish 3 points4 points ago

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I once worked with a guy who claimed he was vegetarian because he hated animals. He didn't want to have anything to do with them, including eating them.

[–]Zentripetal 48 points49 points ago

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I eat mostly corn because the government subsidizes it to the point that it's in everything whether I like it or not.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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Me too!

[–]skallywagon 12 points13 points ago

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If that's really your main reason for it, you should look into eating rabbit meat. I've heard that they are considered to be the most efficient transformation of plant matter to meat, and they can do it with things that we cant, such as pine bows and grass.

I've been considering raising rabbits for meat myself.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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They also eat their own poo...

which is actually part of why they are so efficient (they are hind gut fermenters, so by eating their poo they get a second chance to absorb nutrients liberated by fermentation)

[–]withnailandI 5 points6 points ago

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Watch out for rabbit starvation though.

[–]12358 2 points3 points ago

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I missed your point. Why should baronsociety eat meat? Why should he convert plant matter to meat before eating it?

[–]Fjordo 3 points4 points ago*

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Because certain plant matter is indigestible by humans, so it's inefficient to not convert it into meat.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago*

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Seriously, I have lots of vegan/vegitarian friends. We don't really give a shit about each other's diets but the biggest pain in the ass is trying to find a restaurant to eat with them at. "Oh, they don't have any good vegitarian food here"... ungh... bullshit your friends don't know you're vegan.

[–]heterogenous 24 points25 points ago

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Sure, 'carnivores' (I think they mean omnivores?) don't need a support group... you just need to convince yourself your lifestyle is acceptable by calling yourself 'awesome' and bashing vegans and vegetarians.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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And all this while they are on their way to pick up their blood pressure pills from their doctor.

[–]OriginalSyn 64 points65 points ago

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I loled but if this were Atheist? and the response being Christian? or whatever reddit would throw a fucking fit.

[–]karmanaut 93 points94 points ago

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If this said "Atheist: chances are you don't need a wimpy support group" then reddit wouldn't throw a fit. The atheism subreddit would probably cream their pants.

[–]OriginalSyn 43 points44 points ago

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It would be one big jerk fest over there.

[–]einsteinonabike 71 points72 points ago

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..how would you describe it's current state?

[–]OriginalSyn 36 points37 points ago

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More so, with eye contact and finishing.

/telling the boss.

[–]einsteinonabike 10 points11 points ago

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Make sure they don't touch.

[–]codyc 9 points10 points ago

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You never make them touch!

[–]Klink-a-dink-dink 5 points6 points ago

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It would be bad. It could cause total protonic reversal.

[–]karmanaut 33 points34 points ago

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.... would be?

[–]huxtiblejones 4 points5 points ago

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I think OriginalSyn meant if the Vegans were Atheists (because they're both minority groups) and the Carnivores were Christians.

[–]CDLTO 29 points30 points ago

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But the Christians are the ones with a support group. It's called church.

[–]hobbers 29 points30 points ago*

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reddit.com/r/atheism ?

[–]MercurialMadnessMan 2 points3 points ago

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Hell, they even give out flyers.

[–]UltraFineFlair 9 points10 points ago

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Totally the same.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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I'm Bob and I'm a Christian.

It's been 2 weeks since my last confession.

"Hi Bob"

[–]shumcal 3 points4 points ago

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[–]nadnate 53 points54 points ago

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What I don't get is that reddit gets in all upset about a cat being abused, but has no problem eating a cow that got tortured way more then that cat.

Should cats get better treatment because they are cute? Yeah, that seems pretty logical.

[–]Huevon 54 points55 points ago

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I agree. I eat meat, but I admit there could be a bit of an ethical contradiction in the fact that I consider myself an animal lover. Considering the fact that humans can meet all their dietary requirements without killing animals, it's hard to justify doing so for the sole reason that it's tasty. That said, I don't know if I'll ever give up meat.

I have fished and hunted and killed animals that I have eaten, always with a twinge of guilt, and with respect for the animal. Many people don't like to dwell on the fact that the nicely packaged pork chop in a supermarket was once a sentient piggie with the intelligence of a dog. If you couldn't personally walk up to that pig and kill it, you probably have no business eating it.

Sorry for the rant, these are just ethical things I struggle to justify. I certainly don't judge anyone for their dietary choices.

[–]stupidis 9 points10 points ago

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Man, your honesty is refreshing. With the greatest of respect, I do hope you continue to struggle with, and rationalise, your position.

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[–]oniony 4 points5 points ago

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Omnivore, surely. Is it even possible for a human to remain healthy on a purely meat diet?

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[–]netactor 2 points3 points ago

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The traditional Inuit diet is largely meat.

[–]jeremybub 3 points4 points ago

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largely

I knew there had to be a catch.

[–]street-knowledge 6 points7 points ago

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Made me think of this.

Discuss.

[–]fallentree 9 points10 points ago

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You might not need a support group but you will need some angioplasty.

[–]miriku 9 points10 points ago

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"heh heh" and all, but seriously, eating less meat will help your health and the environment.

[–]MercurialMadnessMan 2 points3 points ago

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For the record, I'm upvoting this because I find it funny, not because of my diet.

[–][deleted] 234 points235 points ago

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We're meant to believe that these vegans are non-judgemental? Has anyone ever met a non-judgemental vegan?

[–]Poukinator 115 points116 points ago*

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I meet them all the time. I'm a vegetarian and if you think vegans are judgemental, try going veggie for a few months and see how many folks jump down your throat and tell you off for it when they notice. >(

[–]wtfomg 22 points23 points ago

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Agreed. This kind of entry in general is a good example of that kind of judgement.

Someone says "hey, it may not be good for your heart or the planet to be eating that bac-" "BULL FUCKING SHIT BACON CURED MY AIDS"

Maybe not that extreme, but for someone to go through all that effort to say vegans are stupid is pretty annoying.

[–]Psynaut 103 points104 points ago*

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Agreed, I have been vegetarian for 12 years. I never bring it up unless asked, and never try to convert anyone, because I really don't care what anyone else does, or thinks, so it is irrelevant.

However, at least 2/3rds of the people who find out make it their personal mission to try to get me to eat meat. It is especially annoying because I hate talking about being vegetarian; every conversation is the same and after 12-years I have no desire to discuss it at all. If I stay up late and am tired one day, I am told I need to eat meat. If I work out and run alot and my muscles are sore, I am told I need to eat meat, never mind the fact that I am healthier and stronger than any of the people giving me advice.

What usually shuts people up for good is when they find out I am 46, because almost universally everyone thinks I look 10-years younger than that. they ask me how I look so young, and I say I eat a healthy diet.

[–]Poukinator 87 points88 points ago*

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My favourite is people who, fully knowing that I teach university level biology classes, start telling me that you just can't get enough protein without eating meat. :P

Then again, I guess I get to have my revenge when I launch into a mini-lecture on the primary structure of proteins, their function in cells, and amino acid distributions in plants, animals, and animal products. Usually the eyes are bulging by the time I get to discussing methionine and corn... ;)))

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[–]Poukinator 6 points7 points ago

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Sorry dude. I'm a lady so I don't have that issue.

[–]drpants 2 points3 points ago

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Maybe you could explain this lecture. I would like to have something for my meat friends when they give me crap.

[–]wingedgopher 18 points19 points ago*

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For another example, take a look at Joan Jett.

I get the same thing. There's a lot of disinformation out there about vegetarianism and veganism. Flying in the face of everybody who tells me that I need to eat a cheeseburger because I'm too thin, I've actually gained weight since I stopped eating meat and fish; it's just lean muscle mass rather than fat. I have more energy and my acid reflux has gone away too. Still, every time I see my dad or one of my friends, they try to taunt me with a ham sandwich, as if something like that even smells appealing anymore.

Most people have no idea, though. They usually only find out when I tell them that I can't eat any of the chicken fingers they made.

[–]christiancrusader 15 points16 points ago

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Agreed, I have been Christian for 12 years. I never bring it up unless asked, and never try to convert anyone, because I really don't care what anyone else does, or thinks, so it is irrelevant.

However, at least 2/3rds of the people who find out make it their personal mission to try to get me to give up religion. It is especially annoying because I hate talking about religion; every conversation is the same and after 12-years I have no desire to discuss it at all. If I stay up late and am tired one day, I am told I need to give up religion. If I want to go out and party and have a beer, I am told I need to give up religion, never mind the fact that I get out more and have much more fun than any of the people giving me advice.

What usually shuts people up for good is when they find out I have a 46" dick, because almost universally everyone thinks dicks top out at 10". they ask me how I have such a large dick, and I say God has blessed me.

[–]lowtolerance 46 points47 points ago

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I'm a vegetarian too, and I find it a bit odd that people on the internet are so quick to attack others for their choice of diet. In real life, people are mostly just surprised and perhaps a bit curious.

[–]gumption 38 points39 points ago

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Really? I don't think it's that odd...the relative anonymity makes the internet an ideal place for people to lash out about this stuff. It's kind of like calling everyone on your morning commute a motherfucker from the safety of your car. Not that I'd ever do that!

...Motherfucker.

[–]drewantarctic 741 points742 points ago

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me and a ton of my friends fit into that category. i think the problem with your assessment is that you would never be able to tell a non-judgemental vegan because they keep their mouths shut.

[–]tizz66 656 points657 points ago

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I'm going to open the can of worms and say the same is true of religious people too. Too often we equate religious with crazy, because the crazy ones are always shouting about it. You don't hear from the millions that keep it a private, individual matter and who don't feel the need to tell everyone. In fact, I think this can apply to just about any section of society.

[–]gorbachev 171 points172 points ago

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Probably. I suppose there's a bias in our perceptions, since we only hear the loud people and the loud people are usually the most obnoxious people.

[–]deflective 294 points295 points ago

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i hear you

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points ago

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I love oneupmanship.

[–]oneupmanship 187 points188 points ago

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♥♥♥ I love you too. ♥♥♥

[–]wolfeater 28 points29 points ago

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The rule of reddit: If a reference is made to a non-existent username, that username will be made.

[–]anonexistentusername 58 points59 points ago

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So true.

[–]sotrue 67 points68 points ago

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What?

[–]PPSF 59 points60 points ago*

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It's a phenomnomnom* that I think they call the 'vocal minority'.

[–]IkoIkoComic 47 points48 points ago

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Yeah, well you know what, FUCK YOU, BUDDY! I have had ENOUGH with your INTERNET TALKING, and your BIG WORDS, and your SMALL, CONFUSING WORDS.

[–]closeface 16 points17 points ago

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The squeaky wheel gets the grease...

[–]xakh 42 points43 points ago

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The Squeaky wheel gets replaced by a wheel that doesn't squeak.

[–]KittyMonster 34 points35 points ago

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That's kind of disturbing when applied to humans...

[–]lloydxmas 40 points41 points ago

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Boys, I think I just heard another squeak.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

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Wha? Me? No! I didn't say anyth-

[–]the_argus 5 points6 points ago

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J.F.K. blown away. What else do I have to say?

[–]smoknjuan 3 points4 points ago

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I like to run the squeaky wheel extra hard until it seizes and falls off so the problem is easier to pinpoint and repair. Hanging your head out of a moving car to find a squeak is just plain dangerous.

[–]ShawnGupta 3 points4 points ago*

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I think the offical idiom is "the tallest peg gets hammered down first." Or "The biggest juggs get motorboated first."

[–]porcuswallabee 2 points3 points ago

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I think it's called the availability bias. We can recall more sensational events better which gives us the perception that these events happen more often than naught.

[–]leshiy 16 points17 points ago

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AAAA WORMS!

[–]Foxhound199 22 points23 points ago

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Could the same be said for atheists? The submissions on the atheist subreddit befuddle me with how much more they care about religion than the average Christian.

[–]judgej2 20 points21 points ago

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Again, the atheist subreddit is just a collection of atheists who love to rant and rage about themselves, and down-mod religious comments as a kind of 'sport'. I don't believe they represent the majority of atheists, nor do they seem (on the whole) particularly mature about their views. Just angry people looking for a club to belong to, I guess.

[–]forevererratic 6 points7 points ago

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they don't represent me, in fact they are as shudder-inducing to me as many religious crazies

[–]barkingllama 2 points3 points ago

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down-mod religious comments as a kind of 'sport'.

The atheist subreddit is a comment-karma black hole.

[–]daelin 2 points3 points ago

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The atheist subreddit is full of exactly the sort of crazy you describe. There are a lot of rebellious newbies, and it's full of teenage bile and angst. I used to subscribe to it for the occasional insightful article, witty video from a biologist, or Jesus riding a raptor. It was just too much noise.

[–]forevergotshorter 16 points17 points ago

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I accept your statement as the truth for the large majority of sections of society, including a lot of different religions. But growing up Christian I fought myself over this point pretty often. If I really, truly believed that everyone who didn't believe in Jesus Christ would go to hell and if I could just maybe get them to believe then they would go to heaven I don't see how you could ever face your conscience if you weren't devoting every waking moment to converting others.

Because of this I believe that most of the religious people not shouting about it everyday must have pretty significant doubts. If they were totally confident in their belief system then they would be the crazy ones for sacrificing innumerable lives for not sharing the word of god. If they actually believe that the belief in Jesus would save them, then the only ones who aren't crazy are the "crazy" ones.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago*

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Not all Christians believe in the incorrect "fire and brimstone" interpretation of hell. They believe it exists, but it is a separation from God, not the literal lake of fire that many Southern preacher type would want you to believe.

In this case, saving people is a good thing, but not an absolute imperative. Many Christians might also trust God to have a hand in saving as many people as possible, people who will want to be saved, thus they don't need to proselytize as much as possible and instead will be used by God when they are needed.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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Hmm interesting thing, if you had to define hell what would it be? Most people think the fire and brimstone thing, but in reality it's just separation from God, which is what people choose to have. The only reason people think of fire and brimstone is because of the verses that talk about throwing false prophets into a lake of fire. A lot of the modern idea of hell is actually incorrect.

[–]forevergotshorter 2 points3 points ago

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I don't know if the modern idea of hell can actually be incorrect as there isn't necessarily a correct interpretation of hell as far as I'm aware. I try not to let my brain go too wild but there are clearly a lot of awful, awful possibilities one could imagine hell to be.

[–]judgej2 2 points3 points ago

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Hell? You are already here! Mwhaaaaaaaaahhaaaahaha!

[–]bushdid911 39 points40 points ago

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How the fuck did you manage to get 62 upvotes with a statement this sane about religion?

[–]eitce 78 points79 points ago

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Careful use of disclaimer preceding the statement. reddit loves disclaimers

[–]railmaniac 121 points122 points ago

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Disclaimer: There is no actual opinion following this disclaimer.

[–]tizz66 29 points30 points ago

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I said a prayer.

Just kidding.

[–]Mythrilfan 7 points8 points ago

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Just kidding.

Phew!

[–]daninjapan 2 points3 points ago

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mmmm canned worms

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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Don't forget drug users!

[–]S2S2S2S2S2 119 points120 points ago

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Indeed. I've actually experienced the reverse, which goes something like this:

Me: "I'll have a veggie burger, please." (Or some similar, perfunctory way of signaling that I'm choosing to not eat meat, et c.)
Them: "Are you a vegetarian?"
Me: "I'm vegan, yeah."
Them: "Well, I eat meat because I think we have the right to eat meat and you can't tell me what to do!"
Me: "Uh... okay.... ?"

It's like some weird defense mechanism, as they assume that once it's been revealed I'm vegan, I'm going to pounce on them and decry their immorality and poor life choices. I usually say something like this: "It's a personal choice. I don't proselytize." This means you do what you want, I do what I want, which seems pretty intuitive to me. I'm just as annoyed with anti-vegan backlash as all y'all omnivores are with the preachy, hardcore vegans.

Also, that T-Rex posting is pretty damn funny. I laughed. And, what's with the "vegan-curious"? It's not an "eating orientation"!!!

[–]PonziSchemer 53 points54 points ago*

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Yes, this is completely true. Outside of some small, insular college communities, meat-eaters face little in the way of judgment or nastiness from vegans and vegetarians. Actually, considering how strongly some vegetarians and vegans hold their moral beliefs about eating (and that's only some, as the animal rights issue doesn't apply to many vegetarians), it's impressive how many/most of them are about it.

What I see in society more typically is a pre-emptive defensiveness from the meat-eaters, and it often has all the self-righteousness that the worst vegan can muster, PLUS it has stupid, tough-guy, monster truck, might-is-right machismo. Vegans take a LOT more shit from meat-eaters than vice-versa.

That said, the ad is mildly amusing but I suspect it comes from that same sort of pre-emptive defensiveness. And that's not really awesome, it's lame.

BTW, I say this as not only a meat-eater, but a bacon-lover.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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What I see in society more typically is a pre-emptive defensiveness from the meat-eaters

I'm sure that is partly because the moral arguments for eating meat are so much weaker and less compelling than the moral arguments for not eating meat.

[–]Greengages 6 points7 points ago

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And that most people don't kill for their own meat.

[–]neosapience 4 points5 points ago

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Ya, meat is not seen as a dead animal by most people. It's thrown in the shopping cart with everything else we buy and simply considered a staple. If you had to kill everything you ate, there would be a lot more vegetarians.

[–]S2S2S2S2S2 8 points9 points ago

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I sympathize. Bacon was always my favorite. Crunchy, crunchy bacon. Its smell still fills my eyes with wonder, my mouth with water, and my stomach with emptiness. Crunch for me, brother.

[–]Bennifer 21 points22 points ago

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totally agree. i got kicked out of a party for answering honestly some guys question about my diet.

[–]tanger 20 points21 points ago

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did you answer with "BRAIIINNNSSSS!!!!" ?

[–]XoYo 37 points38 points ago

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I think the problem was that the answer was 'GRAIIINNNSSSS!!!!'

[–]joshcandoit4 14 points15 points ago

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I remember when I first went veg, the last question I ever expected was "why?". I totally respect and understand the other viewpoint (omnivorism), and I expected others to just say something like "oh, I see". Instead, it has pretty much become my personality flaw with people, especially people like my girlfriend's dad, as well as my own family. It's almost like they think of me as some weirdo because of a personal and completely logical dietary choice.

[–]Garage_Dragon 2 points3 points ago

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I posted for a vegan-curious encounter on Craigslist a while back. We met in a parking lot and had oral sex, but neither one of us swallowed.

[–]dora_explorer 2 points3 points ago

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because you tasted like meat :(

[–]Salvador_Dali 4 points5 points ago

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I fit in there somewhat myself. Not quite vegan, just a more strict vegertarian, I don't restrict myself religiously if something contains dairy, but I do typically avoid it. And I really do try to avoid eggs. Anywho, I really don't care about anyone else who is eating meat, and I won't judge them differently for it. Typically I don't even mention I'm vegetarian although as you can expect it does come up. I just don't have bumper stickers, advertise it, etcetera.

[–]hobbers 15 points16 points ago

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Could we have a social dinner where I top my steak with strips of bacon and you wouldn't mind?

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points ago

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I personally could not care less what you eat. Enjoy that shit, yo. It's just not for me.

[–]thestuffofthought 8 points9 points ago

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Point of view from a carnivore: "More meat for me."

[–]MasterBob 15 points16 points ago

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Since ... ya know ... there's a shortage of meat around these here parts.

[–]nivvis 10 points11 points ago

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I wouldn't mind and I won't judge, but I'm always willing to talk about factory farming sans lecturing : )

[–]emmster 9 points10 points ago

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Do you feel differently about those of us who only eat free range and ethically raised meat, or is it about taking the life at all?

I respect vegetarians and vegans, but being sensitive to a lot of carbs, and chronically iron deficient, I just can't see it ever working for me.

[–]madmax_br5 13 points14 points ago

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I'm a recently turned vegetarian, I would still eat meat if I was sure of where it came from and how it was raised. Unfortunately, the supermarket labels "free range" and "ethically raised" are usually marketing gimmicks - I can't see any meat produced on a large enough scale to be sold at a super market actually being much better than conventional products. There's a local farm that sometimes sells leg of lamb, along with smoked bacon at our farmer's market. I've been to the farm and have seen them slaughter the animals, and I know it's legit, so I would eat meat from there, but I guess I've lost my taste for it these past few months since I can never bring myself to actually purchase any.

I didn't think I was going to be able to stick with it when I started, but it's been a lot easier than I thought. I've also been a lot more conscious about what foods I eat, being sure to have enough protein (I'm a big guy and work out a lot), carbs, etc. at the right times. I eat a bowl of grape nuts every morning with some berries or sliced bananas, good complex carbs to give you energy and 90% daily iron requirement per serving, but it's in the form of "iron shavings" so i dunno if it's really effective, but I've not had any ill effects thus far, nor have I had a chronic history of deficiency.

Every week or so I make a batch of "superfood" or whatever you want to call it, basically brown rice with a mixture of beans, black lentils, barley, chopped portobello mushrooms, onions, a couple eggs as a binder, and spices. Tons of fiber and complete protein in each serving, it's low in fat, and the carbs are complex and not overwhelming, plus the best part is it only costs about $8 for a week's worth. I roll it into balls and freeze them, then when I'm hungry take one out and toss it into a pan with a little dab of vegetable oil and five minutes later I've got part of lunch or an afternoon snack. I gave my best friend a serving, and he's always giving me shit about going vegetarian, and he said "Dude, this is fucking amazing...with a little salt." :P

[–]grigri 2 points3 points ago

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and he said "Dude, this is fucking amazing...with a little salt." :P

Be honest, what he really said was "Dude, this is fucking amazing...with a little bacon."

I like the sound of your veggie balls though. More complete instructions needed, methinks. Soaking? Cooking? Which spices?

I'm not a veggie, but I love mixed beans and pulses, and I could really see these little things being delish.

[–]madmax_br5 10 points11 points ago*

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Well if you like my veggie balls you'll love my Schweddy balls too...

Jokes aside, thanks for asking, I'd be happy to elaborate. The first time I made this I was trying to make veggie patties, but the consistency ended up not being sufficient for this purpose, although I'm open to ideas (I ultimately determined I didn't need the extra carbs that a bun would add, rendering the "patty" form superfluous). I don't really measure the amounts when I make it, but I can give rough estimates and the proccess is pretty simple. As a caveat, it's not difficult at all, but it does take a few hours (most of it is spent waiting, you just need to be nearby to check on things every 5-10 mins):

  • 1.5 cups brown rice, dry (I use a brown rice, black barley, and daikon seed blend from trader joe's)

  • 2 cups beans, dry (I use a 17 bean & barley mix, also from trader joe's)

  • 1 cup black lentils, dry (other colors would be fine too, the black ones have lots of protein)

  • 2 large, fresh portobello mushrooms, stems removed and diced into small pieces

  • 1 medium white or yellow onion, diced

  • 4-5 cloves garlic, to taste

  • 3 large eggs

EDIT: after eating another portion of my current stock, I realized this also calls for a diced red bell pepper, added with the mushroom and onions.

Method:

Quick-soak the beans by placing them in a pot and cover with 3X their volume in water and bring to a boil. When it boils, remove from the heat and let it sit, covered, for an hour. If you're short on pots, pour everything into a bowl to soak so you can use the pot for something else. You could also just soak the beans in cold water overnight, but I usually forget.

While the beans are soaking, it's time to prepare the rice and lentils. Wash the rice and the lentils in a bowl (not together), pour each into a pan. Cover the rice with a little less than 3X it's volume in water. Cover the lentils with 2X their volume of water, bring both to a boil. Once boiling, reduce heat to a gentle boil and cover. The lentils should take about 15-20 minutes, you want them to be tender but not mushy and falling apart. Undercooking slightly is OK since the balls will have more time on the stove when they are reheated. The rice will take about a half hour. Again, slightly undercooking is OK, but make sure it's not still crunchy.

When the rice and lentils are done, put them into a large mixing bowl and put the whole thing in the fridge to cool. By the time you've done this, the beans can be cooked. Pour them back into the pot (if you've moved them) and add a little more water, a pinch of salt, and 1-2tbsps butter. Bring to a boil, reduce heat to simmer, cover with the top "tilted" allowing steam to escape, and stir occasionally over the course of 45 minutes to an hour - keep tasting the beans and you'll know when they're done. Slight undercooking allowable here as well. You may have to add water at some point if too much boils off. When the beans are done, take the rice/lentils out from the fridge and add the beans. Stir it up good and the whole thing should wind up at room temperature.

Crack the eggs into a bowl and beat them with a fork. Add the spices to the egg. I use chili power, a little salt, cayenne & black pepper, and some cumin and turmeric. You can always add more later if you didn't put in enough the first time around. Hmm I may use garlic salt as well... Add the egg/spice mixture to the bowl and stir it up again. Now dice the onion and the mushrooms, and add those to the bowl. Finely mince the garlic and add that to the bowl, and stir the whole thing up again.

Your pretty much done! The onion and mushrooms cook when you reheat over the stove. In terms of making the balls, I just realized a muffin pan would be excellent - you can just liberally fill each muffin compartment with a "heaping scoop" as they say, and then grab one out and toss it in a pan when you want it. To reheat, I add a dab of oil to a frying pan and heat it up on medium, then just toss the ball in there along with a little splash of water (1-2tbps). Cover it and let it sit for a minute or two, then when you take the cover off, start stirring and the ball should fall apart slowly. From this point just keep things moving in the pan - the whole process takes about 5mins from frozen until done. You want to be sure to brown everything slightly to really bring out the flavors, an extra minute of cooking is never a bad thing.

One batch for me makes about 12 good sized servings. Each one has approx. 230 calories, 40g complex carbs, 14g protein, 12g fiber, less than 2g of fat (a tad more considering the oil for reheating), and is pretty high in natural iron. In fact I'm going to go have some right now :)

[–]phatlikebuddha 3 points4 points ago

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maybe that ... deep fried and wrapped with bacon.

seriously tho, sounds really good.

[–]wtfomg 4 points5 points ago

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I personally totally give you props for that. A big part of the reason I went veg in the first place was the fucked up food industry in this country and the factory farming that is a part of it.

I don't think people eating meat are bad, I don't look back and think I was a bad person when I was doing it.

[–]Stiltskins 7 points8 points ago*

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Any vegetarian with a brain would give you props for doing that. Factory farming is the enemy, not people who actually care how animals are treated.

[–]Poukinator 21 points22 points ago

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No, but you'd never know that it bothers me from the way I behave. I don't think my friends or acquaintances need to hear about that from me and it doesn't change how I feel about them.

[–]ike368 28 points29 points ago

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Similarly, it is fair to expect the courteous omnivore not to joke about the raw-fruit-cake with tofu sauce you're eating.

[–]jebiv 5 points6 points ago

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I'm assuming that you are of the opinion that people oughtn't eat meat, if I am mistaken and it's just something you decided was right for you, then never mind the following comment:

I'm curious about why you feel that way. I understand not being all over people's cases about it, or being annoying about it, or mentioning it frequently when it's obvious they don't want to talk about it. But you don't think your friends need to hear about it at all? If you think veganism would be good for them, then why wouldn't you ever bring it up? If you think that they are doing something harmful, then why wouldn't you at least want to point it out?

[–]Poukinator 31 points32 points ago

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You're right, I do think people oughtn't eat meat.

I suppose I think the topic is so loaded for most people that picking a discussion isn't productive. I prefer to let people come to me with questions, and keep my responses supportive and conscientiously paced so as not to be overwhelming or upsetting. I also like to temp friends with my delicious cooking. ;) Nobody ever complains when they eat veggie at my house. :D

[–]Poukinator 13 points14 points ago*

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I should also add that I think if a person is already dealing with a lot emotionally trying to become a vegetarian at that time might be something they don't need just then. I hope people will make the progression when they are ready to handle it and it's not up to me to determine when that is.

[–]drewantarctic 3 points4 points ago

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absolutely not. i believe every person adopts their own lifetime strategies. who am i to judge? i am just another person.

[–]foxfire_aurora 68 points69 points ago*

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Me! Seriously, most people I know don't realize that I'm vegan - I don't talk about it, because I don't see why people bring up eating habits unless they're sharing food.

EDIT: I suck at English.

[–]yumspinach 58 points59 points ago*

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Same here. I actually try to avoid bringing it up so I don't get lumped in with the ones who like to lecture you about what you're eating.

[–]gfxlonghorn 24 points25 points ago

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People have known me for like 10 years, and never known. It's just something I don't care to tell people. Now I don't mind, because if they give me any shit, I can usually say "and I am still more muscular than you." and they shut up.

[–]relic2279 13 points14 points ago*

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I'm glad you're not lumped into that category.

Just out of curiosity, do you know of anyone who lectures you when you don't eat meat?

That's part of the double standard the original image was poking fun at, and it seems not many people get it.

[–]yumspinach 18 points19 points ago*

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Yes, I've had that happen on more occasions than I can count.

I also had a friend who was on a low carb diet and lectured me for eating potatoes. A lot of people seem to have an unusual fixation with other people's food. It's weird. And annoying.

[–]ElephantRider 15 points16 points ago

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When I was vegan it was almost impossible to make it through a meal at work or with acquaintances without being hassled about it. The best part was that I was always the only vegan they had ever met, yet they would rail on about judgmental asshole vegans.

[–]thrillhouse 11 points12 points ago*

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All the time, especially when I'm eating with friends at a restaurant that specializes in meat dishes (like a BBQ or burger place). I've even had someone purposely try to trick me into eating a regular hot dog at a barbecue. When I called them on it, they berated me for not understanding the food chain and going against nature.

I am also so sick of people telling me about how vitamin deficient/unhealthy/unfulfilled I must be if I'm not eating meat.

[–]wickedcold 8 points9 points ago*

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.....for not understanding the food chain and going against nature.

LoL "Be one with nature! Have a hot dog!"

[–]t-dar 11 points12 points ago

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Just got made fun of at a family gathering recently for not eating meat, wooh!

[–]lief79 7 points8 points ago

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Family doesn't count. They'd easily come up with something else to make fun of you for. That's what too many people consider the purpose of family.

[–]davecole 11 points12 points ago

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I have had people take offense to my not eating meat. The fact that I don't eat meat actually offends them. WTF.

[–]animechristian 21 points22 points ago

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I get lectured and made fun of all the time when I don't eat meat. No one ever lectured me before when I wasn't vegetarian and I avoided raw tomatoes or eggs.

[–]master_gopher 9 points10 points ago

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Yes! People tell me all the time that is is healthier, that is is normal for humans, and also various other versions of ads run by the meat industry that eating lots of meat makes you smarter, etc. Not close friends, though (it would drive me nuts if they did).

[–]foxfire_aurora 7 points8 points ago

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Yes. My family, and the people I live with (randomly assigned housing) both like to give me hell. This is going to make me sound like a pretentious ass, but my family members are generally ignorant, and I've actually given up arguing my side when they bring up ridiculous ideas about veganism, or assume I hold a set of beliefs that is only tangential to my food choice.

[–]joshcandoit4 3 points4 points ago

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I was a meat eater for the first 16 years of my life, and I cannot remember one time a vegetarian lectured me. At the age of 16, I turned veg on my own choice. Trust me, the hardest part of being veg is the constant pressure from people to eat meat, not the no-meat part. If you know a vegetarian (especially a guy, like me), just think back and see if you remember no one belittling him for it. I work at a small Italian joint, and I almost got fired at one point because of my vegetarianism.

[–]gfxlonghorn 8 points9 points ago

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I don't get lectures, but I get a ton of "have you ever even tried it before" or "I can't imagine ever doing that."

So here is what I have started telling people: Imagine if a majority of people in the world drank semen, but you were brought up not drinking semen. It has tons of protein and perhaps we evolved to even ingest semen. Everyone around you drinks semen constantly and questions why you don't enjoy the creamy goodness. STILL, despite anything you could tell me, semen will never be of interest to me. AND that is why I am a vegetarian.

[–]White_Unicorn 6 points7 points ago

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What, suddenly you're too good for semen?

[–]hellafun 10 points11 points ago

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+1 for each of you! You should never mix politics and food.

[–]selectrix 60 points61 points ago

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Unless you're talking about tart reform.

[–]itjitj 2 points3 points ago

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Oh your wit is delicious

[–]yoodle 2 points3 points ago*

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This is the same as my association with atheism.

[–]hess88 2 points3 points ago

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In my experience most Vegans are hippies and they go to farmer's markets.

[–]fietsvrouw 20 points21 points ago

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I don't know - I have been a Vegan for the past 8 years and I never say a word to anyone about what they are eating. My lunch, however, is a topic of conversation every day for some people.

Look at the two signs. The Vegan sign is there to provide a service to other vegans. It doesn't make any value judgment on meat eaters. The carnivore sign serves no purpose than to be judgmental. The evidence speaks for itself.

Now maybe you can explain why other people choosing what they eat based on personal belief bothers you so much.

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I don't give a shit what anyone else eats. Veganism for me is a personal choice, and except when necessary, one that I choose to keep to myself. You wouldn't believe how many people will treat you differently if they know that you're vegan.

[–]Pronell 5 points6 points ago

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Yes, I have. Of course, he was doing it to, in a strange way, test himself. Find his limits, confront his morality, that sort of thing.

As many of the responses here would indicate, being a judgemental asshole isn't likely to be caused by an iron deficiency.

[–]judgej2 3 points4 points ago*

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Would you know or even care to remember if you had met a non-judgemental vegan?

I expect the conversation goes something like:

"Hi, I'm a vegan."

"Think you are better than me do you?"

"Well, if you insist on making me defend myself..."

"Bloody judgemental vegans. Grrrr."

[–]ted3977 22 points23 points ago

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Shifts eyes side to side. Coyly raises hand.

I don't care what you do, so please don't attack me for my choice, especially since it doesn't effect you in any way.

[–]f3nd3r 11 points12 points ago

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Douglas Hofstadter.

[–]tomg555 8 points9 points ago

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My cousin is a vegan but still recommends non-vegan food to me that she thinks looks good. She's usually right.

[–]FANGO 7 points8 points ago

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Yes, I'm sure the "non-judgmental" vegan is far more judgmental than the carnivore who thinks all vegans are "wimpy."

There are two ads here - one of them attacks another group, and the other does not. And you come on here and get 178 votes for picking on the side that wasn't attacking, saying that they are somehow the more judgmental side of this equation?

Something doesn't make sense here.

[–]XJXRXVX 2 points3 points ago

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Your comment was deep-fried in irony before it was submitted. I love it.

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Turn that mirror around, sir. Most vegans I know don't care what other people eat.

[–]Vystril 2 points3 points ago

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Sounds like carnivores are pretty judgmental too.

[–]undimensionalman 2 points3 points ago

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vegans have the right to be just as judgemental as everyone else.

[–]Teekoo 2 points3 points ago

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A Valid point, but on the other hand, I have five fingers.

[–]Jenkin 45 points46 points ago

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All evidence in the picture and these comments points to the non-vegans as being the judgmental, confrontational ones.

That being said, I'm a vegetarian and I'm not going to back down on my principles of not wasting the grain that could otherwise be feeding the huge portion of the world population that goes hungry by instead feeding it to methane-releasing cattle just because some less- socially conscious males like to feel superior to people based on trivial reasons like their diet.

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I have to respectfully disagree with you. There is no shortage of food in the world. The world population goes hungry because the calories are unevenly distributed not because of bio fuel or the 10fold rule. We still throw away large portions of all our food in this country. Modern bio fuel will run on the waste products of agriculture and not take away any food from anyone. What is true is that subsidizing corn leads to overproduction and over consumption of meat. It is cheaper than it would be in a free market and that's a major reason for the high obesity levels in this country. Ethical, environmental and public health reasons can all make a case for consuming less or no meat at all. The world hunger thing doesn't fly though.

[–]raptorjesus 10 points11 points ago*

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As a fellow vegetarian I have to agree with jismprism (lol). The world hunger argument isn't really valid. It's like having to eat all the food on your plate because "there are starving kids in African who would give anything for your leftovers!"

[–]Poukinator 14 points15 points ago

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Mmmn, there actually is some validity to this argument. It's commonly accepted by ecologists that the demand for meat tends to drive up the prices of plant food as well because it requires more land be cultivated, more water be used for irrigation, more chemical fertilizer and more pesticide. This is straight out of Campell & Reece's "Biology: Concepts and Connections" textbook, 5th ed, p.756 "A production pyramid explains why meat is a luxury for humans".

[–]ropers 6 points7 points ago*

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Seriously, I remember a freegan old friend recounting to me how among his former circle the question which among the fructarian, vegan, and ovo-lacto vegetarian dietary conventions was morally defensible had ended in fisticuffs.

Full disclosure: I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian myself.

[–]FANGO 7 points8 points ago

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I felt this same way about vegetarians and vegans when I was an immature highschooler. Glad to see that 2,853 of you are stuck in the same place I've long since moved past.

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